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Why can't some things just be accidents? (Cruise toddler lawsuit) (3 Viewers)
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culdeus
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The courts there basically offered him a way to plea no-contest and avoid jail time and he declined.
I found the video on a gawker type site, not going to link it here, and looked again. I don't know what to take away from that except his whole "I can't believe teh window was open" defense is just beyond stupid.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
As far as I can tell, you are seeing/hearing things that just aren't there.parasaurolophus said:
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
You are wrong.
CBS has only showed photos of the deck/windows from the family. Has only spoke about the footage that was shown to them by the attorney. They have never had the video in their possession prior to its public release. They gave a factually inaccurate account of what happened in the video. Now that it is publicly available they refuse to show any of it, even him sticking his head out the window (could easily stop showing before she fell) and could show how he let go with one arm correcting their earlier inaccurate version. They have only relayed information about the ship's warnings given to them from the attorney. They presented an exclusive sneak peak of the lawsuit talking points, some of which are factually incorrect or misleading.
I am also pretty certain they have stated that they are all in agreement that there shouldn't be charges. One of them for sure referred to the charges as an insult.
That's not a news station. That's a PR team.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Being colorblind doesn't make things that are whatever color(s) you struggle with invisible.For example if you looked at a white piece of paper or even a transparency that had the number 74 on it in red and you were colorblind for red, you would still know it had a 74 on it clear as day. If I wore a red suit and tried to sneak up on you, you would punch me in the face and ask why I was wearing a weird brown body suit.
Most importantly It is irrelevant when you literally stick your head out the window.
bigbottom
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
There are two angles out there. One is very tough to watch. The one bradyfan linked is the one where you actually cant see her drop from view. But i understand not wanting to even see her. If you watch it from the 14 second mark and stop at the 24 second mark you wont even see Chloe and you can see Anello approach the window and then lean out through it before he picks her up.
There cant be reasonable debate once you watch that video about whether or not he knew there was glass. It is just that obvious.
JaxBill
Footballguy
More cruise ships in the news
@BruinMatthew: Carnival Glory just crashed into Carnival Legend and almost crashed into Oasis of the Seas at the Cozumel cruise port. #FoxNews #RoyalCaribbean #CarnivalLegend #CarnivalGlory #OasisoftheSeas https://twitter.com/BruinMatthew/status/1208031005644341248/video/1
@BruinMatthew: Carnival Glory just crashed into Carnival Legend and almost crashed into Oasis of the Seas at the Cozumel cruise port. #FoxNews #RoyalCaribbean #CarnivalLegend #CarnivalGlory #OasisoftheSeas https://twitter.com/BruinMatthew/status/1208031005644341248/video/1
belljr
Footballguy
Holy crap thats crazy - i've never seen multiple ship moving at once. Not sure how they were both going at the same time. usually all are docked but the one moving
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Is he still trying to peddle the story that he picked her up to bang on the glass?
This is of course such a tragic story and despite his negligence you would have to feel terrible for the old man - but this lawsuit makes you feel just a tad less sympathetic for the family, unfortunately.
culdeus
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Yes the whole family is pushing that narrative. Here is the NBC today broadcast where they say that if the windows said on them "Caution these windows open" that Chloe would still be here today. One of the dumber statements if you really think about it. Where exactly do they want that printed? On the safety railing that you aren't supposed to sit on? On the glass that would have been moved to the side? On the sill in small letters?
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
The video bradyfan posted doesn't show anything graphic or really anything of the kid other than him picking her up. It does show that the family's story is obviously hogwash though as he clearly leans out the window (for a good little while) before picking the kid up. He 100% knew it was an open window unless he thought of himself as some kind of wizard that can pass through glass.
I'm sure the family is just desperately grabbing for something here to somewhat absolve the grandfather of some of the responsibility. Not that it's fair to the cruiseline who had no fault here but man I don't know how I could go on living if I did something like that. I'm sure the dude has some serious mental issues going on right now and who knows, maybe he's convinced himself that's what really happened as some kind of coping mechanism.
I'm sure the family is just desperately grabbing for something here to somewhat absolve the grandfather of some of the responsibility. Not that it's fair to the cruiseline who had no fault here but man I don't know how I could go on living if I did something like that. I'm sure the dude has some serious mental issues going on right now and who knows, maybe he's convinced himself that's what really happened as some kind of coping mechanism.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Yea, I could see where suing the the cruise line and keeping the story front page news would help him get over his grief and move past the tragedy. I am guessing this family isn't a clan of renowned rocket scientists?FreeBaGeL said:
I think at this point that their lawyer is just hoping that they’ll get a settlement so there isn’t a trial. They’ll keep it going until they know there’s no chance.
shadyridr
Footballguy
There's a video.
