theplayer11
Footballguy
I really don't like or understand this. We use waivers throughout the entire year, why should the playoffs be any different?
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Why do leagues lock rosters for playoffs? (2 Viewers)
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
In a redraft league I think it makes sense to not allow teams that are out of the playoffs to add or drop players. Other than that I agree with you.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
theplayer11
Footballguy
with cbs, you can lock add/drops for teams out of the playoffs
I'm finding our league is pushing our trade deadline farther back each year and it currently is up to the last regular season game. And our add/drops have been extended an additional week this year up until first round playoff games (everyone has something at stake the first week of playoffs because of our toilet bowl). I think as a whole we are buying into what you're saying and I foresee us allowing add/drops all the way through playoffs (for teams still involved) at some point.
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
We have always closed transactions from the Thanksgiving day games until the season is over. It's been like that for so long I can't remember why we do it. I like it though.
theplayer11
Footballguy
^why do you like it? We play the game, making moves each week, why should that stop for the playoffs..or sooner in your case.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
So if your team gets hits by the injury bug you're screwed? I wouldn't like that at all.
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Flash
Footballguy
Yea, you like it until you get hit by injuries.Stupid rule
mcnabbmcnow
Footballguy
I like the rosters locking, because it makes you plan ahead for the playoffs. Do you keep 1 kicker, 1 TE, or two? Do you drop an injured player for someone else? I like when owners are forced to make these type of decisions. I mean, I lost Dez Bryant right before the playoffs, but I already had Roddy White, Mike Williams, Kenny Britt, and Hakeem Nicks on my roster, and Britt is supposed to come back this week, so I should be OK.
If you did allow playoff teams to pick up players, what order would they be allowed to do it in? This is no longer regular season, and I think this gives an advantage to the lower seed teams that they don't deserve. Why if you finished below another person should you be able to pick up another player before your playoff game, before they can? It's unfair!
For instance, suppose the 3 seed is playing the 6 seed. Is it fair that the 6 seed picks up James Starks from GB and inserts him at RB, when the 3 team had the better record? Part of having a better record means you were able to play your playoff roster more, perhaps. That advantage is now taken away from you. You are giving an unearned advantage to an underdog.
If you did allow playoff teams to pick up players, what order would they be allowed to do it in? This is no longer regular season, and I think this gives an advantage to the lower seed teams that they don't deserve. Why if you finished below another person should you be able to pick up another player before your playoff game, before they can? It's unfair!
For instance, suppose the 3 seed is playing the 6 seed. Is it fair that the 6 seed picks up James Starks from GB and inserts him at RB, when the 3 team had the better record? Part of having a better record means you were able to play your playoff roster more, perhaps. That advantage is now taken away from you. You are giving an unearned advantage to an underdog.
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NJ
Footballguy
The big reason is that a lot of leagues still use the antiquated method of doing waivers worst to first which is unfair in my opinion. If you use this method, how can you leave waivers open during the playoffs? If you lock out non-playoff teams, why should the #6 seed have a major advantage of being #1 on the waiver wire over the high seeded teams. Suppose Chris Johnson goes down week 14 and Javon Ringer is not rostered in a redraft league. Why should the 6 seed get to pick him up and use him for the rest of the playoffs? He should have to play with the team that got him there like the rest of the league.
If you use a more equally fair method of waivers, like blind bidding or something, then I agree, there really is no reason to close waivers for the post-season as the injury bug is capable of destroying a roster in 3 weeks.
If you use a more equally fair method of waivers, like blind bidding or something, then I agree, there really is no reason to close waivers for the post-season as the injury bug is capable of destroying a roster in 3 weeks.
massraider
Footballguy
What do you think is happening during the regular season?
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
Deep benches. Of all the rules the guys complain about, this is not one of them.
mcnabbmcnow
Footballguy
Playoffs and regular season are different animals. You can't give an advantage to a lower seed over a higher seed in the playoffs, if anything, the higher seed should have the advantage, as he or she earned it.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Our waiver order does not reset week to week. It is set initially in reverse order of the draft. After that, once you make a WW claim you drop to the bottom of the list. As others make WW claims you bubble up to the top until you make your nest waiver claim. Our WW order is NEVER determined by record.The list is maintained during the playoffs. Works great.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
In my main money league, trading and free agent pick-ups are permitted throughout our entire playoffs - to all teams. (We have a basement bowl...)
