Why don't we discuss Aaron Hernandez here? (2 Viewers)

[Maurile Tremblay]

I'm interested to see how much Hernandez was involved in drug selling or distribution and money laundering. Was he legit or a fake wannabe?

My guess is his defense lawyers will play up that AH was an extremely loyal friend who was very generous. They will say he gave money to friends who may have used it to sell drugs but that AH was not necessarily aware of what was happening. Seems like a stretch to me but they need to sell the narrative that AH had a bunch of leeches for friends that created bad situations around him.

"Police are said to have found other implicating evidence in Hernandez's apartment, including additional ammunition and a scale used to weigh drugs." (Link.)

 

[stbugs]

I think he has a decent shot of getting off if they don't recover the murder weapon.

At this point he has to be a 100:1 longshot to get off.They don't need the weapon. They have the bullets that were in the victim which match the bullets found in the rental car that drove past the security camera on the way to the murder site.

The average person that sits on a jury is dumb as rocks, they are usually swayed when one side has a superior lawyer. AH's lawyers will eat up the DA.

agreed. i bet he gets some outstanding lawyers on this one and either gets a light sentence or gets off.

You guys are insane. There is so much freaking evidence and timelines and motive, etc. Why would they need the weapon when they have security footage of him with a gun in perfect time (at the exact moment he would have returned based on the folks at the industrial park hearing the shots)?

Let's put it this way, imagine in the Casey Anthony trial that they had texts from her to her mom saying she was going to pick up her daughter at 5pm and had witnesses that saw her pick up her daughter. Then imagine that there was security footage of Casey walking into her house at 5:30 with a knife and it is a 25 minute drive to her house. Also, imagine that there is evidence that her daughter was killed at exactly 5:15 and exactly halfway between her mom's and her house with a knife matching the one Casey was holding. Also, imagine that there were other witnesses who earlier in the day heard Casey mentioning things about wanting to get rid of her daughter.

Do you think Casey would have gotten off then and if not, in what world can Hernandez get off in this trial?

I think people are looking at trials like OJ's or Casey Anthony and assuming Hernandez has the same shot. Outstanding lawyers aren't going to eat up a DA who has video, text and witness evidence that literally draws the entire picture of the murder before, after and during down to the minute. Those other trials where people got off, the evidence was there to a degree, but nothing remotely like the mountain of evidence in this case.

 

[HughHoney]

If I was engaged to that pig I'd probably kill somebody too.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So Ortiz wasn't at the car or at the murder scene? He says he was told that Hernandez told somebody else he pulled the trigger?

 

[NCCommish]

Final text conversation between Hernandez and Lloyd.

My thug-speak is a little rusty, but I believe they were discussing where the Mensa meeting is.

Is he trying to buy drugs? WTF is going on there.

Odin allegedly dealt pot. Before Hernandez called the girlfriend and told her to shut up she told police he was a pot dealer and that his phone rang at all hours with people wanting to buy. There have also been rumors he dealt coke.

 

[NCCommish]

So Ortiz wasn't at the car or at the murder scene? He says he was told that Hernandez told somebody else he pulled the trigger?

No Ortiz was in the car but didn't get out when Odin got shot. He said it was dark so he couldn't see who shot. When they got to the mansion he was told to go back out and fetch a gun from under Hernandez's seat and brought it to Hernandez. He was later told by one of the other two Hernandez pulled the trigger.

 

[randall146]

Final text conversation between Hernandez and Lloyd.

My thug-speak is a little rusty, but I believe they were discussing where the Mensa meeting is.

Is he trying to buy drugs? WTF is going on there.

Odin allegedly dealt pot. Before Hernandez called the girlfriend and told her to shut up she told police he was a pot dealer and that his phone rang at all hours with people wanting to buy. There have also been rumors he dealt coke.

HE = Hernandez or Odin?

 

[NCCommish]

Final text conversation between Hernandez and Lloyd.

My thug-speak is a little rusty, but I believe they were discussing where the Mensa meeting is.

Is he trying to buy drugs? WTF is going on there.

Odin allegedly dealt pot. Before Hernandez called the girlfriend and told her to shut up she told police he was a pot dealer and that his phone rang at all hours with people wanting to buy. There have also been rumors he dealt coke.

HE = Hernandez or Odin?

Hernandez

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

The articles I read stated that AH's girlfriend told police that Odin was a drug dealer.

 

[NCCommish]

The articles I read stated that AH's girlfriend told police that Odin was a drug dealer.

I read it was both of them. Maybe someone I read got it wrong.

 

[randall146]

I find it hard to believe Hernandez was the kind of drug dealer who's phone would go off at all hours, because one of his customers or competitors would have snitched on him if they got arrested and he would be such an attractive target for police to follow-up on.

