DId I miss something?
DId a Congresswoman not bring this up?
And then didn't just about every Democrat who was running for POTUS, jump on board?
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Why do they need to know what guns I own? (1 Viewer)
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DId a Congresswoman not bring this up?
And then didn't just about every Democrat who was running for POTUS, jump on board?
timschochet
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A plan to eliminate fossil fuel use.
All of my internal combustion engines run on fossil fuels...yours?
SaintsInDome2006
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I don’t have a problem with guns, but I’d probably object to the government forcing me to possess something and I’d still sue.
In general no, but not because of the gun but because I’d have a serious problem with the government telling me I have to own something.
The Z Machine
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Ok, then we should get the government out of voting, and have them stay away from my guns too.
SaintsInDome2006
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The government can’t make me buy an American car. I do own a Jeep though. But I can’t drive a Formula 1 car though, and I understand that.
I’ll also add that when Katrina hit lots of people defended their homes with guns. There was a guy who famously sat on his St. Charles Avenue porch with a rifle. Otoh there were some bastards looting and also firing guns at cops and first responders.
I’ll also add that when Katrina hit lots of people defended their homes with guns. There was a guy who famously sat on his St. Charles Avenue porch with a rifle. Otoh there were some bastards looting and also firing guns at cops and first responders.
Cowboysfan8
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There are posters here, plenty of them, that would take my guns tomorrow if they could.
So how can you be so sure that the government will never try?
the moops
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This can be said about just about everything though. Slippery slope arguments and all.
There are posters here, plenty of them, that would outlaw all abortions tomorrow if they could. Plenty of posters that would institute a 70% tax on the super wealthy. Plenty of posters that would ban all muslims from entering this country. Plenty of posters who would force us to go all renewable energy in the next decade. Plenty of people that....
dkp993
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Not to jump into Tim’s discussion as I’m sure he’ll write a book in response to you but...
There are also posters here, not in the PSF but in the forum, that would force you to accept Jesus in your life and walk the religious path they do too if they could. The point is there are extremists on both sides, neither represent the likely outcome.
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Cowboysfan8
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Ok
Are you comfortable saying that any of these things WILL NEVER HAPPEN like tim is saying about guns?
IC FBGCav
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timschochet
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I don’t think you’re quite getting his point.
Just because some extremists believe something doesn’t mean we need to fear that it’s going to happen.
IC FBGCav
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I'm totally getting his point. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't necessarily make them extremists.
timschochet
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Of course it doesn’t. What makes someone an extremist, by definition, is to be for a policy or idea that the vast majority is opposed to.
In some ways I am an extremist. I have certain ideas that I know will never happen. But I’m realistic about it. And you guys should be too. You shouldn’t ever say “Oh we need to fear this because timschochet on the internet says he wants it to happen.”
Cowboysfan8
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Day to day...not very much I guess.
For 3.5 months or so starting in October, quite a bit. I'm a hunter. I don't carry. I don't even own a handgun.
When I was younger, it would've affected my day to day quite a bit more. I used to shoot alot more often, target (rifles) and trap (shotguns). I've been shooting since I was big enough to hold a gun
IC FBGCav
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This has nothing to do with my post but it currently legal. What’s the reason for having a car?
Cowboysfan8
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James Daulton
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Seriously? This is why having honest discussions is impossible. Every position is looked at from the extreme.
Just like guns, if we have to register, then the government will come take them away. There's zero room for compromise.
SAD
Herb
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I'm comfortable saying none of those things are going to happen. At least as long as we dont allow extremists to gain too much influence.
Unfortunately...
zoonation
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I think his point was that there is no real threat of the government taking away hundreds of millions of guns from the citizenry. Not how they would go about doing it if that unfounded ridiculously paranoid scenario played out.
And, he is right. Pure nonsense.
zoonation
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No one is arguing that people do not hold ridiculous beliefs. They are arguing that the fact they do is not a valid basis to oppose sensible gun policy.
Apple Jack
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Yep. The irony of these guys electing into office somebody who is actually a threat to bring about something like this is not lost on me.
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Agreed. Nobody is arguing that people do not hold ridiculous beliefs. People are disagreeing on what constitutes a ridiculous belief.
For a great many people, "ridiculous" equals "I strongly disagree with it".
The Green New Deal has some pretty significant proposals for change in it that five years ago, some people might have thought to be "ridiculous". And it had instant support from some of the most popular congresspeople as well as Presidential Candidates.
Cowboysfan8
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This is what happens in most threads in the PSF.
There are 2 ways of thinking.....the group think way and another way.
If you're not on the group think side, you're wrong/ridiculous/unsensible etc
And it took awhile, but the post right above yours that I'm quoting here is the patented "you're Trump voters" lol
Par for course
Edit to add: The "oops sorry, Gary Johnson voters har dee har har" should be coming soon
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Herb
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I should have elaborated on my above post. What you're talking about here is not the point I was trying to make.This is what happens in most threads in the PSF.
There are 2 ways of thinking.....the group think way and another way.
If you're not on the group think side, you're wrong/ridiculous/unsensible etc
And it took awhile, but the post right above yours that I'm quoting here is the patented "you're Trump voters" lol
Par for course
Edit to add: The "oops sorry, Gary Johnson voters har dee har har" should be coming soon
Extremism breeds extremism. So with the Trump penchant for racism (or if you prefer, his unwillingness to denounce it), which is an example of extremism for many (most) Americans, the reaction will be more of a willingness to accept the opposite extremism. For example, anti-gun legislation. And whether you believe gun confiscation is a real threat or not, logically if it were to ever come to fruition, a registry is undoubtedly the first step.
