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This was ZFL 6's rooke draft. It was more or less standard, except Chris Brown went somewhat higher than expected. My team, the Chiefs, made out like bandits with both Larry Johnson and Byron Leftwich!1 1 Denver Broncos Rogers, Charles DET WR Tue May 6 12:03:05 p.m. EDT 2003 2 Washington Redskins Johnson, Andre HOU WR Tue May 6 12:09:22 p.m. EDT 2003 3 Oakland Raiders Brown, Chris TEN RB Tue May 6 1:27:58 p.m. EDT 2003 4 Denver Broncos McGahee, Willis BUF RB Tue May 6 1:27:58 p.m. EDT 2003 5 Kansas City Chiefs Johnson, Larry KCC RB Tue May 6 1:40:58 p.m. EDT 2003 6 Denver Broncos Fargas, Justin OAK RB Tue May 6 1:43:54 p.m. EDT 2003 7 Kansas City Chiefs Leftwich, Byron JAC QB Tue May 6 2:51:53 p.m. EDT 2003 8 New England Patriots Palmer, Carson CIN QB Tue May 6 3:21:01 p.m. EDT 2003 9 Jacksonville Jaguars Smith, Onterrio MIN RB Tue May 6 3:28:11 p.m. EDT 2003 10 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Toefield, Labrandon JAC RB Tue May 6 5:07:02 p.m. EDT 2003 Butt officially covered. 11 Green Bay Packers Smith, Musa BAL RB Tue May 6 5:07:02 p.m. EDT 2003 12 Tennessee Titans Suggs, Lee CLE RB Tue May 6 5:49:15 p.m. EDT 2003 2 1 Tennessee Titans Boller, Kyle BAL QB Tue May 6 5:50:24 p.m. EDT 2003 2 Dallas Cowboys Johnson, Bryant ARI WR Tue May 6 7:34:29 p.m. EDT 2003 3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Calico, Tyrone TEN WR Tue May 6 7:40:17 p.m. EDT 2003 4 Jacksonville Jaguars Pinner, Artose DET RB Tue May 6 7:50:06 p.m. EDT 2003 5 New England Patriots Jacobs, Taylor WAS WR Tue May 6 8:06:44 p.m. EDT 2003 6 Seattle Seahawks Washington, Kelley CIN WR Tue May 6 8:06:44 p.m. EDT 2003 7 Kansas City Chiefs Grossman, Rex CHI QB Tue May 6 8:10:21 p.m. EDT 2003 8 Cincinnati Bengals Suggs, Terrell BAL DL Tue May 6 8:10:21 p.m. EDT 2003 9 Denver Broncos Simms, Chris TBB QB Tue May 6 8:30:58 p.m. EDT 2003 Is he the QB of the future? Or a bust? Had to take a chance on a QB here. 10 Oakland Raiders Newman, Terence DAL DB Tue May 6 8:46:20 p.m. EDT 2003 11 Washington Redskins Smith, L.J. PHI TE Wed May 7 3:08:18 a.m. EDT 2003 12 Cincinnati Bengals Bailey, Boss DET LB Wed May 7 10:02:56 a.m. EDT 2003 3 1 Green Bay Packers Clark, Dallas IND TE Wed May 7 10:02:56 a.m. EDT 2003 2 Washington Redskins Griffin, Quentin DEN RB Wed May 7 10:18:35 a.m. EDT 2003 3 Oakland Raiders Haynes, Michael CHI DL Wed May 7 11:14:07 a.m. EDT 2003 4 Denver Broncos Witten, Jason DAL TE Wed May 7 11:14:07 a.m. EDT 2003 5 Cincinnati Bengals Polamalu, Troy PIT DB Wed May 7 11:42:40 a.m. EDT 2003 HOPE HE'S THE TACKLING MACHINE I THINK HE CAN BE.... 6 Kansas City Chiefs Boldin, Anquan ARI WR Wed May 7 11:46:33 a.m. EDT 2003 7 Seattle Seahawks Henderson, E.J. MIN LB Wed May 7 12:45:29 p.m. EDT 2003 8 New England Patriots Askew, B.J. NYJ RB Wed May 7 4:05:45 p.m. EDT 2003 9 Jacksonville Jaguars Johnson, Bethel NEP WR Wed May 7 4:05:45 p.m. EDT 2003 10 Cincinnati Bengals Johnson, Teyo OAK TE Wed May 7 4:05:45 p.m. EDT 2003 11 Dallas Cowboys Davis, Domanick HOU RB Wed May 7 4:05:45 p.m. EDT 2003 12 Tennessee Titans Lloyd, Brandon SFO WR Wed May 7 4:21:03 p.m. EDT 2003 4 1 Tennessee Titans Burleson, Nate MIN WR Wed May 7 4:24:24 p.m. EDT 2003 2 Dallas Cowboys Wallace, Seneca SEA QB Wed May 7 5:01:17 p.m. EDT 2003 The second coming of Vick? Not, maybe Slash or Randle EL but he worth a shot considering what they have for QB in Seattle. 3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jackson, Alonzo PIT DL Wed May 7 5:23:06 p.m. EDT 2003 This former 'Nole is gonna be a monster if they move him to OLB. 4 Jacksonville Jaguars Aiken, Sam BUF WR Wed May 7 5:23:06 p.m. EDT 2003 5 New England Patriots Forsey, Brock CHI RB Wed May 7 5:52:23 p.m. EDT 2003 6 Seattle Seahawks Doss, Michael IND DB Wed May 7 5:59:22 p.m. EDT 2003 7 Kansas City Chiefs Curtis, Kevin STL WR Wed May 7 5:59:22 p.m. EDT 2003 8 Cincinnati Bengals Barnett, Nick GBP LB Wed May 7 5:59:22 p.m. EDT 2003 9 Denver Broncos Hobson, Victor NYJ LB Wed May 7 6:36:40 p.m. EDT 2003 10 Oakland Raiders McDougle, Jerome PHI DL Wed May 7 6:55:25 p.m. EDT 2003 11 Washington Redskins Pace, Calvin ARI DL Wed May 7 6:55:25 p.m. EDT 2003 12 Tampa Bay Buccaneers McMullen, Billy PHI WR Wed May 7 6:59:18 p.m. EDT 2003 5 1 Green Bay Packers Joppru, Ben HOU TE Wed May 7 7:05:47 p.m. EDT 2003 2 Washington Redskins Brayton, Tyler OAK DL Wed May 7 7:05:47 p.m. EDT 2003 3 Oakland Raiders Hamlin, Ken SEA DB Wed May 7 7:42:42 p.m. EDT 2003 4 Denver Broncos Robertson, Dewayne NYJ DL Wed May 7 7:54:42 p.m. EDT 2003 Going for the best player available. DTs may not score a lot, but still a value pick. 5 Cincinnati Bengals Ragone, Dave HOU QB Wed May 7 7:54:42 p.m. EDT 2003 6 Kansas City Chiefs Gardner, Talman NOS WR Wed May 7 8:12:45 p.m. EDT 2003 7 Seattle Seahawks Mitchell, Kawika KCC LB Wed May 7 11:11:12 p.m. EDT 2003 8 New England Patriots Kingsbury, Kliff NEP QB Thu May 8 6:49:27 a.m. EDT 2003 9 Jacksonville Jaguars Galloway, Ahmaad DEN RB Thu May 8 10:06:54 a.m. EDT 2003 10 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Asomugha, Nnamdi OAK DB Thu May 8 10:06:54 a.m. EDT 2003 11 Dallas Cowboys Kelly, Kareem NOS WR Thu May 8 10:06:54 a.m. EDT 2003 12 Tennessee Titans Kennedy, Jimmy STL DL Thu May 8 11:09:18 a.m. EDT 2003 6 1 Tennessee Titans Trufant, Marcus SEA DB Thu May 8 11:09:43 a.m. EDT 2003 2 Dallas Cowboys Hamdan, Gibran WAS QB Thu May 8 11:09:43 a.m. EDT 2003 3 Green Bay Packers Henson, Drew HOU QB Thu May 8 11:09:43 a.m. EDT 2003 4 Jacksonville Jaguars Mathis, Rashean JAC DB Thu May 8 1:04:26 p.m. EDT 2003 5 New England Patriots Battle, Arnaz SFO WR Thu May 8 1:04:26 p.m. EDT 2003 6 Seattle Seahawks Dorsey, Ken SFO QB Thu May 8 7:42:09 p.m. EDT 2003 7 Kansas City Chiefs Kircus, David DET WR Thu May 8 7:42:09 p.m. EDT 2003 8 Cincinnati Bengals Scott, Bryan ATL DB Thu May 8 7:42:09 p.m. EDT 2003 9 Denver Broncos Wallace, Taco SEA WR Thu May 8 7:42:09 p.m. EDT 2003 10 Oakland Raiders Williams, Sam OAK LB Thu May 8 7:42:09 p.m. EDT 2003 11 Washington Redskins Thompson, Chaun CLE LB Fri May 9 4:09:04 a.m. EDT 2003 12 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Gage, Justin CHI WR Fri May 9 4:09:04 a.m. EDT 2003
The Houston Stallions
Footballguy
14 -Team dynasty league in it's 2nd year.1. Rogers2. L J3. Willis4. Andre Johnson5. Palmer6. Leftwich7. Bryant Johnson8. Pinner9. Fargas10. Brown11. Boller12. O. Smith13. Grossman14. Musa SmithRound 21. Lee Suggs2. Simms 3. Jacobs4. Griffin5. Toefield6. Witten7. Kelley Washington8. Calico9. St. Pierre10. D. Davis11. Clark12. Craig Nall13. Joppuru14. L J SmithMy personnal picks in this draft were Rogers, Andre Johnson, Griffin, and L J Smith
Here is how our first two rounds went:ROUND ONE1. Charles Rogers, WR, Michigan State (Detroit)2. Andre Johnson, WR, Miami (Fla.) (Houston)3. Dallas Clark, TE, Iowa (Indianapolis)4. Larry Johnson, RB, Penn State (Kansas City)5. Byron Leftwich, QB, Marshall (Jacksonville)6. Carson Palmer, QB, Southern California (Cincinnati)7. Kyle Boller, QB, California (Baltimore)8. Bryant Johnson, WR, Penn State (Arizona)9. Rex Grossman, QB, Florida (Chicago)10. Taylor Jacobs, WR, Florida (Washington)11. Willis McGahee, RB, Miami (Fla.) (Buffalo)12. Chris Brown, RB, Colorado (Tennessee)ROUND TWO13. Ken Dorsey, QB, Miami (Fla.) (San Francisco)14. Justin Fargas, RB, Southern California (Oakland)15. Lee Suggs, RB, Virginia Tech (Cleveland)16. Tyrone Calico, WR, Middle Tennessee State (Tennessee)17. Musa Smith, RB, Georgia (Baltimore)18. Kelley Washington, WR, Tennessee (Cincinnati)19. Artose Pinner, RB, Kentucky (Detroit)20. Onterrio Smith, RB, Oregon (Minnesota)21. Bennie Joppru, TE, Michigan (Houston)22. B.J. Askew, RB, Michigan (NY Jets)23. Nate Burleson, WR, Nevada-Reno (Minnesota)24. Quentin Griffin, RB, Oklahoma (Denver)
CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