We didn't used to be this way. We used to end all transactions at the start of week 12. Then it was moved back to week 14. Then we just opened it up for the entire season and playoffs. Every single one of us like it this way. In fact, we prefer it. It has had the effect of actually increasing the competitiveness of the league. Teams in the playoff hunt are scavenging the teams that are out of it, and those teams are receiving much more value for their players than they would have otherwise. It has had the effect of benefiting all the teams in the league - playoff bound or not.
We didn't used to be this way. We used to end all transactions at the start of week 12. Then it was moved back to week 14. Then we just opened it up for the entire season and playoffs. Every single one of us like it this way. In fact, we prefer it. It has had the effect of actually increasing the competitiveness of the league. Teams in the playoff hunt are scavenging the teams that are out of it, and those teams are receiving much more value for their players than they would have otherwise. It has had the effect of benefiting all the teams in the league - playoff bound or not.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Sure, if you want to have rosters 20+ deep then it is fine. Our league has 18 roster spots and I would rather not have to cut QBs, RBs and WRs so I can keep 2 or 3 kickers or TEs just in case of an injury.
massraider
Footballguy
I see conclusions with no reasons. Why are they different, and why would you do the exact opposite of what you did during the regular season?In week 9, you are giving an advantage to the lesser team, and the better team 'earned' it then as well.
I am the #2 seed, but have the #1 waiver pick because our waiver priority doesn't reset each week. If you don't pick up a player, you move in front of those that do, and if you have the #1 pick, you have it until you use it.
I would argue that by the time week 14 rolls around, every team has had multiple chances to grab every player in the league. You use James Starks as an example. Well, if someone needed a back that bad, he should have been picked up prior to the weeks' games.
What if the #3 seeds' QBs get hurt in Week 14/15, but he makes the Super Bowl? You are going to not allow him to pick up a Drew Stanton because you were concerned that the #6 seed was going to get his choice of scrubs two weeks prior?
Nemesis
Footballguy
One thing we do is lock rosters at wk 12 Sunday kickoff so everyone has to plan ahead........but we also give everyone 1 additional emergency FA pickup after the lock....but the cost is $10 and that money goes into the Weekly Winner pot so it benefits everyone.Problem solved [/thread]
This rule allows for a major injury.......but doesn't allow teams to pick up the "flavor of the week kicker/defense" or pull "schenanigans". Also, there is strategy knowing that if you decide to use it, that you don't get another one.....kinda like Replay Challenges.
Typically, we get 1 or 2 teams a yr to use it....but it never seems to play a big factor in the scores.
massraider
Footballguy
Why is this a problem?
Nemesis
Footballguy
I guess this is a personal preference, but our league was founded on the principle of planning ahead and making the draft more important. We also charge for transactions so if teams want to play weekly matchups.....they can, but it will cost them. We like the NFL General Manager aspect better.But, I know each league is different and that's ok.
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
What is the NFL trading deadline?
Cunk
Footballguy
In a keeper league the thing I like most about locked rosters is that it prevents teams who aren't in the playoff from dropping guys they aren't planning on keeping (but are still valuable right now) and picking up guys who may become starters next year due to injury in training camp or whatever.
For example, if I was out of the playoffs and had Thomas Jones and was allowed to add/drop I would drop Thomas Jones and pick up someone like Rasheed Jennings. Thus Thomas Jones, a solid play this year but not a keeper, would be out there for a playoff team to pick up. That doesn't sit well with me.
For example, if I was out of the playoffs and had Thomas Jones and was allowed to add/drop I would drop Thomas Jones and pick up someone like Rasheed Jennings. Thus Thomas Jones, a solid play this year but not a keeper, would be out there for a playoff team to pick up. That doesn't sit well with me.
mcnabbmcnow
Footballguy
I prefer guys to be punished who don't plan ahead, not to get a free pass or get out of jail free card anymore. It's bad enough in ESPN anymore that guys are given a free best player available list to look at, virtually a cheatsheet for people who didn't prepare for the draft. It's taken some of the fun out of it and made the lesser players have almost an equal chance of getting lucky.
