Why is Beanie Wells not climbing rankings? (2 Viewers)

[Couch Potato]

Third, as a Bears fan watching Chester Taylor all last season and this preseason, if the Cardinals bring him in, he will be absolutely no threat to Wells - he will be a warm body to pick up 4-6 carries a game and pass block once in a great while.

Amen to that. Chester is so washed up it isn't funny. Anyone adding him does so solely on past rep. Slow and lumbering, no wiggle. He's lost whatever he once had.

 

[rocketsauce]

He moved up from RB47 to RB35 for me, and I see little to no chance of him going any higher before my draft on Saturday. He's an average NFL running back, with injury issues, running behind a below average offensive line, with a below average quarterback. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to like here. He moved up solely based on opportunity and at least one of the spots between those numbers being vacated by Ryan Williams.

I had him RB34 last year, while numerous sites were slobbering all over him in the top 20. He ended up getting drafted as the 27th RB off the board in my league. Despite a long fall from his illustrious pre-season rankings, even the schmucks in my league were smart enough to stay away as long as they could.

Much like last year, I know with my ranking of him that he won't end up on my team, and I'm 100% okay with that. If he ends up being top 10, I'll be completely fine that I missed on Beanie Wells rather than wasted a mid-round draft pick on him when he fails once again.

Dude scored 64 points in my league last year. He only missed 3 full games. Give me a break.

 

[jurb26]

He moved up from RB47 to RB35 for me, and I see little to no chance of him going any higher before my draft on Saturday. He's an average NFL running back, with injury issues, running behind a below average offensive line, with a below average quarterback. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to like here. He moved up solely based on opportunity and at least one of the spots between those numbers being vacated by Ryan Williams. I had him RB34 last year, while numerous sites were slobbering all over him in the top 20. He ended up getting drafted as the 27th RB off the board in my league. Despite a long fall from his illustrious pre-season rankings, even the schmucks in my league were smart enough to stay away as long as they could. Much like last year, I know with my ranking of him that he won't end up on my team, and I'm 100% okay with that. If he ends up being top 10, I'll be completely fine that I missed on Beanie Wells rather than wasted a mid-round draft pick on him when he fails once again.Dude scored 64 points in my league last year. He only missed 3 full games. Give me a break.

 

[Shutout]

Ok, let's say the Cards and Bucs made a trade last night. Beanie to the Bucs and Blount to the Cards. If that happened, this morning would be raging about how Blount is a LOCK top 5 back. People would say "there's no competition...he's going to be a bell cow, etc, etc." people would be getting stupid to trying to get Blount and day dreaming about 250+ carries.

People are already projecting Bount for 250+ carries, and (virtually) no one is calling him a top 5 back. You actually have some good points buried beneath the ridiculous rhetoric. Tone it down.

I think you need to make yourself aware of what the definition of rhetoric is. that is actually a great compliment you gave me..I think you miss the gist of the point; being that the fact of two very similar players having VERY similar stats under very similar conditions have a VERY HUGE difference in perception based on the time of the occurrence. We call this The Recency effect.

 

[mcintyre1]

He moved up from RB47 to RB35 for me, and I see little to no chance of him going any higher before my draft on Saturday. He's an average NFL running back, with injury issues, running behind a below average offensive line, with a below average quarterback. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to like here. He moved up solely based on opportunity and at least one of the spots between those numbers being vacated by Ryan Williams. I had him RB34 last year, while numerous sites were slobbering all over him in the top 20. He ended up getting drafted as the 27th RB off the board in my league. Despite a long fall from his illustrious pre-season rankings, even the schmucks in my league were smart enough to stay away as long as they could. Much like last year, I know with my ranking of him that he won't end up on my team, and I'm 100% okay with that. If he ends up being top 10, I'll be completely fine that I missed on Beanie Wells rather than wasted a mid-round draft pick on him when he fails once again.Dude scored 64 points in my league last year. He only missed 3 full games. Give me a break.

 

[PhantomJB]

Any comments on his pass-catching prowess (or lack thereof)?

Only 5 catches last year and 12 before...obviously Hightower was used in that role.

I could hop on board a lot more confidently if at least had the potential for something more than a handful of checkdowns.

 

[Shutout]

He moved up from RB47 to RB35 for me, and I see little to no chance of him going any higher before my draft on Saturday. He's an average NFL running back, with injury issues, running behind a below average offensive line, with a below average quarterback. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to like here. He moved up solely based on opportunity and at least one of the spots between those numbers being vacated by Ryan Williams. I had him RB34 last year, while numerous sites were slobbering all over him in the top 20. He ended up getting drafted as the 27th RB off the board in my league. Despite a long fall from his illustrious pre-season rankings, even the schmucks in my league were smart enough to stay away as long as they could. Much like last year, I know with my ranking of him that he won't end up on my team, and I'm 100% okay with that. If he ends up being top 10, I'll be completely fine that I missed on Beanie Wells rather than wasted a mid-round draft pick on him when he fails once again.Dude scored 64 points in my league last year. He only missed 3 full games. Give me a break.

I second that. give it

 

[Mark Wimer]

I was surprised to see Wells still ranked about the 30th RB. He has virtually zero competition in the Cards backfield right now. If Wells projects to be the workhorse back and get goal line carries, shouldn't he be in the top 15-20 RBs? Is one of the unknowns on the Arizona roster expected to get the goal line carries? If so, who?