First 5 rounds with include IDP's........Rogers, Charles DET WRJohnson, Andre HOU WRMcGahee, Willis BUF RBJohnson, Larry KCC RBBrown, Chris TEN RBSmith, Musa BAL RBPolamalu, Troy PIT DBBailey, Boss DET LBLeftwich, Byron JAC QBPinner, Artose DET RBToefield, Labrandon JAC RBFargas, Justin OAK RBPalmer, Carson CIN QBSuggs, Terrell BAL DLCalico, Tyrone TEN WRWashington, Kelley CIN WRJohnson, Bryant ARI WRDoss, Michael IND DBTolver, J.R. MIA WRSuggs, Lee CLE RBJacobs, Taylor WAS WRBoller, Kyle BAL QBBoldin, Anquan ARI WRSmith, Onterrio MIN RBBarnett, Nick GBP LBDavis, Domanick HOU RBWitten, Jason DAL TEGrossman, Rex CHI QBMcDougle, Jerome PHI DLClark, Dallas IND TETinoisamoa, Pisa STL LBSimms, Chris TBB QBNewman, Terence DAL DBDorsey, Ken SFO QBJoppru, Ben HOU TEHenderson, E.J. MIN LBPierce, Terry DEN LBJohnson, Bethel NEP WRJames, Bradie DAL LBBurleson, Nate MIN WRKelsay, Chris BUF DLHaynes, Michael CHI DLTrufant, Marcus SEA DBLloyd, Brandon SFO WRRobertson, Dewayne NYJ DLThompson, Chaun CLE LBPace, Calvin ARI DLSmith, L.J. PHI TEHamlin, Ken SEA DBKiel, Terrance SDC DBWilliams, Kevin MIN DLBrayton, Tyler OAK DLMitchell, Kawika KCC LBGriffin, Quentin DEN RBRagone, Dave HOU QBJackson, Alonzo PIT DLStaley, Luke DET RBAiken, Sam BUF WRHobson, Victor NYJ LBKingsbury, Kliff NEP QB
Our Dynasty League is composed of ten teams. The draft went three rounds, with a fair amount of trading of picks prior to the start of the draft. Our roster limits are normally 18 players, until the draft. We expand rosters by 3 players from the start of the draft through the end of the preseason.I am the Demons, and I felt a need for RB's. Unfortunately, there was no clear starter from the players available this year. I traded a first round pick next year for the #5 overall this year. Since I'm sitting on a surplus of first round picks next year, this isn't as ill advised as it might otherwise appear. Our league is entering its third year.1. Charles Rogers--Shark Tank 2. Andre Johnson--Marauders 3. Larry Johnson--Demons 4. Willis McGahee--Marauders 5. Justin Fargas--Demons 6. Chris Brown--Demons 7. Bryant Johnson--Rednecks 8. Tyrone Calico--Cowboys 9. Kelley Washington--Marauders 10. Carson Palmer--Squires 11. Byron Leftwich--Shark Tank 12. Taylor Jacobs--Maniacs 13. Musa Smith--RoadRagers 14. Artose Pinner--Marauders 15. Kyle Boller--Maniacs 16. Dallas Clark--Maniacs 17. Dominick Davis--Rednecks 18. Justin Gage--Cowboys 19. Jason Witten--Shark Tank 20. Bethel Johnson--Cowboys 21. Onterrio Smith--Marauders 22. Maniacs pass on their pick 23. Brandon Lloyd--Squires 24. Cowboys pass on their pick 25. Lee Suggs--RoadRagers 26. Anquan Boldin--Squires 27. Rednecks pass on their pick 28. Roadragers pick expires 29. Shark Tank pass on their pick 30. Squires pass on their pick
dallas428b
Footballguy
First round1.Bills(from Colts) - Larry Johnson2.Chargers(from 49ers) - Charlie Rogers3.Lions - Andre Johnson4.49ers(from Bills) - Willis Mcgahee5.Dolphins(from Bears, from Chargers, from 49ers, from Bills) - Onterrio Smith6.Bills(from Vikings) - Chris Brown7.Patriots - Byron Leftwich8.Bears(from Dolphins, from Bears) - Justin Fargas9.Texans - Carson Palmer10.Vikings (from Cowboys) - Kyle Boller11.Bills(from Dolphins, from Bears, from Chargers) - Lee Suggs12.Eagles - Tyrone CalicoSecond round1.Eagles - Musa Smith2.Chargers(from Dolphins, from Patriots, from Bills) - Artose Pinner3.Cowboys - Kelly Washington4.Texans - Taylor Jacobs5.Patriots(from Bears, from Bills) - Terrell Suggs6.Cowboys(from Dolphins)(from Patriots) - Labrandon Toefield7.Vikings - Bryant Johnson8.Patriots(from Chargers, from Bears, from Bills) - Rex Grossman9.Bills - Jason Whitten 10.Cowboys(from Lions) - Chris Simms11.49ers(from 49ers, from Bills, from Chargers) - Troy Polamalu12.Bears(from Colts) - Jerome McDougleThird round1.Patriots(from Bears, from Colts) - Dallas Clark2.Bills(from 49ers, from Patriots) - Bethel Johnson3.Bills(from Lions) - Nick Barnett4.Vikings(from Bills) - Boss Bailey5.Bills(from Chargers) - Quentin Griffin6.Vikings - Teyo Johnson7.Bills(from Patriots, from 49ers) - Anquan Boldin8.Bills (from Bears) - Seneca Wallace9.Texans - J.R. Tolver10.Lions(from Cowboys) - Nate Burleson11.Colts(from Dolphins) - Mike Doss12.Eagles - Michael Haynes Fourth round1.Eagles - E.J. Henderson 2.Dolphins - Cecil Sapp3.Cowboys - Dave Ragone4.Texans - L.J. Smith5.Patriots(from Bears, from Bills) - Dewayne Robertson6.Patriots - Terence Newman7.Vikings - Drew Henson8.Chargers - Pisa Tinoisamoa9.Bills - Brian St. Pierre10.Lions - Domanick Davis11.Bears(from 49ers, from Bills) - Brandon Lloyd 12.Bears(from Colts) - Brock Forsey Fifth round1.Dolphins(from Colts) - Earnest Graham2.Bills(from 49ers) - Kevin Curtis3.Lions - Victor Hobson4.Bills - Bennie Joppru5.Chargers - Kawika Mitchell 6.Vikings - Marcus Trufant7.Patriots - Avon Cobourne8.Dolphins(from Bears) - Shaun McDonald9.Texans - Johnathan Sullivan10.Lions(from Cowboys) - Terry Pierce11.Bears(from Dolphins) - Justin Gage12.Eagles - Billy McmullenSixth round1.Eagles - Trent Smith2.Colts(from Dolphins) - Antwan Peek3.Cowboys - Dahrran Diedrick4.Texans - Brooks Bollinger5.Colts(from Bears, from Dolphins) - Terrance Keel6.Patriots - David Kircus7.Vikings - Calvin Pace8.Chargers - Kevin Williams9.Bills - Chris Kelsay10.Lions - Andre Woolfolk11.Bills(from 49ers) - Josh Brown12.Colts - Ken HamlinIf this is not correct, let me know
purplehaze67
Footballguy
Here is one currently underway. 12 team, straight (NFL style) draft of rookies only.1.01 Rogers1.02 AJ1.03 McGahee1.04 Leftwich1.05 LJ1.06 Pinner1.07 Fargas1.08 Boller1.09 Brown1.10 Bryant Johnson1.11 OSmith1.12 Palmer2.01 Suggs2.02 MSmith2.03 Washington2.04 Jacobs2.05 Calico2.06 Toefield2.07 Grossman2.08 Boldin2.09 Clark2.10 Curtis2.11 Simms2.12 Whitten3.01 Griffin3.02 Burleson3.03 pass3.04 pass3.05 Teyo Johnson3.06 pass3.07 Lloyd
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16 Team Dynasty where we start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1PK 3DL 4LB 4DB. I unfortunately only had 2 selections and they were both in the 3rd round. (3.14 & 3.15) NERFF Draft
Round 1
1 Oklahoma Petros Rogers, Charles DET WR
2 Wicklow Shillelaghs Johnson, Larry KCC RB
3 Dayton Jawas Johnson, Andre HOU WR
4 Chicago Blues Brown, Chris TEN RB
5 Wicklow Shillelaghs Leftwich, Byron JAC QB
6 Dayton Jawas McGahee, Willis BUF RB
7 Raleigh Rash Pinner, Artose DET RB
8 South Jersey Greenheads Robertson, Dewayne NYJ DL
9 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Smith, Onterrio MIN RB
10 R&R Roman Razorbacks Suggs, Terrell BAL DL
11 Southern Michigan Renegades Boller, Kyle BAL QB
12 Chicago Blues McDougle, Jerome PHI DL
13 Southern Michigan Renegades Bailey, Boss DET LB
14 Southern Michigan Renegades Palmer, Carson CIN QB
15 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Grossman, Rex CHI QB
16 Chicago Blues Polamalu, Troy PIT DB
Round 2
1 Wicklow Shillelaghs Fargas, Justin OAK RB
2 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Johnson, Bryant ARI WR
3 Huber Heights Warriors Barnett, Nick GBP LB
4 Chicago Blues Smith, Musa BAL RB
5 Oxford Ospreys Henderson, E.J. MIN LB
6 Dayton Jawas Calico, Tyrone TEN WR
7 Wicklow Shillelaghs Doss, Michael IND DB
8 Toronto Rock Suggs, Lee CLE RB
9 Raleigh Rash Sullivan, Johnathan NOS DL
10 Toronto Rock Jacobs, Taylor WAS WR
11 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Simms, Chris TBB QB
12 Chicago Blues Washington, Kelley CIN WR
13 Southern Michigan Renegades Haynes, Michael CHI DL
14 Rocky Mountain Miners Joppru, Ben HOU TE
15 Oxford Ospreys Toefield, Labrandon JAC RB
16 Wicklow Shillelaghs Clark, Dallas IND TE
Round 3
1 Wicklow Shillelaghs Witten, Jason DAL TE
2 Raleigh Rash Joseph, William NYG DL
3 Huber Heights Warriors Boldin, Anquan ARI WR
4 Chicago Blues Mitchell, Kawika KCC LB
5 Oxford Ospreys Smith, L.J. PHI TE
6 Raleigh Rash Hayes, Gerald ARI LB
7 South Jersey Greenheads Curtis, Kevin STL WR
8 R&R Roman Razorbacks Burleson, Nate MIN WR
9 Raleigh Rash Tinoisamoa, Pisa STL LB
10 Southern Michigan Renegades Hamlin, Ken SEA DB
11 Southern Michigan Renegades Newman, Terence DAL DB
12 R&R Roman Razorbacks Redding, Cory DET DL
13 Toronto Rock Johnson, Teyo OAK TE
14 Park Ridge Pioneers Griffin, Quentin DEN RB
15 Park Ridge Pioneers Kiel, Terrance SDC DB
16 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Lloyd, Brandon SFO WR
Round 4
1 Wicklow Shillelaghs Thompson, Chaun CLE LB
2 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Holt, Terrence DET DB
3 Huber Heights Warriors McMullen, Billy PHI WR
4 Chicago Blues Pace, Calvin ARI DL
5 Oxford Ospreys Williams, Kevin MIN DL
6 Dayton Jawas Trufant, Marcus SEA DB
7 NY Express Elling, Aaron MIN PK
8 Toronto Rock Kelsay, Chris BUF DL
9 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Gage, Justin CHI WR
10 R&R Roman Razorbacks James, Bradie DAL LB
11 South Jersey Greenheads Jackson, Alonzo PIT DL
Almost completed...
