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Why do so many "Sharks" still play in snake drafts (1 Viewer)

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Not trying to dis the snake draft folks. I've done several between 1994-2004. It just seems logical to me that if auctions are generally agreed upon as requiring more overall knowledge and strategy that more of the owners in this forum would be in auction format and therefore we'd see more auction threads and articles on the subject of auctions.

I just can't believe all of the "I'm drafting in the ____ spot, what do I do?" posts. Seems pretty simple - pick the highest valued player then go play Madden for 15 minutes until your turn comes up again.

I haven't heard of a single person who's ever gone back to a snake after trying an auction.

Just curious and looking for the rationale.

 
Auctions don't really work all that well for dynasty rookie drafts unless you give more $ to bad teams.

Then it's just the same as a snake draft anyways.

Excellent for redrafts, keepers, and initial dynasty drafts though.

 
Not trying to dis the snake draft folks. I've done several between 1994-2004. It just seems logical to me that if auctions are generally agreed upon as requiring more overall knowledge and strategy that more of the owners in this forum would be in auction format and therefore we'd see more auction threads and articles on the subject of auctions.I just can't believe all of the "I'm drafting in the ____ spot, what do I do?" posts. Seems pretty simple - pick the highest valued player then go play Madden for 15 minutes until your turn comes up again.I haven't heard of a single person who's ever gone back to a snake after trying an auction.Just curious and looking for the rationale.
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Harder to find auctions.

More players do snakes and understand it.

Also bigger contests are 95%+ snakes. Just the dominant format.

I like both.....

 
Would you like another Perrier, snob?
Read much?What part of the first or last sentence offended you? I'm asking a legitimate question from a professed group of experts -who I have great respect for and gather tons of useful info from.I obviously prefer auctions AND like I said have never met or heard from anyone on this board who stated they've done an auction and DID NOT prefer it. That being said, why is 90% of the material geared toward snake drafters? I have to assume most still draft this way but it flies in the face of logic if most on this board are avid FFL players. Now go fetch the keys to my Ferrari, peasant boy.
 
Not trying to dis the snake draft folks. I've done several between 1994-2004. It just seems logical to me that if auctions are generally agreed upon as requiring more overall knowledge and strategy that more of the owners in this forum would be in auction format and therefore we'd see more auction threads and articles on the subject of auctions.I just can't believe all of the "I'm drafting in the ____ spot, what do I do?" posts. Seems pretty simple - pick the highest valued player then go play Madden for 15 minutes until your turn comes up again.I haven't heard of a single person who's ever gone back to a snake after trying an auction.Just curious and looking for the rationale.
Great posting. I've often found that those snake wannabes clutter up the pool, and we should probably have a separate forum for them. "The Guppy Pool" sounds good. Of course, if we did that, then you and I would be the only two people in the Shark Pool, because we're obviously much smarter and better than every other poster here.Cheers!
 
Not trying to dis the snake draft folks. I've done several between 1994-2004. It just seems logical to me that if auctions are generally agreed upon as requiring more overall knowledge and strategy that more of the owners in this forum would be in auction format and therefore we'd see more auction threads and articles on the subject of auctions.

I just can't believe all of the "I'm drafting in the ____ spot, what do I do?" posts. Seems pretty simple - pick the highest valued player then go play Madden for 15 minutes until your turn comes up again.

I haven't heard of a single person who's ever gone back to a snake after trying an auction.

Just curious and looking for the rationale.
your post wouldnt have been seen as condescending if you had omitted the bolded section . . .
 
One thing I hate about fantasy baseball is that most leagues still play with a salary cap and I don't want that to creep into mainstream fantasy footabll. I have a wonderful dynasty baseball league that is free of dollar values on players, with the perfect setup that leads to maximum league activity, and I started it because I hate the salary cap leagues. One of these days others will see what I've done with this league and follow suit :goodposting: Auctions and dollar values on players have no place in fantasy football IMO.

Edited: I now realize that you can have auctions without a salary cap. Sorry for my ignorance. I guess it's the idea of salary cap leagues is what I'm against.

