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Who's the 2016 NFL MVP right now? (2 Viewers)
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Dedfin
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
I'm a weird guy.
Using your math then, there are 63 carnival weight guessers in the NFL and one guy with a scale
Dedfin
Footballguy
No idea where you are going with this. Do I need to take acid for this post or something?
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
couldnt hoit. lysergic, tho - not sulfuric. that would hoit
it's ok, we're not meant to understand everything. those who understand what i say know what i mean and that's enough for me.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
But then i might see you.
Didnt say better, just that he's the only qb who presently looks like he's not making it up as he goes along. If you can't appreciate buddhistically transcendant performance of the most difficult job in sports, your loss.
massraider
Footballguy
Exactly, you may have seen 3,000 yards and 22 TDs before, but you've never seen it done with such zen before.
That's why Brady should win MVP, just because........
That's why Brady should win MVP, just because........
FUBAR
Footballguy
Because style!
Not to insult what he's done this year but it's a lot easier to play methodically, according to the script, when you have the lead - in large part because of the best defense in the league.
He's not a "game manager" but what we're seeing there is the ideal pairing of one of the best QBs, lucky enough to be in a position to simply manage the game. That's a beautiful thing. I'm on the fence as to whether it's MVP worthy.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Brady has started 100 more games than Rodgers. If Brady never took another snap, Rodgers would have to go 93-7 to end up with the same record. And he'd have to go 15-3 in the playoffs to equal Brady's post season record.
Yeah, I get that wins is not really a QB category, but it's hard to argue against the Patriots record. Clearly it is from all the cheating.
Dedfin
Footballguy
Patriot fans, huh?
BUT IT'S LIKE HE'S PLAYING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT POSITION I TELL YOU
FUBAR
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
2016 MVP isn't a lifetime achievement award. You really think Sabertooth was talking about careers in the 2016 MVP thread?
That's what this all comes down to:
There's no cut and dried MVP, so let's give it to Tom, as some sort of cumulative award. It's ridiculous.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I don't think Rodgers should be a serious candidate here. Yeah, he has been awesome lately, but the award is for the whole season, and even though his numbers were still good during the first half, much of the talk was how his play had dropped off. You don't become the MVP for being great just down the stretch.
I swear, I saw a talking head last week say that it's hard to believe Brady has only been the MVP twice and that you almost want to give it to him this year because he needs have more than two on his resume. That kind of thinking might actually get Brady the award, since there is no clear cut favorite.
I swear, I saw a talking head last week say that it's hard to believe Brady has only been the MVP twice and that you almost want to give it to him this year because he needs have more than two on his resume. That kind of thinking might actually get Brady the award, since there is no clear cut favorite.
Dedfin
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
How many of us are just enjoying that the 2016 MVP award seems to be coming down to two of the greatest QBs of all time, playing pretty much as they have most of their careers? Tom terrific showing effectiveness and efficiency within a system - a coach's dream. Meanwhile Aaron Rodgers puts the team on his back, saying "I got this, guys follow me."
It's reminiscent of Montana / Marino, possibly better.
ETA: somehow I keep overlooking matt Ryan, he certainly is in the top 3 - order is very debatable.
It's reminiscent of Montana / Marino, possibly better.
ETA: somehow I keep overlooking matt Ryan, he certainly is in the top 3 - order is very debatable.
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Matt Moore had excellent numbers vs the Jets a week earlier. Rodgers is MVP and Brady is runner-up.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
It's still Matt Ryan.
The Claymaker
Footballguy
If the voting was for real, no player can match what David Johnson has done, he's the best RB and WR on his team, but his team is just so bad.
If Atlanta wins next week, Ryan will win the MVP. 3rd in pass yards, 3rd in TDs, 1st in QB rating, single digit INTs, #2 seed in NFC, more wins than Brady or Rodgers, higher QB rating than Brady & Rodgers, higher comp %, performed as good or better (definitely better than Brady against Den) against the 2 tough pass D's: Denver & Seattle.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Wait, are you really this excited over lighting up the Jets? You do realize that Matt Moore threw 4 touchdowns against them last week, right? The Jets stink.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
take a deep breath. you're getting a little excited.
with carr getting hurt his votes will obviously go elsewhere. you have to wonder what the thought process is for guys who are voting for him instead of Brady.
I think a lot of these votes go to ryan. Ryan's stats are way better than Brady's even if you extrapolate his avg over a full 16 game season. also you have the fact that if you take Brady away from NE we know they win 3/4 of their games. Matt ryan is much more valuable and imo wins this award pretty handedly
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Rodgers beat Seattle like a rented mule on two bum legs.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
he makes convincing arguments
@Bad_Mo:
2. Keep the personal attacks way down. I understand it's football and you're passionate. I am too. But I'm seeing the tool factor going way up in some of these posts and we can't have it. Disagree, argue, debate, support, critique whatever. But if you can't keep from calling the other guy a dumb###, you won't be posting here. This is the time of year when I have 10,000 urgent things to do every day. So please don't push this.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
I am not sure who I would vote for between Brady and Rodgers, but both are clearly the MVPs of their respective teams and without them their respective teams would be pedestrian without them at the helm. Rodgers has been doing it without a viable RB and a pretty shady defense, but has tons of talent at wr. Brady on the other hand has talent around him which I feel is generated by his own talent. You take his supporting staff and move them to another team and few of them would be considered superstars in their own right. Up until the injury, Carr was also playing at another level and winning at a high level with a rag tag assortment of cast offs but with him now injured I guess we will see if it was him that pulled it all together. Too close to call at this point between Brady and Rodgers - have to wait to see how the playoffs shake out. Right now I would give the edge to Brady because they are already in and the dude is just nails, but if Rodgers pulls off the miracle to get the Packers in with that defense and his lack of a viable RB....I could be persuaded to give the nod to Rodgers.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Several worthy candidates. I am fine if it is not the best guy on my favorite team so long as I get to hear my guy say "I'm going to Disneyworld" at the end of the last game of the season.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Not one mention of Matt Ryan, who leads the league in QBR, YPA, passer rating, etc.? And just set a record for having thrown TD passes to 13 different receivers this season?