Even in MLB they make teams lock in a playoff roster of who is on it and who is not. As a real general manager of a team, you have to make decisions, such as who to drop, who to keep on a playoff roster, who is an injury risk. That's the part of fantasy football I like. By adding players to rosters or allowing injury backups, you essentially take some of the managing out of it. We should be faced to make tough decisions.
Many people would have picked up Starks weeks ago, but in our league we don't have many extra roster spots for players to just sit there and hope they might play. Because these spaces are precious, no one would pick up Starks for the playoffs unless the KNEW he was playing and what his role would be, which we didn't until last week. Why should a 6 seed get an advantage over a 3 seed? The 3 seed if anything should be rewarded for his better record, not punished by having a lower waiver pick in playoffs. Generally in sports, the higher seed gets home field advantage, a bye, or any other reward, not the lower seed. I guess if waivers are done more randomly, then I could live with it, if they weren't by record, but I am still a supporter of no waivers in playoffs..
Even in MLB they make teams lock in a playoff roster of who is on it and who is not. As a real general manager of a team, you have to make decisions, such as who to drop, who to keep on a playoff roster, who is an injury risk. That's the part of fantasy football I like. By adding players to rosters or allowing injury backups, you essentially take some of the managing out of it. We should be faced to make tough decisions.
Many people would have picked up Starks weeks ago, but in our league we don't have many extra roster spots for players to just sit there and hope they might play. Because these spaces are precious, no one would pick up Starks for the playoffs unless the KNEW he was playing and what his role would be, which we didn't until last week. Why should a 6 seed get an advantage over a 3 seed? The 3 seed if anything should be rewarded for his better record, not punished by having a lower waiver pick in playoffs. Generally in sports, the higher seed gets home field advantage, a bye, or any other reward, not the lower seed. I guess if waivers are done more randomly, then I could live with it, if they weren't by record, but I am still a supporter of no waivers in playoffs..
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massraider
Footballguy
Hey, the #3 seed is getting rewarded, they get to play the #6 seed.In a league like yours, where you don't have many extra roster spots, it makes even less sense. With small rosters, you really can't 'plan ahead' for injuries.
Chaka
Footballguy
Why not?
massraider
Footballguy
Teams out of the playoffs, why are they making moves? If a non-playoff team drops Calvin Johnson week 15, and a playoff team picks him up.......In redraft, the only reason a non-playoff team would be making moves is to help/hurt one of the playoff teams.
Chaka
Footballguy
There are too many different ways people structure their waivers to address this completely so I will stick with a specific example. (However the notion of dropping Calvin is just crazy and likely a very rare occurrence. Not having rules to prevent those type of shenanigans should be considered a lesson learned the hard way.)*My league has weekly payouts to the highest scoring team and we have a losers bracket where the top two scoring non-playoff teams from week 15-16 (cumulative) get a 60:40 split of the waiver wire money collected from the season. We also have a toilet bowl for the worst two teams from the regular season who play H2H in week 17, loser buys the beer for the next draft. Those rules keep everyone interested enough to not tank.*On a side not I have never understood why people would cheat at a hobby. What the hell is wrong with people?
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montana_grizzly_bears
Footballguy
We created an injured reserve for the post season. All transaction end the week the playoffs begin unless a player hsa been deemed questionable for that week. You can roster someone as an injured reserve player at that point, but you cannot use them until it is your last option and the player you IRed cannot be used the rest of the season.
example: you have Cjohnson, Addai, Lynch, and Westbrook on your roster. You can IR Addai and add another rb, say Starks. You cannot use Starks though in a game unless both Lynch and Westbrook become injured. Works well for spots like QB, TE, and Kicker where people only carry one.
We made the rule up like 6-7 years ago when a team went into the postseason with Culpepper and Bouman as his QB's. Culpepper got hurt week 15, Bouman got hurt week 16, and the guy was SOL week 17 because even though he planned ahead his backup got hurt.
example: you have Cjohnson, Addai, Lynch, and Westbrook on your roster. You can IR Addai and add another rb, say Starks. You cannot use Starks though in a game unless both Lynch and Westbrook become injured. Works well for spots like QB, TE, and Kicker where people only carry one.