 
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Not trying to dis the snake draft folks. I've done several between 1994-2004. It just seems logical to me that if auctions are generally agreed upon as requiring more overall knowledge and strategy that more of the owners in this forum would be in auction format and therefore we'd see more auction threads and articles on the subject of auctions.I just can't believe all of the "I'm drafting in the ____ spot, what do I do?" posts. Seems pretty simple - pick the highest valued player then go play Madden for 15 minutes until your turn comes up again.I haven't heard of a single person who's ever gone back to a snake after trying an auction.Just curious and looking for the rationale.
Didn't we just do this earlier this week?I'd really like to know why you think that auctions require more knowledge and strategy. Give me some real complex auction strategy examples that aren't displayed in a redraft.ETA: I like both formats, but just don't see the huge difference between them.
 
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I haven't heard of a single person who's ever gone back to a snake after trying an auction.
You might want to sit down for this.I've done auctions, and I mostly just do snakes now.I do think that auction is a superior format, to be honest. But the timing is hard. I'd definitely do an auction over say a live snake draft, but I mostly just have time for slow snake drafts.
 
Auctions are by far a better format then snake drafts. It doesnt take much thought or planning to pick the best available player. With an auction draft you have to have be able to think on your feet. Every player is available in an auction draft. If you have the 8th pick in a snake draft you have no shot at LT.

I play in an auction with 12 teams and we have a 200 salary cap. Keeper players at a 10% increase from the previous year. This is by far the best league I have ever been in. I suggest everyone to give an auction draft a try. Its a longer draft but much more fun.

 
Auctions are by far a better format then snake drafts. It doesnt take much thought or planning to pick the best available player. With an auction draft you have to have be able to think on your feet. Every player is available in an auction draft. If you have the 8th pick in a snake draft you have no shot at LT. I play in an auction with 12 teams and we have a 200 salary cap. Keeper players at a 10% increase from the previous year. This is by far the best league I have ever been in. I suggest everyone to give an auction draft a try. Its a longer draft but much more fun.
Key words, "salary cap". Has no place in fantasy football imo. Each to their own, but I will slam it every chance I get, and I will never play in a salary cap league. I definitely don't want fantasy football to turn into fantasy baseball. If I had to guess, I would guess that salary cap fantasy football was created by a fantasy baseball guy.
 
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Not trying to dis the snake draft folks. I've done several between 1994-2004. It just seems logical to me that if auctions are generally agreed upon as requiring more overall knowledge and strategy that more of the owners in this forum would be in auction format and therefore we'd see more auction threads and articles on the subject of auctions.

I just can't believe all of the "I'm drafting in the ____ spot, what do I do?" posts. Seems pretty simple - pick the highest valued player then go play Madden for 15 minutes until your turn comes up again.

I haven't heard of a single person who's ever gone back to a snake after trying an auction.

Just curious and looking for the rationale.
your post wouldnt have been seen as condescending if you had omitted the bolded section . . .
I'll give you that. Not intended that way but my apologies. Lots of thin skin in here though I must say. I'd like to see more balance in the content and looking for reasons why it is not very balanced - that's all. And it's not just this sight but all of them. Seems slow to change but that would mirror my local league where we debated for 3 years before finally going auction.

 
Not trying to dis the snake draft folks. I've done several between 1994-2004. It just seems logical to me that if auctions are generally agreed upon as requiring more overall knowledge and strategy that more of the owners in this forum would be in auction format and therefore we'd see more auction threads and articles on the subject of auctions.I just can't believe all of the "I'm drafting in the ____ spot, what do I do?" posts. Seems pretty simple - pick the highest valued player then go play Madden for 15 minutes until your turn comes up again.I haven't heard of a single person who's ever gone back to a snake after trying an auction.Just curious and looking for the rationale.
Duh - because not everyone in the leagues they play in wants to change to a more complex and time consuming format.
 