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massraider
Footballguy
#2 seed in NFC, and he has been great beginning to end of season, which the others cannot say.
So weird. Ryan has strongest argument, by far.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I'd agree...great that ear by Ryan and has his team in prime position.
Haopy Rodgers got back in the conversation and the Team is playing well
The Claymaker
Footballguy
Ryan is having an awesome year and very deserving of the MVP award.
Shlon
Footballguy
Matt Ryan, 9.26 Yards per attempt (almost a first down per attempt), more than a full yard higher than 2nd place Tom Brady. His Yards per attempt is the best in NFL history compared to the league average of that season. Highest QB rating and Total QBR. Played in all the games (Brady missed 4 and Pats still went 3-1). Put up #'s when Julio wasn't playing. Ryan has been the most efficient quarterback all season and deserves it.
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Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Good points, add him to the mix. I am not sure I have watched an Atlanta game this year which is probably why I neglected ot mention him.
Not sure how anyone can make that argument for Brady this year. Other years definitely, but not this year. #1 Defense in the league, 3-1 without Brady, 2 of those 3 wins came against teams going to the playoffs.Mr. Know-It-All said:
With Carr now injured, my vote goes to Ryan.
ZWK
Footballguy
I don't see why people are abandoning Carr after his injury. He's going to miss 1 game. 1 game that he might have mostly skipped anyways, if the Patriots win their 1:00 game next week to clinch the #1 seed. And a lot of the people who are now saying that it can't go to Carr are still backing Brady as one of the top options, even though Brady missed 4 games.
The real reason why Carr shouldn't win MVP is that Matt Ryan has had a better 15 games than Derek Carr has.
The real reason why Carr shouldn't win MVP is that Matt Ryan has had a better 15 games than Derek Carr has.
trader jake
Footballguy
DAL LT Tyron Smith
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
DropKick
Footballguy
It isn't going to happen because the team has been in the the toilet but David Johnson could become the 1st guy to put up at least 100 yards from scrimmage in all 16 games. Really has been amazing and special thanks since he anchored both my fantasy teams to titles this season!
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Rodgers is the MVP and it's not even close.
Update: Actually, I think David Johnson is definitely in the running too. Rodgers or Johnson or both. I'd be cool with that.
Update: Actually, I think David Johnson is definitely in the running too. Rodgers or Johnson or both. I'd be cool with that.
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Ryan and Brady had really good years - they're close to Aaron. Rodgers and Ryan have similar passing numbers, but Rodgers ran for over 300 yards and 4 TDs. Rodgers also came on really strong later in the season against some good defenses - MN, SEA, HOU and PHI. For one game, I'd rather have Rodgers. If Brady played the entire year, he'd be in the conversation.
Something else - Rodgers made Davante Adams fantasy relevant.
Shlon
Footballguy
Rodgers has been coming on lately but he was mediocre early on. He's been dinking the ball around (7.2 ypa) while Ryan may reach 5,000 yards with a 9.3 ypa (which is pretty insane to think about).
ZWK
Footballguy
When comparing quarterbacks, it's useful to look at how well each team's offense has done, since the QB is the leader of the offense.
The Atlanta Falcons lead the NFL in scoring with 502 points scored. Second place is the New Orleans Saints with 437 points. Rounding out the top 5 are Oakland, Dallas, and New England.
The Atlanta offense leads the NFL in SRS with +10.7 points per game above average. In second is New Orleans with +6.6, followed by Dallas, Green Bay, and Oakland.
The Atlanta offense leads the NFL in DVOA at 24.8%. In second is Dallas with 22.8%, followed by New England, Washington, and New Orleans.
The Atlanta offense leads the NFL in points per possession with 3.01. In second is New Orleans with 2.60, followed by Dallas, Green Bay, and Washington.
The Washington offense leads the NFL in yards per possession with 40.85. In second is Atlanta with 40.34, followed by New Orleans, Green Bay, and Dallas.
Seems like the leader of the Atlanta offense might be worth some serious consideration.
The Atlanta Falcons lead the NFL in scoring with 502 points scored. Second place is the New Orleans Saints with 437 points. Rounding out the top 5 are Oakland, Dallas, and New England.
The Atlanta offense leads the NFL in SRS with +10.7 points per game above average. In second is New Orleans with +6.6, followed by Dallas, Green Bay, and Oakland.
The Atlanta offense leads the NFL in DVOA at 24.8%. In second is Dallas with 22.8%, followed by New England, Washington, and New Orleans.
The Atlanta offense leads the NFL in points per possession with 3.01. In second is New Orleans with 2.60, followed by Dallas, Green Bay, and Washington.
The Washington offense leads the NFL in yards per possession with 40.85. In second is Atlanta with 40.34, followed by New Orleans, Green Bay, and Dallas.
Seems like the leader of the Atlanta offense might be worth some serious consideration.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Elliott is the betting favorite. i'll go with the odds and pick him.
Actually recent odds are as follows:
Brady +250
Ryan +250
Elliott +333
Rodgers +333
Everyone else is way behind. The MVP will be one of those 4, any other predictions for MVP are pointless. These are the 4 who have a legit shot.
Actually recent odds are as follows:
Brady +250
Ryan +250
Elliott +333
Rodgers +333
Everyone else is way behind. The MVP will be one of those 4, any other predictions for MVP are pointless. These are the 4 who have a legit shot.
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