Extremism is the epitome of "boff sidez" behavior. I was not trying to exclusively attack Trump and his supporters. I was making a point about the overall political climate.
FWIW I'm not in favor of a registry. It's an invasion of privacy, period. And I will never be in support of that. But I have the luxury of never having had someone I know or care about directly harmed by random gun violence either. So, easy for me to say and all that.
So we have one group of Americans who thought that Trump would make a great President (and still think he is) and another extreme that think we should tear down existing wall on our border as well as thinking a Green new deal is possible by 2030? And you are asking me to assume we would never have a government that might confiscate at least certain types of guns?
Cowboysfan8
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Nah, I read your post the way you meant for it to be read I believe. No worries
I wasnt posting about you
msommer
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Well, I invite you to the USA shootings thread. In there you will see how "pro gun" posters will claim to be in favor of "common sense" gun control, the proceed to argue every suggestion down on whichever convenient grounds they can come up with, including but not limited to analogies about cars and DUIs
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Thanks but I'm afraid I'll get dragged down there.
No idea what kind of argument they're making. I do think just about any issue in society should be weighed with the positives and negatives. Do you disagree with that general thought?
BigSteelThrill
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This will certainly disrupt people that are not on the law abiding side. They will get busted with their illegal guns all the time. And its not like they will start dealing with the legal authorities on a regular basis.
msommer
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Not at all. It may just be my impression from that and other gun threads that the suggestions to solutions to a supposedly acknowledged issue come from one direction only
Sand
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California has gone around the 2nd amendment by trying to severely restrict ammunition purchases.
I don't for a second believe that if PA implements this that CA won't follow and some politician will think it's a good idea to charge $5,000 registration fee per gun, per year.
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BigSteelThrill
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Sand
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By that, I'd assume you have no issue with that kind of fee being levied per year for a registration ticket?
BTW, you have no constitutionally guaranteed right to own a car.
timschochet
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Come on Sand, really?
This is the sort of thing I’m talking about. Although I disagree with Sand a lot, I know him to be a very smart guy and a very thoughtful guy. But this- it’s irrational. And so many gun owners and conservatives think like this. It’s very depressing.
The Commish
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Right, but the post you were responding to was not talking about state specific laws and when you throw out that sort of Red Dawn situation, there's nothing about that situation that you could frame as a state situation. What am I missing?
The Commish
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Don't live in California and don't really pay attention to much that goes on out there. Can you explain this a little more? Is there laws addressing the making of your own munitions too? If you read the amendment to the Constitution the way our most adamant gun guys do, I don't see how a restriction on ammo is an attack on owning a gun.
First off, the red dawn reference was a joke. Then I gave my opinion that we could see states banning certain guns in our lifetime.
BigSteelThrill
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Yes, guns are of far greater importance. And they come with a constitutional well regulated stamp as well.
Bottomfeeder Sports
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I think it is pretty easy to assert that government has a legitimate, important, even compelling interest to minimize gun violence or at the very least find and prosecute those that commit crimes using guns. In addition I think that it seems rational that requiring registration seems at least to be related to these interest. I think that if one opposes such a registration they would need to demonstrate that such a gun registration is irrelevant to achieving these goals or that the relationship to achieving these goals is too weak. Or they need to argue that there are better ways to achieve the compelling interest that would be more narrowly focused rather than imposing a burden on tens of millions of otherwise law abiding citizens. While I'm not sure from a legal perspective they need to spell out these alternatives I think it would certainly help.
For those asserting we need to a gun registration I think the arguments should be along the lines of "nothing else" would serve this interest without imposing more upon the freedoms of people. I think that whenever you infringe on the rights of people to give more power to government policing abilities that it should be forced to face the higher levels of scrutiny (whether or not the courts agree -
) So my instincts are that the "burden of proof" is on the pro registration side. I'd assume that the facts are simply that there is not a better solution, but I'd feel better supporting such gun control if someone could make me look real silly for not really knowing how to argue why or how this ts the case.
Note to lawyer guys - forgive me for stealing your scrutiny and other language and maybe, probably causing you to cringe a bit.
For those asserting we need to a gun registration I think the arguments should be along the lines of "nothing else" would serve this interest without imposing more upon the freedoms of people. I think that whenever you infringe on the rights of people to give more power to government policing abilities that it should be forced to face the higher levels of scrutiny (whether or not the courts agree -
) So my instincts are that the "burden of proof" is on the pro registration side. I'd assume that the facts are simply that there is not a better solution, but I'd feel better supporting such gun control if someone could make me look real silly for not really knowing how to argue why or how this ts the case. Note to lawyer guys - forgive me for stealing your scrutiny and other language and maybe, probably causing you to cringe a bit.
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adonis
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I register my kids birth. My car. My birth. My marriage. Any significant financial transaction. My wages. My party affiliation. My address. My ethnicity. My occupation. The fact that I have insurance. If I withdraw or deposit large sums of money. Any conflicts I have between being an employee and an investor in a company.
I mean...that's just a start, really.
Why should I care more about gun registrations than I do about the other hundreds of things I have to register with the government about?
I mean...that's just a start, really.
Why should I care more about gun registrations than I do about the other hundreds of things I have to register with the government about?
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