Auctions are by far a better format then snake drafts. It doesnt take much thought or planning to pick the best available player. With an auction draft you have to have be able to think on your feet. Every player is available in an auction draft. If you have the 8th pick in a snake draft you have no shot at LT. I play in an auction with 12 teams and we have a 200 salary cap. Keeper players at a 10% increase from the previous year. This is by far the best league I have ever been in. I suggest everyone to give an auction draft a try. Its a longer draft but much more fun.
Key words, "salary cap". Has no place in fantasy football imo. Each to their own, but I will slam it every chance I get, and I will never play in a salary cap league. I definitely don't want fantasy football to turn into fantasy baseball.
Players arent assingned values in our league. You have to fill your roster but you can bid as much as you want for any player. And every team has a chance at him
 
Auctions are by far a better format then snake drafts. It doesnt take much thought or planning to pick the best available player. With an auction draft you have to have be able to think on your feet. Every player is available in an auction draft. If you have the 8th pick in a snake draft you have no shot at LT. I play in an auction with 12 teams and we have a 200 salary cap. Keeper players at a 10% increase from the previous year. This is by far the best league I have ever been in. I suggest everyone to give an auction draft a try. Its a longer draft but much more fun.
Key words, "salary cap". Has no place in fantasy football imo. Each to their own, but I will slam it every chance I get, and I will never play in a salary cap league. I definitely don't want fantasy football to turn into fantasy baseball. If I had to guess, I would guess that salary cap fantasy football was created by a fantasy baseball guy.
WHat's ironic about this is there is an ACTUAL cap in football and none in baseball.... who knew???
 
Auctions are by far a better format then snake drafts. It doesnt take much thought or planning to pick the best available player. With an auction draft you have to have be able to think on your feet. Every player is available in an auction draft. If you have the 8th pick in a snake draft you have no shot at LT. I play in an auction with 12 teams and we have a 200 salary cap. Keeper players at a 10% increase from the previous year. This is by far the best league I have ever been in. I suggest everyone to give an auction draft a try. Its a longer draft but much more fun.
Key words, "salary cap". Has no place in fantasy football imo. Each to their own, but I will slam it every chance I get, and I will never play in a salary cap league. I definitely don't want fantasy football to turn into fantasy baseball. If I had to guess, I would guess that salary cap fantasy football was created by a fantasy baseball guy.
WHat's ironic about this is there is an ACTUAL cap in football and none in baseball.... who knew???
Yes, that is ironic, yet irrelevent.
 
Would you like another Perrier, snob?
Read much?What part of the first or last sentence offended you? I'm asking a legitimate question from a professed group of experts -who I have great respect for and gather tons of useful info from.I obviously prefer auctions AND like I said have never met or heard from anyone on this board who stated they've done an auction and DID NOT prefer it. That being said, why is 90% of the material geared toward snake drafters? I have to assume most still draft this way but it flies in the face of logic if most on this board are avid FFL players. Now go fetch the keys to my Ferrari, peasant boy.
Dude, you need to take a chill pill. Did you not see my third post?But, whatever, Judge Smails. Enjoy your Sotheby's Draft. :mellow:
 
Auctions are by far a better format then snake drafts. It doesnt take much thought or planning to pick the best available player. With an auction draft you have to have be able to think on your feet. Every player is available in an auction draft. If you have the 8th pick in a snake draft you have no shot at LT. I play in an auction with 12 teams and we have a 200 salary cap. Keeper players at a 10% increase from the previous year. This is by far the best league I have ever been in. I suggest everyone to give an auction draft a try. Its a longer draft but much more fun.
Have you never played in a redraft where you can trade draft picks?If you have LT ranked at $80 and someone else has LT ranked at $90 you have no shot at LT in the auction either.
 
Not trying to dis the snake draft folks. I've done several between 1994-2004. It just seems logical to me that if auctions are generally agreed upon as requiring more overall knowledge and strategy that more of the owners in this forum would be in auction format and therefore we'd see more auction threads and articles on the subject of auctions.I just can't believe all of the "I'm drafting in the ____ spot, what do I do?" posts. Seems pretty simple - pick the highest valued player then go play Madden for 15 minutes until your turn comes up again.I haven't heard of a single person who's ever gone back to a snake after trying an auction.Just curious and looking for the rationale.
Duh - because not everyone in the leagues they play in wants to change to a more complex and time consuming format.
Thanks. The "Duh" argument wins again. Sorry for wasting your valuable time Mr. Einstein.
 
