Why do I/we dislike Brady Quinn so much? (1 Viewer)

[Colin Dowling]

I'm confused as to how Jamarcus Russell didn't fare well against great talent in college? He had one game all year (Florida) with a sub-100 passer rating.

u really need to get your head out of the NFL sand. College passer ratings above 100 are basically like pass/fail classes. it doesn't take alot to to have a passer rating above 100 in college.

What number/stat would you be more comfortable with in trying to quantify that Russell was poor against good competition?

 

[C Boswell]

u do not like him b/c televsiion and radio guys told you not to like him.

Ha. Yes, it's really unfair how brutalized he's getting by the national media.

funny yes. but people do not have the balls to goi with what their gut is telling them. in the end, FF owners will go with what"the expert" told them. seen it way too many times and so have you.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

If Brady can't lead a "good" college team to big wins, how will he hold up when he's drafted by a horrible NFL team then?

Put anyone other than Quinn on that team and NBC is considering dropping them from weekly coverage. They were only good because he made them good.

I think that Jimmy Clausen will show you that is a GROSS mis-statement.

...and in 4 years you'll be telling me how overrated Clausen is, too.

That's not something I can possibly know now. I expect Clausen to be very good. My point was that the notion that Notre Dame was somehow "saved" by the presence of Brady QUinn was what I was in disagreement of.

I agree. Could it be that Brady Quinn was saved by having a first round WR and an offensive genius for a head coach at his disposal? It's entirely possible that Brady walks into a situation with a worse wr AND head coach than what he had in college. Is Quinn enough of a difference-maker to warrant a top 5-10 pick? I know I'm not sold...

 

[Slinger]

This is why Quinn would scare me if I were a Raiders, Lions or Browns fan:

Career vs. Top 25 teams

8 wins 10 losses

54% completions

6.3 Yards Per Pass Attempt

19 Interceptions

Didn't those teams score 30+ points, on average, versus ND's defense?

 

[GroveDiesel]

I think that both QBs are overrated. I think that Quinn has major accuracy issues and gets rattled under pressure. I'm not convinced at all that Russell will be able to read NFL defenses. Of the two, I think Russell can have more success as long as he's in the right system and has athletic WRs. And I think the thing that bugs me about Quinn is his seeming smugness. That seems to be the major thing rubbing most people the wrong way. He comes across as acting as if he is somehow entitled to be the #1 pick because that's what everyone was saying going into the season last year.

So hate him because of his perceived "smugness". Hate him because you hate the attention his overrated ND team got.But acknowledge the talent the kid has.

He has an NFL calibre arm, good size, decent mobility and from all reports is a good student of the game and film room guy. But I'm not sold on him as a leader, I think that he has accuracy issues, can get rattled and throws balls that he shouldn't throw at times. Those things can all be worked on and he could grow into an NFL QB, but everyone that is high on him seems to think that he's NFL-ready and he's just not. I think that he's going to take some time to adjust to the speed of the NFL. Most QBs do, but I think it will take him several years if he's ever going to get it to slow down for him.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I think that both QBs are overrated. I think that Quinn has major accuracy issues and gets rattled under pressure. I'm not convinced at all that Russell will be able to read NFL defenses. Of the two, I think Russell can have more success as long as he's in the right system and has athletic WRs. And I think the thing that bugs me about Quinn is his seeming smugness. That seems to be the major thing rubbing most people the wrong way. He comes across as acting as if he is somehow entitled to be the #1 pick because that's what everyone was saying going into the season last year.

So hate him because of his perceived "smugness". Hate him because you hate the attention his overrated ND team got.But acknowledge the talent the kid has.

He has an NFL calibre arm, good size, decent mobility and from all reports is a good student of the game and film room guy. But I'm not sold on him as a leader, I think that he has accuracy issues, can get rattled and throws balls that he shouldn't throw at times. Those things can all be worked on and he could grow into an NFL QB, but everyone that is high on him seems to think that he's NFL-ready and he's just not. I think that he's going to take some time to adjust to the speed of the NFL. Most QBs do, but I think it will take him several years if he's ever going to get it to slow down for him.

Excellent posting. I agree entirely.Arm: B+, but that's plenty good.Accuracy: B, but that can be improved.Work/Study habits: AMobility: B+, can scramble for the 1stLeader: Incomplete, which is saying something considering he had 4 years at ND.Judgement: B, that can be improved as well.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I think that both QBs are overrated. I think that Quinn has major accuracy issues and gets rattled under pressure. I'm not convinced at all that Russell will be able to read NFL defenses. Of the two, I think Russell can have more success as long as he's in the right system and has athletic WRs.

And I think the thing that bugs me about Quinn is his seeming smugness. That seems to be the major thing rubbing most people the wrong way. He comes across as acting as if he is somehow entitled to be the #1 pick because that's what everyone was saying going into the season last year.

So hate him because of his perceived "smugness". Hate him because you hate the attention his overrated ND team got.But acknowledge the talent the kid has.

He has an NFL calibre arm, good size, decent mobility and from all reports is a good student of the game and film room guy. But I'm not sold on him as a leader, I think that he has accuracy issues, can get rattled and throws balls that he shouldn't throw at times. Those things can all be worked on and he could grow into an NFL QB, but everyone that is high on him seems to think that he's NFL-ready and he's just not. I think that he's going to take some time to adjust to the speed of the NFL. Most QBs do, but I think it will take him several years if he's ever going to get it to slow down for him.

Although I disagree, that is an opinion I can respect. You should have said that the first time.

 

[wadegarrett]

That said, he's clearly talented. I don't think he's the same level of quarterback of Palmer, Manning, Brady, etc., due to a lack of arm strength and accuracy

Not sure why you continue to say he doesn't have a strong arm. Accuracy on mid to long throws has always been the knock on him.