It clearly shows the grandfather is a liar. He stuck his head out the window first and then lifted his granddaughter and stuck her out the window. He should be found guilty of his charges.
https://nypost.com/2020/01/19/video-shows-grandfather-dangle-chloe-wiegand-before-fatal-fall-on-cruise-ship/
It clearly shows the grandfather is a liar. He stuck his head out the window first and then lifted his granddaughter and stuck her out the window. He should be found guilty of his charges.
https://nypost.com/2020/01/19/video-shows-grandfather-dangle-chloe-wiegand-before-fatal-fall-on-cruise-ship/
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culdeus
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
I feel like I've seen the guy looking out the window then chucking her right after before.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
I think more video has been released from about a dozen different angles. They all seem to back up the cruise line.
Galileo
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
It was previously leaked. Now it was outright released by Royal Caribbean as well as still photos. So still news since previously RC had been mum. Although it isnt like they took it to press, it was part of their legal filing in response to the money grubbing family and attorney.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
It seems a guilty plea is forthcoming.
I wonder how that will affect the lawsuit against the cruise line.
I wonder how that will affect the lawsuit against the cruise line.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
He got no jail time, he did not have to agree to any facts of the case, and the family can still proceed with their negligence lawsuit against the cruise line. So basically he admitted he did it but still is saying it wasn’t his fault and he only got probation. The grandfather said he just wanted the whole thing to be over with, yet their attorney is still going full steam ahead with the family’s lawsuit. That doesn’t sound like they are putting it behind them.
culdeus
Footballguy
The attorney probably is working on some sort of % takeout agreement, and the family at this point has nothing to do with the case except to potentially cash a check.
The guy that dropped the baby out the window wouldn't be entitled to the money, it's the family of the baby I would imagine.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I don’t want to get into the particulars of this case; I have an opinion on culpability but tbh none of us knows enough details to state it with certainty.
I would, however, like to say a word about lawsuits. Specifically, from the perspective of a plaintiff.
We lost my mom 9 years ago this week. She was 71. Ten days before she suffered a massive stroke, she was out with my niece’s wedding party until 4am. Vivacious, lively, affirming, she spent her life championing and coaching other women.
The grieving process was the hardest thing I had ever gone through. Still is - and I’ve had some pretty crazy life events (combat, homelessness, et al.)
A year, maybe 18 months later, my sister reached out to a lawyer. We knew she was on on a new blood thinner, Pradaxa, for about 6 months before her demise. Heart attack at age 50, quintuple bypass surgery a few years later, and from 2006-11 she lived with an aneurysm sitting on top of her aortic valve (they measured it every 3 months to monitor if it was thinning.) We always figured it would be the Heart. Complete WTH thing when she suffered a stroke.
Turns out when Pradaxa was initially approved (Oct 2010), there was no specific way to reverse the anticoagulant effect of Pradaxa in the event of a major bleeding event (unlike for warfarin, the drug she was on previously.) The pharmaceutical giant Boehringer Ingelheim, a German company which is the largest privately held drug maker, knew that. They’ve since developed an antidote and issued an advisory to monitor patients at risk (especially older folks.) But they were pot committed to a huge marketing campaign and sold the drug for five years. It was supposed to lessen the risk of stroke. In fact it became the very thing that caused bleeding on her brain. The mother####ers knew that would happen and they suppressed the information (there was some wild stuff that came out during discovery...recovered internal emails from servers they tried to destroy.)
Anyway....2014 they settled for $650 million to 3,900 claimants. We were in the second wave of payments, lawyers got 1/3rd. Split 4 ways amongst the children. Each of us got around $60K.
What do you do with that? It’s blood money. Hardly a bump in the road for Boeringer. They sell $1.75 billion of Pradaxa per year. Ten years running.
Oldest sister took her five kids and all the grandchildren on a dream vacation to Disney World, stayed on site, flew first class. Brother build a new pole building and did a modest remodel to his house. The other sister paid off her house (her refrigerator factory employee had closed & moved to Mexico, she had retrained as a physical therapist.)
I put mine in my daughter’s 529. I’m good, just didn’t feel right using it for anything on myself. It doesn’t lessen the hurt. I would have gladly paid someone twice that much if they could have kept her alive long enough for my youngest to remember her.
Lawsuits. What are they good for? Serious Q.
culdeus
Footballguy
the rover
Footballguy
Basically they said it was entirely his fault and that Royal Caribbean did not breach any duty because it was such an obvious danger. If anything, that makes him more negligent.
culdeus
Footballguy
Yeah, I mean the fact that he more or less pled on it made his case weaker. I understand they shouldn't rule on such things but there's no way it didn't factor.
the rover
Footballguy
Meh. It was a clear and obvious danger. Super sad story, but seriously? It's an open window. Do we really need signs saying "don't hold a toddler out of an open window?"
culdeus
Footballguy
I'm agreeing, but the grandfather pled guilty to negligence to speed this trial along so the family could sue the cruise ship. I'm saying this was a really dumb idea to plea guilty.
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