I like snake drafts. Any format that makes it a certainty beforehand who will be drafting when leaves a lot of room for someone to find an advantage by getting to know his leaguemates. The most fun I have in snake drafts is trying to project who everyone will take for the next 10 picks. Knowing who will fall and who won't provides a huge advantage.

Auction drafts have plenty of advantages, too, I'm just trying to show that Snake Drafts are not without their own charms.

 
Duh - because not everyone in the leagues they play in wants to change to a more complex and time consuming format.
We have an owner griping about us not going to auction this year, yet he also supported the 1 a.m. draft start time because many of the owners work at night. I am NOT doing an auction that starts at 1 a.m. :mellow:
 
I like auctions more, but 1) can't get all my friends on board for one, and 2) haven't really looked into it much, but am not sure where to do one online.

 
Would you like another Perrier, snob?
Read much?What part of the first or last sentence offended you? I'm asking a legitimate question from a professed group of experts -who I have great respect for and gather tons of useful info from.I obviously prefer auctions AND like I said have never met or heard from anyone on this board who stated they've done an auction and DID NOT prefer it. That being said, why is 90% of the material geared toward snake drafters? I have to assume most still draft this way but it flies in the face of logic if most on this board are avid FFL players. Now go fetch the keys to my Ferrari, peasant boy.
Dude, you need to take a chill pill. Did you not see my third post?But, whatever, Judge Smails. Enjoy your Sotheby's Draft. :mellow:
Was the third post the one with fewer than 4 words or a cartoon?Try putting a few of those symbols on your keyboard together in a coherent manner. They're called words.
 
The number one reason that snake drafts are prevalent is because the majority of leagues are on the internet and auctions are easiest live in person. I have done auction before and thoroughly enjoy them, but I am Air Force so I move around and leave alot so I have to use the internet. Additionally, snake formats are easier and not all players in the leagues I play in are "Sharks" like some of us. :mellow:

 
Auctions don't really work all that well for dynasty rookie drafts unless you give more $ to bad teams. Then it's just the same as a snake draft anyways.Excellent for redrafts, keepers, and initial dynasty drafts though.
Better to have assigned salaries for rookies in a rookie draft, and then use auctions for the vet auction and for blind bidding waivers. Having rookie draft picks are great for allowing trades which otherwise can be difficult in a hard salary cap league unless you allow owners to rewrite the salaries as part of a trade (which I don't care for).
 
Please, can someone itemize the greater strategy, advantages, and knowledge required for an auction draft?
With a snake draft, the players you are choosing from in the first 4-5 rounds is heavily influence by your draft slot. For example, if you are at 1.12/2.01, you are trying to figure out which of (Henry/Maroney/MJD/Portis/Top WR/etc.) is most undervalued. It doesn't really matter whether you think Gore or Westbrook is going to end up at #1 for the price of a #3-#5 pick, because you have no shot anyway (we all know that trading up in the first few rounds can be very expensive).Nevermind more exotic strategies like "three stud WR's plus MBIII, Cadillac and Owen Daniels". You could pull that off in an auction by a) nominating your sleeper RB's early to make sure you get them or b) being willing to bid say 20% over fair market value which makes it extremely likely that you'll get them. You really have no way to do that in redraft.
 
Please, can someone itemize the greater strategy, advantages, and knowledge required for an auction draft?
1) everyone has a shot at any player they want - absolutely the fairest way to draft.2) you have to play like a poker hand - nominating overhyped players or homer players early to get others to blow their cap money. knowing when to nominate a player you want or someone you don't want. Nominating lower valued players in the same tier with the hope that others will not get into a bidding war with you because they are targeting the higher valued guy in that same tier and you can get a bargain. knowing when to overpay - as is sometimes necessary so you don't get locked out of a tier.3) I don't think it requires any greater knowledge. I think most sharks would have a better time at the draft in this format as it plays out more like a poker game or chess match rather than simply taking the highest valued guy left on the board.Just a few things off the top of my head.
 
