Whoever is representing FBG in the "Experts" mock... (1 Viewer)

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Rodgers has been a little more consistent than Brees so far. Brees was way better in week 1 and slightly better in weeks 2 and 6 while Rodgers was way better in weeks 3 and 4.

Drew Brees

Week 1: 38.32

Week 2: 24.34

Week 3: 7.68

Week 4: 8.10

Week 5: Bye

Week 6: 31.36

Aaron Rodgers

Week 1: 14.06

Week 2: 18.74

Week 3: 28.56

Week 4: 24.96

Week 5: Bye

Week 6: 23.22

If you look at their average points/game, Brees is at 21.96 and Rodgers is at 21.91...while Peyton is 1st at 22.7, Schaub is at 21.7, and Roethlisberger is at 21.63. All 5 look pretty even at this point and Brady is right there as well.

Don't see how anyone could still argue the Rodgers pick has been "awful". The other players drafted after Rodgers were guys like Brandon Jacobs, Dwayne Bowe, Terrell Owens, Pierre Thomas, and TJ Houshmandzadeh.

The Gonzalez pick hasn't turned out great so far but he also hasn't been the bust that a lot of people in this thread thought he would be. He's had double digit points in 4 of 5 games so far and his avg points puts him at TE7.

 

[jeter23]

Good job Norton!

 

[TheAssassin]

The majority of the criticism was for the Gonzo pick which is still very valid criticism. The other picks were all fine IMO including the bust picks of Royal and semibust Edwards. Norton did a very good job with his Middle/late picks (sometimes they are the most important ones).

 

[smackdaddies]

The majority of the criticism was for the Gonzo pick which is still very valid criticism. The other picks were all fine IMO including the bust picks of Royal and semibust Edwards. Norton did a very good job with his Middle/late picks (sometimes they are the most important ones).

Perhaps. He is currently the 7th based on per game scoring, which btw is better than Witten, whom many of us took in similar leagues in round 3/4.Based on the format, I don't think it was too early to go TE - you can argue as too whom was the better choice, but I think going TE is fine

 

[Eric]

Wow, I just read this for the first time. What an embarrassing draft. You could go undefeated and win the championship -- that doesn't change the fact that you drafted like a guppie. You aren't winning by skill, you're winning on luck alone.

 

[Jambi]

Wow, I just read this for the first time. What an embarrassing draft. You could go undefeated and win the championship -- that doesn't change the fact that you drafted like a guppie. You aren't winning by skill, you're winning on luck alone.

Would you rather draft like a Great White and be 1-5?

 

[MCguidance]

John, I love the bump. If there was ever a time to bump it, this was it. Benson was huge for you. Sims-Walker is a great pickup. Rogers has yet to fully come around IMO, and may continue to improve. Great job.

EDIT: So Tony G wasn't a "shark" move, but you know what was? Benson in the freaking 6th and Ward in the 7th. Gimme a break. More than luck here (which plays a part in everyone's championship seasons).

 

[Bri]

Good job Norton!

what he said

 

[mdlane]

What is up with this whole FBG rules, Rotoworld sucks, trolling? Why don't you point out where Rotoworld's blog writers "publically trash(ed)" FBG?

Last I checked, Rotoworld guys posted on these forums and actively contributed to the material here. And I've read a ton of material at Rotoworld, and guess what? None of them disparage FBG. Whereas there are 2-3 threads in the last week here flaming Rotoworld.

Basically, posts like yours just seems counterproductive. Your team is winning not because you took Gonzalez as your 3.1 pick or Rodgers as your 2.12, over guys like Ronnie Brown, but rather because you made some mid-round spec picks like Benson that really turned out well for you, and a couple great waiver pickups like MSW. You could be turning it into a learning lesson about how seasons are won and lost in the mid-late-waiver sleeper picks despite poor early round drafting. Instead, you're flaming other websites.

Anyway, just food for thought.

 

[The Comedian]

What is up with this whole FBG rules, Rotoworld sucks, trolling? Why don't you point out where Rotoworld's blog writers "publically trash(ed)" FBG? Last I checked, Rotoworld guys posted on these forums and actively contributed to the material here. And I've read a ton of material at Rotoworld, and guess what? None of them disparage FBG. Whereas there are 2-3 threads in the last week here flaming Rotoworld.Basically, posts like yours just seems counterproductive. Your team is winning not because you took Gonzalez as your 3.1 pick or Rodgers as your 2.12, over guys like Ronnie Brown, but rather because you made some mid-round spec picks like Benson that really turned out well for you, and a couple great waiver pickups like MSW. You could be turning it into a learning lesson about how seasons are won and lost in the mid-late-waiver sleeper picks despite poor early round drafting. Instead, you're flaming other websites. Anyway, just food for thought.