Round 1
1 Oklahoma Petros Rogers, Charles DET WR
2 Wicklow Shillelaghs Johnson, Larry KCC RB
3 Dayton Jawas Johnson, Andre HOU WR
4 Chicago Blues Brown, Chris TEN RB
5 Wicklow Shillelaghs Leftwich, Byron JAC QB
6 Dayton Jawas McGahee, Willis BUF RB
7 Raleigh Rash Pinner, Artose DET RB
8 South Jersey Greenheads Robertson, Dewayne NYJ DL
9 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Smith, Onterrio MIN RB
10 R&R Roman Razorbacks Suggs, Terrell BAL DL
11 Southern Michigan Renegades Boller, Kyle BAL QB
12 Chicago Blues McDougle, Jerome PHI DL
13 Southern Michigan Renegades Bailey, Boss DET LB
14 Southern Michigan Renegades Palmer, Carson CIN QB
15 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Grossman, Rex CHI QB
16 Chicago Blues Polamalu, Troy PIT DB
Round 2
1 Wicklow Shillelaghs Fargas, Justin OAK RB
2 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Johnson, Bryant ARI WR
3 Huber Heights Warriors Barnett, Nick GBP LB
4 Chicago Blues Smith, Musa BAL RB
5 Oxford Ospreys Henderson, E.J. MIN LB
6 Dayton Jawas Calico, Tyrone TEN WR
7 Wicklow Shillelaghs Doss, Michael IND DB
8 Toronto Rock Suggs, Lee CLE RB
9 Raleigh Rash Sullivan, Johnathan NOS DL
10 Toronto Rock Jacobs, Taylor WAS WR
11 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Simms, Chris TBB QB
12 Chicago Blues Washington, Kelley CIN WR
13 Southern Michigan Renegades Haynes, Michael CHI DL
14 Rocky Mountain Miners Joppru, Ben HOU TE
15 Oxford Ospreys Toefield, Labrandon JAC RB
16 Wicklow Shillelaghs Clark, Dallas IND TE
Round 3
1 Wicklow Shillelaghs Witten, Jason DAL TE
2 Raleigh Rash Joseph, William NYG DL
3 Huber Heights Warriors Boldin, Anquan ARI WR
4 Chicago Blues Mitchell, Kawika KCC LB
5 Oxford Ospreys Smith, L.J. PHI TE
6 Raleigh Rash Hayes, Gerald ARI LB
7 South Jersey Greenheads Curtis, Kevin STL WR
8 R&R Roman Razorbacks Burleson, Nate MIN WR
9 Raleigh Rash Tinoisamoa, Pisa STL LB
10 Southern Michigan Renegades Hamlin, Ken SEA DB
11 Southern Michigan Renegades Newman, Terence DAL DB
12 R&R Roman Razorbacks Redding, Cory DET DL
13 Toronto Rock Johnson, Teyo OAK TE
14 Park Ridge Pioneers Griffin, Quentin DEN RB
15 Park Ridge Pioneers Kiel, Terrance SDC DB
16 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Lloyd, Brandon SFO WR
Round 4
1 Wicklow Shillelaghs Thompson, Chaun CLE LB
2 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Holt, Terrence DET DB
3 Huber Heights Warriors McMullen, Billy PHI WR
4 Chicago Blues Pace, Calvin ARI DL
5 Oxford Ospreys Williams, Kevin MIN DL
6 Dayton Jawas Trufant, Marcus SEA DB
7 NY Express Elling, Aaron MIN PK
8 Toronto Rock Kelsay, Chris BUF DL
9 Mayberry Kerosene Cucumbers Gage, Justin CHI WR
10 R&R Roman Razorbacks James, Bradie DAL LB
11 South Jersey Greenheads Jackson, Alonzo PIT DL
Almost completed...
Boone22
Footballguy
Go here...
http://footballguys.net/forum/index.php?ac...t=ST&f=2&t=2698
and scroll to the end of the 2nd or early 3rd page to see a few rookie drafts that occurred over the last few weeks.
http://footballguys.net/forum/index.php?ac...t=ST&f=2&t=2698
and scroll to the end of the 2nd or early 3rd page to see a few rookie drafts that occurred over the last few weeks.
Here is our rookie dynasty league draft. We start 2 QB's, so that's why QB's go so high and so many are drafted in our drafts.1st Round1. B. Leftwich2. C. Rogers3. C. Palmer4. W. McGahee - This guy has T. Henry5. A. Johnson6. L. Johnson - This guy has P. Holmes7. K. Boller8. R. Grossman - This guy has K. Stewart9. J. Fargas10. C. Simms2nd Round1. T. Jacobs2. C. Brown3. M. Smith4. A. Pinner5. O. Smith6. Br. Johnson7. D. Clark8. J. Witten9. T. Calico10. L. Toefield - This guy has F. Taylor3rd Round1. K. Washington2. L. Suggs3. D. Ragone4. S. Wallace5. A. Boldin6. Be. Johnson7. St. Pierre8. B. Lloyd9. N. Burleson10. K. Kingsbury4th Round1. K. Kelly2. K. Dorsey3. D. Henson4. A. Pinnock - This guy has LT25. D. Davis6. BJ. Askew7. B. Joppru8. Q. Griffin - This guy has C. Portis9. K. Curtis10. LJ. SmithI hope this helps...
SammyJankis
Footballguy
Originally posted by jtnt1096:
Dallas Clark 3rd? Over all three QBs and Larry Johnson? From what I've read about Dallas Clark, the Colts wanted another tight end to team with Pollard, but Pollard is expected to get more recepetions, while Clark is supposed to do more blocking.Am I missing somthing here? Is Dallas Clark's brother in your FF league?
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
While #3 is WAY too high for Clarke, they didn't bring him in to be a primarily blocking TE.His biggest strength is recieving (750 recieving yards last year in college), and he is known to be weak at blocking.
You draft a guy for his strengths in round 1, they drafted him to be a recieving TE, not to mainly block. If they wanted a blocker they could of waited a few rounds and got one a lot better at it than Clarke.