We made the rule up like 6-7 years ago when a team went into the postseason with Culpepper and Bouman as his QB's. Culpepper got hurt week 15, Bouman got hurt week 16, and the guy was SOL week 17 because even though he planned ahead his backup got hurt.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
In my main two leagues, if a player gets hurt after the FA cutoff, you may pick up their backup only. So if you have Chris Johnson and Ringer is available, you can take him. If there's a question as to which RB will be the 'main guy' you can choose.
It's worked fine for us so far.
It's worked fine for us so far.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
In our league the rosters do not lock. Even the losers are playing in their respective brackets. Allowing add/drops isn't an issue. Heck, we don't even have a trade deadline. You can keep making deals as long as your team is still in the running for the championship. It's a total redraft.
Somebody could dump all their good players but if it was clear that was going on I'd reverse the transactions and kick them out of the league. There needs to be a certain level of trust and competition.
Somebody could dump all their good players but if it was clear that was going on I'd reverse the transactions and kick them out of the league. There needs to be a certain level of trust and competition.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
If we're going into the world of hypotheticals all kinds of crazy stuff can happen. In reality, the vast majority of folk will not drop Calvin. If someone in my league pulled that move I would reverse it and give them the boot. Stuff like that can be fixed easily with a competent commish. Or maybe they'd still make moves because they're in the losers bracket, and the main reason we play is to have fun...so they're playing until the very last moment, just like the rest of us.
eaglezzz
Moderator
I play in a shallow league 12 roster spots and I have been hit like crazy with injuries. We look the waiver wire after week 12 and it really is not fair. We do have worst to first waiver wire pickup so until we change that to a blind bidding system I think our league will not change.
My RB's are
Goodson
J. Best
B. Wells
I have to start 2 of those bums for my first playoff game while the likes of Choice/Ivory/Starks/Greene/R.Williams are frozen on the waiver wire.
My RB's are
Goodson
J. Best
B. Wells
I have to start 2 of those bums for my first playoff game while the likes of Choice/Ivory/Starks/Greene/R.Williams are frozen on the waiver wire.
Chaka
Footballguy
What's wrong with that? If you don't like it charge money for WW moves.
Flash
Footballguy
/thread????One thing we do is lock rosters at wk 12 Sunday kickoff so everyone has to plan ahead........but we also give everyone 1 additional emergency FA pickup after the lock....but the cost is $10 and that money goes into the Weekly Winner pot so it benefits everyone.
Problem solved [/thread]
This rule allows for a major injury.......but doesn't allow teams to pick up the "flavor of the week kicker/defense" or pull "schenanigans". Also, there is strategy knowing that if you decide to use it, that you don't get another one.....kinda like Replay Challenges.
Typically, we get 1 or 2 teams a yr to use it....but it never seems to play a big factor in the scores.
Unless you have a 25 man roster, it's a terrible rule.
Flash
Footballguy
Exactly.I lock the rosters of the teams that don't make the playoffs. Once you're eliminated, your roster is locked.
FootballGuy22
Footballguy
I'm in favor of having some sort of process for FA pickups in the playoffs to safeguard where injuries occur. I don't think you can limit it if you have it though. I planned for the playoffs one year and added a backup K and still ended up playing in the Semi Finals with no K, even made it and lost in the finals only because the opposing K has 6 FG's. I don't think it's fair for anyone to be in this situation.
My league is a dynasty with small 16 man rosters too which makes it even more difficult to add depth. I also think it gives non-playoff teams an advantage since they can keep more potential keepers for next year on their roster instead of adding depth.
My league is a dynasty with small 16 man rosters too which makes it even more difficult to add depth. I also think it gives non-playoff teams an advantage since they can keep more potential keepers for next year on their roster instead of adding depth.
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Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Do you have a losers bracket?Flash said:
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
We lock it in our keeper league (keep 1 player).
A big reason is to not allow the non-playoff teams to shed their rosters and then try and pick up keeper potential players. I.E. Someone would never keep Tomlinson, so they drop LT to pick up a guy like James Starks just on the off chance Starks breaks out. Tomlinson still has value to many teams this year, and would have never been dropped otherwise.
If you only allowed playoff teams to make pickups, then it would mean they get an unfair advantage of picking up any potential keeper players who break out from week 14-16.