 

[dparker713]

Love the myth that Quinn played with minimal talent at ND. Including the top offensive coach in college football Quinn was armed with these players the past two years:WR Jeff Samardzija (would have been an NFL 1st rounder if not for MLB)WR Rhema McKnight (likely mid-round pick this year)WR Mo Stovall (3rd round pick 2006)TE John Carlson (likely 1st round pick in 2008)TE Anthony Fasano (2nd round pick 2006)RB Darius Walker (likely mid-round pick this year)OT Ryan Harris (likely 1st Day pick this year, played LT for Quinn all 4 years)OG Dan Santucci (got a combine invite, late draft pick likely to make an NFL roster)OG Dan Stevenson (6th round pick 2006)

compared to other big name programs, that's junk

Ok...let's look at LSU/Rusell's pro prospects on O the past two seasons:WR Dwayne Bowe (likely 1st rounder this yearWR Craig Davis (likely mid-round pick this year)WR Skyler Green (return man, 4th rounder 2006)WR Bennie Brazell (7th rounder 2006)TE NONERB Joseph Addai (1st rounder 2006)OT Andrew Whitworth (2nd rounder 2006)

Are you seriously claiming that ND had as much talent as LSU these past two years? Thats laughable. There are two sides to the ball you know.Fact is in the past 2 years, the only team that ND should have beaten but didn't was Michigan St in 2005. THey were supposed to lose to USC, Ohio St, and LSU. And they were overrated going into the Michigan game this past year, while Michigan was underrated. Meanwhile, LSU was one of the top 3 talented teams this past year, and they lost 2 regular season games. Games they easily could have won. Games that would have allowed them to play Florida in the SEC championship game and then possibly Ohio St for the national championship. Instead LSU put up a whole 3 points against Auburn, 10 points against Florida including only 3 in the last 51 minutes of the game. The previous year was much of the same, with LSU having the consensus best talent in the SEC and yet finishing their schedule with 2 losses, only this time they blew it in the SEC championship game. Sorry, but if you want to claim that Brady comes up small in the big games, you have to acknowledge that so does Russel. And no, but the Sugar Bowl this past year was hardly a big game for LSU as ND had zero business being on that field.

 

[Colin Dowling]

That said, he's clearly talented. I don't think he's the same level of quarterback of Palmer, Manning, Brady, etc., due to a lack of arm strength and accuracy

Not sure why you continue to say he doesn't have a strong arm. Accuracy on mid to long throws has always been the knock on him.

I think he has an average arm compared to many NFL starters. That said, arm strength is not a big deal.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Love the myth that Quinn played with minimal talent at ND. Including the top offensive coach in college football Quinn was armed with these players the past two years:WR Jeff Samardzija (would have been an NFL 1st rounder if not for MLB)WR Rhema McKnight (likely mid-round pick this year)WR Mo Stovall (3rd round pick 2006)TE John Carlson (likely 1st round pick in 2008)TE Anthony Fasano (2nd round pick 2006)RB Darius Walker (likely mid-round pick this year)OT Ryan Harris (likely 1st Day pick this year, played LT for Quinn all 4 years)OG Dan Santucci (got a combine invite, late draft pick likely to make an NFL roster)OG Dan Stevenson (6th round pick 2006)

compared to other big name programs, that's junk

Ok...let's look at LSU/Rusell's pro prospects on O the past two seasons:WR Dwayne Bowe (likely 1st rounder this yearWR Craig Davis (likely mid-round pick this year)WR Skyler Green (return man, 4th rounder 2006)WR Bennie Brazell (7th rounder 2006)TE NONERB Joseph Addai (1st rounder 2006)OT Andrew Whitworth (2nd rounder 2006)

Are you seriously claiming that ND had as much talent as LSU these past two years? Thats laughable. There are two sides to the ball you know.Fact is in the past 2 years, the only team that ND should have beaten but didn't was Michigan St in 2005. THey were supposed to lose to USC, Ohio St, and LSU. And they were overrated going into the Michigan game this past year, while Michigan was underrated. Meanwhile, LSU was one of the top 3 talented teams this past year, and they lost 2 regular season games. Games they easily could have won. Games that would have allowed them to play Florida in the SEC championship game and then possibly Ohio St for the national championship. Instead LSU put up a whole 3 points against Auburn, 10 points against Florida including only 3 in the last 51 minutes of the game. The previous year was much of the same, with LSU having the consensus best talent in the SEC and yet finishing their schedule with 2 losses, only this time they blew it in the SEC championship game. Sorry, but if you want to claim that Brady comes up small in the big games, you have to acknowledge that so does Russel. And sorry, but the Sugar Bowl this past year was hardly a big game for LSU as ND had zero business being on that field.

My issue with his big-game performance has less to do with wins and losses and more to do with his specific performance. For example, against Michigan this year, he was AWFUL. I'll buy that the Michigan D had enough talent to force some of those errors and catch some of those errant passes, but not all of them. Also, losing to those teams was expected. Losing so badly in many of the cases was not. The last 4 losses they've had were absolute thrashings.

 

[Christo]

First, I must disclose that I am a huge Notre Dame fan so take that for what it's worth.

I have watched Quinn play for the past 4 years, and what impresses me about him the most is he just has "it". I feel the same way about Quinn as I felt about Leinart... this kid is going to be a rock-solid pro.

The reason why I think people dislike him is because of the attention he's garnered being QB of such a high profile team like ND. Being the golden boy can be polarizing. Half of America loves you, the other half hates you. (See the endless Tom Brady/Peyton Manning love/hate discussions.) People dislike ND simply for the fact that they get the royal treatment from the national media and for that, I understand. Sometimes it makes me uncomfortable too.

So hate ND, hate Quinn? That's unfair.

I'm sorry I can't (or don't care to) quantify my instincts with statistics or records in big games, etc. Lots of NFL QBs haven't had anywhere near the success of Quinn, but they turned out alright.

