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Why is Deuce sliding? (1 Viewer)

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1.01 - LT1.02 - Kevin Jones1.03 - Alexander1.04 - McGahee1.05 - Portis1.06 - Manning 1.07 - Culpepper1.08 - D. Davis1.09 - Randy Moss1.10 - McCallister goes to LHUCKS :excited:
DD can't finish out a season, McGahee/Jones have never played a full season, Portis has plenty of ?'s and Culpepper has never played without Moss. :confused: :confused: FYI - Zealots is a dynasty league that has a flex spot which allows for a 3rd RB
 
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Plenty of fool's gold early in the season. There's no reason why Deuce should be ranked any lower then last year. Heck, he played a good portion of the year on a bum ankle.By the way, did you get Chris Brown on the rebound pick?

 
Plenty of fool's gold early in the season. There's no reason why Deuce should be ranked any lower then last year. Heck, he played a good portion of the year on a bum ankle.

By the way, did you get Chris Brown on the rebound pick?
:rotflmao: ....yeah, Chrissy is real high on my list.Any guesses on who I'm targeting on the comeback? I would give hints but Radballs will probably :report: it back to the league :ph34r:

 
Plenty of fool's gold early in the season.  There's no reason why Deuce should be ranked any lower then last year.  Heck, he played a good portion of the year on a bum ankle.

By the way, did you get Chris Brown on the rebound pick?
:rotflmao: ....yeah, Chrissy is real high on my list.Any guesses on who I'm targeting on the comeback? I would give hints but Radballs will probably :report: it back to the league :ph34r:
Barlow :D I'm liking Edge or Bell or JJ.

 
This is exactly what I suspect will be happening in many leagues. With Manning & Cpep going in round 1 and a couple of reaches on DD and a few others from time to time and the next thing you know you get a gift in the 9/10 hole.

 
This is exactly what I suspect will be happening in many leagues. With Manning & Cpep going in round 1 and a couple of reaches on DD and a few others from time to time and the next thing you know you get a gift in the 9/10 hole.
I passed on Deuce at 7 in a league to take Moss. There are some reasons:1) Saints offense is not getting into scoring position like they used to. Losses on the OL and inconsitancy from Brooks have slowed down the whole offense.

2) Terrell Smith was the lead blocker in both Ricky's and Deuce's best years. His leaving had a negative effect on Deuce.

3) The defense isn't playing well anymore, too many free agent losses and this leads to playing from behind. Playing from behind is killing Deuce's game.

4) Brooks isn't winning with his arm and people have stacked the box early in games.

Looking at the numbers:

All this added up to Deuce being the 19th overall running back in the game last season. This is NOT what you expect from a top 5 pick. Yes he was injured... He missed three games (one game fumbling and ending up with a negative score.) Not including games when he was injured, Deuce had three games under 10 points and three games over 20 games. None over 25.

This is solid for a #2 fantasy back but not enough for a #1 stud. Simply put, Duece isn't what he was back when Terrell Smith was blocking for him and the Saint's D was keeping games close or the Saits ahead. So he's not worthy of a top 5-6 pick anymore.

 
This is exactly what I suspect will be happening in many leagues. With Manning & Cpep going in round 1 and a couple of reaches on DD and a few others from time to time and the next thing you know you get a gift in the 9/10 hole.
I passed on Deuce at 7 in a league to take Moss. There are some reasons:1) Saints offense is not getting into scoring position like they used to. Losses on the OL and inconsitancy from Brooks have slowed down the whole offense.

2) Terrell Smith was the lead blocker in both Ricky's and Deuce's best years. His leaving had a negative effect on Deuce.

3) The defense isn't playing well anymore, too many free agent losses and this leads to playing from behind. Playing from behind is killing Deuce's game.

4) Brooks isn't winning with his arm and people have stacked the box early in games.

Looking at the numbers:

All this added up to Deuce being the 19th overall running back in the game last season. This is NOT what you expect from a top 5 pick. Yes he was injured... He missed three games (one game fumbling and ending up with a negative score.) Not including games when he was injured, Deuce had three games under 10 points and three games over 20 games. None over 25.