They publicly trashed the FBG draft on their website as the draft was going on.

 

[The Comedian]

That draft still sucks

is it possible for a draft to "suck" and wind up 6-0 and leading the league in points at the midpoint of the season?

No, it's not.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

What is up with this whole FBG rules, Rotoworld sucks, trolling? Why don't you point out where Rotoworld's blog writers "publically trash(ed)" FBG? Last I checked, Rotoworld guys posted on these forums and actively contributed to the material here. And I've read a ton of material at Rotoworld, and guess what? None of them disparage FBG. Whereas there are 2-3 threads in the last week here flaming Rotoworld.

I messed up and misattributed the quote from the first post of this thread to the person writing the blog entry and I guess drafting for Rotoworld. Wasn't trying to trash them, just thought it was funny. Either way, John's team is doing well so not sure much else needs to be said.

 

[Not Sure]

What is up with this whole FBG rules, Rotoworld sucks, trolling? Why don't you point out where Rotoworld's blog writers "publically trash(ed)" FBG?

Last I checked, Rotoworld guys posted on these forums and actively contributed to the material here. And I've read a ton of material at Rotoworld, and guess what? None of them disparage FBG. Whereas there are 2-3 threads in the last week here flaming Rotoworld.

It was in the first post of this thread. It's the reason this entire thread exists. I don't know what other threads you're referring to, but telling readers to "Never visit FBG" based on a couple of draft picks seemed pretty harsh to me at the time.

http://blogs.rotoworld.com/Fantasy_Footbal...ses_surpris.php

what the bloodclot?! ... alright, note to self: NEVER visit Footballguys.com.

this is a joke right? what in the world are some of these guys doing? "experts".. wow.. can i get one of these coushy FF writer jobs. this makes my brain hurt trying to figure out what the hell they were thinking.

The person who posted that about FBG is a Rotoworld staffer?

 

[shredhead]

Being the top scoring team in the league is obviously good, but how much of the 6-0 record is due to having the easiest schedule so far? He has the least amount of points scored against him.

I guess the old adage is defense wins championships. Good job so far!

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Being the top scoring team in the league is obviously good, but how much of the 6-0 record is due to having the easiest schedule so far? He has the least amount of points scored against him.

I guess the old adage is defense wins championships. Good job so far!

well, it looks like John's definitely had some good luck and won some close games, but he also has the best all-play record at 45-21.http://football3.myfantasyleague.com/2009/...45898&O=101

 

[Not Sure]

The person who posted that about FBG is a Rotoworld staffer?

I assume so. It's on their website: http://blogs.rotoworld.com/Fantasy_Footbal...ses_surpris.phpAlso, I have nothing against RotoWorld. I use their website all the time for player news in other sports and I don't think I've ever had anything bad to say about them here.

I must be missing something. I don't see where the blogger/Rotoworld staffer says anything about FBG. I only see a comment about the blog entry by some random person named scott c.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I must be missing something. I don't see where the blogger/Rotoworld staffer says anything about FBG. I only see a comment about the blog entry by some random person named scott c.

my bad. you're right and I'm sorry about that. I misattributed the quote.

 

[Twilight]

Being the top scoring team in the league is obviously good, but how much of the 6-0 record is due to having the easiest schedule so far? He has the least amount of points scored against him.

I guess the old adage is defense wins championships. Good job so far!

well, it looks like John's definitely had some good luck and won some close games, but he also has the best all-play record at 45-21.http://football3.myfantasyleague.com/2009/...45898&O=101

I saw the PA first too, and he did have one pure luck win in week (against Rotoworld, actually), but that's matched by his #1 v #2 matchup this week v KFFL.Overall I'll throw another congrats.

And for those of you saying that he's doing this despite his early draft picks, part of John's strategy was to grab early studs so he could ignore QB and TE for the meat of the draft. Saying that's he's winning only because of his later picks miss the point that he wouldn't be able to make those picks if he was hunting for pairs of later tier guys to make up production at QB and TE.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Being the top scoring team in the league is obviously good, but how much of the 6-0 record is due to having the easiest schedule so far? He has the least amount of points scored against him.

I guess the old adage is defense wins championships. Good job so far!

well, it looks like John's definitely had some good luck and won some close games, but he also has the best all-play record at 45-21.http://football3.myfantasyleague.com/2009/...45898&O=101

I saw the PA first too, and he did have one pure luck win in week (against Rotoworld, actually), but that's matched by his #1 v #2 matchup this week v KFFL.Overall I'll throw another congrats.