I hate ND with the red-hot intensity of a thousand burning suns. But I agree with your assessment of Quinn--rock solid pro.

 

[dparker713]

I think that both QBs are overrated. I think that Quinn has major accuracy issues and gets rattled under pressure. I'm not convinced at all that Russell will be able to read NFL defenses. Of the two, I think Russell can have more success as long as he's in the right system and has athletic WRs. And I think the thing that bugs me about Quinn is his seeming smugness. That seems to be the major thing rubbing most people the wrong way. He comes across as acting as if he is somehow entitled to be the #1 pick because that's what everyone was saying going into the season last year.

So hate him because of his perceived "smugness". Hate him because you hate the attention his overrated ND team got.But acknowledge the talent the kid has.

He has an NFL calibre arm, good size, decent mobility and from all reports is a good student of the game and film room guy. But I'm not sold on him as a leader, I think that he has accuracy issues, can get rattled and throws balls that he shouldn't throw at times. Those things can all be worked on and he could grow into an NFL QB, but everyone that is high on him seems to think that he's NFL-ready and he's just not. I think that he's going to take some time to adjust to the speed of the NFL. Most QBs do, but I think it will take him several years if he's ever going to get it to slow down for him.

Excellent posting. I agree entirely.Arm: B+, but that's plenty good.Accuracy: B, but that can be improved.Work/Study habits: AMobility: B+, can scramble for the 1stLeader: Incomplete, which is saying something considering he had 4 years at ND.Judgement: B, that can be improved as well.

The incomplete in leadership has more to do with us having no idea whats going on inside the huddle then any judgment on Quinn. He seemed to lead the team quite well when the game was on the line against Michigan St and UCLA. On the other hand, the team didn't really come to play in certain games, though thats more a reflection on Weiss.How about we do the same for Russel.Arm: A+, freakishly goodAccuracy: A-/B+, fairly good accuracy, but rarely had to throw into tight windowsWork/Study habits: C+, he can atleast bare down after he's been taken to taskMobility: B-, he big and decently agile, but he's too slow to scramble effectively in the NFLLeader: Incomplete, we aren't in the huddle, but he seems fairly soft spoken and was unable to lead rallies against either Auburn or FloridaJudgement: C-, he got away with alot of throws because of his arm strength and great receiversFrom everything I've seen and heard, Russel is the typical draft day warrior. He shot up the draft boards because of freakish phyiscal attributes, but unless he busts his butt to improve he's going to disappoint in the NFL. Fact of the matter is, almost everyone that wants to be successful in the NFL needs to devote their lives to the game, especially at QB. Its not a coincidence that Peyton and Brady are two of the hardest working QBs in the game today. We know Quinn will do the work and that he has a fairly high level of talent, you can not say the same about Russel.

 

[fatkid]

Love the myth that Quinn played with minimal talent at ND. Including the top offensive coach in college football Quinn was armed with these players the past two years:WR Jeff Samardzija (would have been an NFL 1st rounder if not for MLB)WR Rhema McKnight (likely mid-round pick this year)WR Mo Stovall (3rd round pick 2006)TE John Carlson (likely 1st round pick in 2008)TE Anthony Fasano (2nd round pick 2006)RB Darius Walker (likely mid-round pick this year)OT Ryan Harris (likely 1st Day pick this year, played LT for Quinn all 4 years)OG Dan Santucci (got a combine invite, late draft pick likely to make an NFL roster)OG Dan Stevenson (6th round pick 2006)

compared to other big name programs, that's junk

Ok...let's look at LSU/Rusell's pro prospects on O the past two seasons:WR Dwayne Bowe (likely 1st rounder this yearWR Craig Davis (likely mid-round pick this year)WR Skyler Green (return man, 4th rounder 2006)WR Bennie Brazell (7th rounder 2006)TE NONERB Joseph Addai (1st rounder 2006)OT Andrew Whitworth (2nd rounder 2006)

Are you seriously claiming that ND had as much talent as LSU these past two years? Thats laughable. There are two sides to the ball you know.Fact is in the past 2 years, the only team that ND should have beaten but didn't was Michigan St in 2005. THey were supposed to lose to USC, Ohio St, and LSU. And they were overrated going into the Michigan game this past year, while Michigan was underrated. Meanwhile, LSU was one of the top 3 talented teams this past year, and they lost 2 regular season games. Games they easily could have won. Games that would have allowed them to play Florida in the SEC championship game and then possibly Ohio St for the national championship. Instead LSU put up a whole 3 points against Auburn, 10 points against Florida including only 3 in the last 51 minutes of the game. The previous year was much of the same, with LSU having the consensus best talent in the SEC and yet finishing their schedule with 2 losses, only this time they blew it in the SEC championship game. Sorry, but if you want to claim that Brady comes up small in the big games, you have to acknowledge that so does Russel. And no, but the Sugar Bowl this past year was hardly a big game for LSU as ND had zero business being on that field.

As a team, LSU was a much bigger underachiever this year than ND was. How is Russell not taking the fall for the fact that LSU had the most talent in the SEC west, and didn't get to play in the SEC title game? Especially considering their problems came on the offensive side of the ball. Quinn's statements about wanting to go number one seem to be the same problem that Brett Favre has when he talks to the media. Favre says what he thinks, even when he shouldn't. Every top player (with the possible exception of Joe Thomas) wants to be the first pick. Quinn is the only one saying it over and over.As far as his talent goes, I think he is very similar to Eli Manning both on and off the field. On the field, a decent arm, but struggles with accuracy especially under pressure. Off the field, Overrated for reasons not having to do with talent. Overall he will still be a solid player in the NFL but one that everyone wants to be better than they are, and someone who will be overpaid based on where he will be drafted.

 

[gump]

My issue with his big-game performance has less to do with wins and losses and more to do with his specific performance.

I agree. I remember thinking that a #1 pick can't possibly ever look THIS BAD...can they?I also dislike Quinn because Beano thinks he is the best player in the draft.