This is solid for a #2 fantasy back but not enough for a #1 stud. Simply put, Duece isn't what he was back when Terrell Smith was blocking for him and the Saint's D was keeping games close or the Saits ahead. So he's not worthy of a top 5-6 pick anymore.
Pretty solid arguments...I obviously disagree, but well written post :thumbup:
 
That was sweet value right there LHUCKS. I wish I had drawn the 10 spot. NOBODY was interested in trading up. But still, I was happy getting McGahee at the 4 spot. Still, I'd rather be in LHUCKS' position with Deuce plus 1.03 rookie than McGahee and the 1.09 rookie. :wall: Also, I was a bit surprised to see both Manning and Culpepper drafted to owners who don't have a top 3 rookie pick. I thought maybe one of the two QBs would slide to LHUCKS and he might take one knowing that he had a good option coming with his rookie pick. In a league where you can start 3 RBs, there's no way in hell that I would take anything other than RB unless I had one of the top 3 rook picks.

 
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I would give hints but Radballs will probably :report: it back to the league :ph34r:
I guarantee it wouldn't be reported back. I'd keep that information to myself. ;)
I know...just throwing a jab. :boxing: In terms of the QBs...Manning is the only QB in my top 15 for dynasty and I was pretty sure he wouldn't be there with him coming off the monster season.

Any Edge lovers think I made a bad move taking Deuce instead?

 
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I would give hints but Radballs will probably :report: it back to the league :ph34r:
I guarantee it wouldn't be reported back. I'd keep that information to myself. ;)
I just figured out the answer....BARBER.
If I wanted him I could trade down...there is zero love for Barber in dynasty leagues. I might get him with my 3rd.
 
I would give hints but Radballs will probably :report: it back to the league :ph34r:
I guarantee it wouldn't be reported back. I'd keep that information to myself. ;)
I know...just throwing a jab. :boxing: In terms of the QBs...Manning is the only QB in my top 15 for dynasty and I was pretty sure he wouldn't be there with him coming off the monster season.

Any Edge lovers think I made a bad move taking Deuce instead?
That's a toss up to me.
 
This is exactly what I suspect will be happening in many leagues. With Manning & Cpep going in round 1 and a couple of reaches on DD and a few others from time to time and the next thing you know you get a gift in the 9/10 hole.
I passed on Deuce at 7 in a league to take Moss. There are some reasons:1) Saints offense is not getting into scoring position like they used to. Losses on the OL and inconsitancy from Brooks have slowed down the whole offense.

2) Terrell Smith was the lead blocker in both Ricky's and Deuce's best years. His leaving had a negative effect on Deuce.

3) The defense isn't playing well anymore, too many free agent losses and this leads to playing from behind. Playing from behind is killing Deuce's game.

4) Brooks isn't winning with his arm and people have stacked the box early in games.

Looking at the numbers:

All this added up to Deuce being the 19th overall running back in the game last season. This is NOT what you expect from a top 5 pick. Yes he was injured... He missed three games (one game fumbling and ending up with a negative score.) Not including games when he was injured, Deuce had three games under 10 points and three games over 20 games. None over 25.

This is solid for a #2 fantasy back but not enough for a #1 stud. Simply put, Duece isn't what he was back when Terrell Smith was blocking for him and the Saint's D was keeping games close or the Saits ahead. So he's not worthy of a top 5-6 pick anymore.
Pretty solid arguments...I obviously disagree, but well written post :thumbup:
For the record, I'd have jumped on Deuce at 10.
 
From November on Deuce averaged 14.6 FPPG. Here's the list of those who finished in front of him (full year stats).1 Holmes,Priest - PT risk2 Tomlinson,Ladainian - no brainer3 Alexander,Shaun - no brainer4 Barber,Tiki - Duece has more TD upside5 Davis,Domanick - Fumbles could put him on the bench6 Martin,Curtis - Age7 Jones,Julius - Way under rated8 Dillon,Corey - Age, not a receiving threat9 James,Edgerrin - May be traded???10 Westbrook,Brian - Everyone thinks Reid wants RBBC11 Johnson, Larry - Priest12 Pittman,Michael - May not be the starter13 Brown,Chris - LHUCKS says he's a ####Deuce may not have the upside of several of these guys, but his risk is far less the most of the guys in front of him. You don't win your league in round one, but you sure can lose it.