I'd certainly believe he financed the movement of larger amounts of cocaine though.

 

[culdeus]

This may be one of the dumbest individuals on the planet. I almost wonder if he wanted to get caught. Almost.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

With all the rental cars, he definately was part of some drug running. They probably put money/drugs in the trunks and just swapped cars.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

With all the rental cars, he definately was part of some drug running.

Can't blame AH too much here, an NFL salary only takes you so far these days.

 

[Ignoramus]

With all the rental cars, he definately was part of some drug running.

Can't blame AH too much here, an NFL salary only takes you so far these days.

They may make a lot, but they spend a lot, too.

 

[Amused to Death]

With all the rental cars, he definately was part of some drug running.

Can't blame AH too much here, an NFL salary only takes you so far these days.

They may make a lot, but they spend a lot, too.

Drug money is also tax free and hidden from agents.

 

[NCCommish]

With all the rental cars, he definately was part of some drug running.

Can't blame AH too much here, an NFL salary only takes you so far these days.

They may make a lot, but they spend a lot, too.

We had a defensive end here in Charlotte that got cut years ago. It turned out his entire life was leased. When the paycheck stopped he had essentially nothing to show for years of high pay. Had to move back in with mom. And he had broken the cardinal rule, he didn't buy Mom a house when he made it big. So he moved back into the childhood home in his old bedroom. So amazingly stupid with money.

 

[cstu]

This may be one of the dumbest individuals on the planet. I almost wonder if he wanted to get caught. Almost.

 

[bshell27]

Make millions of dollars legally or play thug and live the gangsta life. Tough call. This may have won the 50/50 poll competition.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's not about money. It's about respek.

 

[Premier]

I still don't understand how he was able to learn an NFL play book.

 

[T Bell]

I still don't understand how he was able to learn an NFL play book.

It had pictures.

 

[mad sweeney]

This may be one of the dumbest individuals on the planet. I almost wonder if he wanted to get caught. Almost.

He might have a challenger. Former Husker and Patriots CB Alfonzo Dennard got buster for DUI early this morning in Lincoln. Talk about bad timing. He was already on probation for an assult convition that happend 3 days before the draft.

ETA: Current and former Huskers can drunk dial a random number in Lincoln and get a ride home. No questions asked.

These guys aren't playing the same game, much less being in the same ballpark, in respect to severity of crime, sheer stupidity and effect on lifestyle. Hernandez went from $40mil on a perpetual contender to a 5x9 cell for life and managed to have almost every minute of it on video or recorded via text or GPS, including his own security system. Dennard might get cut and do a year or two.

 

[mad sweeney]

This may be one of the dumbest individuals on the planet. I almost wonder if he wanted to get caught. Almost.

He might have a challenger. Former Husker and Patriots CB Alfonzo Dennard got buster for DUI early this morning in Lincoln. Talk about bad timing. He was already on probation for an assult convition that happend 3 days before the draft.ETA: Current and former Huskers can drunk dial a random number in Lincoln and get a ride home. No questions asked.

These guys aren't playing the same game, much less being in the same ballpark, in respect to severity of crime, sheer stupidity and effect on lifestyle. Hernandez went from $40mil on a perpetual contender to a 5x9 cell for life and managed to have almost every minute of it on video or recorded via text or GPS, including his own security system. Dennard might get cut and do a year or two.

I don't disagree, but the brass of the team you are playing for is in a surly mood. All you have to do is not be a dumb-#### and you are going to get paid next year.Hernandez at least, at the time and in his own mind, had a reason for what he did. Dennard was just a run of the mill dumb-#### for the sake of being a dumb-####. I'm not comparing the severity of crimes or potential for doing time.

Both of those are pretty big factors in figuring out how stupid the guy being stupid is. You said it right there, Dennard is run of the mill dumb. Run of the mill dumb is nowhere near being a challenger for how colossally stupid AH was, which was the claim you made that I was responding to.

 

[Slapdash]

This may be one of the dumbest individuals on the planet. I almost wonder if he wanted to get caught. Almost.

He might have a challenger. Former Husker and Patriots CB Alfonzo Dennard got buster for DUI early this morning in Lincoln. Talk about bad timing. He was already on probation for an assult convition that happend 3 days before the draft.ETA: Current and former Huskers can drunk dial a random number in Lincoln and get a ride home. No questions asked.

Haha. This guy was an idiot on the field too.

 

[mad sweeney]

Let me put it this way. Not the best analogy because the crimes are not apples-to-apples.

Your friend jumps off a bridge into unknowingly shallow water and breaks his legs. You know he broke his legs but still jump in and break your legs. Which one of you is more stupid?