The Houston Stallions
Footballguy
Dallas Clark will be a very good Te in a couple years. I do agree with the pick being early though. I would think someone would draft the top 4 QBs, the top 5 RBs, and the top 3 WRs before even considering a TE. I almost took Clark at 2.04 in my league of 14 teams. I passed on him and took Griffin instead. And Clark fell to late 2nd round. I didn't need a TE but I considered him there because I do have Pollard. I eneded up taking L J Smith at 2.14 because I also have Lewis.I realize the question wasn't for me but I thought I'd add my 2 cents in. I agree that Clark went way too early in that league.
humans_being
Footballguy
I was just going to post the same ILB, but you beat me to it.
dallas428b
Footballguy
i also believe the colts took clark for his recieving ability but i would have tried to trade down to get him...no way i take him with the 3rd overall pick...absolutly no value...he would/should fall to the second round if not farther but i wouldnt mind over paying in the second to get my man but not the 1st....anyway, everyone has different ways in drafts but i think clark was not a value pick as the 3rd overall.
bueno
In a class by himself
This is agreat idea - I'll volunteer to compile these and post them after we get a dozen or so. Here's my rookie drft from Fantasy Champions League:Round 11.01 Ant Hill Mob (from SWARM) Charlie Rogers - wr Det1.02 59 Colts(from Stud and Duds) Larry Johnson - rb - KC1.03 59 Colts (from Destroyers) Justin Fargas - rb - Oak1.04 Ant Hill Mob - Willis McGahee - rb - Buffalo1.05 Any Given Sunday - Andre Johnson - wr - Houston1.06 Torn ACL’s - Musa Smith - rb - Baltimore1.07 Chicago Mojo - Byron Leftwich - QB - Jacksonville1.08 Duncan's Doughnuts - Carson Palmer - qb - Cincinnati1.09 Rainmakers - Chris Brown - rb - Ten1.10 Sunday Soldiers - Chris Simms - qb - TB1.11 Capital Hill Gang - Kyle Boller - qb - Baltimore1.12 Destroyers (from 59 Colts) - Onterrio Smith - rb - MinnesotaRound 22.01 Rainmakers (from SWARM) - Artose Pinner - rb - Detroit2.02 Stud and Duds - Lee Suggs - rb - Cleveland2.03 Destroyers - Rex Grossman, qb, Chicago2.04 Ant Hill Mob - Tyrone Calico, wr - Tennessee2.05 Any Given Sunday - Bryant Johnson, wr - Arizona2.06 Torn ACL’s - LaBrandon Toefield, rb, Jacksonville2.07 59 Colts - Taylor Jacobs, wr - Washington2.08 Duncan's Doughnuts - Billy McMullen, wr Phi2.09 SWARM (from Rainmakers) - Kelly Washington, WR, Cincinnati2.10 Sunday Soldiers - Anquan Bolden, wr Arizona2.11 Capital Hill Gang - Teyo Johnson - te - Oakland2.12 59 Colts - Brandon Lloyd, wr, San FranciscoRound 33.01 59 Colts (from SWARM) Domanack Davis - rb Houston3.02 Stud and Duds - Dallas Clark, TE, Indianapolis3.03 Destroyers - Seneca Wallace, qb - seattle3.04 Ant Hill Mob - Jason Whitten, te - Dallas3.05 Any Given Sunday - L.J. smith, te - Philadelphia3.06 Torn ACL’s - Quentin Griffin, rb - Denver3.07 Chicago Mojo - Ben Joppru, te - Houston3.08 Duncan's Doughnuts - Brock Forsey, rb, Chicago3.09 Rainmakers - Avon Cobourne - rb, Detroit FA Rookie3.10 Sunday Soldiers Sam Aiken, wr- Buffalo3.11 Capital Hill Gang - B.J. Askew, rb - New York Jets3.12 Chicago Mojo - Bethel Johnson, wr - New England
This is going to be a little different than the other drafts you have seen. This is a new league, 12 teamer contract league, that started with the rookie draft before the initial vet. draft. There is only 16 roster spots (35 max years per season to use), so if you are going to keep a rookie to a contract, they better be good.1.1- Team #1 (my team)- B.Leftwhich1.2- Team #1 (my team)- C.Rogers1.3- Team #2-- L.Johnson1.4- Team #3-- W.McGahee1.5- Team #3-- A.Johnson1.6- Team #4-- K.Washington1.7- Team #5-- D.Davis (although he missed this pick and was really about pick 14)1.8- Team #6-- C.Palmer1.9- Team #7-- A.Pinner1.10- Team #8-- J.Fargas1.11- Team #4-- K.Boller1.12- Team #9-- O.Smith2.1- Team #9-- T.Jacobs2.2- Team #4-- T.Calico2.3- Team #6-- C.Brown2.4- Team #7-- J.Witten2.5- Team #10-- B.Johnson2.6- Team #5-- S.McDonald2.7- Team #4-- L.Toefield2.8- Team #10-- D.Clark2.9- Team #6-- Bethel Johnson2.10- Team #2-- M.Smith2.11- Team #8-- L.Suggs2.12- Team #11-- J.Brown3.1- Team #11-- A.Boldin3.2- Team #8-- B.McMullen3.3- Team #2-- B.Joppru3.4- Team #6-- Q.Griffin3.5- Team #4-- J.Gage3.6- Team #12-- K.Curtis3.7- Team #5-- S.Aiken3.8- Team #10-- BJ Askew3.9- Team #7-- T.Johnson3.10- Team #12-- R.Grossman3.11- Team #12-- S.Wallace3.12- Team #9-- C.SimmsMade many trades to acquire #1 and #2, didn't think there were many players worth waiting a long time for this year....
Boone22
Footballguy
Here is our rookie draft from a 2 weeks ago...1.01 Charles Rogers (One Player Away)1.02 Willis McGahee (One Player Away)1.03 Andre Johnson (One Player Away)1.04 Larry Johnson (One Player Away)1.05 Justin Fargas (Steel Curtain)1.06 Chris Brown (Whoa Nellies)1.07 Lee Suggs (Aerial Attack)1.08 Byron Leftwich (One Player Away)1.09 Musa Smith (High Tops)1.10 Artose Pinner (High Tops)1.11 Onterrio Smith (Steel Curtain)1.12 Carson Palmer (1 Player Away)2.01 Jason Witten (Steel Curtain)2.02 BJ Askew (Endzone Wizards)2.03 Rex Grossman (One Player Away)2.04 Kyle Boller (High Tops)2.05 Dallas Clark (Big Dawgs)2.06 Chris Simms (Aerial Attack)2.07 Taylor Jacobs (Whoa Nellies)2.08 LaBrandon Toefield (Steel Curtain)2.09 Bryant Johnson (Endzone Wizards)2.10 Kelley Washington (Fantasy Zoo)2.11 Quentin Griffin (Green Monsters)2.12 Domanik Davis (Fantasy Zoo)3.01 Tyrone Calico (Bada Bing)3.02 Teyo Johnson (High Tops)3.03 Anquan Boldin (Fantasy Zoo)3.04 Kevin Curtis (Smackdown)3.05 Pick was passed due to full roster3.06 Drew Henson (Whoa Nellies)3.07 Nate Burleson (Aerial Attack)3.08 Passed due to full roster3.09 Brandon Lloyd (High Tops)3.10 Bennie Joppru (Green Monsters)3.11 Seneca Wallace (EZ Wizards)3.12 LJ SMith (1 Player Away)Thats it!
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BoneYardDog
Footballguy
Round # 11.1 BEARS- Charles Rogers WR Det.1.2 BEARS - Larry Johnson RB KC.1.3 TEXANS- Willis McGahee RB Bills1.4 BILLS - Andre Johnson WR Tex.1.5 SAINTS - Justin Fargas RB Oak.1.6 RAIDERS - Chris Brown RB Tenn.1.7 STEELERS - Musa Smith RB Bal1.8 EAGLES - Labrandon Toefield RB Jax.1.9 PACKERS - Byron Leftwich QB Jax.1.10 BUCS - Artose Pinner RB Det.1.11 BEARS - Carson Palmer QB Cinn1.12 PACKERS - Onterrio Smith RB MinROUND # 22.1 REDSKINS - Taylor Jacobs WR Wash.2.2 DOLPHINS - Lee Suggs RB Clev.2.3 RAIDERS - Bryant Johnson WR Arz.2.4 BILLS - Quentin Griffin RB Den.2.4 TEXANS - Kyle Boller QB Bal.2.6 PACKERS - Terrell Suggs DE Bal.2.7 SAINTS - Tyrone Calico WR Tenn2.8 STEELERS - Boss Bailey LB Det.2.9 BUCS - Kelley Washington WR Cin.2.10 EAGLES - Troy Polamalu SS PIT.2.11 STEELERS - Jerome McDougle DE PHI.2.12 BEARS - Rex Grossman QB CHIROUND # 33.1 PACKERS - Chris Simms QB TB 3.2 DOLPHINS - Anquan Boldin WR AZ3.3 EAGLES - Jason Witten TE Dallas3.4 BUCS - Dewayne Robertson DT NYJ3.5 BEARS - Dominick Davis RB HOU3.6 RAIDERS - BJ Askew RB NYJ3.7 LIONS - Terence Newman CB CIN3.8 TEXANS - EJ Henderson LB MIN3.9 BILLS - Seneca Wallace QB SEA3.10 SAINTS - Mike Doss S IND3.11 DOLPHINS - Doug Gabriel WR OAK3.12 BEARS - Nick Barnett LB GBROUND # 44.1 REDSKINS - Marcus Trufant