And for those of you saying that he's doing this despite his early draft picks, part of John's strategy was to grab early studs so he could ignore QB and TE for the meat of the draft. Saying that's he's winning only because of his later picks miss the point that he wouldn't be able to make those picks if he was hunting for pairs of later tier guys to make up production at QB and TE.

 

[top dog]

I must be missing something. I don't see where the blogger/Rotoworld staffer says anything about FBG. I only see a comment about the blog entry by some random person named scott c.

my bad. you're right and I'm sorry about that. I misattributed the quote.

2.12 Footballguys.com - Gonzalez, Tony (Editor's Note: !!!)

There was definitely an intial comment about this pick ion the page. I remember that. notice the "Editor's Note".

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

That draft still sucks

is it possible for a draft to "suck" and wind up 6-0 and leading the league in points at the midpoint of the season?

apparently

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

awaiting the official FBG article annointing the "take a TE in the 2nd round" strategy.

 

[ScottyFargo]

That draft still sucks

is it possible for a draft to "suck" and wind up 6-0 and leading the league in points at the midpoint of the season?

No, it's not.

Absolutely.
With average inseason management, we think you have a 15 percent chance of making the playoffs.
With good inseason management, we think you have about a 70 percent chance of making the playoffs.
With great inseason management, we think you have about a 99 percent chance of making the playoffs.It's very possible that the defensive sided drafting, trades and free agency you can cover holes in the roster from a few draft day busts. We all make a few decisions we'd like to do over halfway through the season, there's no crime in that, but I don't agree that 6-0 excuses taking a TE with a 2nd round pick, especially when that tight end isn't scoring in the top 20some odd for all players.

However, I think it's too easy to say the "draft sucked" if it's just one or two picks here and there and the rest are solid. But from a cursory glance it looked like a lot of the earlier picks (Royal, B. Edwards) don't quite make up for going rogue with the first two.

However, winning is all that matters, so congrats on your season, because that 6-0 does mean more right was done than wrong.

 

[smackdaddies]

Being the top scoring team in the league is obviously good, but how much of the 6-0 record is due to having the easiest schedule so far? He has the least amount of points scored against him.I guess the old adage is defense wins championships. Good job so far!

hmmm, he has also scored the most points in the league - one reason he has to lowest amount of points scored against him is that he doesnt go against his own team.

 

[Bri]

Being the top scoring team in the league is obviously good, but how much of the 6-0 record is due to having the easiest schedule so far? He has the least amount of points scored against him.

top scoring team pretty much negates whether strength of schedule would matter or not.

 

[smackdaddies]

awaiting the official FBG article annointing the "take a TE in the 2nd round" strategy.

Hello, anyone home? Drafting depends on league rules. I play in one league where it is common for several TE to go by the end of the second round.

 

[The Comedian]

That draft still sucks

is it possible for a draft to "suck" and wind up 6-0 and leading the league in points at the midpoint of the season?

No, it's not.

Absolutely.yaddayaddayadda

but I don't agree that 6-0 excuses taking a TE with a 2nd round pick

yaddayaddayadda

He hasn't made any trades. He picked up MSW, and some impact IDP's, that's about it. It just seems odd to me that a team is presented that is undefeated, leads the league in scoring and all-play record, and people are going Yeah, okay, but look at that second round pick. Who cares about his 2nd round pick? He's dominating the league about as much as one can in a H2H league, and this is a competitive league.Just eat your crow and move along.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

awaiting the official FBG article annointing the "take a TE in the 2nd round" strategy.

Hello, anyone home? Drafting depends on league rules. I play in one league where it is common for several TE to go by the end of the second round.

and that's relevant to the rules of this draft how?

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Being the top scoring team in the league is obviously good, but how much of the 6-0 record is due to having the easiest schedule so far? He has the least amount of points scored against him.

I guess the old adage is defense wins championships. Good job so far!

well, it looks like John's definitely had some good luck and won some close games, but he also has the best all-play record at 45-21.http://football3.myfantasyleague.com/2009/...45898&O=101

I saw the PA first too, and he did have one pure luck win in week (against Rotoworld, actually), but that's matched by his #1 v #2 matchup this week v KFFL.Overall I'll throw another congrats.

And for those of you saying that he's doing this despite his early draft picks, part of John's strategy was to grab early studs so he could ignore QB and TE for the meat of the draft. Saying that's he's winning only because of his later picks miss the point that he wouldn't be able to make those picks if he was hunting for pairs of later tier guys to make up production at QB and TE.

some people can convince themselves of anythingwhy not draft a K and D early, so you can stock up while other teams are drafting those positions

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

That draft still sucks

is it possible for a draft to "suck" and wind up 6-0 and leading the league in points at the midpoint of the season?