Well, he shot up my board to #23 after the injury to Ryan Williams (and the trade of Tim Hightower). However, I'm holding on moving him up higher until I see if the team brings in a veteran for more depth/to push Wells. LenDale White, maybe (he's coming off an Achilles injury but he's in good shape at 230, reportedly)? Also, Wells hasn't exactly been a stalwart in playing-through-minor-injuries: 13 games last year and he was hampered in some of the ones he was active for - a miserly 3.4 yards per carry last year and that OL in Arizona is still very much a work in progress this season, too. Several barriers to moving him up to top 15-20 status IMO.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Third, as a Bears fan watching Chester Taylor all last season and this preseason, if the Cardinals bring him in, he will be absolutely no threat to Wells - he will be a warm body to pick up 4-6 carries a game and pass block once in a great while.

Amen to that. Chester is so washed up it isn't funny. Anyone adding him does so solely on past rep. Slow and lumbering, no wiggle. He's lost whatever he once had.

He absolutely tortured me last year in multiple leagues - hated how poorly he played (and not just cuz I rostered him a bunch). I thought he had a great opportunity in the Martz offense, and he BUSTED horribly.

 

[rocketsauce]

He moved up from RB47 to RB35 for me, and I see little to no chance of him going any higher before my draft on Saturday. He's an average NFL running back, with injury issues, running behind a below average offensive line, with a below average quarterback. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to like here. He moved up solely based on opportunity and at least one of the spots between those numbers being vacated by Ryan Williams. I had him RB34 last year, while numerous sites were slobbering all over him in the top 20. He ended up getting drafted as the 27th RB off the board in my league. Despite a long fall from his illustrious pre-season rankings, even the schmucks in my league were smart enough to stay away as long as they could. Much like last year, I know with my ranking of him that he won't end up on my team, and I'm 100% okay with that. If he ends up being top 10, I'll be completely fine that I missed on Beanie Wells rather than wasted a mid-round draft pick on him when he fails once again.Dude scored 64 points in my league last year. He only missed 3 full games. Give me a break.

I'm not real hip to the messageboard icons, so could you expand on what Rolling Around Laughing Guy actually means?

 

[bonesman]

Ok, let's say the Cards and Bucs made a trade last night. Beanie to the Bucs and Blount to the Cards. If that happened, this morning would be raging about how Blount is a LOCK top 5 back. People would say "there's no competition...he's going to be a bell cow, etc, etc." people would be getting stupid to trying to get Blount and day dreaming about 250+ carries.

People are already projecting Bount for 250+ carries, and (virtually) no one is calling him a top 5 back. You actually have some good points buried beneath the ridiculous rhetoric. Tone it down.

I think you need to make yourself aware of what the definition of rhetoric is. that is actually a great compliment you gave me..I think you miss the gist of the point; being that the fact of two very similar players having VERY similar stats under very similar conditions have a VERY HUGE difference in perception based on the time of the occurrence. We call this The Recency effect.

YOU might want to look up the definition of ridiculous. Oh, and you might want to check that definition of rhetoric again.

 

[cvnpoka]

Any comments on his pass-catching prowess (or lack thereof)?Only 5 catches last year and 12 before...obviously Hightower was used in that role.I could hop on board a lot more confidently if at least had the potential for something more than a handful of checkdowns.

he had 15 total catches in 3 yrs at ohio state. this greatly suppresses his ppr value. and its proly why they are looking for another back.

 

[abe froman]

He moved up from RB47 to RB35 for me, and I see little to no chance of him going any higher before my draft on Saturday. He's an average NFL running back, with injury issues, running behind a below average offensive line, with a below average quarterback. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to like here. He moved up solely based on opportunity and at least one of the spots between those numbers being vacated by Ryan Williams.

I had him RB34 last year, while numerous sites were slobbering all over him in the top 20. He ended up getting drafted as the 27th RB off the board in my league. Despite a long fall from his illustrious pre-season rankings, even the schmucks in my league were smart enough to stay away as long as they could.

Much like last year, I know with my ranking of him that he won't end up on my team, and I'm 100% okay with that. If he ends up being top 10, I'll be completely fine that I missed on Beanie Wells rather than wasted a mid-round draft pick on him when he fails once again.

Dude scored 64 points in my league last year. He only missed 3 full games. Give me a break.

I wouldnt spend too much time comparing last year's stats given we all realize he was hurt in preseason and played the entire year hurt; not to mention Hightower prev taking away 3rd downs+ who managed 700 and 5TDs with very VERY poor QB play. If Im hesitant about Wells, his production in 2010 wont be a factor for me. fwiw.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

He moved up from RB47 to RB35 for me, and I see little to no chance of him going any higher before my draft on Saturday. He's an average NFL running back, with injury issues, running behind a below average offensive line, with a below average quarterback. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to like here. He moved up solely based on opportunity and at least one of the spots between those numbers being vacated by Ryan Williams. I had him RB34 last year, while numerous sites were slobbering all over him in the top 20. He ended up getting drafted as the 27th RB off the board in my league. Despite a long fall from his illustrious pre-season rankings, even the schmucks in my league were smart enough to stay away as long as they could. Much like last year, I know with my ranking of him that he won't end up on my team, and I'm 100% okay with that. If he ends up being top 10, I'll be completely fine that I missed on Beanie Wells rather than wasted a mid-round draft pick on him when he fails once again.Dude scored 64 points in my league last year. He only missed 3 full games. Give me a break.