Abesent the AH incident Dennard's infraction barely makes the news. It surely isn't a "Headline" on espn.com all day and you don't have Trey Wingo, Adam Schefter and Herm Edwards discussing the arrest.

dude, you're hopeless. AH is about as close to the first guy in your comparison as the Cookie Monster is to Hannibal lecter. And yes, they'd be discussing it. Pretty much every arrest in the offseason is covered. PDT even has a counter on its web page for how many days without an arrest. Quit trying, it's not worth it. AH's stupidity, on every possible level, is miles away from anyone since Rae Carruth, and he still probably beats Rae. Yes, Dennard was dumb and you can add on a little extra for doing it after the AH arrest. But it's still light years away from the stupidity displayed by AH.

 

[NCCommish]

Let me put it this way. Not the best analogy because the crimes are not apples-to-apples.

Your friend jumps off a bridge into unknowingly shallow water and breaks his legs. You know he broke his legs but still jump in and break your legs. Which one of you is more stupid?

Abesent the AH incident Dennard's infraction barely makes the news. It surely isn't a "Headline" on espn.com all day and you don't have Trey Wingo, Adam Schefter and Herm Edwards discussing the arrest.

dude, you're hopeless. AH is about as close to the first guy in your comparison as the Cookie Monster is to Hannibal lecter.And yes, they'd be discussing it. Pretty much every arrest in the offseason is covered. PDT even has a counter on its web page for how many days without an arrest. Quit trying, it's not worth it. AH's stupidity, on every possible level, is miles away from anyone since Rae Carruth, and he still probably beats Rae. Yes, Dennard was dumb and you can add on a little extra for doing it after the AH arrest. But it's still light years away from the stupidity displayed by AH.

Hey now at least Rae was smart enough not to pull the trigger or have people saying he did at least.

 

[KCitons]

Let me put it this way. Not the best analogy because the crimes are not apples-to-apples.

Your friend jumps off a bridge into unknowingly shallow water and breaks his legs. You know he broke his legs but still jump in and break your legs. Which one of you is more stupid?

Abesent the AH incident Dennard's infraction barely makes the news. It surely isn't a "Headline" on espn.com all day and you don't have Trey Wingo, Adam Schefter and Herm Edwards discussing the arrest.

Then the next guy to get arrested in the NFL will become the dumbest, and the one after him will then take the title, and so on?

Because I doubt we've seen the end of NFL players getting arrested.

 

[NCCommish]

Let me put it this way. Not the best analogy because the crimes are not apples-to-apples.

Your friend jumps off a bridge into unknowingly shallow water and breaks his legs. You know he broke his legs but still jump in and break your legs. Which one of you is more stupid?

Abesent the AH incident Dennard's infraction barely makes the news. It surely isn't a "Headline" on espn.com all day and you don't have Trey Wingo, Adam Schefter and Herm Edwards discussing the arrest.

Then the next guy to get arrested in the NFL will become the dumbest, and the one after him will then take the title, and so on?

Because I doubt we've seen the end of NFL players getting arrested.

I don't know. It is going to take a special level of dumb to compete here. Yeah a DUI is dumb especially when every team has car services players can use. But unless you tape yourself drinking, then tape yourself behind the wheel and then you send it to the local police you haven't hit this level of dumb.

 

[T Bell]

Maybe we're not giving him enough credit. Isn't this how Lex Luthor got his start?

 

[Premier]

Can you guys drop this lame ### argument. Who gives a ####?

 

[NCCommish]

Can you guys drop this lame ### argument. Who gives a ####?

Which lame ### argument and what do we have better to do in here? Don't think there have been any new murders tied to AH yet.

 

[T Bell]

Can you guys drop this lame ### argument. Who gives a ####?

You do.

 

[Billy Bats]

ETA: Current and former Huskers can drunk dial a random number in Lincoln and get a ride home. No questions asked.

Random number? So the whole town is on call?

 

[RCon]

Didn't see it posted anywhere yet. Brilliant move on the part of the Pouncey twins.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217760/article/maurkice-pouncey-apologizes-for-free-hernandez-hat

 

[fred_1_15301]

Didn't see it posted anywhere yet. Brilliant move on the part of the Pouncey twins.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217760/article/maurkice-pouncey-apologizes-for-free-hernandez-hat

 

[Otis]

Athletes are so, so dumb.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Athletes are so, so dumb.

I can't imagine too many things dumber than that regardless of how drunk they were

 

[T Bell]

Didn't see it posted anywhere yet. Brilliant move on the part of the Pouncey twins.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217760/article/maurkice-pouncey-apologizes-for-free-hernandez-hat

Twins, huh?

"Yo, dawg, I heard you like stupid..."

 

[RCon]

Didn't see it posted anywhere yet. Brilliant move on the part of the Pouncey twins.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217760/article/maurkice-pouncey-apologizes-for-free-hernandez-hat

Twins, huh?