 
It's the one year memory syndrome. Deuce is #3 in my dynasty RB rankings.
Agreed EBF. Without the minor injury last year Deuce would be in everybody's top 5.
 
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Steven Jackson just went at 1.11 :wall: That was the guy I wanted on the comeback. Three more picks until my 2.03 with Edge, Lewis, JJ and Ahman still around...I'll likely take whoever is left out of this bunch. :thumbup:

 
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I like the value Lewis seems to have this year
Especially in a league that isn't ppr. It's also nice that Taylor is a great handcuff. Lewis is still relatively young as well which is nice for dynasties...although he runs so hard I think his shelf life will be a bit shorter than some of the other top backs.

 
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In Z30, I took Deuce #6 overall.

Steven Jackson went #8 overall

Chris Brown went at #16

Tiki went at #26
Tiki still not getting respect?
Tiki = value this year, especially in redrafts with ppr.
Yeah...that was a reach. Although there has been a lot of hype about C-Pep on these boards as well. 6 points per passing TD, and with long shelf lives for QBs I guess you could make the argument. Not for me though, I'll take a slew of mid-range QBs in the 7th...thank you very much.
 
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May I ask who did this?
Seriously...I would not touch him in round 3!
Culcasi(Cracker) took him in the mid-second in Z30 I believe...still too early for my taste, but I'm not as high on him as most.
Just to clarify, no disrespect to people taking him this early. I know there's a few strong Culpepper backers here, and I've advocated taking Manning early in early season drafts so I'm not arguing strategy. I'm just wondering who did it.
 
May I ask who did this?
Seriously...I would not touch him in round 3!
Culcasi(Cracker) took him in the mid-second in Z30 I believe...still too early for my taste, but I'm not as high on him as most.
Just to clarify, no disrespect to people taking him this early. I know there's a few strong Culpepper backers here, and I've advocated taking Manning early in early season drafts so I'm not arguing strategy. I'm just wondering who did it.
I don't think he's a FBG, and I'd rather not post his real name...some people are sensitive to that.I just noticed in Z28 C-Pep went 1.03 :popcorn:

 
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May I ask who did this?
Seriously...I would not touch him in round 3!
Culcasi(Cracker) took him in the mid-second in Z30 I believe...still too early for my taste, but I'm not as high on him as most.
Just to clarify, no disrespect to people taking him this early. I know there's a few strong Culpepper backers here, and I've advocated taking Manning early in early season drafts so I'm not arguing strategy. I'm just wondering who did it.
I don't think he's a FBG, and I'd rather not post his real name...some people are sensitive to that.I just noticed in Z28 C-Pep went 1.03 :popcorn:
Did Manning go 1.02?
 
May I ask who did this?
Seriously...I would not touch him in round 3!
Culcasi(Cracker) took him in the mid-second in Z30 I believe...still too early for my taste, but I'm not as high on him as most.
Just to clarify, no disrespect to people taking him this early. I know there's a few strong Culpepper backers here, and I've advocated taking Manning early in early season drafts so I'm not arguing strategy. I'm just wondering who did it.
I don't think he's a FBG, and I'd rather not post his real name...some people are sensitive to that.I just noticed in Z28 C-Pep went 1.03 :popcorn:
Did Manning go 1.02?
He actually went 1.06 in that draft. I'd like to hear the argument for C-Pep over Manning. :unsure:
 
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May I ask who did this?
Seriously...I would not touch him in round 3!
Culcasi(Cracker) took him in the mid-second in Z30 I believe...still too early for my taste, but I'm not as high on him as most.
Just to clarify, no disrespect to people taking him this early. I know there's a few strong Culpepper backers here, and I've advocated taking Manning early in early season drafts so I'm not arguing strategy. I'm just wondering who did it.
I don't think he's a FBG, and I'd rather not post his real name...some people are sensitive to that.I just noticed in Z28 C-Pep went 1.03 :popcorn:
I took Culpepper at 1.07.I know, I know it's a stretch. Many people think he'll be hurt by the loss of Moss(I was in that boat earlier too), but being a Vikings homer I did it for two reasons:

1. I am a Vikings fan and it'll make it that much sweeter when he puts up 25 points each week.

2. I won't have to worry about QB for a long time in the dynasty(at least hopefully not)

So, bash all you want, I realize I might get stung at RB, but the first round of the veteran draft isn't even over so moves can be made.

