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Who would you rather captain your team 2005-2007? (1 Viewer)
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I don't get it. trick question?
MaddHatter
Footballguy
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what starter or former starter is the worst?That is what the poll says guy.I've been amusing you so far, since you shouldn't have even brought Johnson into the discussion, as he is not a starting QB today. Lets leave it to popular opinion, shall we? Poll coming...2007, Brad Johnson completed just 7 of 11 attempts on the whole year. He started zero games. You can throw that one out. 2006, he started 14 games, 9 tds to 15 ints... Vikes went 6-10. In 2005, he started 9 games, threw 12 TDs to 4 ints. Deemed the "stop gap" savior for the Vikes in 2006, only to look worse than someone attempting to use a passer rating from 11 passing attempts.2007, Grossman seen just 8 starts. His passer rating, as quoted, justifies his horrid performance last year. In 2006, he has a passer rating of 73.9 in a year of lopsided confusion. One week he had a 148 rating, one week he had a 1.3. The Bears still go on to the Super Bowl, thanks to the defense and Rex Grossman managing the ball game. His 2005 passer rating, again, like Johnson's from 2007, doesn't matter due to injuries and starting just 1 game.Brad Johnson QB rating:2005: 88.92005 to now, right? That is what this poll is about.
2006: 72.0
2007: 85.0
Rex Grossman QB rating:
2005: 59.7
2006: 73.9
2007: 66.4
Try again...
So, Johnson had a average half of a season in 2005 and a terrible 2006.
Grossman had an up and down 2006 where he led the Bears to a 13-3 record and Super Bowl, only to follow it up with a terrible 2007.
Maybe "someone" else should try again.
So....
oddball
Smart
Who'd you vote for? Why?
So is the other poll from 2005-2007? I'd still take anyone over Grossman. In that time frame--26 games. 28 Tds, 37 Turnovers, completion % in the mid 50s and a QB rating around 70Johnson--appeared in 25 games. 22 Touchdowns, 26 turnovers. A completion % around 62, and a passing rating around 80. I don't think this is even really a question.Edited to fix typo, grossman sucks.
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DawnBTVS
Footballguy
I chose Brad Johnson for several reasons... This is assuming that we know only their stats prior to 2005.
#1: His lowest completion rate was 59.5% way back in 1994 at age 26 with Minnesota. That means he's consistently throwing accurate balls that are being caught, a trait that my QB MUST have.
#2: Yeah, he's had an up and down career but his ups have been great (4 seasons of 20+ TD with another at 17) and he never threw more than 15 INT except for 2003 with his 21 INT. Overall even at age 37, he'd be one of those QB's who can maybe win a game or two if really necessary but is an ideal "game manager" who won't completely lose a game for you either. Basically, your team has the possibility of being in any game depending on the other facets.
#3: He's a proven veteran who won a Super Bowl. Realistically, and this is crazy on a FF message board, I'd take the guy who's been through the playoffs and won a Super Bowl over a player who at the time is all potential.
Rex had played 6 games between 2003 and 2004 (2 in 2005). Even including up to last year, he's only had 1 year where he's played more than 8 games!
#1: His lowest completion rate was 59.5% way back in 1994 at age 26 with Minnesota. That means he's consistently throwing accurate balls that are being caught, a trait that my QB MUST have.
#2: Yeah, he's had an up and down career but his ups have been great (4 seasons of 20+ TD with another at 17) and he never threw more than 15 INT except for 2003 with his 21 INT. Overall even at age 37, he'd be one of those QB's who can maybe win a game or two if really necessary but is an ideal "game manager" who won't completely lose a game for you either. Basically, your team has the possibility of being in any game depending on the other facets.
#3: He's a proven veteran who won a Super Bowl. Realistically, and this is crazy on a FF message board, I'd take the guy who's been through the playoffs and won a Super Bowl over a player who at the time is all potential.
Rex had played 6 games between 2003 and 2004 (2 in 2005). Even including up to last year, he's only had 1 year where he's played more than 8 games!
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Who would I rather have under center for my team those years? Its not a close question.multiple pro bowls, superbowl winner, proven tested veteran v. rediculous joke of a QB, non-leader who is constantly on the verge of losing his job to Kyle Orton
oddball
Smart
To be completely fair, we shouldn't take into consideration any past pro-bowls, superbowl wins, etc...Only the way they performed from the years 2005 to 2007. Who played better those 3 seasons?
lol...dude...i didnt vote...and i wont...and grossman never lead any team to a 13-3 record...do you watch football?
oddball
Smart
Yeah, I watch football.I want everyone to play be the rules so people who think Grossman is the better pick here won't be able to point to the opinions stated and say "He didn't stay within the rules of the question so his opinion doesn't count."
DawnBTVS
Footballguy
I'd still take Brad Johnson in that case (playing from 2005-2007). I'm taking out 2007 for BJ and 2005 for RG in part due to the low pass attempts from both (each had less than 39 in those seasons).
- 61.9%, 6.32 YPA, 21 TD vs. 19 INT. Averaged 1 INT every 39 throws. Sacked 52 times in 733 PA (7.1%).
Rex
- 54.5%, 6.53 YPA, 27 TD vs. 27 INT. Averaged 1 INT every 26 throws. Sacked 46 times in 705 PA (6.5%).
- 61.9%, 6.32 YPA, 21 TD vs. 19 INT. Averaged 1 INT every 39 throws. Sacked 52 times in 733 PA (7.1%).
Rex
- 54.5%, 6.53 YPA, 27 TD vs. 27 INT. Averaged 1 INT every 26 throws. Sacked 46 times in 705 PA (6.5%).
49erBamBam52
Footballguy
but if i HAD to choose of those two, its not a close call... Johnson by a mile...i know some Bears fans who would rather have Johnson... thats saying alot, considering "sexy" Rex was their "savior" at one point 
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BAM
I went with Johnson only because Grossman was the other option. Brad Johnson's second session as the Vikings' starting QB was masked by his conservative nature especially in the 2005 season when he gained a lot of praise. Johnson managed to have a high passer rating because he only threw short, high percentage passes, no matter the situation. If it was 1st and 10, he would throw it 3 yards downfield. If it was 3rd and 8, he would throw it 5 yards downfield to a receiver who would have to break a tackle to get the first. He "managed" the game well, but the offense was dismal. It was the defense and easy that helped the Vikings go on a long winning streak. In 2006 Johnson was exposed for what he was.
With all that being said, I'd definitely take Johnson over Grossman.
With all that being said, I'd definitely take Johnson over Grossman.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
I'm going to take the question very literally based on the title and go with Johnson. There is a significant chance that either of these QBs isn't going to finish a season in the years we're talking about here. I only trust one of them to be a presence on the team in the event of injury and substitution of the backup. That's Johnson. He's an old and steady hand who I think would contribute to the team even off the field.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Unless the other guy is Ryan Leaf, I'm not picking Grossman. And even then, you'd better be talking about a pro football team. Because if it's college, I'm tempted to go with Leaf.
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