Auctions are by far a better format then snake drafts. It doesnt take much thought or planning to pick the best available player. With an auction draft you have to have be able to think on your feet. Every player is available in an auction draft. If you have the 8th pick in a snake draft you have no shot at LT. I play in an auction with 12 teams and we have a 200 salary cap. Keeper players at a 10% increase from the previous year. This is by far the best league I have ever been in. I suggest everyone to give an auction draft a try. Its a longer draft but much more fun.
Key words, "salary cap". Has no place in fantasy football imo. Each to their own, but I will slam it every chance I get, and I will never play in a salary cap league. I definitely don't want fantasy football to turn into fantasy baseball. If I had to guess, I would guess that salary cap fantasy football was created by a fantasy baseball guy.
You got no clue what you're missing. My dynasty league is more accurately a salary cap league with contracts. Pretty much everyone who is in it is loving the hell out of it, and I've already heard talk from guys in the league of getting their other leagues to migrate to a similar format. We've had 30 trades since May centered around the rookie draft and around teams clearing out cap room to give out contract extensions to their players who are good values. A smart owner gets to retain a lot of his team, but enough guys end up overpriced and cut that there is a good group of talent available each year that a good owner could turn his team around with.A well structured salary cap league takes all the best parts of FF and adds to them.
 
I find that the staunchest defenders of the draft format are those are afraid to try, what they fear is, the complexity of the auction format. It's like forcing your kid to learn to drive a stickshift if she don't wanna learn it. They'll defend the automatic transmission as the best thing around....because they know it.

I took...I mean...I DRAGGED my league into the auction format about six years ago.

I say "dragged" and I mean...DRAGGED 'em...kicking and screaming!

I had memebers threatening to quit. There was a move to oust me as Commissioner. They cried, #####ed, moaned, and whined about moving to the format because they didn't want to have to follow the "complexities" of it all.

Fear was the #1 reason NOT to move it...

"Don't fix it if it ain't broke" was the battle cry.

I explained to them that I wasn't an elected official....I was a benevolent dictator. We were moving to the auction.

Well, we did an auction and not one member of my 14-team league would go back to a draft if I tried to drag it back.

 
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3) I don't think it requires any greater knowledge. I think most sharks would have a better time at the draft in this format as it plays out more like a poker game or chess match rather than simply taking the highest valued guy left on the board.
I think it requires more knowledge. In a draft you can often get away with researching in detail a handful of players that will be available in the area you have picks each round. Hopefully people do more, but you can easily get by with a decent ADP sheet and your draft position.In an auction, you really can't say in advance if your best strategy is going to be taking a stud RB or two early and going light at other positions, or going with mediocre RBs and being strong at the other positions. You are potentially involved in every player and so to do your best you need to be familiar with all the players to know when someone is a bargain, when he isn't, and how much of a bargain compared to guys who are yet to be auctioned.Further, in an auction the people who truly understand how to figure out the value of players are able to put that to the test. In a draft the only increment of value is the difference from one pick to the next. LT vs SJax is a 1.1 vs a 1.2, and even in a league that trades a lot, the vast majority of your picks get locked in where they are. If you take LT over SJax, it really doesn't change which WR you get in the 5th round. In an auction league the difference between LT and SJax is very important and how much more someone is willing to pay for LT versus "settling" for SJax will more heavily impact that WR he ends up. The skilled owner is going to have to manage if the combination of LT and the worse WR is better than the combination of SJax and the better WR. When you end up with the same WR and a single draft pick in a draft, that just isn't a factor. In an auction it comes into play at every player nominated.
 
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Auctions are by far a better format then snake drafts. It doesnt take much thought or planning to pick the best available player. With an auction draft you have to have be able to think on your feet. Every player is available in an auction draft. If you have the 8th pick in a snake draft you have no shot at LT.

