Why don't we discuss Aaron Hernandez here? (1 Viewer)

[TheIronSheik]

Rolling Stone did a huge background investigation and article on the murder. The managing editor said there is almost no chance Hernandez gets convicted of murder, and he'll be back in the NFL in less than three years. Apparently he was all Angel dusted up but there is no murder weapon, no witnesses and no motive. He'll have to eat a gun charge, that's it.

I enjoyed the article but I question their conclusion that the state doesn't have an excellent case. Circumstantial evidence very often is enough to convict, and it can be better than eyewitness testimony in many cases because eyewitnesses notoriously recall things incorrectly or are not credible. And there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence here.

A case doesn't need to be airtight. If it did, the jails would be empty. People have been convicted of murder without a dead body being found.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Rolling Stone did a huge background investigation and article on the murder. The managing editor said there is almost no chance Hernandez gets convicted of murder, and he'll be back in the NFL in less than three years. Apparently he was all Angel dusted up but there is no murder weapon, no witnesses and no motive. He'll have to eat a gun charge, that's it.

I enjoyed the article but I question their conclusion that the state doesn't have an excellent case. Circumstantial evidence very often is enough to convict, and it can be better than eyewitness testimony in many cases because eyewitnesses notoriously recall things incorrectly or are not credible. And there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence here.

A case doesn't need to be airtight. If it did, the jails would be empty. People have been convicted of murder without a dead body being found.

One of the better points made in the Rolling Stone article is that in high-profile murder cases with wealthy defendants, it pretty much DOES need to be airtight. An exceptional criminal defense attorney can get the jury to pretty much disregard the word "reasonable" from the standard for conviction. Any doubt at all is often enough, no matter how far-fetched.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Rolling Stone did a huge background investigation and article on the murder. The managing editor said there is almost no chance Hernandez gets convicted of murder, and he'll be back in the NFL in less than three years. Apparently he was all Angel dusted up but there is no murder weapon, no witnesses and no motive. He'll have to eat a gun charge, that's it.

I enjoyed the article but I question their conclusion that the state doesn't have an excellent case. Circumstantial evidence very often is enough to convict, and it can be better than eyewitness testimony in many cases because eyewitnesses notoriously recall things incorrectly or are not credible. And there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence here.

A case doesn't need to be airtight. If it did, the jails would be empty. People have been convicted of murder without a dead body being found.

One of the better points made in the Rolling Stone article is that in high-profile murder cases with wealthy defendants, it pretty much DOES need to be airtight. An exceptional criminal defense attorney can get the jury to pretty much disregard the word "reasonable" from the standard for conviction. Any doubt at all is often enough, no matter how far-fetched.

Getting a first degree murder charge isn't merely based on the defendants timeline. His only problem IMO is he has no alibi, other than that based on what we know a 1st degree murder conviction seems like a reach. I mean no motive, no gun, and the dude was Angel Dusted out. The defense can claim he was so high that his sister found him wandering around in the woods with no pants.

 

[RUSF18]

I don't believe for one second that Kraft didnt know the details about AH. Some of these teams have bigger security departments on staff than some American small towns. They know what's going on with their million dollar investments, especially a guy like Kraft.

The full RS article is out now. They call out Kraft's comments as "arrogant nonsense," and they really go after the Pats pretty hard. More so than even the previous tidbits suggest. It's to the point where it almost seems like they have an agenda. I would just say they don't deserve the praise they got for cutting him quickly and leave it at that. The article goes way past that. For example:

Time was, the Pats were the Tiffany franchise, a team of such sterling moral repute that they cut a player right after they drafted him, having learned he had a history of assaulting women. But Beli-chick, the winner of three Super Bowl titles and grand wizard of the greatest show on turf, had decided long before he got to New England that such niceties were beneath him. Over a decade, he’d been aggregating power unto himself, becoming the Chief Decider on personnel matters. He signed so many players bearing red flags they could have marched in Moscow’s May Day parade (Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, et al.), and began drafting kids with hectic pasts, assuming the team’s vets would police them. Some of this was arrogance, some of it need: When you’re picking from the bottom of the deck each spring, you’re apt to shave some corners to land talent

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Well, Ron Borges from the Herald is one of the writers. Well known now for over a decade to have a major hard on against the Pats and BB. In addition to this article, he is also known for sucker punching a fellow reporter and being suspended for plagiarism.