Oh, and LHUCKS... I don't really care if people see my real name. Thanks for using discretion, but honestly I have nothing to hide.

 
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May I ask who did this?
Seriously...I would not touch him in round 3!
Culcasi(Cracker) took him in the mid-second in Z30 I believe...still too early for my taste, but I'm not as high on him as most.
Just to clarify, no disrespect to people taking him this early. I know there's a few strong Culpepper backers here, and I've advocated taking Manning early in early season drafts so I'm not arguing strategy. I'm just wondering who did it.
I don't think he's a FBG, and I'd rather not post his real name...some people are sensitive to that.I just noticed in Z28 C-Pep went 1.03 :popcorn:
I took Culpepper at 1.07.I know, I know it's a stretch. Many people think he'll be hurt by the loss of Moss(I was in that boat earlier too), but being a Vikings homer I did it for two reasons:

1. I am a Vikings fan and it'll make it that much sweeter when he puts up 25 points each week.

2. I won't have to worry about QB for a long time in the dynasty(at least hopefully not)

So, bash all you want, I realize I might get stung at RB, but the first round of the veteran draft isn't even over so moves can be made.

Oh, and LHUCKS... I don't really care if people see my real name. Thanks for using discretion, but honestly I have nothing to hide.
Hi encaitar,I think you misinterpreted my posts. I never called it a bad pick, I said you may have reached, but keep in mind that is according to my projections and nobody's projections are spot on or else they'd take the WCOFF every year and the hobby would suck.

Like I said in my earlier posts, I think you can definitely make the argument for C-Pep early because of 6 point passing TDs and the long shelf life he is likely to have :thumbup:

I like to wait on QBs in leagues where you start 3RBs and 3WRs, but that's just me. I'm sure there will be picks of mine where you'll think I'm out of my gourd :loco: ...and I look forward to the criticism and competition.

It's nice to know there is another FBG in the league and it sounds like you're ready to bring your A-Game...good luck! :thumbup:

 
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Alas, I think we might be waiting until tomorrow to see LHUCKS strategy on the turn. If I recall, the Miami Dolphins owner works a night shift and probably won't make his selection until morning. Man, this is crazy. I haven't been this excited about football in March well... ever. What with the Vikings actually getting free agents of note and now the dynasty draft. It's great.

 
May I ask who did this?
Seriously...I would not touch him in round 3!
Culcasi(Cracker) took him in the mid-second in Z30 I believe...still too early for my taste, but I'm not as high on him as most.
Just to clarify, no disrespect to people taking him this early. I know there's a few strong Culpepper backers here, and I've advocated taking Manning early in early season drafts so I'm not arguing strategy. I'm just wondering who did it.
I don't think he's a FBG, and I'd rather not post his real name...some people are sensitive to that.I just noticed in Z28 C-Pep went 1.03 :popcorn:
I took Culpepper at 1.07.I know, I know it's a stretch. Many people think he'll be hurt by the loss of Moss(I was in that boat earlier too), but being a Vikings homer I did it for two reasons:

1. I am a Vikings fan and it'll make it that much sweeter when he puts up 25 points each week.

2. I won't have to worry about QB for a long time in the dynasty(at least hopefully not)

So, bash all you want, I realize I might get stung at RB, but the first round of the veteran draft isn't even over so moves can be made.

Oh, and LHUCKS... I don't really care if people see my real name. Thanks for using discretion, but honestly I have nothing to hide.
Hi encaitar,I think you misinterpreted my posts. IMHO it was a reach, but I never called it a bad pick. Like I said in my earlier posts, I think you can definitely make the argument for C-Pep early because of 6 point passing TDs and the long shelf life he is likely to have :thumbup:
No, I totally understood what you were saying. It was a reach. I debated for a long time between putting Duece or Duante at the No. 7 in my predraft. I just decided that QB's are more highly rated in a 6 point per passing TD league and I really think he's good for at least 25 a year.The first 6 picks played out almost exactly as I predicted too. I had Manning at the 1.05 and Portis at the 1.06, but the rest happened just as I thought.