I play in an auction with 12 teams and we have a 200 salary cap. Keeper players at a 10% increase from the previous year. This is by far the best league I have ever been in. I suggest everyone to give an auction draft a try. Its a longer draft but much more fun.
You shouldn't and don't need LT to win a league. Putting together a team from a low draft spot is much more rewarding than the 1st pick (even though that 1st pick is awfully nice).And snake drafts aren't just picking the BPA. You should have an idea of what you're trying to do and who should be where and how far you're willing to let someone slide. All of that is dynamic in a snake draft. Not to mention the trading of picks and figuring out ways to get what you want.

This isn't a knock on auction drafts. They are just different. But for those of you that think a snake draft has no strategy and is "easy" doesn't really know how to draft well.

 
Would you like another Perrier, snob?
Read much?What part of the first or last sentence offended you? I'm asking a legitimate question from a professed group of experts -who I have great respect for and gather tons of useful info from.I obviously prefer auctions AND like I said have never met or heard from anyone on this board who stated they've done an auction and DID NOT prefer it. That being said, why is 90% of the material geared toward snake drafters? I have to assume most still draft this way but it flies in the face of logic if most on this board are avid FFL players. Now go fetch the keys to my Ferrari, peasant boy.
Dude, you need to take a chill pill. Did you not see my third post?But, whatever, Judge Smails. Enjoy your Sotheby's Draft. :lmao:
Was the third post the one with fewer than 4 words or a cartoon?Try putting a few of those symbols on your keyboard together in a coherent manner. They're called words.
Well, shucks, look: You really ARE a jerk. I take it all back. I guess I wasn't just kidding.Enjoy your Sotheby's auction. Pick me up some Tiffany's china. :lmao: Oh, and ... IBTL.
 
One thing I hate about fantasy baseball is that most leagues still play with a salary cap and I don't want that to creep into mainstream fantasy footabll. I have a wonderful dynasty baseball league that is free of dollar values on players, with the perfect setup that leads to maximum league activity, and I started it because I hate the salary cap leagues. One of these days others will see what I've done with this league and follow suit :lmao: Auctions and dollar values on players have no place in fantasy football IMO.
Maybe we're talking about two different things here, JohnnyU, but management of a salary cap, which is the crux of an auction format, is the very heart and soul of the game. Building the best possible team with the same amount of money as the next guy was the fuel of the game's founding fathers.If, however, you're talking about one of those silly leagues where salaries are assigned, then we may have some common ground between us. I don't get those at all. :lmao:

 
Would you like another Perrier, snob?
Read much?What part of the first or last sentence offended you? I'm asking a legitimate question from a professed group of experts -who I have great respect for and gather tons of useful info from.I obviously prefer auctions AND like I said have never met or heard from anyone on this board who stated they've done an auction and DID NOT prefer it. That being said, why is 90% of the material geared toward snake drafters? I have to assume most still draft this way but it flies in the face of logic if most on this board are avid FFL players. Now go fetch the keys to my Ferrari, peasant boy.
Dude, you need to take a chill pill. Did you not see my third post?But, whatever, Judge Smails. Enjoy your Sotheby's Draft. :lmao:
Was the third post the one with fewer than 4 words or a cartoon?Try putting a few of those symbols on your keyboard together in a coherent manner. They're called words.
Well, shucks, look: You really ARE a jerk. I take it all back. I guess I wasn't just kidding.Enjoy your Sotheby's auction. Pick me up some Tiffany's china. :lmao: Oh, and ... IBTL.
FOAD
 
Ah yes. The eternal argument between "this is the way the game is supposed to be played" vs "this is the FUN way to play the game". I've seen this a lot in video games over the years. A programmer can set the rules for everyone. When they set a rule that eschews "fun" for "purity" it can set off quite a firestorm of controversy. Fantasy football is truly grass roots, and no one can set the rules for all, which means everyone naturally gravitates towards whatever format is the most "fun". Not to mention that a slow snake draft maximizes the "on-demand" nature of the pasttime. When the GM is ready to make a pick, the draft is there for him at his or her leisure. Even if they are not on the clock yet, they can pre-select.

 
But anyway, the snake holds two major advantages:

1. Its more fun for most players.

2. Its closer to on-demand entertainment than an auction. An auction means setting aside a special time to get everyone together and do it at once, which is not on-demand.

 

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