Didn't know that but it doesn't surprise me. I mean I obviously thought Kraft was completely full of it before I even read the article and as I said a few times I think it's hilarious that people have been praising the Pats over their handling of this, and even I came away thinking the article was way over the top. If you read it there's plenty more implications that the Belicheck era of the Pats bear some blame; stuff like overhauling their security and losing/ignoring police contacts, etc. Seemed to have an agenda.

I found it interesting that the Pats took a shot for this. I would think it would be better to not have that connection to local law enforcement. Let's be honest...when you hear of cops giving a franchise/college a heads up about guys getting in trouble, more often that not I'm sure it's in a way that gets them out of legal trouble and keeps them and the team off of ESPN and Deadspin. I strongly doubt there's much in the way of actual concern coming from local cops about the well-being of athletes.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Rolling Stone did a huge background investigation and article on the murder. The managing editor said there is almost no chance Hernandez gets convicted of murder, and he'll be back in the NFL in less than three years. Apparently he was all Angel dusted up but there is no murder weapon, no witnesses and no motive. He'll have to eat a gun charge, that's it.

The bold is just brain-dead, and detracts from the credibility of anything else he says as well.

The gun charges alone are worth five years or so.

Also, while the case against Hernandez for murdering Lloyd appears to me to be very strong, it's not the only murder charge he'll face. There are other murders as well, where they do have the murder weapon, witnesses, motive, etc.

 

[McGarnicle]

This seems like the kind of case where maybe the prosecution doesn't have iron clad proof, but when you take all the events and put them together, there is no other conclusion for a logical person to reach other than he was pissed at the guy and decided to take him for a ride and murder him. Beyond a reasonable doubt easily IMO. Unfortunately a good defense attorney will fight to get as many mouth-breathing idiots on the jury as possible, and then spin a really rich alternate story to create doubt. See OJ and Casey Anthony. The combination of gullible jurors and a real whopper of a defense delivered with a straight face are both key elements. Therefore it's a coin flip whether he gets convicted or not.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Just another case of the Man keeping an hermano down

 

[johnnycakes]

Interesting how we've gone from "he's guilty as sin of everything... including whatever Whitey Bulger was acquitted of" to "well... maybe just the gun charges."

 

[Rayderr]

Interesting how we've gone from "he's guilty as sin of everything... including whatever Whitey Bulger was acquitted of" to "well... maybe just the gun charges."

I don't think that's what people are saying at all.

 

[johnnycakes]

Interesting how we've gone from "he's guilty as sin of everything... including whatever Whitey Bulger was acquitted of" to "well... maybe just the gun charges."

I don't think that's what people are saying at all.

I was being facetious about the Whitey Bulger charges.

 

[Otis]

Rolling Stone did a huge background investigation and article on the murder. The managing editor said there is almost no chance Hernandez gets convicted of murder, and he'll be back in the NFL in less than three years. Apparently he was all Angel dusted up but there is no murder weapon, no witnesses and no motive. He'll have to eat a gun charge, that's it.

I enjoyed the article but I question their conclusion that the state doesn't have an excellent case. Circumstantial evidence very often is enough to convict, and it can be better than eyewitness testimony in many cases because eyewitnesses notoriously recall things incorrectly or are not credible. And there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence here.

A case doesn't need to be airtight. If it did, the jails would be empty. People have been convicted of murder without a dead body being found.

One of the better points made in the Rolling Stone article is that in high-profile murder cases with wealthy defendants, it pretty much DOES need to be airtight. An exceptional criminal defense attorney can get the jury to pretty much disregard the word "reasonable" from the standard for conviction. Any doubt at all is often enough, no matter how far-fetched.