DB SEA4.2 DOLPHINS - Billy McMullen WR PHI4.3 SAINTS - Brian St. Pierre QB PIT4.4 BILLS - Teyo Johnson WR/TE OAK4.5 TEXANS - Bethel Johnson WR NEP4.6 LIONS - Nate Burleson WR MIN4.7 RAIDERS - Dallas Clark TE IND4.8 BEARS - Kevin Curtis WR STL4.9 BUCS - Micheal Haynes DE CHI4.10 EAGLES - J. Sullivan DT NO4.11 STEELERS - Cecil Sapp RB DEN4.12 PACKERS - S. McDonald WR STLROUND # 55.1 PACKERS - David Kircus WR DET5.2 STEELERS - Antwan Peek DE HOU5.3 EAGLES - Chris Kelsay DE BUF5.4 BUCS - Dewayne White DE TB5.5 BEARS - LJ Smith TE PHI5.6 RAIDERS - Dave Ragone QB HOU5.7 LIONS - Pisa Tinoisamoa LB STL5.8 TEXANS - Kevin Williams DE MIN5.9 BILLS - Bennie Joppru TE HOU5.10 SAINTS - Ken Hamlin S SEA5.11 DOLPHINS - J. Kennedy DT STL5.12 REDSKINS - JR Tolver WR MIAROUND # 66.1 REDSKINS - Sam Aiken WR BUF6.2 DOLPHINS - Cory Redding DE DET6.3 SAINTS - Brock Forsey RB CHI6.4 BILLS - Brandon Lloyd WR SF6.5 TEXANS - Ty Warren DT NEP6.6 LIONS - Arnaz Battle WR SF6.7 RAIDERS - William Joseph DT NYG6.8 BEARS - Rashean Mathis S JAC6.9 BUCS - Malaefou Mackenzie RB JAC6.10 EAGLES - David Tyree WR NYG6.11 STEELERS - Justin Gage WR CHI6.12 BEARS - Calvin Pace DL AZ
BoneYardDog
Footballguy
ROOKIE DRAFT ORDER 2003-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.1 DOLPHINS - Larry Johnosn RB KC1.2 SEAHAWKS - Charles Rogers WR Det.1.3 JETS - Andre Johnson WR Texans1.4 BEARS - Willis McGahee RB Bills1.5 SEAHAWKS - Carson Palmer QB Cinc.1.6 BROWNS - Byron Leftwich QB Jax1.7 TITANS - Artose Pinner RB Det.1.8 STEELERS - Lee Suggs RB Clev.1.9 DOLPHINS - Justin Fargus RB Oak.1.10. BENGALS - Musa Smith RB Bal.1.11 EAGLES - Chris Brown RB Tenn1.12 COLTS - Tyrone Calico WR TennROUND # 22.1 BEARS - Domanick Davis RB Texans2.2 EAGLES - Kyle Boller QB Bal.2.3 BENGALS - Chris Simms QB Tampa Bay2.4 SEAHAWKS - Rex Grossman QB Bears2.5 STEELERS - Labrandon Toefield RB jax2.6 TITANS - Onterrio Simith RB Min2.7 BROWNS- Kelly Washington WR Cin.2.8 SEAHAWKS- Bryant Johnson WR Arz.2.9 LIONS- Terrell Suggs DL Bal.2.10 DOLPHINS- Dallas Clark TE Ind.2.11 STEELERS- Taylor Jacobs WR Wash.2.12 COLTS- Doug Gabriel WR OakROUND # 33.1 COLTS- David Kircus WR Det.3.2 SEAHAWKS- Troy Polamalu DB Pit.3.3 COWBOYS - Terence Newman DB Dal.3.4 LIONS - Dewayne Robertson DL Jets3.5 JETS - Boss Bailey LB Det.3.6 BROWNS - E.J. Henderson LB Min.3.7 TITANS - Anquan Boldin WR Arz.3.8 STEELERS - Jason Whitten TE Dal.3.9 JETS - Michael Doss DB Ind. 3.10 BENGALS - Marcus Trufant DB Sea.3.11 EAGLES - L.J. Smith TE Phi.3.12 STEELERS - Seneca Wallace QB Sea.ROUND # 44.1 BEARS -Jerome McDougle DL Phi.4.2 EAGLES - Quentin Griffin RB Den.4.3 BENGALS - B.J. Askew RB Jets4.4 DOLPHINS - Nick Barnett LB GBP4.5 STEELERS - Rashean Mathis DB Jax.4.6 TITANS - Bethel Johnson WR NEP.4.7 BROWNS - Michael Haynes DL Chi.4.8 JETS - Pisa Tinoisamoa LB Rams4.9 LIONS - Teyo Johnson TE Oak.4.10 COWBOYS - Johnathan Sullivan DL NOS4.11 SEAHAWKS - Ben Joppru TE TExans4.12 COLTS - Sam Aiken WR BillsROUND # 55.1 COLTS - Jimmy Kennedy DL Rams5.2 SEAHAWKS - George Wrighster TE Jax.5.3 COWBOYS - Kevin Williams DL Min.5.4 LIONS - Dave Ragone QB Texans5.5 JETS - Andre Woolfolk DB Tenn.5.6 BROWNS - Mike Seidman TE Car.5.7 TITANS - Sammy Davis DB SDC5.8 STEELERS - Kevin Curtis DB Rams5.9 DOLPHINS - Billy McMullen WR Phi.5.10 BENGALS - Arnaz Battle WR SF.5.11 EAGLES - Calvin Pace DL Arz.5.12 BEARS - Brandon Lloyd WR SFROUND # 66.1 BEARS - Rashard Lee RB Dal 6.2 EAGLES - Joseph Williams DL NYG6.3 BENGALS - Cecil Sapp RB Den6.4 DOLPHINS -Scott Bryan DB Atl6.5 STEELERS - Nate Burleson WR Min6.6 TITANS - Tyler Brayton DL Oak6.7 BROWNS - Brian St. Pierre QB Pit6.8 JETS - Ken Dorsey QB SF6.9 LIONS - Justin Gage WR Chi6.10 COWBOYS - Kawika Mitchell LB KC6.11 SEAHAWKS - Drew Henson QB Texans6.12 COLTS - Osi Umenyiora DL NYG
BoneYardDog
Footballguy
ROOKIE DRAFT ORDER...-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.1 Bears ( from Cowboys) - Charles Rodgers WR Det1.2 Patriots - Andre Johnson WR Hou1.3 Giants (from Packers ) - Larry Johnson RB KC1.4 Titans ( from Buc's ) Willis Mcgahee RB BUF1.5 49er's Byron Leftwich QB Jax1.6 Cowboys ( from Bears ) - Carson Palmer QB CIN1.7 Titans - Kyle Boller QB BAL1.8 Chargers - Labrandon Toefield RB JAX1.9 Packers ( from Giants ) - Bryant Johnson WR ARI1.10 Texans - Justin Fargas RB OAK1.11 Packers ( from Cowboys ) - Tyrone Calico WR TEN1.12 Redskins- Terrell Suggs DE BAL2.1 Redskins- Lee Suggs RB CLE2.2 Cowboys ( from Bears )- Chris Brown RB TEN2.3 Texans - Artose Pinner RB DET2.4 Giants - Onterrio Smith RB VIKS2.5 Chargers - Musa Smith RB Ravens2.6 Titans - Rex Grossman QB CHI2.7 Giants( from steelers ) - EJ Henderson LB MIN2.8 49er's - Jerome Mcdougal DE PHI2.9 Packers ( from Buc's ) - Chris Simms QB TB2.10 Cowboys ( from GB ) -Kelley Washington WR CIN2.11 Patriots - Taylor Jacobs WR WAS2.12 Bears ( from Cowboys ) - Terance Newman CB DAL3.1 Packers ( from Cowboys ) - Michael Haynes DE CHI3.2 Patriots - Boss Bailey LB DET3.3 Bears ( from Pack ) - Dewayne Robertson DE Jets3.4 Buc's - Troy Polamalu S PIT3.5 49er's - Osi Umaenyioro DE NYG3.6 Washington ( from PIT ) - Dallas Clark TE INDY3.7 Titans - Nick Barnett LB GB3.8 Chargers - BJ Askew RB JETS3.9 Giants - Nate Burelson WR MIN3.10 Texans - Anquan Boldin WR ARI3.11 Redskins ( from PIT ) - Jonathan Sullivan DE NO3.12 Redskins - Doug Gabriel WR OAK4.1 Redskins - Quentin Griffin RB DEN4.2 Cowboys ( from CHI ) - Ken Hamlin S SEA4.3 Texans - Billy McMullen WR PHI4.4 Giants - Justin Gage WR CHI4.5 Chargers - Kawika Mitchell LB KC4.6 Titans - Bethel Johnson WR NE4.7 Washington ( from PIT ) - Domanick Davis RB HOU4.8 49er's - Bobby Wade WR CHI4.9 Packers ( from Buc's ) - Kevin Curtis WR STL4.10 Cowboys ( from GB ) - Teyo Johnson WR OAK4.11 Packers ( from Bears ) - Ty Warren DT NE4.12 Cowboys - Terry Pierce LB DEN5.1 Cowboys - Rashean Mathis DB JAX5.2 Patriots - Ken Dorsey QB SF5.3 Packers - Jimmy Kennedy DT STL5.4 Buc's - Brandon Lloyd WR SF5.5 49er's - Aubrayo Franklin DL BAL5.6 Bears ( from PIT ) - Jason Witten TE DAL5.7 Titans - Chris Kelsay DE BUF5.8 Chargers - Marcus Trufant DB SEA5.9 Giants - Charles Tillman DB CHI5.10 Texans - Victor Hobson LB NYJ5.11 Packer ( from CHI ) - Pisa Tinoisamoa LB STL5.12 Redskins - KevinWilliams DL MIN6.1 Redskins - Walter Young WR CAR6.2 Packers ( from Bears ) - Chaun Thompson LB CLE6.3 Texans - Antwan Peek DE HOU6.4 Giants - Alonzo Jackson DE PIT6.5 Chargers - Michael Doss DB IND6.6 Titans - Bryan Scott DB ATL6.7 Steelers - Eddie Moore LB PIT6.8 49er's - Shaun McDonald WR STL6.9 Buc's - Dave Ragone QB HOU6.10 Packers - Brian St. Pierre QB PITT6.11 Patriots - Eugene Wilson CB NE6.12 Cowboys - LJ Smith TE PHI
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Footballguy
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
Or you could go HERE once my server lets me update the *^%*&^%(*& pages...At any rate...so far we've got 4 picks done in our 16 team IDP league:Round #1 Player Drafted POS Team Name1.01 Charles Rogers WR Beverly Hills Millionaires1.02 Larry Johnson RB Houston Hemorroids1.03 Willis McGahee RB Jacksonville Bull Rush1.04 Andre Johnson WR Long Beach IslandersHere is a link to the SFL rookie draft which started today:The best league out there.