 

[DawnBTVS]

Here are his game logs against good + teams (all teams had better than .500 records that year). Make up your own minds whether he chokes again great teams or not.

2006

vs. Georgia Tech: 246 yards, 60.5%, 0 TD, 0 INT, 9 yards rushing and 1 TD

vs. Penn State: 287 yards, 69.4%, 3 TD, 0 INT, 6 yards rushing

vs. Michigan: 234 yards, 50.0%, 3 TD, 3 INT, -18 yards rushing

vs. Purdue: 316 yards, 76.3%, 2 TD, 0 INT, -29 yards rushing

vs. UCLA: 304 yards, 60.0%, 2 TD, 0 INT, -12 yards rushing

vs. Navy: 295 yards, 72.0%, 3 TD, 0 INT, 28 yards rushing and 1 TD

vs. USC: 274 yards, 48.9%, 3 TD, 0 INT, 74 yards rushing

vs. LSU: 148 yards, 42.9%, 2 TD, 2 INT, 6 yards rushing

Totals: 2104 yards (263 YPG), 60.0% with 18 TD vs. 5 INT with 2 rushing TDs

2005

vs. Michigan: 140 yards, 63.3%, 2 TD, 0 INT, -16 yards rushing

vs. USC: 264 yards, 54.3%, 1 TD, 1 INT, 21 yards rushing and 1 TD

vs. Navy: 284 yards, 71.0%, 4 TD, 1 INT, 27 yards rushing

vs. Ohio State: 286 yards, 64.4%, 0 TD, 0 INT, -32 yards rushing

Totals: 974 yards (244 YPG), 63.25%, 7 TD vs. 2 INT and 1 rushing TD

2004

vs. Michigan: 178 yards, 50.0%, 2 TD, 3 INT, 7 yards rushing

vs. Purdue: 432 yards, 56.5%, 1 TD, 0 INT, -7 yards rushing

vs. Navy: 130 yards, 55.0%, 0 TD, 0 INT, 0 yards rushing

vs. Boston College: 231 yards, 60.6%, 1 TD, 2 INT, -3 yards rushing and 1 TD

vs. Tennessee: 118 yards, 52.2%, 1 TD, 0 INT, -30 yards rushing

vs. Pittsburgh: 259 yards, 57.7%, 3 TD, 2 INT, 13 yards rushing

vs. USC: 105 yards, 51.7%, 1 TD, 0 INT, 8 yards rushing

vs. Oregon State: 214 yards, 58.6%, 2 TD, 1 INT, 10 yards rushing

Totals: 1667 yards (208 YPG), 55.29%, 11 TD vs. 8 INT with 1 rushing TD

 

[dparker713]

My issue with his big-game performance has less to do with wins and losses and more to do with his specific performance. For example, against Michigan this year, he was AWFUL. I'll buy that the Michigan D had enough talent to force some of those errors and catch some of those errant passes, but not all of them. Also, losing to those teams was expected. Losing so badly in many of the cases was not. The last 4 losses they've had were absolute thrashings.

The first interception at the beginning of the game was through the hands of his TE and then returned for a TD. A couple of possessions later Quinn tied the game. Right before the end of the first quarter Michigan scored on a long pass, and on the ensuing kickoff ND fumbled leading to a short TD run. All of a sudden its 20-7. While the offense was doing nothing, Michigan put up 2 more TDs in the second quarter and the game was basically over. ND scored right before the half, but in the second half Quinn and the offense were pressing leading to 2 more INTs and another fumble. Fact is, anytime your defense surrenders 27 points by the 7 minute mark in the second quarter its going to be awfully difficult to compete, and that doesnt even include the early int return. Quinn didn't have a great game by any stretch, but he was hardly the biggest problem ND had that day.

 

[cstu]

If Brady can't lead a "good" college team to big wins, how will he hold up when he's drafted by a horrible NFL team then?

Put anyone other than Quinn on that team and NBC is considering dropping them from weekly coverage. They were only good because he made them good.

I think that Jimmy Clausen will show you that is a GROSS mis-statement.

Clausen the best high school QB prospect in years. I watched him play in person against Venice and he looked like an NFL QB already. Not sure what him doing well at ND would prove.

 

[jurb26]

I don't hate B. Quinn at all. I pretty much just share a feeling that is consistent of both ND football and Quinn. They are overrated. I don't think Quinn handles pressure well and had a safety blanket for a coach. Any D with a few NFL caliber athletes seemed to baffle Quinn. Well, the entire NFL is full of guys like that. I think he can be a decent player. I just don't see "franchise QB" in him.

 

[LHUCKS]

I root against all overexposed programs like Ohiot St. and Notre Dame, because their exposure does a disservice to standout players at smaller schools. As a result I usually root against overexposed players, especially if I feel they've been overrated by the media as a result of their exposure. Quinn falls into this category IMHO.

There's a lot to like about Quinn. He's a good kid, works his ### off and would most likely be a good role model. But there are a lot of good kids that work their ### off and that would be good role models that come from other schools that will be undervalued because they simply didn't get the exposure that Quinn was fortunate enough to have.

John Beck for example impressed me twice as much as Quinn over the past year. He's more accurate and appeared to manage the games much better. Don't get me wrong I know ND plays a significantly tougher schedule than BYU, but my opinion is if you plugged Beck into the ND offense you'd get a more consistent performer. Yet Beck is a second rounder at best and Quinn is getting top 5 hype.

I don't hate Quinn, but I do root against him and root for guys like Beck.