Getting a first degree murder charge isn't merely based on the defendants timeline. His only problem IMO is he has no alibi, other than that based on what we know a 1st degree murder conviction seems like a reach. I mean no motive, no gun, and the dude was Angel Dusted out. The defense can claim he was so high that his sister found him wandering around in the woods with no pants.

Alibi??

They have him on video, getting into the car, driving the car to the crime scene, with video all along the way, place the car at the crime scene, video of him driving back home, and then video of him leaving the same car with the same people and carrying a gun.

Exactly what kind of alibi is even possible here? It's not like he can claim he was at Ikea at the time.

 

[johnnycakes]

Who says there's no motive and no witnesses? Where's that coming from?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Who says there's no motive and no witnesses? Where's that coming from?

The same ridiculous article that says Belichick instructed him to get a flop house once AH told him he feared for his life.

 

[Rayderr]

FALL RIVER, Mass. (AP) -- The girlfriend of former New England Patriot Aaron Hernandez has been indicted on a perjury charge in connection with the killing of his friend, a Massachusetts prosecutor said Friday, bringing to five the number of people facing charges in the case.

A grand jury indicted Shayanna Jenkins, 24, on a single count in relation to the investigation into the June 17 killing of Odin Lloyd, Bristol County District Attorney Samuel Sutter said.

It wasn't clear what led to the charge. Sutter's spokesman, Gregg Miliote, said he could not comment until her arraignment, which has not been set. A message left for Jenkins' lawyer was not immediately returned.

Lloyd, a 27-year-old semiprofessional football player from Boston, was found shot to death in an industrial park in North Attleborough, Mass., near Hernandez's home, where Jenkins also lives. Lloyd had been dating Jenkins' sister.

Jenkins was not arrested and will be ordered to appear in court for an arraignment, the prosecutor's office said. She and Hernandez have a young child together.

Hernandez has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder and weapons charges in Lloyd's death and is being held without bail. His attorneys have said the state won't be able to prove its case during a jury trial and that Hernandez will be exonerated.

Prosecutors say Hernandez killed Lloyd because he was upset with him for talking to some people at a nightclub with whom he had had problems.

Prosecutors said as recently as Thursday that the investigation was ongoing, the grand jury was continuing to hear evidence and that more charges could be coming.

In addition to Hernandez and his girlfriend, three others face charges in the case. Hernandez associate Ernest Wallace has pleaded not guilty to being an accessory to murder after the fact.

Another associate of Hernandez, Carlos Ortiz, also was indicted on the same charge, Sutter said Friday.

Ortiz's attorney, John Connors, said Friday that the indictment wasn't unexpected. He said Ortiz will plead not guilty to the new charge and that he will make an argument for bail but had no further comment. A hearing on the gun charge that was scheduled for Friday was canceled.

Given the indictment, Ortiz's case now shifts to superior court in Fall River. His arraignment there has not been scheduled.

Hernandez's cousin, Tanya Singleton, also was indicted on a new charge of conspiracy to commit accessory after the fact, Sutter said. Prosecutors say that in the days after the killing, she drove with Wallace from her home in Bristol, Conn., where Wallace had lived at times, to Georgia, where her car broke down, and that she then bought him a bus ticket to Florida, where his family lives.

Singleton had been indicted earlier on a charge of criminal contempt after allegedly refusing to testify before the grand jury hearing evidence in the case. Prosecutors say they offered her immunity.

A message seeking comment was left for her attorney.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130927/aaron-hernandez-girlfriend-indicted-perjury.ap/#ixzz2gC4LJ3sS

 

[fantasycurse42]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/09/27/carlos-ortiz-aaron-hernandez-indicted-accessory-to-murder/2882415/

Carlos Ortiz has slightly changed his story... As guilty as AH is, this will get him a hung jury on the murder charge... There will be one big, fat, dumb drunk idiot who will just refuse to convict.

