Yours (imo) but most balcony cabins would have you falling onto another section of the ship....not the water.Cruise I am going on has me in a balcony cabin (look at me) and if I fall overboard, whose fault is it?
at this point it is actually eeomans fault its crazy how things come around like that take that to the bank brohanCruise I am going on has me in a balcony cabin (look at me) and if I fall overboard, whose fault is it?
Not sure how the Puerto Rican justice system works and if there are jury trials or not. I am guessing this is Puerto Rico protecting the cruise industry and this will be settled when they drop their lawsuit with the cruise line. Or maybe there is video and he screwed up.Agreed. From the CNN story: "...prosecutors allege that Anello "negligently exposed [his granddaughter] through one of the windows," according to a statement from the Puerto Rican Department of Justice."
I think you nailed it. There may be video of this guy doing something very stupid with his granddaughter and shes slipped out of his grasp.
ETA: I've been on several cruises in the last few years and I have been noticing more and more cameras on deck. Probably to capture the drunk morons who fall overboard, as well as something like this.
There was a dead toddler on the ground. They dont need video.Not sure how the Puerto Rican justice system works and if there are jury trials or not. I am guessing this is Puerto Rico protecting the cruise industry and this will be settled when they drop their lawsuit with the cruise line. Or maybe there is video and he screwed up.
Ding ding ding.Not sure how the Puerto Rican justice system works and if there are jury trials or not. I am guessing this is Puerto Rico protecting the cruise industry and this will be settled when they drop their lawsuit with the cruise line. Or maybe there is video and he screwed up.
Really? Most ads I see on TV make it seem all rooms you could cannonball quite easily.Yours (imo) but most balcony cabins would have you falling onto another section of the ship....not the water.
Here's a close up of the actual ship on the right. And another. You go over the edge and you are either splattered on the pier or in the drink.
That picture is a good illustration for what i think happened. I think he was looking down at the people. His lawyer answering the question about why did he lean forward with the baby said something like obviously to get a better view. Well the only view you improve by leaning forward is of the ground.Here's a close up of the actual ship on the right. And another. You go over the edge and you are either splattered on the pier or in the drink.
I could be mistaken but I thought most balcony rooms were/are sloped slightly so you would hit a deck, maybe another balcony, or the life raft down below. I agree that some ships it looks like it is straight down from your balcony to the water.
There are some, but probably not "most". I recall one or two older ships from cruises I took a couple decades ago where looking down from the balcony you would see the muster stations directly below. From higher up though, it wouldn't take much horizontal velocity at all for a trajectory to clear those, but a pretty straight drop would have hit deck or life boat. So they do exist this way, but I don't know how common it is.I could be mistaken but I thought most balcony rooms were/are sloped slightly so you would hit a deck, maybe another balcony, or the life raft down below. I agree that some ships it looks like it is straight down from your balcony to the water.
I was thinking something like this (granted, this is the rear of the ship but you get the idea):
https://cruiseradio.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/HAVANA-BALCONY-A.jpg
They walk over to the wall of windows where Anello appears to look over the railing, through the open window. Anello picks Chloe up and stands her up on the railing, and they appear to lean over together looking out over the port.
Then he re-adjusts and sits Chloe on the railing, still facing the port. They lean over again and she disappears from the frame.
That's how the higher up and rear balconies are.I could be mistaken but I thought most balcony rooms were/are sloped slightly so you would hit a deck, maybe another balcony, or the life raft down below. I agree that some ships it looks like it is straight down from your balcony to the water.
I was thinking something like this (granted, this is the rear of the ship but you get the idea):
https://cruiseradio.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/HAVANA-BALCONY-A.jpg
Maybe, possible the attorney didn't have all the information, just the account from the family.Another video of the deck this happened on. Pretty obvious what is open or closed.
I wonder if this attorney really screwed this family. He was so aggressive in blaming the cruise ship and threw a lot of crap against the wall. Had they quietly just said it was an accident and they are grieving, I don't see this going to charges. His actions all but forced a pretty through investigation and legitimate answers.
There is just no real reason to charge this man with any crime," said Michael Winkleman, a civil attorney representing Chloe's parents. "You could make an argument that whoever opened that window should be charged with a crime, not Sam."Maybe, possible the attorney didn't have all the information, just the account from the family.
Because we are the most sue happy country in the world. I've gone to school with guys from other countries and have an aunt from Bulgaria and her and her family couldn't believe how much we sue in this country. It's greed for money and people not wanting to take accountability of their actions. Working in a supermarket I see people trying to get away with stuff constantly. You put wet floor signs up and do everything to block an area a spill is in and try to clean it up. Despite telling people to please go around or go the other way they simple walk over the dam spill like they think "well if I fall I can get a lawsuit".I get the impression here that the family is looking to sue the cruise line...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/09/us/cruise-ship-toddler-attorney-press-conference/index.html
https://www.lipcon.com/maritime-attorneys/michael-winkleman/
Sad.
I think the family is just desperate for some reason, any reason, to make this not his fault. Their lawyer is scum imo.Footage is out there. This guy is just an awful human.
Their lawyer is absolutely scummy. He just blatantly lies and edited the video when he sent it to news stations.I think the family is just desperate for some reason, any reason, to make this not his fault. Their lawyer is scum imo.
