I was gonna say because there’s no money in it, but yours pretty well sums it up tooBecause they don’t care
When we watch a football game and see a player get his knee blown out and his foot is facing the wrong direction we think "Dam, that must hurt" but it really does not hurt us at all.I would love to know. It feels like gross negligence and misconduct at this point.
Great point. You’re exactly right IMO. McConnell in particular won’t move in any direction until he knows whether he will still be in charge.I do think the uncertainty of the Georgia Senate races has made negotiations more difficult.
Bernie Sanders @BernieSanders
Dec 11
Wages subsidized by the government during pandemic:
Canada – $2,000 a month
Japan – Up to 100%
Norway – Up to 90%
Germany – Up to 87%
France – Up to 84%
UK – Up to 80%
Italy – Up to 80%
US – 0.0%
That is an international embarrassment. The working class needs our help NOW!
Completely ignoring the millions of Americans with no source of income or severely limited income due to the pandemic.Bernie's tweet from Friday illustrates a fundamental difference of opinion as to the role of government:
Some say this is an absolute travesty. Others would say its a sign of strength - that we don't depend on government handouts.
This guy is a tool - sorry. He spouts off about "unscientific lockdowns" and tries to put the lack of relief bills on Pelosi. It is shameful. How many different bills have the dems passed in the house only to have it just sit on a desk - not even go up for debate. For Crenshaw to play the "Pelosi is beign political" card is ridiculous and completely ignores the reality of the situationWhen we watch a football game and see a player get his knee blown out and his foot is facing the wrong direction we think "Dam, that must hurt" but it really does not hurt us at all.
Same with Pelosi, Shumer and McConnell. They might think "Oh, people are hurting" but Nothing really impacts them on a personal level.
Dan Crenshaw torches Pelosi on the floor.
I don't always agree with Bernie, but he's spot on here.Bernie's tweet from Friday illustrates a fundamental difference of opinion as to the role of government:
Some say this is an absolute travesty. Others would say its a sign of strength - that we don't depend on government handouts.
That is true also.This guy is a tool - sorry. He spouts off about "unscientific lockdowns" and tries to put the lack of relief bills on Pelosi. It is shameful. How many different bills have the dems passed in the house only to have it just sit on a desk - not even go up for debate. For Crenshaw to play the "Pelosi is beign political" card is ridiculous and completely ignores the reality of the situation
Sanders' "data?"Restaurants and other small businesses are being pummeled by public health and safety initiatives leading to unemployed or underpaid employees struggling to pay rent/mortgages and the US govt cme up with a whopping $1200/ 6 months ago as a cure all and Now we are on the precipice of massive evictions and defaults while the govt fiddles. Looking at Sanders data I am infuriated and ashamed.
What do you call a bailout? We are constantly giving government handouts just not to citizens.Bernie's tweet from Friday illustrates a fundamental difference of opinion as to the role of government:
Some say this is an absolute travesty. Others would say its a sign of strength - that we don't depend on government handouts.
It also shows how dishonest american politicians are.Bernie's tweet from Friday illustrates a fundamental difference of opinion as to the role of government:
Some say this is an absolute travesty. Others would say its a sign of strength - that we don't depend on government handouts.
It also shows the ridiculousness of the bureaucracy involved in this. Just give the money directly to the people so that the folks not in the 26 states that have enacted these programs get some help.It also shows how dishonest american politicians are.
Eta: because bernie is lying when he says 0$.
Here are the people McConnell cares about. The people that got 84% of the tax cut while taxes went up for some of us and they got rid of the charitable contribution deduction. Don't give me the both sides nonsense either. The democratic House passed relief in May. He won't hear any of it without more protections for these people.I would love to know. It feels like gross negligence and misconduct at this point.
Was just typing this.People will get help ( UI supplements, Stimulus checks) when businesses get their bailouts (liability protection, Airline bailouts). Mitch McConnell knows who funds his campaign.
Maybe your soul would ache less if you actually understood what was going on.Here are the people McConnell cares about. The people that got 84% of the tax cut while taxes went up for some of us and they got rid of the charitable contribution deduction. Don't give me the both sides nonsense either. The democratic House passed relief in May. He won't hear any of it without more protections for these people.
Net Worth of U.S. Billionaires Has Soared by $1 Trillion—To Total of $4 Trillion—Since Pandemic Began
ONE TRILLION IN 9 MONTHS
To put 1 trillion in perspective that's more than $3000 for every man, woman and child in the US since the pandemic began. Meanwhile millions of Americans are out of work, hungry and facing eviction. It makes my soul ache.
I understand what is going on. Instead of helping those that need it, republicans passed new tax regulation to help billionaires, in a time of prosperity, instead of helping those that truly need it. Yes, that's why they have gained so much money in the last 9 months.Maybe your soul would ache less if you actually understood what was going on.
The net worth of billionaires has gone up during the pandemic because they own a substantial amount financial assets. Financial assets have ballooned in value because the Fed is printing money, driving interest rates to zero which makes cash worthless, and implementing quantitative easing.
Why is the Fed printing money? To fund stimulus checks and unemployment programs......that are going to.......millions of Americans who are out of work and hungry.
This is what happens when you have a $27 trillion national debt. Wealth inequality gets worse.
It's a big financial feedback loop that has occurred countless times throughout history and has nothing to do with McConnell.
And it was under the Obama administration that the Fed printing money became widely accepted as normal. Which jump started the wealth gap widening.I understand what is going on. Instead of helping those that need it, republicans passed new tax regulation to help billionaires, in a time of prosperity, instead of helping those that truly need it. Yes, that's why they have gained so much money in the last 9 months.