Hopefully they send him away for 30-40 years on sentences to run consecutively on the gun charges. This dude doesn't belong out in society.

 

[T Bell]

Third person associated with Hernandez ends up dying

 

[flapgreen]

I feel like I may end up dead by coming in this thread.

 

[Premier]

"The cause of Perry's death is being investigated but is not considered suspicious"

Yea 27 year olds commonly just drop dead for no reason.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

i may just delete any derogatory posts about AH from the internet.

 

[flapgreen]

"The cause of Perry's death is being investigated but is not considered suspicious"

Yea 27 year olds commonly just drop dead for no reason.

Careful...

 

[Das Boot]

"The cause of Perry's death is being investigated but is not considered suspicious"

Yea 27 year olds commonly just drop dead for no reason.

You're on the list.

 

[Premier]

Aaron > if you are looking for me, my name is Tim Schocet.

 

[Fennis]

I'm starting to understand all the injuries to Gronk.

 

[flapgreen]

If Gronk was involved, he would have already died of "natural" causes...

 

[Fennis]

GRANDMA

 

[Sinn Fein]

 

[squidrope]

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[PinkydaPimp]

http://nesn.com/2014/02/report-aaron-hernandez-attacked-fellow-inmate-at-bristol-county-jail/

 

[fantasycurse42]

Indicted on double murder:

Aaron Hernandez indicted in 2012 double homicide

By Dan Hanzus

Around the League Writer

Quote

Former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez was indicted Thursday on two counts of first-degree murder related to the deaths of two men outside a Boston nightclub in 2012.

Hernandez is accused of murdering Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado on June 26, 2012. The two men were shot to death after an individual riding in an SUV with Rhode Island plates allegedly pulled up alongside their car and opened fire in Boston's South End.

Suffolk County District Attorney Daniel Conley laid out the specifics of the case during a Thursday news conference. Conley identified Hernandez as the alleged shooter in the crime.

"When the victims' car stopped at a red light on Sherman Avenue waiting to turn onto Herald Street, the SUV pulled up beside the victims' car on the right," Conley explained. "Aaron Hernandez then fired a .38 caliber revolver multiple times from the driver's side of his vehicle into the passenger side of the victims' vehicle."

Conley said a "chance encounter" between Hernandez and the victims triggered a series of events that ended with the fatal shootings. Conley said the victims had no known connections to gangs, guns or any crimes.

"This case was about two victims who were stalked, ambushed and senselessly murdered," Conley said.

Conley said police have recovered the murder weapon from an individual with ties to Hernandez. The SUV believed to be at the scene was found in the garage of a Hernandez family member.

Hernandez has been in jail since last June for his alleged role in the shooting death of semi-pro football player Odin Lloyd, whose body was found in an industrial park near Hernandez's North Attleborough, Mass., home on June 17, 2012. Hernandez has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder in the Lloyd case and is being held without bail.

Hernandez was in the news earlier this month after a Bristol County grand jury indicted him on charges related to the assault of a fellow inmate at the Bristol County House of Correction.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I'll take killed more people than OJ for $500:

Who is Aaron Hernandez, Alec.

 

[Rayderr]

I'll take killed more people than OJ for $500:

Who is Aaron Hernandez, Alec.

That's also the question for Stupidest people in the world for $1000.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'll take killed more people than OJ for $500:

Who is Aaron Hernandez, Alec.

Hilarious, incredibly inappropriate joke in comments on Deadspin:

If only he'd killed one more person, then the city of Boston could have really used him as a rallying point.

 

[McGarnicle]

Can't believe how they're trying to railroad this guy. Now they'll just try to pin any unsolved murders on him just because he's a well known guy.

I hope the Giants pick him up once he's acquitted of all this crap.

