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You are absolutely right. In fact, he's actually #3 right now behind only Clark and Vernon Davis.And Rodgers is over 1.5 ppg ahead of the #2 QB (Brady).Native said:With Daniels injury, Gonzo is actually in the top 4.gianmarco said:Rodgers remains #1Gonzo moving into top 5.
... except he didn't have Rodgers ranked as QB1 on his public rankings, and said he only took him in part to hedge his bets from other leagues. That's revisionist logicgianmarco said:I guess it's just luck that he takes Rodgers as the #1 QB and, lo and behold, he's the #1 QB.Aaron Rudnicki said:
joffer said:i can't believe anyone is still trying to criticize this draft
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There's a lot of lessons to be learned from this exercise, but I suspect the people that should be learning them won't.
John should bump this every Sunday at 1pm.
I'll nitpick here - taking him in the 2nd round is still not such a great pick. Of course there were plenty of worse picks around that time in that draft, so like I said it's a nitpick.
And that's why Aaron keeps bumping in. To prove that the wrong call paid off in the end. Honestly I'm disappointed that a staff member would continue to bump this threadA poker analogy since FF is gambling
Again, why not? Are you nitpicking because he picked Gonzo or are you nitpicking because he went TE? Two different situations.If he's not picking again until the end of the 4th and feels that neither Gonzo or any TE in the same tier is going to be there, then why is it not such a great pick there? He's already stated that gambling that one of the elite TEs would make it that far wasn't something he wanted to do. And, he's already stated that Gonzo is #1 on his board even if others don't have him that high. So again, why is it not such a great pick?
I'm not trying to prove anything. I just was interested in seeing how things turned out and figured others might be as well.I'm still not sure how it was the "wrong call" either.
Except John didn't have Rodgers ranked as the top QB or Gonzo as the top TE. Even if Rodgers finishing #1 overall was not luck, shouldn't we be upset with John for "misleading" us with his public rankings?:devilsadvocate:
The pick is fine with me. But one pick does not make or break a draft.Just more proof that luck and circumstance play a big role, along with gut feelings.Here are a few of the players I drafted:Steve SlatonAnthony GonzalezDerrick WardDavid Garrard (as my QB1)Looks bad, doesn't it?But I'm heading into our playoffs as the #1 overall seed.Gut feelings on other players paid off.Plus a bit of luck.
Wrong.From his very 1st post:
As for Rodgers, he's already stated he had him in the top tier that included Brees and Brady and that they were interchangeable. People want to crucify him for diversification because he owns Brees in other leagues and think that's misleading, have at it. I similarly had AP and MJD as the #1 and #2 RB's this year but same tier. In a given league, I'd take AP over MJD by the slightest of hairs, but if I already owned AP in a couple and didn't own MJD anywhere, I'd take MJD and not think twice about it nor would it go against my personal rankings. Even if I were representing FBG. That point has been hammered to death in this thread already and it's completely ignoring the concept of tiering, especially at the very top when you can flip a coin with a couple elite guys.
Judging by the harsh criticism of those 2 picks, some here do think that one pick can make or break a draft. At the same time, those picks did allow him to vary his strategy a little bit later in the draft that allowed him to "get lucky".
I stand corrected - he did have Gonzalez ranked as TE1 in his rankings on 9/1. Unfortunately, the site doesn't let me pull up the historical rankings, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't TE1 in rankings around the time I started this thread. (In fact, that was one of teh reasons I started it). In any case, I've said all along that I'm ok with the picks and the hedging involved with picking a different guy. At the same time, you can't point at the results to "prove" that they were the right picks. As I said previously in this thread (in response to you, and I've said it repeatedly and you seem to keep ignoring the point):
Regardless of the tier, he thought Brady and Brees and Warner and Manning were going to finish ahead of Rodgers at the time - even if by the slimmest margins and even if he thought they were interchangeable. So, you can't go back now and say "see, he was right for picking Rodgers" when he only selected Rodgers because he already had Brady and Brees on other teams. He thought Rodgers would be comparable, but not better, or else he would have had Rodgers ahead of Brady and Brees. Of course, as I said, this highlights that the rankings tool needs to be improved. I'd really like to see them done by having values assigned to the players, instead of just a straight ordering. In that way, we could see the dropoffs, etc.
Because Gonzo wasn't the best TE available AND he took a TE too early (a superior TE was taken 2 rounds later), he could have waited AND done better. It was a bad pick in 2 ways - he reached and his performance valuation was off.
Why wasn't Gonzo the best TE available? Is it because YOU didn't have him ranked #1? Were your pre-season rankings spot on for every player thus far this year? If not, then YOUR rankings aren't any better than his. He took him as the #1 TE and he's currently the #4 TE. There's absolutely nothing wrong with his performance valuation.Or are you saying he wasn't the best TE because he's not #1? Likewise, should Ray Rice have been the #5 pick overall? Should Vernon Davis have been the #1 TE taken?Finally, sure he COULD have waited and done better. But, when he made those picks, there were going to be 24 more picks made until he went again. So while a similarly ranked TE on HIS rankings may have made it, it's also very possible they didn't and THAT is why he didn't wait. So sorry, but he did not reach. Drafting from that spot necessitates grabbing players a little earlier than from a spot in the middle of the round, but that does not constitute reaching. Likewise, his performance valuation was NOT wrong. 99.9% of the players don't finish in the exact spot they are slotted. That doesn't mean your valuation of them is off. If I have Brees ranked the #1 QB and he finishes #3 or #4, does that mean I was way off? Does it matter if a couple of guys exceed their expectations to pass my guy? Gonzo is currently 14.4 pts/week. Last year that would have been good for #2 TE overall. Behind Gonzo. In fact, Gonzo had a FANTASTIC year last year finishing with 96/1058/10. The 3 guys ahead of him this year (Clark, Davis, Gates) are all actually outscoring that pace. His valuation of Gonzo was spot on. He's doing what he does every year. He missed on how good Vernon Davis, Clark, and Gates would be this year. Then again, most everyone did too.
