Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Add 5-8 catches to that and he’ll he’ll put up nice points.
and I wouldn’t move him up my draft board at all. That’s my point. He’s cheap.
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and I wouldn’t move him up my draft board at all. That’s my point. He’s cheap.
Add 5-8 catches to that and he’ll he’ll put up nice points.
and I wouldn’t move him up my draft board at all. That’s my point. He’s cheap.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Look, I’m not starting the Tarik Cohen fan club over here. Patches & flags are expensive. I mean, I wouldn’t have to worry about the COVID gathering limitations, that’s true, but yeah.
I’m just sayin if Monty is hampered all year, Cohen’s a steal at his ADP
I’m just sayin if Monty is hampered all year, Cohen’s a steal at his ADP
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t mean pick him Way early. That was the hard cider typing.
I just mean late draft if you’re looking at marginal handcuffs. I’d put Cohen ahead of where he is now.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Also if anyone wants in on that fan club I’m not saying I’m opposed. We can skype or something. Call me? 
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
He's not a handcuff though. Cohen is and will remain a gadget back whether Monty is on the field or in a coma.
At that point in the draft, give me the potential for a HR (Murray, Mattison, Scott, Dillon, Pollard, Edmonds), not a solid single (Cohen).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
First, no - he’s not a handcuff. But he’s going to get more work than most of the handcuffs.
And most of those dudes all go ahead of him except maybe Edmonds & Dillon. Not sure where Scott’s going these days.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Figured we’d get together as a (modestly-sized yet incredibly dedicated) group & take a vote.
Milkman
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Neither of their QBs can convert a first down.
noted. I am a hot sauce maker and I endorse drunk posting.
lots and lots of dump-offs. Increased carries. He’s got a lot more opportunity than the handcuffs right now.
i know Cohen is Cohen. The triple digit targets should make him a PPR flex darling. But it’s Tarik Cohen, so...
all I know is he’s a very late pick because he gets no respect in FF circles - and he’s gonna outscore a lot of guys drafted earlier in PPR leagues over the next couple games at least.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
C.mon. I have ARob in dynasty, and while it's true he sometimes (constantly) throws behind his receivers, that have, in fact, converted a first down. I seent it.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'll take the Football Team over the Bears for total offense this year. And maybe by a lot.
C.mon. I have ARob in dynasty, and while it's true he sometimes (constantly) throws behind his receivers, that have, in fact, converted a first down. I seent it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Also, to those just joining this entertaining topic, and contrary to appearances, Tarik Cohen is not, in fact, my 2020 sleeper.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Man, you & @yoman...Bears fans are a salty bunch about their team these days. Can't say I blame you. That Trubisky is starting is a total head-scratcher.
ETA: Just stumbled onto this - it's from the "18 RBs I've changed my mind about" by Jason Wood
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
I have absolutely no clue what the bolded means. I have been salty about the Bears since at *least* grunge hit the scene. I almost stopped watching them when they hired John Fox a number of years ago. The last Bears QB I liked was Jim Harbaugh. The 2000s were fun, though, and then Cutler took them to the NFC Championship game, blew out his knee and Lovie Smith made me want to murder him for putting in Todd Collins.
Ugh ####### Bears. Yeah Cohen will not be near any of my teams. Dude cannot hit a crease to go north south if his life depended on it.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
They freaking signed Jimmy Graham as like their 8th TE.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
There used to be some disgruntled optimism beneath the seething hatred of ownership. Montgomery generated some mild draft day excitement - or perhaps merely a brief interlude from the general malaise.
OK, I was being kind.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
No no I know was just being snarkyThere used to be some disgruntled optimism beneath the seething hatred of ownership. Montgomery generated some mild draft day excitement - or perhaps merely a brief interlude from the general malaise.
OK, I was being kind.
Mark Football
Footballguy
I hear ya. I think he should be the third RB drafted that's all. People are sleeping on him a little bit.How is middle of second round Pick a sleeper?
Deamon
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
I also own/value Diontae Johnson everywhere as that kind of sleeper. But there are other WRs I see similar value to like Preston William's and Darius Slaton.
The two biggest sleeper/value candidates for their respective draft position for me are...
OJ Howard and Eric Ebron.
The two biggest sleeper/value candidates for their respective draft position for me are...
OJ Howard and Eric Ebron.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Not sure what qualifies as a sleeper these days, but I’ll throw Josh Allen in here. If you like to wait on QB, this guy has massive upside for a guy you can get in the 8th or 9th round after all of the big guys are gone. I love what they did in the offseason adding Diggs and drafting Moss. I think they are going to be a top offense and Allen has as good a chance of any QB you’re going to get at his price to finish top 5 at the position. I wasn’t really targeting him, but ended up with him on two teams because of the value I think he provides. I got him for $5 in a $300 auction. Ridiculous value IMO.
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candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
It's safe to say that last year Cohen was not being used properly, nothing like they did the season before. They were enamored with Montgomery, who struggled mightily.
Cohen is almost guaranteed a top 25 RB in PPR unless Nagy is looking to get fired. They have acknowledged that they need to use Cohen better while getting him the ball space with designed plays.
Cohen seems to be an ideal RB 4 around the round 8-9, him and P Lindsay are littered across my teams in those rounds.
rockaction
Footballguy
What exactly qualifies as a sleeper? Redraft sleeper? Guy you've never heard of?
I'm going to go with really deep guys that are rookies, fifth round draft choices or even later:
James Robinson, JAX
John Hightower, PHI
Quintez Cephus, DET
I'm going to go with really deep guys that are rookies, fifth round draft choices or even later:
James Robinson, JAX
John Hightower, PHI
Quintez Cephus, DET
zamboni
Footballguy
I like the Allen call given the new weapons you mentioned. My only concerns are that (1) he may not run as much - a key part of his fantasy success last year - with these new weapons; and (2) the defense may be good, providing a more conservative/ball control offense.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
my picks - mid rounds
- D Singletary - Moss hype is way out of control. Why would the Bills try to replace the guy they rode to the playoffs? I see a 60/40 split here, which could be good for both RB's.