I'm not real hip to the messageboard icons, so could you expand on what Rolling Around Laughing Guy actually means?

He's shaking his head because your making a ridiculous argument and statement in general. Talk about a short memory. How about his rookie year when he ran for 4.5 yards per carry? How about the fact that he was hampered by injuries all last year? I keep seeing people all over the place saying hes an average NFL RB. That is such BOLOGNA . Have you honestly ever seen the guy play healthy before????? have you? did you see what he did against the Packers in the playoffs two years ago? It's a dead giveaway that a person is talking out of his element when they use the mediocre talent card on Well's . Say hes soft, say hes injury prone, I will give you those to this point. To give up on a guy like this after one injury filled year is ridiculous. I'm not coming out and saying hes going to blow up this year, he very well may get injured again or may just not have the heart to be a feature back . But dont make the same mistakes people did with Mcfadden, Rice , and Mendenhall(just to name a few).

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

 

[DoubleG]

...bump Wells.ETA: One thing to keep in mind as you (if you?) watched the video. Unlike a lot of the you tube video highlights we all watch at this time of year, Wells is running against NFL defenses...not division III colleges. Just sayin'

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

i could put together a highlight package of my poop running well. these things are worthless.

 

[rocketsauce]

He moved up from RB47 to RB35 for me, and I see little to no chance of him going any higher before my draft on Saturday. He's an average NFL running back, with injury issues, running behind a below average offensive line, with a below average quarterback. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to like here. He moved up solely based on opportunity and at least one of the spots between those numbers being vacated by Ryan Williams. I had him RB34 last year, while numerous sites were slobbering all over him in the top 20. He ended up getting drafted as the 27th RB off the board in my league. Despite a long fall from his illustrious pre-season rankings, even the schmucks in my league were smart enough to stay away as long as they could. Much like last year, I know with my ranking of him that he won't end up on my team, and I'm 100% okay with that. If he ends up being top 10, I'll be completely fine that I missed on Beanie Wells rather than wasted a mid-round draft pick on him when he fails once again.Dude scored 64 points in my league last year. He only missed 3 full games. Give me a break.

I'm not real hip to the messageboard icons, so could you expand on what Rolling Around Laughing Guy actually means?

He's shaking his head because your making a ridiculous argument and statement in general. Talk about a short memory. How about his rookie year when he ran for 4.5 yards per carry? How about the fact that he was hampered by injuries all last year? I keep seeing people all over the place saying hes an average NFL RB. That is such BOLOGNA . Have you honestly ever seen the guy play healthy before????? have you? did you see what he did against the Packers in the playoffs two years ago? It's a dead giveaway that a person is talking out of his element when they use the mediocre talent card on Well's . Say hes soft, say hes injury prone, I will give you those to this point. To give up on a guy like this after one injury filled year is ridiculous. I'm not coming out and saying hes going to blow up this year, he very well may get injured again or may just not have the heart to be a feature back . But dont make the same mistakes people did with Mcfadden, Rice , and Mendenhall(just to name a few).

So our OPINIONS of him, that I think he's an average running back and you think he's...I don't know, good...and the fact that they differ mean that my statement is ridiculous? My memory is not short. My memory is 2 years long, which is as long as he's been in the NFL. He looked decent as a rookie, I'd say about average. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he is still in fact an average running back, since quite frankly he looked horrific last year. Not to mention the difference in years (Warner, Boldin, Fitz to Horrible QBs + Fitz) you would expect him to produce more under that first situation. I feel like this year's situation is much closer to the 2010 situation than the 2009 situation. And yes, I've seen the guy play healthy, 2 years ago, in the NFL. He looked average. And I'm not sure what McFadden, Rice or Mendy have to do with Beanie Wells.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

He moved up from RB47 to RB35 for me, and I see little to no chance of him going any higher before my draft on Saturday. He's an average NFL running back, with injury issues, running behind a below average offensive line, with a below average quarterback. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to like here. He moved up solely based on opportunity and at least one of the spots between those numbers being vacated by Ryan Williams. I had him RB34 last year, while numerous sites were slobbering all over him in the top 20. He ended up getting drafted as the 27th RB off the board in my league. Despite a long fall from his illustrious pre-season rankings, even the schmucks in my league were smart enough to stay away as long as they could. Much like last year, I know with my ranking of him that he won't end up on my team, and I'm 100% okay with that. If he ends up being top 10, I'll be completely fine that I missed on Beanie Wells rather than wasted a mid-round draft pick on him when he fails once again.Dude scored 64 points in my league last year. He only missed 3 full games. Give me a break.

I'm not real hip to the messageboard icons, so could you expand on what Rolling Around Laughing Guy actually means?

He's shaking his head because your making a ridiculous argument and statement in general. Talk about a short memory. How about his rookie year when he ran for 4.5 yards per carry? How about the fact that he was hampered by injuries all last year? I keep seeing people all over the place saying hes an average NFL RB. That is such BOLOGNA . Have you honestly ever seen the guy play healthy before????? have you? did you see what he did against the Packers in the playoffs two years ago? It's a dead giveaway that a person is talking out of his element when they use the mediocre talent card on Well's . Say hes soft, say hes injury prone, I will give you those to this point. To give up on a guy like this after one injury filled year is ridiculous. I'm not coming out and saying hes going to blow up this year, he very well may get injured again or may just not have the heart to be a feature back . But dont make the same mistakes people did with Mcfadden, Rice , and Mendenhall(just to name a few).