Air Coryell
Footballguy
Rookie and Free Agent Draft Pick Selection 1 Rogers, Charles DET WR 2 Johnson, Larry KCC RB 3 Johnson, Andre HOU WR 4 McGahee, Willis BUF RB 5 Smith, Onterrio MIN RB 6 Leftwich, Byron JAC QB 7 Smith, Musa BAL RB 8 Johnson, Bryant ARI WR 9 Kelly Washington CIN WR 10 Brown, Chris TEN RB 11 Fargas, Justin OAK RB 12 Toefield, Labrandon JAC RB 13 Palmer, Carson CIN QB 14 Clark, Dallas IND TE 1 Boller, Kyle BAL QB 2 Suggs, Lee CLE RB 3 Pinner, Artose DET RB 4 Calico, Tyrone TEN WR 5 Simms, Chris TBB QB 6 Jacobs, Taylor WAS WR 7 Johnson, Teyo OAK TE 8 Grossman, Rex CHI QB 9 Burleson, Nate MIN WR 10 Lloyd, Brandon SFO WR 11 Johnson, Bethel NEP WR 12 Boldin, Anquan ARI WR 13 Delhomme, Jake CAR QB 14 Witten, Jason DAL TE 1 Joppru, Ben HOU TE 2 Chatman, Jesse SDC RB 3 McMullen, Billy PHI WR 4 Gardner, Talman NOS WR 5 Wallace, Seneca SEA QB 6 Curtis, Kevin STL WR 7 Griffin, Quentin DEN RB 8 Aiken, Sam BUF WR 9 Smith, L.J. PHI TE 10 Davis, Domanick HOU RB 11 Bryson, Shawn DET RB 12 Joseph, Elvis JAC RB 13 Jurevicius, Joe TBB WR 14 Ragone, Dave HOU QB 1 Gage, Justin CHI WR 2 McDonald, Shaun STL WR 3 Dorsey, Ken SFO QB 4 Milons, Freddie PHI WR 5 Sapp, Cecil DEN RB 6 Askew, B.J. NYJ RB 7 Wilkins, Terrence STL WR 8 Reed, Jeff PIT PK 9 Wade, Bobby CHI WR 10 Carter, Tony GBP RB 11 Fenderson, James NOS RB 12 Mackenzie, Malaefou JAC RB 13 Chandler, Jeff SFO PK 14 Henson, Drew HOU QB
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3rd year, 16-team league w/ IDP's
(still trying to figure out formatting
; I can email you results in a spreadsheet if you'd like)
Round 1
Pick Team Player Pos NFL
1 Oklahoma Charles Rogers WR DET
2 Wicklow Larry Johnson RB KC
3 Dayton Andre Johnson WR HOU
4 Chicago Chris Brown RB TEN
5 Wicklow Byron Leftwich QB JAX
6 Dayton Willis McGahee RB BUF
7 Raleigh Artrose Pinner RB DET
8 South Jersey Dewayne Robertson DL NYJ
9 Mayberry Onterrio Smith RB MIN
10 R&R Roman Razorbacks Terrell Suggs LB BAL
11 Southern Michigan Kyle Boller QB BAL
12 Chicago Jerome McDougal DL PHI
13 Southern Michigan Boss Bailey LB DET
14 Southern Michigan Carson Palmer QB CIN
15 Mayberry Rex Grossman QB CHI
16 Chicago Troy Polamalu DB PIT
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Round 2
Pick Team Player Pos NFL
1 Wicklow Justin Fargas RB OAK
2 Mayberry Bryant Johnson WR ARI
3 Huber Heights Nick Barnett LB GB
4 Chicago Musa Smith RB BAL
5 Oxford EJ Henderson LB MIN
6 Dayton Tyrone Calico WR TEN
7 Wicklow Michael Doss DB IND
8 Toronto Lee Suggs RB CLE
9 Raleigh Johnathan Sullivan DL NO
10 Toronto Taylor Jacobs WR WAS
11 Mayberry Chris Simms QB TB
12 Chicago Kelley Washington WR CIN
13 Southern Michigan Michael Haynes DL CHI
14 Rocky Mt. Bennie Joppru TE HOU
15 Oxford Labrandon Toefield RB JAX
16 Wicklow Dallas Clark TE IND
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Round 3
Pick Team Player Pos NFL
1 Wicklow Jason Whitten TE DAL
2 Raleigh William Joseph DL NYG
3 Huber Heights Anquan Boldin WR ARI
4 Chicago Kawika Mitchell LB KC
5 Oxford L.J. Smith TE PHI
6 Raleigh Gerald Hayes LB ARI
7 South Jersey Kevin Curtis WR STL
8 R&R Roman Razorbacks Nate Burleson WR MIN
9 Raleigh Pisa Tinoisamoa LB STL
10 Southern Michigan Ken Hamlin DB SEA
11 Southern Michigan Terence Newman DB DAL
12 R&R Roman Razorbacks Cory Redding DL DET
13 Toronto Rock Teyo Johnson TE OAK
14 Park Ridge Quentin Griffin RB DEN
15 Park Ridge Terrance Kiel DB SD
16 Mayberry Brandon Lloyd WR SF
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Round 4
Pick Team Player Pos NFL
1 Wicklow Chaun Thompson LB CLE
2 Mayberry Terrence Holt DB DET
3 Huber Heights Billy McMullen WR PHI
4 Chicago Calvin Pace DL ARI
5 Oxford Kevin Williams DL MIN
6 Dayton Marcus Trufant DB SEA
7 NY Aaron Elliott K MIN
8 Toronto Chris Kelsay DL BUF
9 Mayberry Justin Gage WR CHI
10 R&R Roman Razorbacks Bradie James LB DAL
11 South Jersey Alonzo Jackson DL PIT
12 Wicklow Derek Watson RB NE
13 Southern Michigan Dewayne White DL TB
14 Raleigh Domanick Davis RB HOU
15 Shinobi Sam Aiken WR BUF
16 Shinobi Colin Branch DB CAR
(still trying to figure out formatting
; I can email you results in a spreadsheet if you'd like)Round 1
Pick Team Player Pos NFL
1 Oklahoma Charles Rogers WR DET
2 Wicklow Larry Johnson RB KC
3 Dayton Andre Johnson WR HOU
4 Chicago Chris Brown RB TEN
5 Wicklow Byron Leftwich QB JAX
6 Dayton Willis McGahee RB BUF
7 Raleigh Artrose Pinner RB DET
8 South Jersey Dewayne Robertson DL NYJ
9 Mayberry Onterrio Smith RB MIN
10 R&R Roman Razorbacks Terrell Suggs LB BAL
11 Southern Michigan Kyle Boller QB BAL
12 Chicago Jerome McDougal DL PHI
13 Southern Michigan Boss Bailey LB DET
14 Southern Michigan Carson Palmer QB CIN
15 Mayberry Rex Grossman QB CHI
16 Chicago Troy Polamalu DB PIT
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Round 2
Pick Team Player Pos NFL
1 Wicklow Justin Fargas RB OAK
2 Mayberry Bryant Johnson WR ARI
3 Huber Heights Nick Barnett LB GB
4 Chicago Musa Smith RB BAL
5 Oxford EJ Henderson LB MIN
6 Dayton Tyrone Calico WR TEN
7 Wicklow Michael Doss DB IND
8 Toronto Lee Suggs RB CLE
9 Raleigh Johnathan Sullivan DL NO
10 Toronto Taylor Jacobs WR WAS
11 Mayberry Chris Simms QB TB
12 Chicago Kelley Washington WR CIN
13 Southern Michigan Michael Haynes DL CHI
14 Rocky Mt. Bennie Joppru TE HOU
15 Oxford Labrandon Toefield RB JAX
16 Wicklow Dallas Clark TE IND
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Round 3
Pick Team Player Pos NFL
1 Wicklow Jason Whitten TE DAL
2 Raleigh William Joseph DL NYG
3 Huber Heights Anquan Boldin WR ARI
4 Chicago Kawika Mitchell LB KC
5 Oxford L.J. Smith TE PHI
6 Raleigh Gerald Hayes LB ARI
7 South Jersey Kevin Curtis WR STL
8 R&R Roman Razorbacks Nate Burleson WR MIN
9 Raleigh Pisa Tinoisamoa LB STL
10 Southern Michigan Ken Hamlin DB SEA
11 Southern Michigan Terence Newman DB DAL
12 R&R Roman Razorbacks Cory Redding DL DET
13 Toronto Rock Teyo Johnson TE OAK
14 Park Ridge Quentin Griffin RB DEN
15 Park Ridge Terrance Kiel DB SD
16 Mayberry Brandon Lloyd WR SF
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Round 4
Pick Team Player Pos NFL
1 Wicklow Chaun Thompson LB CLE
2 Mayberry Terrence Holt DB DET
3 Huber Heights Billy McMullen WR PHI
4 Chicago Calvin Pace DL ARI
5 Oxford Kevin Williams DL MIN
6 Dayton Marcus Trufant DB SEA
7 NY Aaron Elliott K MIN
8 Toronto Chris Kelsay DL BUF
9 Mayberry Justin Gage WR CHI
10 R&R Roman Razorbacks Bradie James LB DAL
11 South Jersey Alonzo Jackson DL PIT
12 Wicklow Derek Watson RB NE
13 Southern Michigan Dewayne White DL TB
14 Raleigh Domanick Davis RB HOU
15 Shinobi Sam Aiken WR BUF
16 Shinobi Colin Branch DB CAR
firecrackerfreakshow
Footballguy
any new ones?