- T Boyd - I just like his position to be a target monster as they chase points all year
- Cohen/Lindsay - I love these 2 backs as my RB4. I feel you can pop them in the lineup in an emergency situation as they carry a fairly high weekly floor in PPR.
round 10+
- J Crowder - a guy who could get 120+ targets this season is available at this point in the draft is a steal
- B Jarwin - Could easily be a top 10 TE this year. If you wait on TE this year, have this guy on your short list of late TE's
- G Olsen - he is essentially free in most drafts, don't be surprised to see a 4 for 60 and a TD after week 1. Can the foot stay healthy becomes the question.
- D Singletary - Moss hype is way out of control. Why would the Bills try to replace the guy they rode to the playoffs? I see a 60/40 split here, which could be good for both RB's.
- T Boyd - I just like his position to be a target monster as they chase points all year
- Cohen/Lindsay - I love these 2 backs as my RB4. I feel you can pop them in the lineup in an emergency situation as they carry a fairly high weekly floor in PPR.
round 10+
- J Crowder - a guy who could get 120+ targets this season is available at this point in the draft is a steal
- B Jarwin - Could easily be a top 10 TE this year. If you wait on TE this year, have this guy on your short list of late TE's
- G Olsen - he is essentially free in most drafts, don't be surprised to see a 4 for 60 and a TD after week 1. Can the foot stay healthy becomes the question.
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Man In The Box
Footballguy
All good points, especially about the defense being really good. I don’t think he’ll score 9 rushing TDs again, but he’s still going to run a bunch. He’s young and it’s part of his game. I just see a guy who was already a top ten QB in fantasy last year who only threw for 3100 yards and 20 pass TD. I definitely see a path for him to improve on those numbers. He’s pretty lousy at throwing downfield, not his strong suit. Diggs fits Allen’s skill set well as an intermediate route guy. They gave up a lot to get him, he’s going to have a big year.
Buffalo players overall are being undervalued in the drafts I’ve done so far IMO.
rockaction
Footballguy
I was targeting him late, but then picked a round or two ahead with a different guy exactly due to this. You're getting the uncertainty which allows you to wait on him, that's for sure. I don't trust it. Once that foot is wrecked this year, he's got a solid path to the broadcasting booth.
rockaction
Footballguy
Every time I read this thread title/headline title I feel like a woman's honor is being besmirched in some way. Don't know why, but I do.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Do tell...liking these high on Cam oh by the way I'm a NE guy type of takes.
(I roster him in dynasty. I'd flip him mid-season for a second and a solidly starting QB in return. I already was offered Goff for him, but demurred. I don't mean to undercut your prediction by calling you a NE guy, but it seems that's where the noise is coming from.)
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1) This is still New England. Belichick and McDaniels are still running the show. They are still going to win 9-10 games.
2) Defense taking a notable step back. This means higher scoring games.
3) Cam is healthy. Healthy Cam generally posts 500-600 and 5-10 TD on the ground. 550yds would have been #2 in QB Rushing last year. 5 RuTD would have been #4 in QB Rushing last year. Even assuming Belichick/McDaniels somehow don't play to his strengths, I think ~350/5 is his rushing floor and that's good for ~QB5 on the ground.
4) Cam is on a 1 year incentive-laden deal. This is Cam's 2nd NFL tryout. Contract year... Big year = Payday.
5) Chemistry was a concern but seems good. Cam talking about this being a "match made in heaven".
6) PFF grades them as the easiest QB schedule in the NFL.
7) Belichick is the master of squeezing value out of players, and playing/scheming to their strengths. This offense will be on Cam's shoulders.
FINAL POINT.
Between 2011-2018 (Cam's full seasons), Here is a list of QBs who have more top 12 weeks than Cam Newton:
1) Drew Brees
2) Tom Brady
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Chase Edmonds.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
In the true spirit of the thread, I’ll add James Robinson in Jacksonville. Armstead is a non factor at the moment and it sounds like they really like what they’ve seen from Robinson. He might have a chance at a nice workload. If they sign Freeman, forget about him in all likelihood though.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I like Ian Thomas this season as a legit TE1 at last two round prices. He’s flashed a bit in the past behind Olsen and his game meshes well with Bridgewater’s short passing acumen.
Given the new staff’s offensive philosophy and what should be a bottom five defense I’d expect a heavy passing attack in Carolina.
Given the new staff’s offensive philosophy and what should be a bottom five defense I’d expect a heavy passing attack in Carolina.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The only reason it makes sense is you can always pull Trubisky and switch to Foles who is used to coming in as a backup and taking over.
If you start Foles you’ve already lost Trubisky and there’s no going back.
They did overpay to move up one slot to draft Mitch (with Watson and Mahomes still on the board - so they do really need to try and make him work.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He was to much of a threat to accidentally win a game or two for Jacksonville. Looks for Minshu to be cut next.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
IMO, NE secondary even better this year than last year. LBs obviously weaker, but passing teams will struggle against NE. Teams that run will eat their lunch.
As I posted in other threads, if Cam runs the same amount as he used to, he will need 3500 passing yards to maybe reach the Top 5. I have a tough time slotting 3500 receiving yards to the guys they have on the roster. And what are the odds Cam plays 14, 15, 16 games?
i think the offense will flow through the RBs and ground game. Lots of long drives to keep the score down and wear down the opposing defense. More ground and pound and less passing.