 

[mquinnjr]

Seems like Aaron has a few skeletons in his closet.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I'd be willing to bet there are others too... In these 3 we know about, I'd wager my job that he is the trigger man.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Seems like this case if pretty weak to get a murder conviction, I think he walks on the 2012 murders.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Seems like this case if pretty weak to get a murder conviction, I think he walks on the 2012 murders.

Supposedly they have the weapon

 

[fantasycurse42]

Can't believe how they're trying to railroad this guy. Now they'll just try to pin any unsolved murders on him just because he's a well known guy.

I hope the Giants pick him up once he's acquitted of all this crap.

He goes to the Jets... He'll want revenge (on the field, not murder) for the Pats preemptively cutting him.

 

[McGarnicle]

Can't believe how they're trying to railroad this guy. Now they'll just try to pin any unsolved murders on him just because he's a well known guy.

I hope the Giants pick him up once he's acquitted of all this crap.

He goes to the Jets... He'll want revenge (on the field, not murder) for the Pats preemptively cutting him.

If he wants to beat the Pats, the Giants would be the better option.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Imagine how many people he would've killed if he didn't make it to the NFL?

He would've been killing semi-daily until caught, although he isn't bright (so he would've been caught quickly), I think he would've been much more dangerous had he not made it to the NFL.

We know of 3 murders and one attempted as of now... His "friend" who he shot in the face that is suing him, these 2, & the Lloyd killing.

 

[NCCommish]

Imagine how many people he would've killed if he didn't make it to the NFL?

He would've been killing semi-daily until caught, although he isn't bright (so he would've been caught quickly), I think he would've been much more dangerous had he not made it to the NFL.

We know of 3 murders and one attempted as of now... His "friend" who he shot in the face that is suing him, these 2, & the Lloyd killing.

Aren't they still trying to pin a murder in Gainesville on him?

 

[fantasycurse42]

Imagine how many people he would've killed if he didn't make it to the NFL?

He would've been killing semi-daily until caught, although he isn't bright (so he would've been caught quickly), I think he would've been much more dangerous had he not made it to the NFL.

We know of 3 murders and one attempted as of now... His "friend" who he shot in the face that is suing him, these 2, & the Lloyd killing.

Aren't they still trying to pin a murder in Gainesville on him?

Death penalty?

 

[Big Cat]

Can't believe how they're trying to railroad this guy. Now they'll just try to pin any unsolved murders on him just because he's a well known guy.

I hope the Giants pick him up once he's acquitted of all this crap.

He's already convicted of anything they put on him.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

He's lucky they already found the Boston Strangler.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Imagine how many people he would've killed if he didn't make it to the NFL?

He would've been killing semi-daily until caught, although he isn't bright (so he would've been caught quickly), I think he would've been much more dangerous had he not made it to the NFL.

We know of 3 murders and one attempted as of now... His "friend" who he shot in the face that is suing him, these 2, & the Lloyd killing.

Aren't they still trying to pin a murder in Gainesville on him?

No. He played at Florida, so "they" would never do that.

There is an unsolved murder from his time in Gainesville that he was questioned about, but no charges were brought, and it didn't seem to be followed up on.

 

[fantasycurse42]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/05/28/aaron-hernandez-pleads-not-guilty-to-two-counts-of-first-degree-murder/

Anyone see the arraignment or hear the evidence? Curious if this is as iron clad as the Lloyd case?

 

[avoiding injuries]

The prosecutor is saying he killed the two men over a spilled drink.

http://deadsp.in/2n7G4dR

 

[fantasycurse42]

The prosecutor is saying he killed the two men over a spilled drink.

http://deadsp.in/2n7G4dR

Was it the premium liquor or the cheap house stuff?

 

[mquinnjr]

The prosecutor is saying he killed the two men over a spilled drink.

http://deadsp.in/2n7G4dR

 

[mquinnjr]

The prosecutor is saying he killed the two men over a spilled drink.

http://deadsp.in/2n7G4dR

Was it the premium liquor or the cheap house stuff?

If it was milk, we've learned (allegedly) Aaron doesn't cry over it - he gets even.