crnerblitz
Footballguy
Where did you post them. what is the topic name. I am having a bit of trouble finding this post... could you post a link or such? Thanks
Riffraff
Footballguy
14 team league. 5th year.Rookie and free agent draft.1 Fargas, Justin OAK RB2 Johnson, Larry KCC RB 3 Rogers, Charles DET WR 4 McGahee, Willis BUF RB 5 Leftwich, Byron JAC QB 6 Johnson, Andre HOU WR 7 Smith, Onterrio MIN RB 8 Palmer, Carson CIN QB9 Brown, Chris TEN RB 10 Smith, Musa BAL RB 11 Boller, Kyle BAL QB 12 Pinner, Artose DET RB 13 Suggs, Lee CLE RB 14 Peterson, Adrian CHI RB 1 Johnson, Bryant ARI WR 2 Griffin, Quentin DEN RB 3 Jacobs, Taylor WAS WR 4 Grossman, Rex CHI QB 5 Simms, Chris TBB QB 6 Toefield, Labrandon JAC RB 7 Calico, Tyrone TEN WR 8 Washington, Kelley CIN WR 9 Forsey, Brock CHI RB 10 Davis, Domanick HOU RB11 Joseph, Elvis JAC RB 12 Boldin, Anquan ARI WR 13 Campbell, Kelly MIN WR 14 Bryson, Shawn DET RB 1 Burleson, Nate MIN WR 2 Chatman, Jesse SDC RB 3 Johnson, Bethel NEP WR 4 Mackenzie, Malaefou JAC RB 5 Lloyd, Brandon SFO WR 6 Wilson, Cedrick SFO WR 7 Gabriel, Doug OAK WR 8 Curtis, Kevin STL WR 9 Batch, Charlie PIT QB 10 Hayes, Donald JAC WR 11 Clark, Dallas IND TE 12 Dwight, Tim SDC WR 13 McCullough, Sultan WAS RB 14 Holcombe, Robert TEN RB 1 Sapp, Cecil DEN RB 2 McMullen, Billy PHI WR 3 Johnson, Doug ATL QB 4 Cason, Aveion DAL RB 5 Morris, Sylvester KCC WR 6 Stecker, Aaron TBB RB 7 Wade, Bobby CHI WR 8 Seahawks, Seattle SEA DT 9 Alexander, Derrick MIN WR 10 Jaguars, Jacksonville JAC DT 11 Lindell, Rian BUF PK 12 Henson, Drew HOU QB 13 Fenderson, James NOS RB 14 Nall, Craig GBP QB 1 Hanson, Jason DET PK 2 Smith, Akili CIN QB 3 Carter, Tim NYG WR 4 Testaverde, Vinny NYJ QB5 Minnis, Marvin KCC WR6 Johnson, Teyo OAK TE 7 49ers, San Francisco SFO DT 8 Brown, Josh SEA PK 9 Hall, Dante KCC WR 10 Jefferson, Shawn FA WR 11 Ragone, Dave HOU QB 12 Bollinger, Brooks NYJ QB 13 Kelly, Kareem NOS WR 14 Graham, Earnest TB RB1 Crockett, Zack OAK RB 2 Aiken, Sam BUF WR 3 Crouch, Eric GBP QB 4 Anderson, Richie DAL RB 5 James, Cedric MIN WR 6 Anderson, Jamal FA RB 7 Bryant, Matt NYG PK 8 Davis, Terrell FA RB 9 O'Donnell, Neil TEN QB 10 McKnight, James MIA WR 11 Cobourne, Avon DET RB 12 Engram, Bobby SEA WR 13 St. Pierre, Brian PIT QB 14 Young, Walter CAR WR
12 team dynasty with IDPs, initial season (separate rookie draft, obviously):1.01 Charles Rogers1.02 Larry Johnson 1.03 Willis McGahee1.04 Andre Johnson1.05 Justin Fargas1.06 Chris Brown 1.07 Onterrio Smith1.08 Byron Leftwich1.09 Musa Smith1.10 Carson Palmer1.11 Bryant Johnson1.12 Artose Pinner2.01 Lee Suggs2.02 Kyle Boller2.03 Tyrone Calico2.04 Kelley Washington2.05 Taylor Jacobs 2.06 Terrell Suggs 2.07 LaBrandon Toefield2.08 Terence Newman 2.09 Quentin Griffin 2.10 Nate Burleson2.11 Jerome McDougle 2.12 Michael Doss 3.01 Boss Bailey 3.02 Michael Haynes 3.03 Troy Polamalu 3.04 Sammy Davis 3.05 Dallas Clark3.06 Chris Simms3.07 E.J. Henderson 3.08 Brandon Lloyd3.09 Nick Barnett 3.10 Jason Witten3.11 Kawika Mitchell 3.12 Chris Kelsay 4.01 Rex Grossman4.02 Anquan Boldin4.03 Domanick Davis4.04 Teyo Johnson4.05 Billy McMullen4.06 J.R. Tolver4.07 Terrance Kiel 4.08 Pisa Tinoisamoa 4.09 Justin Gage 4.10 Terry Pierce 4.11 Gerald Hayes 4.12 Ken Hamlin 5.01 L.J. Smith5.02 Sam Aiken5.03 Bethel Johnson5.04 Ben Joppru 5.05 Tyler Brayton 5.06 Brock Forsey5.07 Rashean Mathis 5.08 Calvin Pace 5.09 Marcus Trufant 5.10 Doug Gabriel5.11 Terrence Holt 5.12 Dave Ragone6.01 Josh Brown6.02 Kliff Kingsbury6.03 Dewayne Robertson 6.04 David Kircus6.05 Kareem Kelly6.06 Shaun McDonald6.07 Drew Henson6.08 Avon Cobourne 6.09 Ken Dorsey 6.10 Brooks Bollinger6.11 Kenny Peterson 6.12 Ryan Hoag
12 Team Dynasty Draft - 3 RoundsRound 11. PHI - WR Charles Rogers, Det2. BUF - RB Willis McGahee, Buf3. DAL - WR Andre Johnson, Hou4. NYG - QB Byron Leftwich, Jax5. BUF - RB Larry Johnson, KC6. TB - QB Carson Palmer, Cin7. STL - RB Onterrio Smith, Min8. STL - WR Bryant Johnson, Ari9. PIT - RB Justin Fargas, Oak10. NYJ - WR Taylor Jacobs, Was11. CIN - QB Kyle Boller, Bal12. NYG - WR Tyrone Calico, TenRound 213. BUF - RB Artose Pinner, Det14. CLE - WR Anquan Bolden, Ari15. PIT - QB Rex Grossman, Chi16. PHI - RB Lee Suggs, Cle17. OAK - RB Chris Brown, Ten18. NYJ - QB Chris Simms, TB19. PIT - RB Musa Smith, Bal20. CLE - WR Kelley Washington, Cin21. TB - WR Bethel Johnson, NE22. NYJ - RB LaBrandon Toefield, Jax23. OAK - RB Quentin Griffin, Den24. CLE - TE Dallas Clark, IndRound 325. NYJ - TE Bennie Joppru, Hou26. PHI - TE L.J. Smith, Phi27. NYJ - QB Dave Ragone, Hou28. CLE - RB Dominick Davis, Hou29. MIA - TE Jason Witten, Dal30. CIN - WR Brandon Lloyd, SF31. NYG - TE Teyo Johnson, Oak32. BUF - WR Billy McMullen, Phi33. TB - WR Nate Burleson, Min34. DAL - QB Kliff Kingsbury, NE35. CIN - QB Seneca Wallace, Sea36. PIT - QB Brian St. Pierre, Pit
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
Seeing these results actually disappoints me. It's seems that FBG's is greatly becoming a follow the herd "but really- I'm taking chances" mentality kind of place.Almost every draft has Leftwich going before Palmer. This despite the fact that almost every GM who was willing to be quoted had Palmer as the top QB prospect. Leftwich is a great thrower, but he also has weight and injury issues and threw almost exclusely under center. I have heard many call him a Culpepper clone, despite the fact that he almost never runs and is slower than Chris Simms. I see this as the classic case of Fancy owner syndrome where owners like to ignore facts so that pursue their longshots and brag about them before they come in.THe next consensus scenario is Willis. How is he really in a better situation than LJ. I think that any draft where the owner does not have multiple high picks and WIllis goes before LJ and AJ, you have the same situation- Fancy Owner Syndrome. I actually think these people like to lose, and have the stock answers in place-"High risk, high reward", "Well, I like to gamble more than most." in place for when they lose.I think many of these owners should replace the word gamble with lose.
To some extent, I agree with the statement that a lot of owners are trying to get a little too cute with their picks, and nearly always in the same direction. However, there are a lot of factors to consider with Leftwich--for one thing, he may well be starting a season or more before Carson Palmer. Jon Kitna played very well last season, and is young enough that the Bengals shouldn't feel the need to rush Palmer under center. But the Jags have all but stated that Brunell is out after 2003, and I think everyone would be shocked not to see Byron starting in Jacksonville next year.
As far as McGahee goes, I agree completely. A big part of it is probably the perceived lack of talent in this year's RB class--since McGahee was hands down the best RB in the class before his injury, many dynasty owners apparently feel it's worth waiting a season or more for any payoff, on the off chance that he does recover fully. In the draft that I posted, I had the #4 overall pick and I'm a Travis Henry owner, and I was working on trading out of the pick should McGahee have been there. As it turned out, the team picking 3rd went with McGahee (after trying to get me to trade up to third to get him), and I happily picked Andre Johnson at #4. The talent in this class is at WR, so I saw no reason at any point in the draft to reach for a RB when I could get a better wideout prospect.