No, it's not.

Absolutely.yaddayaddayadda

but I don't agree that 6-0 excuses taking a TE with a 2nd round pick

yaddayaddayadda

He hasn't made any trades. He picked up MSW, and some impact IDP's, that's about it. It just seems odd to me that a team is presented that is undefeated, leads the league in scoring and all-play record, and people are going Yeah, okay, but look at that second round pick. Who cares about his 2nd round pick? He's dominating the league about as much as one can in a H2H league, and this is a competitive league.Just eat your crow and move along.

the originsa link posted picks through 5.3MJD ata 1.1 is a gimme

picks 2-5 are Gonzales, Rodgers, Royal and Edwards.

Most people are critical of those picks, and they are correct in that assessment. The numbers on the season bear that out. These are not good picks.

Benson at 6.12 is a great pick.

 

[Wadsworth]

I'm sure none of you have been keeping track of this story since you finished bashing my strategy back in August. Just thought I would throw out an update since we are approaching the mid season point. Granted there is a long way to go and nothing has been won or lost yet, but I have to like where things have gone thus far...

http://www3.myfantasyleague.com/2009/home/45898

Good luck all,

This is a bit deceptive, people were not bashing your draft. People were questioning your selections in rounds 2 - 5. Do you really think you nailed rounds 2 - 5 and that's the reason your are the points leader and 6 -0? I'm sure you enjoyed bumping this thread and I certainly would have in your position, but it comes off as somewhat lame when it's obvious that the majority of the criticism leveled against your draft was pretty much valid. You took the first QB and TE and both have been okay, but neither have been the best selection even at their position, much less overall. You waited for WR and drafted 2 busts in rounds 4 and 5. Since you are 6 - 0 and points leader, it's obvious you nailed the much of the remaining draft, but that success in no way justifies your selections in rounds 2 - 5. Bottom line is you made a decent selection of Rodgers IF you were committed to going QB in that position and you failed given draft slots on rounds 3 - 5. Your record does not change that.

 

[John Norton]

What is up with this whole FBG rules, Rotoworld sucks, trolling? Why don't you point out where Rotoworld's blog writers "publically trash(ed)" FBG? Last I checked, Rotoworld guys posted on these forums and actively contributed to the material here. And I've read a ton of material at Rotoworld, and guess what? None of them disparage FBG. Whereas there are 2-3 threads in the last week here flaming Rotoworld.Basically, posts like yours just seems counterproductive. Your team is winning not because you took Gonzalez as your 3.1 pick or Rodgers as your 2.12, over guys like Ronnie Brown, but rather because you made some mid-round spec picks like Benson that really turned out well for you, and a couple great waiver pickups like MSW. You could be turning it into a learning lesson about how seasons are won and lost in the mid-late-waiver sleeper picks despite poor early round drafting. Instead, you're flaming other websites. Anyway, just food for thought.

If you look back at my posts you will see that I have never mentioned ANY of the competition in this league or anyone from another web site who may have posted. Get your facts straight before you become critical of someone. I prefer to show class/professionalism and am simply taking the high road while explaining my thought process so our customers can follow the progress of my strategy. I never claimed to be 6-0 because of those picks but like the early picks or not, there is a reason guys like Benson and Ward were available when I got them. Just maybe that had something to do with the way the early rounds unfolded. What ever the reason, those were the kind of guys I was looking to take at that point in the draft when my TE and QB positions were already locked up with quality players and everyone else was on that run. Benson in particular was a guy I had targeted in that area. Gonzo may not (and probably wont) finish as the #1 TE but he has and will continue to be a very consistent and dependable option, which BTW, is exactly what I was looking for. A guy who I can count on all year, who allowed me to not think about that position again until late in the draft. I could have gone with Witten, Clark or Gates just as easily to accomplish the same goal but it was my draft and I was more comfortable going with Gonzo. I didn't apologize for the pick then and I'm not going to start now. It fit my strategy which so far has worked. Being set at those two positions also allowed me to go after guys like Sims-Walker and Brian Cushing in free agency. Players at positions that are nearly always easier to upgrade off the waiver wire than QB or TE. Part of this job is dealing with criticism. I appreciate those who have posted well thought out (classy) responses both ways on this topic. When I made these picks I knew I was sticking my neck out and would have to explain my reasoning. I also knew that not everyone would agree with it. I'm not concerned with being politically correct and have enough confidence in myself (along with a thick enough skin) to make the decisions I believe will help me to win. Even if they are out of the norm.