 

[cstu]

I root against all overexposed programs like Ohiot St. and Notre Dame, because their exposure does a disservice to standout players at smaller schools. As a result I usually root against overexposed players, especially if I feel they've been overrated by the media as a result of their exposure. Quinn falls into this category IMHO.There's a lot to like about Quinn. He's a good kid, works his ### off and would most likely be a good role model. But there are a lot of good kids that work their ### off and that would be good role models that come from other schools that will be undervalued because they simply didn't get the exposure that Quinn was fortunate enough to have.John Beck for example impressed me twice as much as Quinn over the past year. He's more accurate and appeared to manage the games much better. Don't get me wrong I know ND plays a significantly tougher schedule than BYU, but my opinion is if you plugged Beck into the ND offense you'd get a more consistent performer. Yet Beck is a second rounder at best and Quinn is getting top 5 hype. I don't hate Quinn, but I do root against him and root for guys like Beck.

I feel the same and frankly just hearing the words "Notre Dame" grates on my nerves, but being objective about what I've seen of Quinn I think he's nearly a can't-miss QB prospect. He was by no means perfect, but then again I don't expect a college player to be perfect. He played one of the hardest schedules and when he played good teams ND was usually over-matched in terms of talent. I think anyone who dislikes him as an NFL prospect is either doing it out of dislike for the hype he got, his (over)confidence, or nitpicking his game even though it is more complete than any QB in this draft.

 

[dparker713]

I root against all overexposed programs like Ohiot St. and Notre Dame, but not USC because they're dreamy.

Fixed.

 

[BGP]

(The last choice is only sort of a joke.)I can't figure out why I dislike QUinn so much. I was watching NFL Live or something last night and he was on talking about how his agent actually HAD been talking to the Raiders about contract parameters should he be their choice. Whether that's true or not, I have tired of reading articles and seeing interviews where Quinn talks about how special he is. His tone doesn't strike me as "confidence" but more of "blind arrogance." Add in that like most people, I LOVE players who play big in big games and Quinn was the antithesis of this.

To be honest, when I read stuff like this, it makes me not like Colin Dowling so much. You do not know the guy. Snippets you get from the press does not qualify you to know the guy. He's a kid who is a football player. That doesn't make him an expert on media relations. And quite frankly, if his worst crime is that he doesn't always say the right thing to the media, he should be a saint.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

(The last choice is only sort of a joke.)I can't figure out why I dislike QUinn so much. I was watching NFL Live or something last night and he was on talking about how his agent actually HAD been talking to the Raiders about contract parameters should he be their choice. Whether that's true or not, I have tired of reading articles and seeing interviews where Quinn talks about how special he is. His tone doesn't strike me as "confidence" but more of "blind arrogance." Add in that like most people, I LOVE players who play big in big games and Quinn was the antithesis of this.

To be honest, when I read stuff like this, it makes me not like Colin Dowling so much. You do not know the guy. Snippets you get from the press does not qualify you to know the guy. He's a kid who is a football player. That doesn't make him an expert on media relations. And quite frankly, if his worst crime is that he doesn't always say the right thing to the media, he should be a saint.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I think anyone who dislikes him as an NFL prospect is either doing it out of dislike for the hype he got, his (over)confidence, or nitpicking his game even though it is more complete than any QB in this draft.

Matt Leinart lacked arm strength.Tom Brady was too skinny.Ben Roethlisberger played against sub-par competition.And the list could go on and on... there's flaws in them all.

 

[-OZ-]

I like him. He's a workout warrior and he's a game tape grunt. A student of the game if you will.I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and they made a very important point about him...he STARTED for 4 years in an NFL style offense with subpar supporting cast and he kept his mistakes to a minimum.That's pretty much all you need from your qb right? I mean if he's pretty accurate and has more than sufficient arm...Most people are convincing themselves that he's not gonna be a good pro. I think otherwise.

I agree with you 100%. I think he is the #1QB of this years class.

Agreed. I find it funny that people are talking about Quinn as if he's a riskier prospect than Russell. The guy is going to be, at worst, a solid QB in the NFL. He has the potential to be great. He won't be a Tom Brady type leader IMO, but a very good QB. I'm hoping he falls in FF drafts due to the media berating him. I've always liked Quinn, but I'm a Michigan fan, so I don't mind his falling apart in that game. Also, @ LHucks rooting against overexposed programs.

 

[kylechoffman]

If I had his looks, I'd try to become the next Peter North.

Thats awesome.

 

[John Mamula]

(The last choice is only sort of a joke.)I can't figure out why I dislike QUinn so much. I was watching NFL Live or something last night and he was on talking about how his agent actually HAD been talking to the Raiders about contract parameters should he be their choice. Whether that's true or not, I have tired of reading articles and seeing interviews where Quinn talks about how special he is. His tone doesn't strike me as "confidence" but more of "blind arrogance." Add in that like most people, I LOVE players who play big in big games and Quinn was the antithesis of this.That said, he's clearly talented. I don't think he's the same level of quarterback of Palmer, Manning, Brady, etc., due to a lack of arm strength and accuracy. However, he does have better then average touch, throws well on the move, and is a better runner then advertised. He may never be Elway, but he's not exactly David Carr either. Anyway, as he's talking on NFL Live I blurt out something derogatory about him. The wife asks, "Why do you say that?" So I explained that he's not the best player in the draft by a long shot and I think lobbying for a draft spot is weak. The wife responds, "Don't they get paid more if they are drafted higher? Why wouldn't you try to do everything you could to get drafted higher....I'd do the same thing..."And she's right. I can't begrudge Quinn for trying to get himself selected first. Aaron Rodgers did the same thing and by not getting picked first, he lost a TON of money (and opportunity). I don't think QUinn's dropping to 24, but I could see him in the teens pretty easily.Why do you dislike him? Or do you?

It is due to lots of hype but never delivered in a big game. You also have the anti ND angle that comes with the territory but if he was VY good or Reggie Bush good some of that would be diminished.And by VY I do not mean Vince Young, but Victor Yamonavich, a talented but unknown offensive tackle from Siberia who I predict big things for.

 

[massraider]

u do not like him b/c televsiion and radio guys told you not to like him.