Rates in the US are much higher than other parts of the world, and we have a much higher Debt to GDP Ratio than most of them (Japan is the exception).Maybe your soul would ache less if you actually understood what was going on.
The net worth of billionaires has gone up during the pandemic because they own a substantial amount financial assets. Financial assets have ballooned in value because the Fed is printing money, driving interest rates to zero which makes cash worthless, and implementing quantitative easing.
Why is the Fed printing money? To fund stimulus checks and unemployment programs......that are going to.......millions of Americans who are out of work and hungry.
This is what happens when you have a $27 trillion national debt. Wealth inequality gets worse.
It's a big financial feedback loop that has occurred countless times throughout history and has nothing to do with McConnell.
McConnell is today’s problem. He may not have have started it, but he is facilitating it today and it’s disgusting.It's a big financial feedback loop that has occurred countless times throughout history and has nothing to do with McConnell
My post was strictly addressing the linkages among printing money, monetizing debt and the ever-increasing wealth gap. These are more a function of a country's overall financial health / monetary policies and less to do with individual politicians, or even political parties.JAA said:McConnell is today’s problem. He may not have have started it, but he is facilitating it today and it’s disgusting.
We need to stop corporations from socializing losses and privatizing profits. We must incentivize corporation resiliency, not corporation efficiency.
And yet Republicans made gains and are likely to retain the Senate. I agree with everything you said, but average Joe checking R's down his ballot just doesn't care. Even if he's ground zero out of work, without health insurance and a month late on rent. His entire political platform may be disagreement with mask mandates. We get the politicians we deserve.JAA said:McConnell is today’s problem. He may not have have started it, but he is facilitating it today and it’s disgusting.
This isn’t correct, though. He may argue that unemployment benefits aren’t high enough but they are greater than $0. And were specifically increased during the first 6 months of COVID.Bernie's tweet from Friday illustrates a fundamental difference of opinion as to the role of government:
Some say this is an absolute travesty. Others would say its a sign of strength - that we don't depend on government handouts.
This is the messaging problem hyperbole causes. He said 0%......we had like $480 billion go directly to individuals (which is what he's talking about...payments to individuals) right? In 2019 we had like 18.5 trillion in wages. That's like .002%. If one wants to argue "that's not zero", fine go for it and ignore the overall point
That seems to be his point....these other countries have been supporting their workers as they demand they stay in place. Our country really hasn't and several of those have given the support regardless of impact. Yeah, it could be better framed and more nuance given to individual countries, but no matter how we slice it, our response/support directly to individuals has been abysmal. If we want to bump that to 1% support (which would be incredibly generous) we'd still be found wanting. That's the overall point I think he's trying to make.That's total wages. Not wages lost due to COVID. Or even wages lost period. Much of that $18.5 trillion was still earned. What's the highest unemployment got to in the US? Like 15%?
His numbers are jacked. They aren't consistent. And that hurts his overall point.That seems to be his point....these other countries have been supporting their workers as they demand they stay in place. Our country really hasn't and several of those have given the support regardless of impact. Yeah, it could be better framed and more nuance given to individual countries, but no matter how we slice it, our response/support directly to individuals has been abysmal. If we want to bump that to 1% support (which would be incredibly generous) we'd still be found wanting. That's the overall point I think he's trying to make.
This, I agree with and what I meant with my comment about hyperbole. That said, we don't want to do an apples/apples comparison here...we're woefully behind everyone, once again, no matter how we slice it. And there are still thousands of people in my state who have YET to see a dime of unemployment. My state can't be the only one.His numbers are jacked. They aren't consistent. And that hurts his overall point.
I suspect he's right - those other countries probably did pay unemployed workers more. But when he says, for example, Canada was $2000 per month - so was the US for 6 months (when you combine state and fed unemployment contributions).
So maybe his overall point is correct - but he certainly can't point to made up numbers to support it.
Why haven't they gotten unemployment? If you already explained and I missed it, my apologies.This, I agree with and what I meant with my comment about hyperbole. That said, we don't want to do an apples/apples comparison here...we're woefully behind everyone, once again, no matter how we slice it. And there are still thousands of people in my state who have YET to see a dime of unemployment. My state can't be the only one.
Because the system here sucks and is riddled with programming issues. My 13 year old could have written something better. I genuinely believe this is by design. It's a feature.Why haven't they gotten unemployment? If you already explained and I missed it, my apologies.
He flat out lied. Not hyperbole.This, I agree with and what I meant with my comment about hyperbole. That said, we don't want to do an apples/apples comparison here...we're woefully behind everyone, once again, no matter how we slice it. And there are still thousands of people in my state who have YET to see a dime of unemployment. My state can't be the only one.
I’m not sure the is any root of all evil. There are a bunch of enablers for which MM is a huge one.My post was strictly addressing the linkages among printing money, monetizing debt and the ever-increasing wealth gap. These are more a function of a country's overall financial health / monetary policies and less to do with individual politicians, or even political parties.JAA said:McConnell is today’s problem. He may not have have started it, but he is facilitating it today and it’s disgusting.
We need to stop corporations from socializing losses and privatizing profits. We must incentivize corporation resiliency, not corporation efficiency.
Going forward, hopefully the U.S. can better coordinate fiscal and monetary policy to more directly get printed money in the hands of lower income folks... vs. feeding the financial asset bubble and wealth inequalities further.
I'm not a huge fan of McConnell...but also realize that in this forum he and Trump are the root of all evil so will just let it go at that
Vote local and vote normal people. Being a politician is not supposed to be a career.Unfortunately not enough careJAA said:Some do
Have US citizens been getting $2400/month?He flat out lied. Not hyperbole.
2000 canadian is much less than 2400 US.
Have canadians been getting 2000?Have US citizens been getting $2400/month?