 

[BR33ZE]

The majority of the criticism was for the Gonzo pick which is still very valid criticism. The other picks were all fine IMO including the bust picks of Royal and semibust Edwards. Norton did a very good job with his Middle/late picks (sometimes they are the most important ones).

I love the shifting of the argument.When I originally read the complaints in this thread (note: I did not post any complaints with the draft) people were upset with the Rodgers and Gonzales picks. It wasn't a bashing of the entire draft......Now a bump to say, hey look at me sounds condecending and coc#y when the picks in the original dispute have turned out to be marginal at best. The Gonzales and Rodgers have turned out okay, but certainly not worthy of a bump here.Congrats John on your great draft from the #1 slot. Way to go on not screwing up the best slot in the draft!

 

[gianmarco]

I think another major point to take from this is that it illustrates how early draft picks, even if misses, don't make or break your year. Your entire draft does. John went completely against the norm where he took those players and is still able to field a team that is currently tops in the league. Some may think it's luck. Others can recognize that, as he stated, those picks allowed him to scoop up value where he saw the potential value. This go to encourage some of you that it's ok to "think outside the box" or to "reach" for a player if it fits into a strategy and plan that you think may be successful instead of going along with what every other mock draft and ADP tells you.

 

[gianmarco]

The majority of the criticism was for the Gonzo pick which is still very valid criticism. The other picks were all fine IMO including the bust picks of Royal and semibust Edwards. Norton did a very good job with his Middle/late picks (sometimes they are the most important ones).

I love the shifting of the argument.When I originally read the complaints in this thread (note: I did not post any complaints with the draft) people were upset with the Rodgers and Gonzales picks. It wasn't a bashing of the entire draft......Now a bump to say, hey look at me sounds condecending and coc#y when the picks in the original dispute have turned out to be marginal at best. The Gonzales and Rodgers have turned out okay, but certainly not worthy of a bump here.Congrats John on your great draft from the #1 slot. Way to go on not screwing up the best slot in the draft!

Again, this post shows the short-sightedness that those who continue to bash him are displaying. While those two picks haven't produced #1 at their respective position (although Rodgers is essentially there), they allowed him to do so well in the mid rounds when other teams were looking at QBs, backup QBs, and TEs. He didn't luck into those picks in the middle rounds. Looking at those 2 picks in isolation completely misses that point.

 

[BR33ZE]

The majority of the criticism was for the Gonzo pick which is still very valid criticism. The other picks were all fine IMO including the bust picks of Royal and semibust Edwards. Norton did a very good job with his Middle/late picks (sometimes they are the most important ones).

I love the shifting of the argument.When I originally read the complaints in this thread (note: I did not post any complaints with the draft) people were upset with the Rodgers and Gonzales picks. It wasn't a bashing of the entire draft......Now a bump to say, hey look at me sounds condecending and coc#y when the picks in the original dispute have turned out to be marginal at best. The Gonzales and Rodgers have turned out okay, but certainly not worthy of a bump here.Congrats John on your great draft from the #1 slot. Way to go on not screwing up the best slot in the draft!

Again, this post shows the short-sightedness that those who continue to bash him are displaying. While those two picks haven't produced #1 at their respective position (although Rodgers is essentially there), they allowed him to do so well in the mid rounds when other teams were looking at QBs, backup QBs, and TEs. He didn't luck into those picks in the middle rounds. Looking at those 2 picks in isolation completely misses that point.

Not bashing him here. I said he had a great draft.I'm just questioning the worthiness of the bump.If you want to debate the whole draft, we need a new thread... because that wasn't the original intent of this thread.peas.

 

[gianmarco]

The majority of the criticism was for the Gonzo pick which is still very valid criticism. The other picks were all fine IMO including the bust picks of Royal and semibust Edwards. Norton did a very good job with his Middle/late picks (sometimes they are the most important ones).

I love the shifting of the argument.When I originally read the complaints in this thread (note: I did not post any complaints with the draft) people were upset with the Rodgers and Gonzales picks. It wasn't a bashing of the entire draft......Now a bump to say, hey look at me sounds condecending and coc#y when the picks in the original dispute have turned out to be marginal at best. The Gonzales and Rodgers have turned out okay, but certainly not worthy of a bump here.Congrats John on your great draft from the #1 slot. Way to go on not screwing up the best slot in the draft!