So our OPINIONS of him, that I think he's an average running back and you think he's...I don't know, good...and the fact that they differ mean that my statement is ridiculous? My memory is not short. My memory is 2 years long, which is as long as he's been in the NFL. He looked decent as a rookie, I'd say about average. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he is still in fact an average running back, since quite frankly he looked horrific last year. Not to mention the difference in years (Warner, Boldin, Fitz to Horrible QBs + Fitz) you would expect him to produce more under that first situation. I feel like this year's situation is much closer to the 2010 situation than the 2009 situation. And yes, I've seen the guy play healthy, 2 years ago, in the NFL. He looked average. And I'm not sure what McFadden, Rice or Mendy have to do with Beanie Wells.

RBs that people gave up on to quickly because they looked average after a year or two

 

[ScottyDog]

He is good against the Seattle Defense. Too bad they only play twice a year.

 

[DoubleG]

He is good against the Seattle Defense. Too bad they only play twice a year.

You might want to look at the stats from '09 again there chief. He rushed for over 5 yards a rush against 7 teams (not including Seattle) - including putting up 91 yards on 14 carries against Packers in the playoffs (I'd consider 6.5 YPC against the Packers pretty good).But hey, don't let facts get in the way of assumption and perception. We already covered the "fumbilitis" assumption earlier in this thread, right?

 

[Captain Hook]

.Opportunity, who is the backup in AZ again??

Alfonzo Smith, 6'1", 208, University of KentuckyThanks for asking

 

[PhantomJB]

He is good against the Seattle Defense. Too bad they only play twice a year.

You might want to look at the stats from '09 again there chief. He rushed for over 5 yards a rush against 7 teams (not including Seattle) - including putting up 91 yards on 14 carries against Packers in the playoffs (I'd consider 6.5 YPC against the Packers pretty good).But hey, don't let facts get in the way of assumption and perception. We already covered the "fumbilitis" assumption earlier in this thread, right?

It was also a fact that the entire offense was much more potent in 2009 with Warner, Boldin, Breaston, etc. and could easily be argued that running lanes were much more open.It is a reasonable assumption / perception that Beanie will likely need to create more on his own this year. Open question as to whether he can do this effectively.Just saying that 2009 needs to be viewed in proper context.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

So I should be worried about Beanie in 5th, but be fine drafting Best or Matthews in 4th (or 3rd possibly late in PPRs), What about Hillis going late 2nd-early 3rd.. or for that matter SJax/Mcfadden early 2nd..? You can make an argument for all these guys having injury concerns(either prev injuries or heavy carries/running styles etc). Is there a risk, sure there is but come on.. Especially funny to me the tone of the knucklehead using Best for his argument and has been a member for like 5 mins.. Blount a top 5 back?? This shoutout kid needs to get in the background.. *Re: Choice, Watching the game on Monday the announcers did mention that Cowboys did like the young back (?name escapes me..) and said that this kid has made them more open to idea of moving Choice as Choice doesnt play special teams and they feel the kid could. So yes Choice could very well be leaving DAL. He wouldnt kill Beanies value but if this did happen then yes I can see the current ranking of 29 being about right. I think FBG staffers are close having Beanie ranked lower than many feel because they know another RB will be brought in at some point..

Lonyae Miller?

Or Tanner.

 

[Couch Potato]

That is such BOLOGNA

Wow, someone's teed off! wiscstlatlmia has the hot BOLOGNA going now!! LOLI thought the word in this context was baloney.

 

[DoubleG]

He is good against the Seattle Defense. Too bad they only play twice a year.

You might want to look at the stats from '09 again there chief. He rushed for over 5 yards a rush against 7 teams (not including Seattle) - including putting up 91 yards on 14 carries against Packers in the playoffs (I'd consider 6.5 YPC against the Packers pretty good).But hey, don't let facts get in the way of assumption and perception. We already covered the "fumbilitis" assumption earlier in this thread, right?

It was also a fact that the entire offense was much more potent in 2009 with Warner, Boldin, Breaston, etc. and could easily be argued that running lanes were much more open.It is a reasonable assumption / perception that Beanie will likely need to create more on his own this year. Open question as to whether he can do this effectively.Just saying that 2009 needs to be viewed in proper context.

Certainly. As does 2010 - when Wells was playing through/with an injury and was constantly looking over his shoulder for Whiz to put in THT. He has shown flashes of very good talent and excellent power and speed. That said, this season should be more similar to '09 than '10 given the Cards are back to having a legit threat at QB (which also means that Fitz is a more legit threat in the passing game) and Wells appears to be healthy and doesn't have to split time with another back. Certainly he could squander the opportunity - but imho, chances are better that he exceeds excpectations (especially if he's being drafted at RB25-RB30) than that he finishes poorly. I would be very suprised if he finished outside the top 24 RBs (and actually expect him to be in the 16-20 range, assuming he stays healthy) - meaning his a nice value as an RB3 with solid RB2 upside.The past two seasons, the issues have been opportunity (due to THT) and last season both that and injury. Talent has never truly been a question. This year he has the opportunity and a is back to having a legit passing game to open things up for him. He's also 2 years "NFL smarter". I'm buying.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Because he stinks?