A big reason is to not allow the non-playoff teams to shed their rosters and then try and pick up keeper potential players. I.E. Someone would never keep Tomlinson, so they drop LT to pick up a guy like James Starks just on the off chance Starks breaks out. Tomlinson still has value to many teams this year, and would have never been dropped otherwise.
If you only allowed playoff teams to make pickups, then it would mean they get an unfair advantage of picking up any potential keeper players who break out from week 14-16.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Removing your trade deadline would also work.
mcnabbmcnow
Footballguy
I seriously never ever heard of someone losing two kickers in 3 weeks in the playoffs. I find that rather hard to believe. If what you are saying is true, you lost 2 kickers the first week of the playoffs? That's a 1 in 10,000 chance..
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kardplayer
Footballguy
Dealt with this different ways over the years...
Redraft - we used to lock them for playoffs to be more like the NFL. This was pre-internet also, so we may have been mirroring baseball more so (not like I was going to buy an NFL rulebook to try and find out). Then Gus Frerotte headbutted a wall in round 1 (or maybe the regular season finale), leaving his team with no QB and ever since we've allowed them.
Dynasty - we allow them throughout playoffs, but any players picked up during the playoffs are returned to the free agent pool right after the fantasy super bowl. The players dropped to make room stay dropped. There's thus no reason for non-playoff teams to participate, and no advantage for playoff teams.
Redraft - we used to lock them for playoffs to be more like the NFL. This was pre-internet also, so we may have been mirroring baseball more so (not like I was going to buy an NFL rulebook to try and find out). Then Gus Frerotte headbutted a wall in round 1 (or maybe the regular season finale), leaving his team with no QB and ever since we've allowed them.
Dynasty - we allow them throughout playoffs, but any players picked up during the playoffs are returned to the free agent pool right after the fantasy super bowl. The players dropped to make room stay dropped. There's thus no reason for non-playoff teams to participate, and no advantage for playoff teams.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
The main reasons are to plan ahead and also to lock rosters so that teams out of it don't drop players that they have no need for but playoff teams have a huge need for. For example, someone may never keep the "Miami Dolphins" but if they are playing the "Arizona Cardinals" in a playoff week, this is a huge advantage to a team that had no defense.The competitiveness of the league is important and this is why you have a trade deadline as well.Somebody brought up planning ahead and this is key because if you want to carry 2 kickers in case one gets injured that is your call, but then you get rid of a gut that may have upside next year that may get into a good situation next year. For example, maybe you feel Rashad Jennings may be good in the future (especially in a large keeper league where you keep more than 6 players or dynasty league) so do you take a chance on an extra kicker and drop Jennings in a dynasty league?theplayer11 said:
LowBb
Footballguy
So, a league member just dropped 6 players the week of the finals. He dropped Romo, Vernon Davis, Ahmad Bradshaw, Sea Bass, Lance Moore, and Miles Austin.
He has been, for some reason, grouchy all year at one of the teams in the finals. Also, this guy didn't make the playoffs. The guy that has gotten under his skin has pulled off some great trades and went from 0-5 to winning out and having a great team.
I think he dropped his players to help the other guy in the finals. I called him out on it and he said "I'm giving everyone a chance to get players." I smell a rat!!!
On one side I think this is total B. S. , but on the other side I can see people can do what ever they want to do. I like the lock out non-playoff teams alot, never really thought of that. I'm wondering what the take from the board is on guys dropping players durning playoffs to give others an advantage.
He has been, for some reason, grouchy all year at one of the teams in the finals. Also, this guy didn't make the playoffs. The guy that has gotten under his skin has pulled off some great trades and went from 0-5 to winning out and having a great team.
I think he dropped his players to help the other guy in the finals. I called him out on it and he said "I'm giving everyone a chance to get players." I smell a rat!!!
On one side I think this is total B. S. , but on the other side I can see people can do what ever they want to do. I like the lock out non-playoff teams alot, never really thought of that. I'm wondering what the take from the board is on guys dropping players durning playoffs to give others an advantage.
trader jake
Footballguy
Our league prefers to lock rosters for the playoffs. For those of you that prefer to keep them open...this idea seems like a great solution to some of the problems brought up in this thread.
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