Again, this post shows the short-sightedness that those who continue to bash him are displaying. While those two picks haven't produced #1 at their respective position (although Rodgers is essentially there), they allowed him to do so well in the mid rounds when other teams were looking at QBs, backup QBs, and TEs. He didn't luck into those picks in the middle rounds. Looking at those 2 picks in isolation completely misses that point.

Not bashing him here. I said he had a great draft.I'm just questioning the worthiness of the bump.If you want to debate the whole draft, we need a new thread... because that wasn't the original intent of this thread.peas.

You don't see the worthiness of the bump? First, there's the abundant criticism he took for those 2 picks and that he represented FBG poorly and now he's sitting at 6-0, most pts scored, and best all-play record. You want to call it as a "Look at Me!!" and I say he has every right to do so. Want to know why? Because if his team was sitting where rotoworld's 1-5 team is, guaranteed someone would have bumped and said "see, you had no idea what you're doing". Secondly, it's very relevant to the bashing of those 2 picks. People bashed those 2 picks by looking at them in a vacuum. Now, after seeing what he was able to do in the middle rounds as a result of those 2 picks (even if they aren't #1 at each spot) allows others to see his very valid strategy heading into this year's draft. I had completely forgotten about this and, while I would have never made those picks, seeing how his team has turned out as a result is very interesting to me because it proves how you can draft outside of the norm like he did and still do well.

 

[gianmarco]

The other advantage for me is that I have 2 positions locked down until the second half of the draft when I can pick up backups. Now I can wait to see who falls throught he cracks at WR/RB in the next 4 rounds and should be able to get some decent players while everyone else is fighting over second tier QBs and the other top few TEs. I agree that Gonzo was a little bit of a reach and a gamble but I have the top player at that position.

This was posted as his very first explanation. He did exactly that. It's worked out. Hence, the bump. And well-deserved.

 

[BR33ZE]

You don't see the worthiness of the bump? First, there's the abundant criticism he took for those 2 picks and that he represented FBG poorly and now he's sitting at 6-0, most pts scored, and best all-play record. You want to call it as a "Look at Me!!" and I say he has every right to do so. Want to know why? Because if his team was sitting where rotoworld's 1-5 team is, guaranteed someone would have bumped and said "see, you had no idea what you're doing". Secondly, it's very relevant to the bashing of those 2 picks. People bashed those 2 picks by looking at them in a vacuum. Now, after seeing what he was able to do in the middle rounds as a result of those 2 picks (even if they aren't #1 at each spot) allows others to see his very valid strategy heading into this year's draft. I had completely forgotten about this and, while I would have never made those picks, seeing how his team has turned out as a result is very interesting to me because it proves how you can draft outside of the norm like he did and still do well.

Again, its the shifting of the argument I find funny.No one was arguing his overall strategy. No one questioned the totality of the draft.The original thread which it appears you either did not read or do not follow was questioning the specific selection of certain players vs choosing other players who may or may not have been ranked higher by John himself. Most of the first couple of pages are tongue and cheek. To come back now and bump this is very much, Look at Me. And yes, IMO is very unworthy of a bump.peas.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

the best comparison for Gonzalez is probably Witten since that's who most people said he should have taken if he was going to take a TE there. Most others, including myself, said that WR would have been a better choice. Welker or Colston might have worked out better but the fact that he landed Mike Sims-Walker made that less important and there's no way to know if he passed on Gonzo whether he would have wound up with a bust TE later on.

the best comparison for Rodgers is probably guys like Brees and Brady since those were the top 2 QBs on nearly everybody's board this preseason. Well, Rodgers is putting up points just as good as those guys so far this year.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

What is up with this whole FBG rules, Rotoworld sucks, trolling? Why don't you point out where Rotoworld's blog writers "publically trash(ed)" FBG? Last I checked, Rotoworld guys posted on these forums and actively contributed to the material here. And I've read a ton of material at Rotoworld, and guess what? None of them disparage FBG. Whereas there are 2-3 threads in the last week here flaming Rotoworld.Basically, posts like yours just seems counterproductive. Your team is winning not because you took Gonzalez as your 3.1 pick or Rodgers as your 2.12, over guys like Ronnie Brown, but rather because you made some mid-round spec picks like Benson that really turned out well for you, and a couple great waiver pickups like MSW. You could be turning it into a learning lesson about how seasons are won and lost in the mid-late-waiver sleeper picks despite poor early round drafting. Instead, you're flaming other websites. Anyway, just food for thought.

If you look back at my posts you will see that I have never mentioned ANY of the competition in this league or anyone from another web site who may have posted. Get your facts straight before you become critical of someone. I prefer to show class/professionalism and am simply taking the high road while explaining my thought process so our customers can follow the progress of my strategy.