Thanks for the contribution.

 

[Captain Hook]

One of tonight's open FBGPC drafts

Blount 3.05

(only RB taken in between in rounds 3&4))

Greene

Ingram

Turner

F. Jones

DWill

(taken in round 5

Grant 5.08

R. Bush 5.11

(then in round 6)

Moreno 6.01

Hightower 6.02

Benson 6.03 and

Wells 6.04

Now aside from the horde of WR drafted, all the top TE except Gates and all the top QB except Vick/Rodgers drafted earlier and Peyton not yet drafted

So while I think Blount will outscore Wells, there shouldn't be three rounds difference - in this draft I think Blount was drafted too early and Wells too late

ETA in the other draft right now, Blount went at 3.10 and Wells at 5.01

 

[DoubleG]

One of tonight's open FBGPC draftsBlount 3.05(only RB taken in between in rounds 3&4))GreeneIngramTurnerF. JonesDWill(taken in round 5Grant 5.08R. Bush 5.11(then in round 6)Moreno 6.01Hightower 6.02Benson 6.03 and Wells 6.04Now aside from the horde of WR drafted, all the top TE except Gates and all the top QB except Vick/Rodgers drafted earlier and Peyton not yet draftedSo while I think Blount will outscore Wells, there shouldn't be three rounds difference - in this draft I think Blount was drafted too early and Wells too lateETA in the other draft right now, Blount went at 3.10 and Wells at 5.01

Just for understanding, is this PPR?

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

That is such BOLOGNA

Wow, someone's teed off! wiscstlatlmia has the hot BOLOGNA going now!! LOLI thought the word in this context was baloney.

ok, I cant help but laugh at that comment thumps up man LOL

 

[Ping Pong]

One of tonight's open FBGPC draftsBlount 3.05(only RB taken in between in rounds 3&4))GreeneIngramTurnerF. JonesDWill(taken in round 5Grant 5.08R. Bush 5.11(then in round 6)Moreno 6.01Hightower 6.02Benson 6.03 and Wells 6.04Now aside from the horde of WR drafted, all the top TE except Gates and all the top QB except Vick/Rodgers drafted earlier and Peyton not yet draftedSo while I think Blount will outscore Wells, there shouldn't be three rounds difference - in this draft I think Blount was drafted too early and Wells too lateETA in the other draft right now, Blount went at 3.10 and Wells at 5.01

Just looking at this list, I would take Beanie over Benson (even worse situation with offense), Moreno (RBBC, has McGahee vulturing TDs), Fred Jackson (not the starter), and R. Bush (unless it's PPR). I also think it's a tossup between Beanie and players like Hightower, Grant, D. Will (RBBC), and Ingram (RBBC). At his current ADP, Beanie is an absolute steal.

 

[Captain Hook]

Obviously some of you are not yet invested in the FBGPC

Yes, it is PPR

Also has a double flex so you could play 2, 3, or 4 RB (or WR)

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I picked him up in 2 leagues in the 6th round. He's a good risk at Rb at that spot for owners who drafted WR in the 1st round due to having a higher pick or heaven forbid those guys that go QB that early.

 

[Sergeant Spelt]

One of tonight's open FBGPC drafts

Blount 3.05

(only RB taken in between in rounds 3&4))

Greene

Ingram

Turner

F. Jones

DWill

(taken in round 5

Grant 5.08

R. Bush 5.11

(then in round 6)

Moreno 6.01

Hightower 6.02

Benson 6.03 and

Wells 6.04

Now aside from the horde of WR drafted, all the top TE except Gates and all the top QB except Vick/Rodgers drafted earlier and Peyton not yet drafted

So while I think Blount will outscore Wells, there shouldn't be three rounds difference - in this draft I think Blount was drafted too early and Wells too late

ETA in the other draft right now, Blount went at 3.10 and Wells at 5.01

Just looking at this list, I would take Beanie over Benson (even worse situation with offense), Moreno (RBBC, has McGahee vulturing TDs), Fred Jackson (not the starter), and R. Bush (unless it's PPR). I also think it's a tossup between Beanie and players like Hightower, Grant, D. Will (RBBC), and Ingram (RBBC). At his current ADP, Beanie is an absolute steal.

crazy talk right thereand Fred Jackson is not the starter?

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

One of tonight's open FBGPC drafts

Blount 3.05

(only RB taken in between in rounds 3&4))

Greene

Ingram

Turner

F. Jones

DWill

(taken in round 5

Grant 5.08

R. Bush 5.11

(then in round 6)

Moreno 6.01

Hightower 6.02

Benson 6.03 and

Wells 6.04

Now aside from the horde of WR drafted, all the top TE except Gates and all the top QB except Vick/Rodgers drafted earlier and Peyton not yet drafted

So while I think Blount will outscore Wells, there shouldn't be three rounds difference - in this draft I think Blount was drafted too early and Wells too late

ETA in the other draft right now, Blount went at 3.10 and Wells at 5.01

Just looking at this list, I would take Beanie over Benson (even worse situation with offense), Moreno (RBBC, has McGahee vulturing TDs), Fred Jackson (not the starter), and R. Bush (unless it's PPR). I also think it's a tossup between Beanie and players like Hightower, Grant, D. Will (RBBC), and Ingram (RBBC). At his current ADP, Beanie is an absolute steal.

crazy talk right thereand Fred Jackson is not the starter?