Ha. Yes, it's really unfair how brutalized he's getting by the national media.

funny yes. but people do not have the balls to goi with what their gut is telling them. in the end, FF owners will go with what"the expert" told them. seen it way too many times and so have you.

I was being sarcastic.If we decided to base our opinion on the kid from what the media told us, everyone would already have a Quinn poster on their wall. There has been nothing negative said about the guy other than accuracy, and big game production. The television and radio guys are telling us that he has the higher floor than JaMarcus, and if anyone's gonna be a bust, it's Russell, not Quinn.There's just a tendency to overemphasize perceived negatives, especially in relation to other prospects. Just because one guy does something better, doesn't mean the other guy is BAD at it.Russell, better arm strength than Quinn. Doesn't mean Quinn doesn't have an NFL arm.Quinn is a student of the game. Suddenly, Russell is a big dummy, that can't read defenses.Russell is more accurate. All of a sudden, Quinn can't hit the broad side of a barn.I think arm strength, accuracy, and leadership are strengths for both of these guys. But it has to be one way or the other for some people. That's a mistake.

 

[John Mamula]

I like him. He's a workout warrior and he's a game tape grunt. A student of the game if you will.I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and they made a very important point about him...he STARTED for 4 years in an NFL style offense with subpar supporting cast and he kept his mistakes to a minimum.That's pretty much all you need from your qb right? I mean if he's pretty accurate and has more than sufficient arm...Most people are convincing themselves that he's not gonna be a good pro. I think otherwise.

I agree with you 100%. I think he is the #1QB of this years class.

Agreed. I find it funny that people are talking about Quinn as if he's a riskier prospect than Russell. The guy is going to be, at worst, a solid QB in the NFL. He has the potential to be great. He won't be a Tom Brady type leader IMO, but a very good QB. I'm hoping he falls in FF drafts due to the media berating him. I've always liked Quinn, but I'm a Michigan fan, so I don't mind his falling apart in that game. Also, @ LHucks rooting against overexposed programs.

I don't think Arizona is overexposed at all?Do you?

 

[Colin Dowling]

(The last choice is only sort of a joke.)I can't figure out why I dislike QUinn so much. I was watching NFL Live or something last night and he was on talking about how his agent actually HAD been talking to the Raiders about contract parameters should he be their choice. Whether that's true or not, I have tired of reading articles and seeing interviews where Quinn talks about how special he is. His tone doesn't strike me as "confidence" but more of "blind arrogance." Add in that like most people, I LOVE players who play big in big games and Quinn was the antithesis of this.

To be honest, when I read stuff like this, it makes me not like Colin Dowling so much. You do not know the guy. Snippets you get from the press does not qualify you to know the guy. He's a kid who is a football player. That doesn't make him an expert on media relations. And quite frankly, if his worst crime is that he doesn't always say the right thing to the media, he should be a saint.

Good grief. So we're clear, my honest postings about Brady Quinn are not valid since I don't know the guy, but you are free to not like me based even though you don't know me. Doesn't make much sense, does it? For the record, I have not once said (to my knowledge) that I think QUinn is a poor prospect. i actually think he's a fine prospect and a number of teams would be fortunate to have him work to be their QB of the future. There are just some things I dislike in both his play and how he comes off in the press that bother me.(it just occurred to me that you are a Browns fan, so the defense of Quinn - who may end up going to your team 3rd - makes more sense.)

 

[ImTheScientist]

(The last choice is only sort of a joke.)

I can't figure out why I dislike QUinn so much. I was watching NFL Live or something last night and he was on talking about how his agent actually HAD been talking to the Raiders about contract parameters should he be their choice. Whether that's true or not, I have tired of reading articles and seeing interviews where Quinn talks about how special he is. His tone doesn't strike me as "confidence" but more of "blind arrogance." Add in that like most people, I LOVE players who play big in big games and Quinn was the antithesis of this.

To be honest, when I read stuff like this, it makes me not like Colin Dowling so much. You do not know the guy. Snippets you get from the press does not qualify you to know the guy. He's a kid who is a football player. That doesn't make him an expert on media relations. And quite frankly, if his worst crime is that he doesn't always say the right thing to the media, he should be a saint.

Good grief. So we're clear, my honest postings about Brady Quinn are not valid since I don't know the guy, but you are free to not like me based even though you don't know me. Doesn't make much sense, does it? For the record, I have not once said (to my knowledge) that I think QUinn is a poor prospect. i actually think he's a fine prospect and a number of teams would be fortunate to have him work to be their QB of the future. There are just some things I dislike in both his play and how he comes off in the press that bother me.

(it just occurred to me that you are a Browns fan, so the defense of Quinn - who may end up going to your team 3rd - makes more sense.)

He doesn't know Brady Quinn either

 

[JohnnyU]

Being a 4 year starter will make people start to look for the bad in someone, because they already know the good. Jamarcus Russell was a nobody before last season, so he's the flavor of the year. I'll bet that if he was around a long time he would suffer more criticism. Who the hell was Alex Smith the year before his last at Utah? Jeff George came out of nowhere to be the draft darling.

 

[DeCleater]

I root against all overexposed programs like USC and Cal, because their exposure does a disservice to standout players at smaller schools. As a result I usually root against overexposed players, especially if I feel they've been overrated by the media as a result of their exposure. Lienart, Rodgers, Lendale fall into this category IMHO.There's a lot to like about Lienart. He's a good kid, works his ### off and would most likely be a good role model. But there are a lot of good kids that work their ### off and that would be good role models that come from other schools that will be undervalued because they simply didn't get the exposure that Lienart was fortunate enough to have.Jay Cutler for example impressed me twice as much as Lienart over the past year. He's more accurate and appeared to manage the games much better. Don't get me wrong I know USC plays a significantly tougher schedule than Vandy, but my opinion is if you plugged Cutler into the USC offense you'd get a more consistent performer. Yet Cutler is a second round prospect at best and Lienart is getting top 5 hype. I don't hate Lienart, but I do root against him and root for guys like Cutler.