This was my fault. I originally misattributed a quote from the comments section of the RotoWorld blog to their writer/drafter. Once my mistake was pointed out, I went back and cleaned up this thread a bit. So, this person wasn't referring to you, he was responding to a post of mine.My original comment was that it was interesting that the guy who was trashing your draft and FBG was sitting near the bottom while you were at the top. But, I had the wrong guy.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

To come back now and bump this is very much, Look at Me. And yes, IMO is very unworthy of a bump.

why?most people realize you can't win your draft with the early picks but you can lose it. avoiding busts early on is a pretty good strategy and Gonzo/Rodgers have provided solid production thus far.

 

[BR33ZE]

To come back now and bump this is very much, Look at Me. And yes, IMO is very unworthy of a bump.

why?most people realize you can't win your draft with the early picks but you can lose it. avoiding busts early on is a pretty good strategy and Gonzo/Rodgers have provided solid production thus far.

A lot of reasons I've already pointed out. #1. The debate in this thread was primarily about 2 or at most 3 picks. No one said he had a bad draft overall.#2. Also, it is very common practice for you guys to toot your own horn like when Dodds made the post : "Up to #10 overall in WCOFF" but when the eventual fall comes its like crickets around here. #3. It's very early.I will point out again. I think he had an awesome draft. If he wants an analysis or recap of his strategy... let's start a new thread. I'll be the first one in to point to all the brilliant moves he made. For the record, I never questioned any of the picks he made. I thought they were solid then. I just think coming back to this thread is a little disingenuous by sticking your chest out at being 6-0 and basically pointing at people who questioned him on a couple of early picks.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I will point out again. I think he had an awesome draft. If he wants an analysis or recap of his strategy... let's start a new thread. I'll be the first one in to point to all the brilliant moves he made. For the record, I never questioned any of the picks he made. I thought they were solid then. I just think coming back to this thread is a little disingenuous by sticking your chest out at being 6-0 and basically pointing at people who questioned him on a couple of early picks.

but when people are posting things like "Note to self: Never visit FBG" because of a couple unorthodox picks, why not point out that those picks weren't so bad afterall? Seems like a good lesson that you don't always need to be a slave to ADP.John took a lot of heat for those picks. A simple bump to show how things have been working out after 6 weeks is hardly asking everyone to look at him. He wasn't even the person who brought attention to this draft/league in the first place. Also, if he was in last place right now, I'm sure some people would have been happy to bump this to try and rub it in. Works both ways.

 

[BR33ZE]

but when people are posting things like "Note to self: Never visit FBG" because of a couple unorthodox picks, why not point out that those picks weren't so bad afterall? Seems like a good lesson that you don't always need to be a slave to ADP.

I guess the difference to me is he didn't come back and say, "the Rodgers and Gonzales picks weren't that bad."It was more like, "Ha Ha, I'm 6-0 Look at me."I don't know. I guess I appreciate the high ground here more than most.You guys disagree and take a different approach. To each their own...

 

[John Norton]

I'm sure none of you have been keeping track of this story since you finished bashing my strategy back in August. Just thought I would throw out an update since we are approaching the mid season point. Granted there is a long way to go and nothing has been won or lost yet, but I have to like where things have gone thus far...

http://www3.myfantasyleague.com/2009/home/45898

Good luck all,

This is a bit deceptive, people were not bashing your draft. People were questioning your selections in rounds 2 - 5. Do you really think you nailed rounds 2 - 5 and that's the reason your are the points leader and 6 -0? I'm sure you enjoyed bumping this thread and I certainly would have in your position, but it comes off as somewhat lame when it's obvious that the majority of the criticism leveled against your draft was pretty much valid. You took the first QB and TE and both have been okay, but neither have been the best selection even at their position, much less overall. You waited for WR and drafted 2 busts in rounds 4 and 5. Since you are 6 - 0 and points leader, it's obvious you nailed the much of the remaining draft, but that success in no way justifies your selections in rounds 2 - 5. Bottom line is you made a decent selection of Rodgers IF you were committed to going QB in that position and you failed given draft slots on rounds 3 - 5. Your record does not change that.

Plucking 3-4 picks out of an entire draft is like selecting a single passage out of the bible and trying to make it prove something. You can make it mean just about anything you want when you take it out of context and put a spin on it to suit your purpose. This was a 28 round draft. If you look at just those particular picks you destroy the entire context of the overall "game plan". Is Aaron Rodgers producing? Yes. He's less than half a point per game behind Drew Brees and is #3 in average PPG. Not to mention that he's been more consistent.