Correct

 

[fantasyplayer]

One of tonight's open FBGPC draftsBlount 3.05(only RB taken in between in rounds 3&4))GreeneIngramTurnerF. JonesDWill(taken in round 5Grant 5.08R. Bush 5.11(then in round 6)Moreno 6.01Hightower 6.02Benson 6.03 and Wells 6.04Now aside from the horde of WR drafted, all the top TE except Gates and all the top QB except Vick/Rodgers drafted earlier and Peyton not yet draftedSo while I think Blount will outscore Wells, there shouldn't be three rounds difference - in this draft I think Blount was drafted too early and Wells too lateETA in the other draft right now, Blount went at 3.10 and Wells at 5.01

Just looking at this list, I would take Beanie over Benson (even worse situation with offense), Moreno (RBBC, has McGahee vulturing TDs), Fred Jackson (not the starter), and R. Bush (unless it's PPR). I also think it's a tossup between Beanie and players like Hightower, Grant, D. Will (RBBC), and Ingram (RBBC). At his current ADP, Beanie is an absolute steal.

Since someone else has brought up his value relative to other RBs (at the risk of the inevitable AC Forum reference), how about compared to Lynch? Seems like a very similar situation.

 

[rocketsauce]

One of tonight's open FBGPC drafts

Blount 3.05

(only RB taken in between in rounds 3&4))

Greene

Ingram

Turner

F. Jones

DWill

(taken in round 5

Grant 5.08

R. Bush 5.11

(then in round 6)

Moreno 6.01

Hightower 6.02

Benson 6.03 and

Wells 6.04

Now aside from the horde of WR drafted, all the top TE except Gates and all the top QB except Vick/Rodgers drafted earlier and Peyton not yet drafted

So while I think Blount will outscore Wells, there shouldn't be three rounds difference - in this draft I think Blount was drafted too early and Wells too late

ETA in the other draft right now, Blount went at 3.10 and Wells at 5.01

Just looking at this list, I would take Beanie over Benson (even worse situation with offense), Moreno (RBBC, has McGahee vulturing TDs), Fred Jackson (not the starter), and R. Bush (unless it's PPR). I also think it's a tossup between Beanie and players like Hightower, Grant, D. Will (RBBC), and Ingram (RBBC). At his current ADP, Beanie is an absolute steal.

crazy talk right thereand Fred Jackson is not the starter?

Correct

Incorrect.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/fred-jackson-told-hell-start-for-bills/

And I wouldn't even dream of taking Beanie over Jackson.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

One of tonight's open FBGPC drafts

Blount 3.05

(only RB taken in between in rounds 3&4))

Greene

Ingram

Turner

F. Jones

DWill

(taken in round 5

Grant 5.08

R. Bush 5.11

(then in round 6)

Moreno 6.01

Hightower 6.02

Benson 6.03 and

Wells 6.04

Now aside from the horde of WR drafted, all the top TE except Gates and all the top QB except Vick/Rodgers drafted earlier and Peyton not yet drafted

So while I think Blount will outscore Wells, there shouldn't be three rounds difference - in this draft I think Blount was drafted too early and Wells too late

ETA in the other draft right now, Blount went at 3.10 and Wells at 5.01

Just looking at this list, I would take Beanie over Benson (even worse situation with offense), Moreno (RBBC, has McGahee vulturing TDs), Fred Jackson (not the starter), and R. Bush (unless it's PPR). I also think it's a tossup between Beanie and players like Hightower, Grant, D. Will (RBBC), and Ingram (RBBC). At his current ADP, Beanie is an absolute steal.

crazy talk right thereand Fred Jackson is not the starter?

Correct

Incorrect.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/fred-jackson-told-hell-start-for-bills/

And I wouldn't even dream of taking Beanie over Jackson.

IMO this is an actions speak louder than words situation

 

[SproutDaddy]

Because he stinks?

Thanks for the contribution.

Seems on point to me.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Because he stinks?

Thanks for the contribution.

Seems on point to me.

That's nice. And you're entitled to that opinion.Doesn't make it a worthwhile contribution.

 

[Sergeant Spelt]

One of tonight's open FBGPC drafts

Blount 3.05

(only RB taken in between in rounds 3&4))

Greene

Ingram

Turner

F. Jones

DWill

(taken in round 5

Grant 5.08

R. Bush 5.11

(then in round 6)

Moreno 6.01

Hightower 6.02

Benson 6.03 and

Wells 6.04

Now aside from the horde of WR drafted, all the top TE except Gates and all the top QB except Vick/Rodgers drafted earlier and Peyton not yet drafted

So while I think Blount will outscore Wells, there shouldn't be three rounds difference - in this draft I think Blount was drafted too early and Wells too late

ETA in the other draft right now, Blount went at 3.10 and Wells at 5.01

Just looking at this list, I would take Beanie over Benson (even worse situation with offense), Moreno (RBBC, has McGahee vulturing TDs), Fred Jackson (not the starter), and R. Bush (unless it's PPR). I also think it's a tossup between Beanie and players like Hightower, Grant, D. Will (RBBC), and Ingram (RBBC). At his current ADP, Beanie is an absolute steal.

crazy talk right thereand Fred Jackson is not the starter?