LHUCKS seeing the world through Elton John sized Pac-10 homer glasses.

 

[DeCleater]

Quinn the last 2 years under Weis.

69 TD's

14 Int's

Those are great numbers anywhere.

Quinn will be a very good NFL QB.

 

[Aaronstory]

He seems like a total jerk and I doubt he and I would get along together.

Was looking for this in the choices above.

 

[JohnnyU]

I root against all overexposed programs like USC and Cal, because their exposure does a disservice to standout players at smaller schools. As a result I usually root against overexposed players, especially if I feel they've been overrated by the media as a result of their exposure. Lienart, Rodgers, Lendale fall into this category IMHO.There's a lot to like about Lienart. He's a good kid, works his ### off and would most likely be a good role model. But there are a lot of good kids that work their ### off and that would be good role models that come from other schools that will be undervalued because they simply didn't get the exposure that Lienart was fortunate enough to have.Jay Cutler for example impressed me twice as much as Lienart over the past year. He's more accurate and appeared to manage the games much better. Don't get me wrong I know USC plays a significantly tougher schedule than Vandy, but my opinion is if you plugged Cutler into the USC offense you'd get a more consistent performer. Yet Cutler is a second round prospect at best and Lienart is getting top 5 hype. I don't hate Lienart, but I do root against him and root for guys like Cutler.

LHUCKS seeing the world through Elton John sized Pac-10 homer glasses.

I agree with LHUCKS that USC did play a tougher schedule, but that's because of USC's out of conference schedule (Ark, Neb, ND, and Mich). However, if it wasn't for the out of conference schedule, Vandy's would be tougher since the SEC is superior to the PAC10 from top to bottom in most years.

 

[LHUCKS]

I root against all overexposed programs like USC and Cal, because their exposure does a disservice to standout players at smaller schools. As a result I usually root against overexposed players, especially if I feel they've been overrated by the media as a result of their exposure. Lienart, Rodgers, Lendale fall into this category IMHO.There's a lot to like about Lienart. He's a good kid, works his ### off and would most likely be a good role model. But there are a lot of good kids that work their ### off and that would be good role models that come from other schools that will be undervalued because they simply didn't get the exposure that Lienart was fortunate enough to have.Jay Cutler for example impressed me twice as much as Lienart over the past year. He's more accurate and appeared to manage the games much better. Don't get me wrong I know USC plays a significantly tougher schedule than Vandy, but my opinion is if you plugged Cutler into the USC offense you'd get a more consistent performer. Yet Cutler is a second round prospect at best and Lienart is getting top 5 hype. I don't hate Lienart, but I do root against him and root for guys like Cutler.

LHUCKS seeing the world through Elton John sized Pac-10 homer glasses.

When it comes to NFL football I call them like I see them...Quinn = Overrated.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Quinn the last 2 years under Weis. 69 TD's14 Int'sThose are great numbers anywhere.Quinn will be a very good NFL QB.

Carr the last two years at Fresno69 TD's20 Int'sSimilarly great numbers "anywhere."(My point is that I'm not sure college stats are worth a hill of beans. Someone correctly pointed out to me earlier that college passer rating is near worthless. The number I like to look at in college is YPA, which is not a great number for Quinn)

 

[JohnnyU]

When it comes to NFL football I call them like I see them...Quinn = Overrated.

Russell = 1 year darling. If I decided to take a QB, I'll take Quinn over Russell in my dynasty drafts and not think twice about it.

 

[LHUCKS]

When it comes to NFL football I call them like I see them...Quinn = Overrated.

Russell = 1 year darling. If I decided to take a QB, I'll take Quinn over Russell in my dynasty drafts and not think twice about it.

I'm kind of torn between the two, but I'd probably side with Russell because of his superior accuracy. Inaccurate QBs don't make it in the NFL unless you have Mike Vick rushing ability.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I root against all overexposed programs like USC and Cal, because their exposure does a disservice to standout players at smaller schools. As a result I usually root against overexposed players, especially if I feel they've been overrated by the media as a result of their exposure. Lienart, Rodgers, Lendale fall into this category IMHO.There's a lot to like about Lienart. He's a good kid, works his ### off and would most likely be a good role model. But there are a lot of good kids that work their ### off and that would be good role models that come from other schools that will be undervalued because they simply didn't get the exposure that Lienart was fortunate enough to have.Jay Cutler for example impressed me twice as much as Lienart over the past year. He's more accurate and appeared to manage the games much better. Don't get me wrong I know USC plays a significantly tougher schedule than Vandy, but my opinion is if you plugged Cutler into the USC offense you'd get a more consistent performer. Yet Cutler is a second round prospect at best and Lienart is getting top 5 hype. I don't hate Lienart, but I do root against him and root for guys like Cutler.

LHUCKS seeing the world through Elton John sized Pac-10 homer glasses.

Ummm... Leinart IS a Pac 10 guy and LHUCKS isn't exactly praising him to the gods here....

 

[Yitbos69]

Quinn the last 2 years under Weis. 69 TD's14 Int'sThose are great numbers anywhere.Quinn will be a very good NFL QB.

Carr the last two years at Fresno69 TD's20 Int'sSimilarly great numbers "anywhere."(My point is that I'm not sure college stats are worth a hill of beans. Someone correctly pointed out to me earlier that college passer rating is near worthless. The number I like to look at in college is YPA, which is not a great number for Quinn)

How well did Carr do in the BIG games in his college career?