As far as McGahee goes, I agree completely. A big part of it is probably the perceived lack of talent in this year's RB class--since McGahee was hands down the best RB in the class before his injury, many dynasty owners apparently feel it's worth waiting a season or more for any payoff, on the off chance that he does recover fully. In the draft that I posted, I had the #4 overall pick and I'm a Travis Henry owner, and I was working on trading out of the pick should McGahee have been there. As it turned out, the team picking 3rd went with McGahee (after trying to get me to trade up to third to get him), and I happily picked Andre Johnson at #4. The talent in this class is at WR, so I saw no reason at any point in the draft to reach for a RB when I could get a better wideout prospect.
bueno
In a class by himself
One would expect some agreement on the high draft picks. There isn't much gambling there, and with the Bengals history of high pick busts, perhaps one could understand the Palmer vs Leftwich trend. That's not where gambles are taken if you want to win though.Brian St. Pierre is a gamble - taken as early as the 23rd, but often not at all.Quentin Griffin is a gamble, taken as soon as 18th but undrafted in some leagues.Shaun McDonald is taken as low as 18 and sometimes not at all. Can he be more than a return man? Some obviously think so.Bethel Johnson - the list of "gambles" goes on.The first 2 rounds of this year's rookie draft aren't gambles. They are choices. I have to laugh at the snipers who call a safe pick cowardly for not gambling, then call a true gamble a stupid pick. There is plenty of range in where players are being picked, especially in the later rounds. Weasel's follow the herd mentality comment is obviously a product of not studying the drafts hard enough.I still have to update this with another draft but check this out. These are the basic stats for the dt leagues that have been compiled. First number is the average, second is the soonest a player was drafted, third is the latest (unless he was undrafted). There is plenty of variabilty, especially as you go down the list. (Entire package available - p.m. me.)Charles Rogers, wr, Detroit 1.3 1 2Andre Johnson, wr, Houston 3.3 2 5Larry Johnson, rb, Kansas City 3.5 2 6Willis McGahee, rb, Buffalo 4.6 2 11Byron Leftwich, qb, Jacksonville 5.5 1 11Justin Fargas, rb, Oakland 7.8 3 14Carson Palmer, qb, Cincinnati 9.5 3 24Chris Brown, rb, Tennessee 10.3 6 18Bryant Johnson, wr, Arizona 11.8 5 21Kyle Boller, qb, Baltimore 12.0 7 16Musa Smith, rb, Baltimore 12.1 6 22Artose Pinner, rb, Detroit 13.3 7 19Onterrio Smith, rb, Minnesota 13.8 5 24Kelley Washington, wr, Cincinnati 14.5 6 22Taylor Jacobs, wr, Washington 15.1 10 20Lee Suggs, rb, Cleveland 16.2 7 25Tyrone Calico, wr, Tennessee 16.5 8 25Rex Grossman, qb, Chicago 17.0 8 34LaBrandon Toefield, rb, Jacksonville 18.0 12 20Dallas Clark, te, Indianapolis 18.4 3 26Chris Simms, qb, Tampa Bay 20.1 10 36Jason Witten, te, Dallas 20.4 13 28Teyo Johnson, te, Oakland 21.4 6 33Anquan Boldin, wr, Arizona 23.9 13 31Domanick Davis, rb, Houston 25.6 7 38Craig Nall, qb, Green Bay 26.0 26 26Nate Burleson, wr, Minnesota 26.2 22 31Brandon Lloyd, wr, San Francisco 26.4 23 32Billy McMullen, wr, Philadelphia 26.8 20 31Bethel Johnson, wr, New England 26.8 20 36Shaun McDonald, wr Saint Louis 27.0 18 41Ben Joppru, te, Houston 27.3 12 37Quentin Griffin, rb, Denver 27.5 18 38Josh Brown, pk, Seattle 30.0 23 43Kliff Kingsbury, qb, New England 30.0 30 30Brian St, Pierre, qb, Pittsburg 30.7 23 42Seneca Wallace, qb, Seattle 30.8 24 35Justin Gage, wr, Chicago 31.0 18 40Kareem Kelly, wr, New Orleans 31.0 31 31Kevin Curtis, wr, Saint Louis 32.2 28 39Dave Ragone, qb, Houston 32.7 23 39L.J. Smith, te, Philadelphia 32.7 26 40B.J. Askew, rb, New York Jets 33.0 14 48Avon Coburne, rb, Detroit 33.5 33 34Andrew Pinnock, rb, San Diego 34.0 34 34Ken Dorsey, qb, San Francisco 34.3 13 50Drew Henson, qb, Houston 34.3 18 56Brock Forsey, rb, Chicago 35.0 32 38Talman Gardner, wr, New Orleans 36.5 32 41Sam Aiken, wr, Buffalo 37.3 31 48Doug Gabriel, wr - Oakland 39.0 39 39David Kircus, wr, 40.0 40 40Aaron Walker, te, San Francisco 41.0 28 54Mike Seidman, te, Carolina 45.0 45 45Vishante Shaincoe, TE, Giants 46.0 46 46Cecil Sapp, rb, Denver 47.0 47 47George Wrighster, TE, Jaguars 47.0 47 47Derek Watson, rb - New England 49.0 49 49Bobby Wade, wr, Chicago 51.0 51 51Walter Young, wr - Carolina 51.0 51 51Arnaz Battle, wr - 49ers 52.0 52 52Adrian Madise, wr Denver 53.0 53 53Malaefou Mackenzie, rb, Jacksonville 54.0 54 54J.R. Tolver, wr, Dolphins 55.0 55 55
Zaphod
Two heads are better than one
I'm confused, doesn't this actually help you? Let the herd follow each other off a cliff. Let the mock drafts in May become gospel in August. Let the supposed VBDers take 3 RBs in the first 3 rounds of a start 2 league.Personally, I don't care much for the blustery shouts from the mountaintop. You will always have those that are more interested in crowing about their one good pick, even though it resulted in 10 poor ones.Those in the herd are never going to hear your words. Those are the people who make up their minds about a team or player and then will never reevaluate that position.There is no inside information. Anyone can find the information on the internet if they are diligent enough. It's how you choose to use that information that sets you apart.The people that I listen to most carefully on this board are not those that you might think. I stay away from those that just like to see their name in print, or like to draw tenuous connections to arbitrary statistics to prove a point. It's the people that can change their mind and take in new information and form new opinions. These are the people that don't have to fight their egos to post.
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rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
I disagree with most of this. Every player taken after the 15-20th pick is a gamble. You choose to call the first two rounds choices, not gambles. I disagree. The variation from team to team is often related to need at this point. The players you listed as gambles are closer to fliers in my opinion. I stand by what I said- When every draft but one has Leftwich going before Palmer (and the one where Leftwich went #1 overall is a start 2 QB league-which refelects why he went unusually high -your chart makes no mention of this) this is definitely a follow the herd mentality. You would think given the fact that Cinncinati has an equal running game, better receivers and an equal or better O-line- combined with the fact that Palmer was the consensus number 1 pick- there would at least be a 75%-25% split.McGahee going as the the #2 back or better in almost every draft shows herd thinking.Your variance that you talk about later in the draft is a matter of math- there is likely to be a huge variance in players of similar skill levels where most owners have never seen them play.
bueno
In a class by himself
Dear Weasel:Basically, your rants make no sense. First you subscribe relatively invariant picking to a herd mentality, then you further call the variance seen lower in the draft "gambling." You probably argue with yourself!difference between 20th and 24th is Simms, Witten, Teyo Johnson and Boldin. I see these players as more solid than you obviously do. I will leave the general membership to decide how big a "gamble" these players are relative to the ones immediately above them.(I assume he means first 2 rounds) Sorry, I go best player available in my rookie drafts.Not sure I see the difference.Why should # of QBs starting in a league affect the relative draft position of Palmer and Leftwich? The bottom line is that Palmer is stuck behind a starter that is consistent and not that old. He may be there one yea, maybe 2. Maybe the concensus is that there wuill be more QBs coming out next year (lots of people like Eli Manning), so why burn that high a pick if you are drafting based on need (as per your arguement earlier in the post)? It is also the Bengals - a team that has had many first-round busts. (Warrick was taken 3rd overall if you remember.) Leftwich may even find himself starting this year. If you read the reports leading up to the draft, you would know that several teams actually had Leftwich ranked ahead of Palmer. Maybe the guys on this board are looking at the team's opinions and not CBS Sportsline (note: low blow).No. McGahee would have been a consensus top 5 pick if not for the injury. Most people on this board recognize a player's ultimate value, not the fact he is stuck behind Henry (who has fumble problems in his past). After LJ and McGahee, the next rb wasn't taken until pick 77! The next one (ignoring Askew who is more of a Larry Centers/Richie Anderson type) was at pick 93! That's not herd mentality. That's realizing that the rb class this year is weak.Those of us who research rather than opine have scouting reports and combine results at our fingertips!
No. 16
Footballguy
I have to agree disagree with the statement that most Footballguys are following the herd if your main point is that Leftwhich is being drafted ahead of Palmer. Do NFL GMs really know what they are talking about most of the time? Often they discredit a supberb college career (Leftwhich) and put more value into half a season's worth of prduction and some impressive combine numbers (Palmer). I guess I am in the group that is following the herd but Leftwhich is the best rookie QB in my opinion. He's a tough leader and he's played at a high level his entire college career. But what do I know I chose to draft Justin Fargas!
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
Bueno-Your hostilitily is equal parts amusing and goofy. You talk about my rants and repond with massive essays much longer than my brief points I guess you have taken upon yourself to be defender of the board- how cute.I will address several of your points and move on.
I am glad that you take solace and always draft the best player available. However, many successful owners late in round 2 and beyond draft equally for need as well as talent.To use your example, if a player has a strong TE need at 23 he may be wise to choose Witten over Simms or Calico. Now, if you thought Simms was going to be a superstar, you would take him here, but if things appear equal many go for need and perceived opportunity. Your attempt to flame me for mentioning need makes you appear even more silly and self righteous than usual.
While you speak endlessly about research and scouting reports- very few FF owner's scout or have real scouting reports. Most do what I do. THey watch college football games on television. They read internet reports. That is not scouting. That is informmation gathering. I do this as well. Very few have seen Calico play more than one game and could not effectively break down his skills from that one game to determine how effective an NFL player he will be. Reading Gil Brandt, Ourlads, the GnB report, Frank Coyle,Pat Kirwain, the ESPN boys, etc. is not reading an NFL scouting report. Don't kid yourself. These are guys that write for websites for dorks like us. I must admit though, putting the boxing smiley at the end of you point like some macho exclamation point did have me fearful for a moment.
You are taking my comment out of context. You asserted that there was a trememendous range of where players were picked. You made a post naming the player, average draft position, the highest he went, and the lowest he went. It was noted that Leftwich ws picked number one in a draft. I was making a point that where Leftwich went #1, they were a start two QB league. This caused Leftwich to go at a different point in this draft than he would otherwise, and that you shouldn't expect him to go there.Also, please help me out here, because I get all my info from CBS sportsline- but what information is there in the world that indicates the very youthful 30 year old Jon Kitna with the career QB rating of under 75 and led the Bengals to a last place finish in 2002 has ever been a better NFL QB than the very very old Mark Brunnell. I looked everywhere but I couldn't find that info. Silly me. I have devoted enough time arguing with you, but I am eager to know of this uber-secret scouting report that reveals the tremendous talent and productivity of Jon Kitna.
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