Correct

Incorrect.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/fred-jackson-told-hell-start-for-bills/

And I wouldn't even dream of taking Beanie over Jackson.

IMO this is an actions speak louder than words situation

results speak loudest

 

[ty247]

People are way to quick to write guys off, and many people have to stop carrying bitter feelings from one season to the next because a guy didn't perform for you.

Before the first game of the season last year, the guy gets some kind of cleanup/scope procedure done..

then if that isn't bad enough, he starts getting reactions to the shots they were giving him in the knee, which led to further swelling..

add to that, defenses pinning their ears back and going after the QB, stopping the run and generally abusing the Zona offense daring quality QB's like Max Hall, Derek Anderson and John Skelton to beat them..

If you could dream up a perfect nightmare scenario for a RB, last year Beanie experienced it

This year, he has come in to camp the fittest he has ever been.

He has the confidence of the coach, who has said he's getting the majority of the carries no matter who or even if they bring anyone in

They have a QB who they see as a franchise caliber QB, and no matter what you or I think, we know he's better than what they had

Now his situation has improved, his carries are going to be up, and he has the opportunity to show everyone what he's worth.

If people want to let him drop until the 5th and 6th round awesome, I'll gamble on him

 

[SproutDaddy]

Because he stinks?

Thanks for the contribution.

Seems on point to me.

That's nice. And you're entitled to that opinion.Doesn't make it a worthwhile contribution.

It's a proper explanation. How's that not a worthwhile contribution?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Because he stinks?

Thanks for the contribution.

Seems on point to me.

That's nice. And you're entitled to that opinion.Doesn't make it a worthwhile contribution.

It's a proper explanation. How's that not a worthwhile contribution?

Really? You come here to read in-depth analysis and discussion in the form of hit-and-run posts like "Because he stinks"? Interesting. I don't.

 

[FLY IGGLES FLY]

One of tonight's open FBGPC draftsBlount 3.05(only RB taken in between in rounds 3&4))GreeneIngramTurnerF. JonesDWill(taken in round 5Grant 5.08R. Bush 5.11(then in round 6)Moreno 6.01Hightower 6.02Benson 6.03 and Wells 6.04Now aside from the horde of WR drafted, all the top TE except Gates and all the top QB except Vick/Rodgers drafted earlier and Peyton not yet draftedSo while I think Blount will outscore Wells, there shouldn't be three rounds difference - in this draft I think Blount was drafted too early and Wells too lateETA in the other draft right now, Blount went at 3.10 and Wells at 5.01

Just looking at this list, I would take Beanie over Benson (even worse situation with offense), Moreno (RBBC, has McGahee vulturing TDs), Fred Jackson (not the starter), and R. Bush (unless it's PPR). I also think it's a tossup between Beanie and players like Hightower, Grant, D. Will (RBBC), and Ingram (RBBC). At his current ADP, Beanie is an absolute steal.

This is very much in line with how I see things. Even though I agree his (limited) track record is not great, the situation he is in puts him above a number of guys that are clearly in timeshare and/or TD vulture situations yet are being drafted ahead of Beanie. I appreciate all of the input this topic has received. I'd say there are definitely some very valid arguments on both sides. Special thanks to the staff members Mark and Andrew for explaining their positions on Wells. This has been fun to read and I look forward to seeing where the discussion goes from here forward. Let the sparring continue!

 

[Abraham]

Fred is criminally underrated.

 

[Andrew Garda]

I appreciate all of the input this topic has received. I'd say there are definitely some very valid arguments on both sides. Special thanks to the staff members Mark and Andrew for explaining their positions on Wells. This has been fun to read and I look forward to seeing where the discussion goes from here forward. Let the sparring continue!

That's what we're here for. It's a process. What the hell would I do if I couldn't debate with people in the SP? Sleep? Please....

 

[GroveDiesel]

One of tonight's open FBGPC drafts

Blount 3.05

(only RB taken in between in rounds 3&4))

Greene

Ingram

Turner

F. Jones

DWill

(taken in round 5

Grant 5.08

R. Bush 5.11

(then in round 6)

Moreno 6.01

Hightower 6.02

Benson 6.03 and

Wells 6.04

Now aside from the horde of WR drafted, all the top TE except Gates and all the top QB except Vick/Rodgers drafted earlier and Peyton not yet drafted

So while I think Blount will outscore Wells, there shouldn't be three rounds difference - in this draft I think Blount was drafted too early and Wells too late

ETA in the other draft right now, Blount went at 3.10 and Wells at 5.01

Just looking at this list, I would take Beanie over Benson (even worse situation with offense), Moreno (RBBC, has McGahee vulturing TDs), Fred Jackson (not the starter), and R. Bush (unless it's PPR). I also think it's a tossup between Beanie and players like Hightower, Grant, D. Will (RBBC), and Ingram (RBBC). At his current ADP, Beanie is an absolute steal.

crazy talk right thereand Fred Jackson is not the starter?

Correct

Incorrect.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/fred-jackson-told-hell-start-for-bills/

And I wouldn't even dream of taking Beanie over Jackson.