 

[LHUCKS]

I root against all overexposed programs like USC and Cal, because their exposure does a disservice to standout players at smaller schools. As a result I usually root against overexposed players, especially if I feel they've been overrated by the media as a result of their exposure. Lienart, Rodgers, Lendale fall into this category IMHO.There's a lot to like about Lienart. He's a good kid, works his ### off and would most likely be a good role model. But there are a lot of good kids that work their ### off and that would be good role models that come from other schools that will be undervalued because they simply didn't get the exposure that Lienart was fortunate enough to have.Jay Cutler for example impressed me twice as much as Lienart over the past year. He's more accurate and appeared to manage the games much better. Don't get me wrong I know USC plays a significantly tougher schedule than Vandy, but my opinion is if you plugged Cutler into the USC offense you'd get a more consistent performer. Yet Cutler is a second round prospect at best and Lienart is getting top 5 hype. I don't hate Lienart, but I do root against him and root for guys like Cutler.

LHUCKS seeing the world through Elton John sized Pac-10 homer glasses.

Ummm... Leinart IS a Pac 10 guy and LHUCKS isn't exactly praising him to the gods here....

That wasn't my post, he edited it and left it as if I had made the post ...which IMHO shouldn't be allowed in this forum.

 

[massraider]

Quinn the last 2 years under Weis.

69 TD's

14 Int's

Those are great numbers anywhere.

Quinn will be a very good NFL QB.

Carr the last two years at Fresno69 TD's

20 Int's

Similarly great numbers "anywhere."

(My point is that I'm not sure college stats are worth a hill of beans. Someone correctly pointed out to me earlier that college passer rating is near worthless. The number I like to look at in college is YPA, which is not a great number for Quinn)

How well did Carr do in the BIG games in his college career?

Well, I looked up his senior year:Started and played in all 14 games and was perhaps the nation�s best quarterback � had one of the most outstanding statistical seasons for a quarterback ever � became just the sixth quarterback in NCAA history to throw for 4,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. He had 4,839 passing yards and 46 touchdowns, both tops in the nation � exploded in the Silicon Valley Football Classic, completing 35-of-56 passes for a career-high 531 yards and four touchdowns � threw for at least 300 yards in 11 of 14 games, including 10 of the last 11 � finished third in the nation in completions with 343 � received numerous postseason awards, including Football News Offensive Player of the Year, Johnny Unitas Award, Sammy Baugh Award, WAC Offensive Player of the Year and first-team All-WAC � finished fifth in the voting for the Heisman Trophy � set Fresno State single-season records for passing yardage and touchdown passes � is the program�s career completion percentage leader (.626) � had three 400-yard passing games, including a 432-yard, six-touchdown performance in two-and-a-half quarters in the regular season finale against Utah State � was USA Today National Player of the Week after his 340-yard, four-touchdown performance in a victory against Oregon State � had a heroic effort in a victory against Colorado State, leading FS on a length-of-the-field drive with 27 seconds left in the game, which resulted in a game-tying field goal as time expired. The Bulldogs defeated CSU 25-22 � has been tabbed by ESPN�s Mel Kiper as one of the top quarterbacks to be taken in the upcoming NFL Draft � completed passes to 12 different Bulldogs, including 10 for touchdowns.

Looking for single-game stats.

 

[WampusCat43]

...but he's not exactly David Carr either. ...

If he gets drafted by the Raiders, he will be. :flattened:

 

[JohnnyU]

When it comes to NFL football I call them like I see them...Quinn = Overrated.

Russell = 1 year darling. If I decided to take a QB, I'll take Quinn over Russell in my dynasty drafts and not think twice about it.

I'm kind of torn between the two, but I'd probably side with Russell because of his superior accuracy. Inaccurate QBs don't make it in the NFL unless you have Mike Vick rushing ability.

Quinn was 65% in 2005 and 62% in 2006. I wouldn't call that inaccurate.

 

[Colin Dowling]

When it comes to NFL football I call them like I see them...Quinn = Overrated.

Russell = 1 year darling. If I decided to take a QB, I'll take Quinn over Russell in my dynasty drafts and not think twice about it.

I'm kind of torn between the two, but I'd probably side with Russell because of his superior accuracy. Inaccurate QBs don't make it in the NFL unless you have Mike Vick rushing ability.

Quinn was 65% in 2005 and 62% in 2006. I wouldn't call that inaccurate.

I don't think he's inaccurate, but I do think there are some throws where is accuracy is questionable.

 

[LHUCKS]

When it comes to NFL football I call them like I see them...Quinn = Overrated.

Russell = 1 year darling. If I decided to take a QB, I'll take Quinn over Russell in my dynasty drafts and not think twice about it.

I'm kind of torn between the two, but I'd probably side with Russell because of his superior accuracy. Inaccurate QBs don't make it in the NFL unless you have Mike Vick rushing ability.

Quinn was 65% in 2005 and 62% in 2006. I wouldn't call that inaccurate.

staring at completion percentage I wouldn't either...almost all NFL scouts believe Russell is the more accurate passer. I didn't mean to imply that Quinn was "innaccurate" per se, but I do believe he has a lot to prove in the department.

 

[JohnnyU]

When it comes to NFL football I call them like I see them...Quinn = Overrated.

Russell = 1 year darling. If I decided to take a QB, I'll take Quinn over Russell in my dynasty drafts and not think twice about it.

I'm kind of torn between the two, but I'd probably side with Russell because of his superior accuracy. Inaccurate QBs don't make it in the NFL unless you have Mike Vick rushing ability.

Quinn was 65% in 2005 and 62% in 2006. I wouldn't call that inaccurate.

staring at completion percentage I wouldn't either...almost all NFL scouts believe Russell is the more accurate passer. I didn't mean to imply that Quinn was "innaccurate" per se, but I do believe he has a lot to prove in the department.

Well, he's proven more than Russell in 4 years. People like to talk about "upside" and "potential". There's nothing wrong with Quinn's upside, but most want to label Russell as having the most upside. That's fine, and it may very well be true, but I will take the more proven QB every time, and that's Quinn. Besides, it is very likely that Quinn falls into a better situation for success than Russell, and he's more NFL ready of the two. If the Raiders take Russell, I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole in my dynasty drafts.