"Yo, dawg, I heard you like stupid..."

Are they not twins? I wouldn't know. The article refers to them as twins, so I went with it.

 

[T Bell]

Didn't see it posted anywhere yet. Brilliant move on the part of the Pouncey twins.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217760/article/maurkice-pouncey-apologizes-for-free-hernandez-hat

Twins, huh?

"Yo, dawg, I heard you like stupid..."

Are they not twins? I wouldn't know. The article refers to them as twins, so I went with it.

No, they're really twins, and the stupid shtick was directed at them, not you.

So I'm glad I could clarify that for you, you dummy

 

[KCitons]

Let me put it this way. Not the best analogy because the crimes are not apples-to-apples.

Your friend jumps off a bridge into unknowingly shallow water and breaks his legs. You know he broke his legs but still jump in and break your legs. Which one of you is more stupid?

Abesent the AH incident Dennard's infraction barely makes the news. It surely isn't a "Headline" on espn.com all day and you don't have Trey Wingo, Adam Schefter and Herm Edwards discussing the arrest.

Then the next guy to get arrested in the NFL will become the dumbest, and the one after him will then take the title, and so on?Because I doubt we've seen the end of NFL players getting arrested.

Same team I believe makes a difference. When they were talking about it on ESPN it was a big deal that he did this with all the other stuff going on (AH) in the organization. You can't disagree that it is the worst timing by Dennard.

Maybe being a Husker fan is clouding my judgement. He was projected round 2-3 in the draft before he got into trouble and fell to round 7 because of it. I believe he worked his way into the starting lineup.

I want to slap him upside the head. If this violates his probation and he serves 1+ years, his career is over before it started.

No I am not comparing the crimes of AH and Fonzie. <-- Husker speak. :finger:

I get the stupid bonus for being on the same team. I was thinking more along the lines of Rae Carruth being Lloyd Christmas and Aaron Hernandez being Harry Dunne. LINKY

BTW, Husker fan here also. Had high hopes for Dennard. Played pretty well last year.

 

[Premier]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/07/15/life-inside-prison-for-aaron-hernandez/k5GQZjyKZvy5aRgnZ3ndFL/story.html

Awesome article.

For 21 hours per day, Hernandez is locked in a 7-foot-by-10-foot single cell. There is no air conditioning, no television, no coffee, and no weight room.

 

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http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/07/15/life-inside-prison-for-aaron-hernandez/k5GQZjyKZvy5aRgnZ3ndFL/story.html

Awesome article.

For 21 hours per day, Hernandez is locked in a 7-foot-by-10-foot single cell. There is no air conditioning, no television, no coffee, and no weight room.

CRIMINAL! This is really going to cut into his numbers in the first half of the season.

 

[johnnycakes]

His uniform is now dark green, the color of pretrial prisoners. They look like New York Jets colors.

Don't we have laws against such cruel and unusual punishment?

 

[cstu]

Let me put it this way. Not the best analogy because the crimes are not apples-to-apples.

Your friend jumps off a bridge into unknowingly shallow water and breaks his legs. You know he broke his legs but still jump in and break your legs. Which one of you is more stupid?

Abesent the AH incident Dennard's infraction barely makes the news. It surely isn't a "Headline" on espn.com all day and you don't have Trey Wingo, Adam Schefter and Herm Edwards discussing the arrest.

Then the next guy to get arrested in the NFL will become the dumbest, and the one after him will then take the title, and so on?Because I doubt we've seen the end of NFL players getting arrested.

I find it hard to believe that we'll have another 23 yo player who is set for life financially and part of a Super Bowl contending team decide to become a drug kingpin and kill people in his spare time.

 

[Keerock]

The sheriff acknowledged Hernandez “presents well.” But said it gets him no special privileges here.

That should serve him well when he gets in a prison's general population.

 

[CBusAlex]

I find it hard to believe that we'll have another 23 yo player who is set for life financially and part of a Super Bowl contending team decide to become a drug kingpin and kill people in his spare time.

Not for at least a couple of months, anyway.

 

[Godsbrother]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/07/15/life-inside-prison-for-aaron-hernandez/k5GQZjyKZvy5aRgnZ3ndFL/story.html

Awesome article.

For 21 hours per day, Hernandez is locked in a 7-foot-by-10-foot single cell. There is no air conditioning, no television, no coffee, and no weight room.

No sympathy for him but man it would really suck to know you screwed up so bad that you lost your freedom, fame, women, money, and living in a mansion to the conditions shown in the article.

 

[tri-man 47]

"When Hernandez initially arrived, he asked about quenching his thirst. Officers pointed to the sink."

'PTTS'