IMO this is an actions speak louder than words situation

Jackson will be the starter and see the most touches. Spiller still can't pickup blitzes or find holes in running lanes. The Bills would love for him to be a difference maker, but right now that's almost strictly as a pass catcher.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Since someone else has brought up his value relative to other RBs (at the risk of the inevitable AC Forum reference), how about compared to Lynch? Seems like a very similar situation.

I own both in my dynasty league and I don't find them even comparable at all. I'll be starting Wells in week 1 (over Bradshaw, without even looking at who they're each playing), while I consider Lynch a guy that I'll only be putting into my starting lineup if bye/injury issues stack on top of each other and force me to.

 

[BassNBrew]

FWIW here's how things shook out tonite in a 2rb/3wr/1te/2 flex ppr league (1.5 for TE)

Keep in mind that it's a 5 week league so the guys with week 5 byes dropped like a rock.

1.01 1. Good Posting Judge Foster, Arian HOU RB Tue Aug 23 8:00:09 p.m. ET 2011

1.02 2. Hoart Petterson Charles, Jamaal KCC RB Tue Aug 23 8:00:27 p.m. ET 2011

1.03 3. BassNBrew Peterson, Adrian MIN RB Tue Aug 23 8:01:46 p.m. ET 2011

1.04 4. IvanKaramazov McCoy, LeSean PHI RB Tue Aug 23 8:02:10 p.m. ET 2011

1.05 5. Tecumseh Johnson, Chris TEN RB Tue Aug 23 8:02:46 p.m. ET 2011

1.09 9. ScottNorwood McFadden, Darren OAK RB Tue Aug 23 8:04:43 p.m. ET 2011

1.10 10. Whitney26 Rice, Ray BAL RB Tue Aug 23 8:05:23 p.m. ET 2011

2.01 13. QuizGuy66 Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB Tue Aug 23 8:06:12 p.m. ET 2011

2.05 17. Mr. Pickles Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB Tue Aug 23 8:08:54 p.m. ET 2011

2.07 19. Limp Ditka Forte, Matt CHI RB Tue Aug 23 8:09:32 p.m. ET 2011

2.09 21. IvanKaramazov Gore, Frank SFO RB Tue Aug 23 8:10:40 p.m. ET 2011

2.10 22. BassNBrew Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB Tue Aug 23 8:11:30 p.m. ET 2011

3.02 26. Hoart Petterson Turner, Michael ATL RB Tue Aug 23 8:14:28 p.m. ET 2011

3.04 28. IvanKaramazov Best, Jahvid DET RB Tue Aug 23 8:16:19 p.m. ET 2011

3.11 35. Colin Dowling Ingram, Mark NOS RB ® Tue Aug 23 8:21:22 p.m. ET 2011

4.02 38. Colin Dowling Blount, LeGarrette TBB RB Tue Aug 23 8:22:51 p.m. ET 2011

4.05 41. Mr. Pickles Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB Tue Aug 23 8:27:07 p.m. ET 2011

4.06 42. David Dodds Hillis, Peyton CLE RB Tue Aug 23 8:27:20 p.m. ET 2011

4.07 43. Limp Ditka Grant, Ryan GBP RB Tue Aug 23 8:27:29 p.m. ET 2011

4.08 44. Tecumseh Greene, Shonn NYJ RB Tue Aug 23 8:28:11 p.m. ET 2011

4.12 48. Good Posting Judge Moreno, Knowshon DEN RB Tue Aug 23 8:29:53 p.m. ET 2011

5.01 49. Good Posting Judge Mathews, Ryan SDC RB Tue Aug 23 8:30:48 p.m. ET 2011

5.02 50. Hoart Petterson Jackson, Steven STL RB Tue Aug 23 8:30:56 p.m. ET 2011

5.09 57. ScottNorwood Benson, Cedric CIN RB Tue Aug 23 8:36:39 p.m. ET 2011

5.10 58. Whitney26 Jones, Felix DAL RB Tue Aug 23 8:37:57 p.m. ET 2011

6.01 61. QuizGuy66 Jackson, Fred BUF RB Tue Aug 23 8:39:28 p.m. ET 2011

6.02 62. Colin Dowling Lynch, Marshawn SEA RB Tue Aug 23 8:39:35 p.m. ET 2011

6.10 70. BassNBrew Wells, Chris ARI RB Tue Aug 23 8:44:45 p.m. ET 2011

7.06 78. Limp Ditka Green-Ellis, BenJarvus NEP RB Tue Aug 23 8:50:57 p.m. ET 2011

7.09 81. ScottNorwood Addai, Joseph IND RB Tue Aug 23 8:53:41 p.m. ET 2011

7.12 84. QuizGuy66 Hightower, Tim WAS RB Tue Aug 23 8:55:35 p.m. ET 2011

8.04 88. ScottNorwood Bush, Reggie MIA RB Tue Aug 23 8:58:17 p.m. ET 2011

8.05 89. Mr. Pickles Tolbert, Mike SDC RB Tue Aug 23 8:58:44 p.m. ET 2011

8.06 90. David Dodds Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB Tue Aug 23 8:59:16 p.m. ET 2011

8.08 92. Tecumseh Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB Tue Aug 23 9:00:27 p.m. ET 2011

10.05 113. Mr. Pickles Thomas, Pierre NOS RB Tue Aug 23 9:13:43 p.m. ET 2011

6th round felt about right for me. 28th RB off the board.