Why are rookie drafts nfl-style (straight) instead of serpintine? (1 Viewer)

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Just curious as to any reasoning behind doing it this way.

Does / Would your opinion change if the rookie draft is held after the vet draft in a dynasty startup?

 

[dgreen]

Are you referring to a start-up league in its first season?

 

[SSOG]

Drafts in redraft leagues are serpentine because they're supposed to be fair. Rookie drafts in dynasty leagues are non-serpentine because they *AREN'T* supposed to be fair. They're *SUPPOSED* to give the bad teams an advantage. It's a parity mechanism.

Edit: Also, in a dynasty startup, the only really fair way to do it is to include rookies with the veterans and draft them all together in the startup draft. Having a separate rookie and veteran draft gives too much of an advantage to the person with the #1 overall rookie pick, because the quality of the rookies drops off a lot quicker than the quality of the vets. Picking the first rookie off the board is akin to getting an extra 3rd round pick. Picking the 10th rookie off the board is akin to getting an extra 12th round pick. JMHO.

 

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Are you referring to a start-up league in its first season?

yes. before any games have been played.

 

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Drafts in redraft leagues are serpentine because they're supposed to be fair. Rookie drafts in dynasty leagues are non-serpentine because they *AREN'T* supposed to be fair. They're *SUPPOSED* to give the bad teams an advantage. It's a parity mechanism.

so in a startup that separates the vet and rookie drafts, both should be serpintine?

 

[kremenull]

Drafts in redraft leagues are serpentine because they're supposed to be fair. Rookie drafts in dynasty leagues are non-serpentine because they *AREN'T* supposed to be fair. They're *SUPPOSED* to give the bad teams an advantage. It's a parity mechanism.Edit: Also, in a dynasty startup, the only really fair way to do it is to include rookies with the veterans and draft them all together in the startup draft. Having a separate rookie and veteran draft gives too much of an advantage to the person with the #1 overall rookie pick, because the quality of the rookies drops off a lot quicker than the quality of the vets. Picking the first rookie off the board is akin to getting an extra 3rd round pick. Picking the 10th rookie off the board is akin to getting an extra 12th round pick. JMHO.

THIS......

 

[dgreen]

Edit: Also, in a dynasty startup, the only really fair way to do it is to include rookies with the veterans and draft them all together in the startup draft.

Yep. Not sure why you'd do it any other way.

 

[gandalas]

In our initial draft, we had the rookies and vets separate, but both were serpentine. The rookie was in reverse order of the vet draft, so the #1 vet drafter picked #12 rookie, and vice versa.

I did not decide this, but I definitely enjoyed picking #11 in the vet draft. I got MJD at 1.11, and Calvin Johnson at 1.2 in the rookie...

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Drafts in redraft leagues are serpentine because they're supposed to be fair. Rookie drafts in dynasty leagues are non-serpentine because they *AREN'T* supposed to be fair. They're *SUPPOSED* to give the bad teams an advantage. It's a parity mechanism.

so in a startup that separates the vet and rookie drafts, both should be serpintine?

We had them separate, and yes the only year we did a serpentine rookie draft was in the first year. We drew draft slots and if you got #1 overall for the vet draft, you received the 12th pick in the rookie draft, and so on.One of the most established dynasty leagues (Zealots) does it this way.

 

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Drafts in redraft leagues are serpentine because they're supposed to be fair. Rookie drafts in dynasty leagues are non-serpentine because they *AREN'T* supposed to be fair. They're *SUPPOSED* to give the bad teams an advantage. It's a parity mechanism.Edit: Also, in a dynasty startup, the only really fair way to do it is to include rookies with the veterans and draft them all together in the startup draft. Having a separate rookie and veteran draft gives too much of an advantage to the person with the #1 overall rookie pick, because the quality of the rookies drops off a lot quicker than the quality of the vets. Picking the first rookie off the board is akin to getting an extra 3rd round pick. Picking the 10th rookie off the board is akin to getting an extra 12th round pick. JMHO.

understood.the reason being two fold: first, rookies aren't in the system yet. second, concerns expressed by league members that not knowing where rookies have been drafted is relying on incomplete information (which, imo, is more akin to a redraft way of thinking).i suppose to get around the first issue, we can use placeholders.thanks.

 

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Drafts in redraft leagues are serpentine because they're supposed to be fair. Rookie drafts in dynasty leagues are non-serpentine because they *AREN'T* supposed to be fair. They're *SUPPOSED* to give the bad teams an advantage. It's a parity mechanism.

so in a startup that separates the vet and rookie drafts, both should be serpintine?

We had them separate, and yes the only year we did a serpentine rookie draft was in the first year. We drew draft slots and if you got #1 overall for the vet draft, you received the 12th pick in the rookie draft, and so on.One of the most established dynasty leagues (Zealots) does it this way.

that was our plan as well.

 

[dgreen]

second, concerns expressed by league members that not knowing where rookies have been drafted is relying on incomplete information (which, imo, is more akin to a redraft way of thinking).

Just wait until after the NFL draft.

 

[SSOG]

In our initial draft, we had the rookies and vets separate, but both were serpentine. The rookie was in reverse order of the vet draft, so the #1 vet drafter picked #12 rookie, and vice versa.I did not decide this, but I definitely enjoyed picking #11 in the vet draft. I got MJD at 1.11, and Calvin Johnson at 1.2 in the rookie...

We did our startup that way, too. In hindsight, it was definitely a mistake. Like I said, the dropoff is so extreme from the top half of the rookie draft and the bottom half of the rookie draft.

understood.the reason being two fold: first, rookies aren't in the system yet. second, concerns expressed by league members that not knowing where rookies have been drafted is relying on incomplete information (which, imo, is more akin to a redraft way of thinking).i suppose to get around the first issue, we can use placeholders.thanks.

I say either suck it up and tell them to draft rookies before they know what team they're going to... or else push the startup draft until after the NFL draft. Separating the rookies from the vets creates a definite advantage for the people with the top rookie picks.

 

[Black]

Rookie drafts in dynasty leagues are non-serpentine because they *AREN'T* supposed to be fair. They're *SUPPOSED* to give the bad teams an advantage. It's a parity mechanism.

We have our Rookie / FA draft setup this way, for this reason.Also, to start our dynasty league, we did a rookie/vet Auction.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Drafts in redraft leagues are serpentine because they're supposed to be fair. Rookie drafts in dynasty leagues are non-serpentine because they *AREN'T* supposed to be fair. They're *SUPPOSED* to give the bad teams an advantage. It's a parity mechanism.Edit: Also, in a dynasty startup, the only really fair way to do it is to include rookies with the veterans and draft them all together in the startup draft. Having a separate rookie and veteran draft gives too much of an advantage to the person with the #1 overall rookie pick, because the quality of the rookies drops off a lot quicker than the quality of the vets. Picking the first rookie off the board is akin to getting an extra 3rd round pick. Picking the 10th rookie off the board is akin to getting an extra 12th round pick. JMHO.

understood.the reason being two fold: first, rookies aren't in the system yet. second, concerns expressed by league members that not knowing where rookies have been drafted is relying on incomplete information (which, imo, is more akin to a redraft way of thinking).i suppose to get around the first issue, we can use placeholders.thanks.

Just start your vet draft ASAP without any rookies allowed to be drafted. Then you can wait until the rookies are drafted to have your rookie draft in May or the summer.