Is Tony Gonzalez producing? Yes. He's less than half a point per game from being top 5 in PPG average and has been the team's favorite red zone target. I'm sure the owner who took Witten wasn't expecting the #9 TE but that's what he has so far.

Were Royal and Edwards bad picks? They haven't been as anticipated but I bet both were gone by round 5 in 95% of all redraft leagues. Royal in particular has been a surprise bust after nearly everyone expected him to be the second coming of Wes Welker (This is a PPR league BTW) and Edwards may well recover from an ugly start before it's over.

Am I lucky to be 6-0? Sure. Not many people make it to that point. Especially in a league with 11 other owners of this caliber.

Is good fortune part of the game? Absolutely.

Would I be in this position if my early picks were bad as some of you want to pretend they were? NOT!

Middle round offensive steals and strong IDP drafting late was the basis of my strategy going in. As I said back in August, any lemming can line up and take the guy with the next best ADP. That makes you no better or different than the guys drafting in front and behind you. It also makes you very predictable which can hurt in those middle rounds. Like my strategy/picks or not, I got what I was looking for in this draft and thus far it has fallen well for me. That's all I'm concerned about.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

jesus Otis christ

to say that those picks allowed him to take more value later on is ludicrous

Benson's ADP during the time period of the draft was 7.01.

Let me say it again 7.01

Hines Ward's ADP was 7.11

Those didn't just magically drop to JN due to some magical QB TE strategy

 

[Banger]

The majority of the criticism was for the Gonzo pick which is still very valid criticism. The other picks were all fine IMO including the bust picks of Royal and semibust Edwards. Norton did a very good job with his Middle/late picks (sometimes they are the most important ones).

I love the shifting of the argument.When I originally read the complaints in this thread (note: I did not post any complaints with the draft) people were upset with the Rodgers and Gonzales picks. It wasn't a bashing of the entire draft......Now a bump to say, hey look at me sounds condecending and coc#y when the picks in the original dispute have turned out to be marginal at best. The Gonzales and Rodgers have turned out okay, but certainly not worthy of a bump here.Congrats John on your great draft from the #1 slot. Way to go on not screwing up the best slot in the draft!

Again, this post shows the short-sightedness that those who continue to bash him are displaying. While those two picks haven't produced #1 at their respective position (although Rodgers is essentially there), they allowed him to do so well in the mid rounds when other teams were looking at QBs, backup QBs, and TEs. He didn't luck into those picks in the middle rounds. Looking at those 2 picks in isolation completely misses that point.

Not bashing him here. I said he had a great draft.I'm just questioning the worthiness of the bump.If you want to debate the whole draft, we need a new thread... because that wasn't the original intent of this thread.peas.

You don't see the worthiness of the bump? First, there's the abundant criticism he took for those 2 picks and that he represented FBG poorly and now he's sitting at 6-0, most pts scored, and best all-play record. You want to call it as a "Look at Me!!" and I say he has every right to do so. Want to know why? Because if his team was sitting where rotoworld's 1-5 team is, guaranteed someone would have bumped and said "see, you had no idea what you're doing". Secondly, it's very relevant to the bashing of those 2 picks. People bashed those 2 picks by looking at them in a vacuum. Now, after seeing what he was able to do in the middle rounds as a result of those 2 picks (even if they aren't #1 at each spot) allows others to see his very valid strategy heading into this year's draft. I had completely forgotten about this and, while I would have never made those picks, seeing how his team has turned out as a result is very interesting to me because it proves how you can draft outside of the norm like he did and still do well.

exactly and people still don't get it. It's like taking a spoonful of a recipe halfway through and saying "wow, this tastes awful". You have to wait until all the ingredients are added, let it cook and then see what you have.

 

[gianmarco]

jesus Otis christto say that those picks allowed him to take more value later on is ludicrousBenson's ADP during the time period of the draft was 7.01.Let me say it again 7.01Hines Ward's ADP was 7.11Those didn't just magically drop to JN due to some magical QB TE strategy

They don't BOTH drop to him if he has to worry about taking a QB or TE there. HTH.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

jesus Otis christto say that those picks allowed him to take more value later on is ludicrousBenson's ADP during the time period of the draft was 7.01.Let me say it again 7.01Hines Ward's ADP was 7.11Those didn't just magically drop to JN due to some magical QB TE strategy

They don't BOTH drop to him if he has to worry about taking a QB or TE there. HTH.

He could have gone Gonzales Rodgers in the 4th and 5th...or taken an equivalent TE to TG in the 9th