I have no idea which "the media" you are watching, but ABC News isn't reporting it this way. Neither is CBS News.The media is fairly disgusting regarding this incident too. They are 100% on board with the narrative of it being the fault of the cruise ship.
Is there video out that really proves anything?I think the family is just desperate for some reason, any reason, to make this not his fault. Their lawyer is scum imo.
CBS news absolutely is.I have no idea which "the media" you are watching, but ABC News isn't reporting it this way. Neither is CBS News.
-Tony DokoupilIs it reasonable for a parent to have expected there to be glass there in that window? From what I have heard from you, seems pretty reasonable to me. I have yet to see anything that would overturn the family's account
The surveillance footage.Is there video out that really proves anything?
Is there new one that was released? The one I saw wasn't like he just chucked the kid out the window.The surveillance footage.
Ah, I thought you were talking in the context of the family's suit against the cruise line.Is there new one that was released? The one I saw wasn't like he just chucked the kid out the window.
The one that got released I believe was in that context, to in part show that he couldn't tell that there was no glass in the section he was near. I don't feel like it conclusively showed he was misled, or malicious in that moment. Mostly that he was a genuine #######.Ah, I thought you were talking in the context of the family's suit against the cruise line.
You can clearly see he stuck his head out the window before he picked her up. What video did you see?The one that got released I believe was in that context, to in part show that he couldn't tell that there was no glass in the section he was near. I don't feel like it conclusively showed he was misled, or malicious in that moment. Mostly that he was a genuine #######.
Exactly, I guess I phrased this wrong. It seemed like he was well aware there was no glass and pulled the kid up to that window for that specific reason, not for the reason to chuck the kid out the window.You can clearly see he stuck his head out the window before he picked her up. What video did you see?
Evidence of this? I haven't seen it. Mostly what I see is that they don't want to shame/blame a family that lost it's child.CBS news absolutely is.
I've seen some commentary that the released video was edited by that lovely lawyer they hired. I haven't seen any unedited footage that I know of. Do you have a link?The one that got released I believe was in that context, to in part show that he couldn't tell that there was no glass in the section he was near. I don't feel like it conclusively showed he was misled, or malicious in that moment. Mostly that he was a genuine #######.
The quote in my post is from cbs news.Evidence of this? I haven't seen it. Mostly what I see is that they don't want to shame/blame a family that lost it's child.
That isn't what is being reported on their evening newcast. Perhaps he's expressng an opinion here.The quote in my post is from cbs news.
the link was posted here, in this thread and if it's deleted it was likely a moderator action.I've seen some commentary that the released video was edited by that lovely lawyer they hired. I haven't seen any unedited footage that I know of. Do you have a link?
Cbs news has had most of the exclusives from this story. They have allowed the family to put their case out there with little questioning in exchange for the scoop.That isn't what is being reported on their evening newcast. Perhaps he's expressng an opinion here.
In any event, their is no unilateral "media" reporting.
I think your quote was from the end of this news report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqS_55470SwCBS news absolutely is.
-Tony Dokoupil
Again, here's the report from which you pulled your quote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqS_55470SwCbs news has had most of the exclusives from this story. They have allowed the family to put their case out there with little questioning in exchange for the scoop.
That is bad reporting.
Then the coverage and tweeting of the family's press conference by multiple outlets which had no question and answer period. That's literally just acting as a platform for them.
If you are going to give the story extended air time, you have to actually cover it properly. If you want to give the family of a dead child space that is fine and should actually be the correct path.
It is completely ridiculous though to just be the mouthpiece if the family and their attorney.
Either pass on the story or fully cover it. Only acceptable options for a responsible media.
The video was provided by the family attorney and played at 8 times speed. They posted only a photo provided by the attorney which was a video still from a tour of the 11th deck. It purposely left out the other windows from view to hide how obvious the tint is. The video it is from is easily available on youtube.Again, here's the report from which you pulled your quote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqS_55470Sw
I don't think this report is an example of CBS "literally just acting as a platform for them" or "being a mouthpiece of the family and their attorney." The reporter who saw the video explained in detail what he saw depicted. He did not conclude that it was the cruise ship's fault. He also directly questioned the lawyer about the grandfather leaning over the rail. He also questioned him how the grandfather could prove that he thought there was gfass there. And contrary to your quote (which was indeed in support of the family's position), the other guy at the table said that from the picture, it was obvious that the glass was missing (though he conceded that it may have looked different from the grandfather's angle). Note also that they lead off the report with photos of the toddler and the grandfather with huge bold red letters "CHARGED WITH NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE." That's not a really-family friendly opening to the news report. In that regard, it's worth keeping in mind that the context of this news report is the criminal charge that has been brought against the grandfather (it's my understanding that the video was provided in connection with the criminal proceeding). The cruise line isn't charged in the criminal trial as far as I'm aware. Just because one doesn’t think that the cruise line should be held civilly liable doesn’t mean the grandfather should be convicted and go to jail.
All in all, I thought it was a very fair report, particularly because the cruise ship declined comment and the reporter was thus unable to present their statement regarding the video. Watching the news report, I wouldn't characterize CBS as disgusting, fairly or otherwise.