 
I passed on Deuce at 7 in a league to take Moss. There are some reasons:

1) Saints offense is not getting into scoring position like they used to. Losses on the OL and inconsitancy from Brooks have slowed down the whole offense.

2) Terrell Smith was the lead blocker in both Ricky's and Deuce's best years. His leaving had a negative effect on Deuce.

3) The defense isn't playing well anymore, too many free agent losses and this leads to playing from behind. Playing from behind is killing Deuce's game.

4) Brooks isn't winning with his arm and people have stacked the box early in games.

Looking at the numbers:

All this added up to Deuce being the 19th overall running back in the game last season. This is NOT what you expect from a top 5 pick. Yes he was injured... He missed three games (one game fumbling and ending up with a negative score.) Not including games when he was injured, Deuce had three games under 10 points and three games over 20 games. None over 25.

This is solid for a #2 fantasy back but not enough for a #1 stud. Simply put, Duece isn't what he was back when Terrell Smith was blocking for him and the Saint's D was keeping games close or the Saits ahead. So he's not worthy of a top 5-6 pick anymore.
The losses on the o-line are not signficant. What was killing the o-line were the mental errors that lead to false starts (Victor Riley, most notably). Brooks' inconsistencies were there, surely, but inept playcalling exacerbated things.Terrell Smith's departure did affect Deuce, but OC McCarthy went to a single back and two-TE set early last season. This was awful for Deuce, as you can well imagine with Conwell and Boo blocking. Once they got FB Mike Karney to block for Deuce they were able to really run effectively (25+ carries in the last four games of the season, which the Saints won). This coming year will continue this, with the emphasis on short passing and ball control-style offense under the new OC Sheppard. And, finally, the much-maligned defense gelled with the final 4 games where they held the opposition to 18 points or less. The defense will likely be improved with MacKenzie, Dwight Smith and another offseason under the belts for a young LB corps.

The factors that contributed to Deuce's off year are there. However, IMO, the real poosibility for improvement is there with improved playcalling, real blocking FB, an adequate defense and making Brooks bear the load for Saints victories with late game heroics week after week. I don't know that I'd make him top 5 in RB's this season (too much flux at that position anyway) but he's certainly in the top 10. His numbers will bear that out this season and will be a great value pick for anyone that gets him after the 10 spot....

 
It's the one year memory syndrome. Deuce is #3 in my dynasty RB rankings.
Totally agree! I had deuce ranked #3 and got him at the 1.06 pick in a dynasty league. Very short memories.
 
I have been holding Deuce for 3 years in a keeper league. Yes, everything lined up against him last season (new system, bad defense, injuries, etc) and it drove every Deuce owner crazy watching the scores flash by and seeing the Saints down by 14 in the first quarter.Deuce is special - big, strong, quick, breakaway speed - when healthy. He may get spelled more by Stecker, but judging by the end of season run, it won't be that much more.I could keep Rudi if I wanted, but Deuce has shown he can do it before.I :heart: Deuce

 
Alas, I think we might be waiting until tomorrow to see LHUCKS strategy on the turn.  If I recall, the Miami Dolphins owner works a night shift and probably won't make his selection until morning.  Man, this is crazy.  I haven't been this excited about football in March well...  ever.  What with the Vikings actually getting free agents of note and now the dynasty draft.  It's great.
I took Ahman Green at 2.03 and then immediately offered him up for a trade, nobody has responded yet. But if I were one of the three people that didn't go RB in the first round I would seriously consider trading with me.So now I've got:

1.10 - Deuce

2.03 - Ahman

Slightly aged, but remember I have the 1.03 rookie pick which should add some solid youth to my RB group. Also, there is a pattern here, so far both picks have been spent on players coming off down years, much of which was due to minor injuries. :yes:

I don't know if people realize that Ahman was running with fractured ribs last year and is just one year removed from a monster season.

 
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May I ask who did this?
Seriously...I would not touch him in round 3!
Culcasi(Cracker) took him in the mid-second in Z30 I believe...still too early for my taste, but I'm not as high on him as most.
Just to clarify, no disrespect to people taking him this early. I know there's a few strong Culpepper backers here, and I've advocated taking Manning early in early season drafts so I'm not arguing strategy. I'm just wondering who did it.
I don't think he's a FBG, and I'd rather not post his real name...some people are sensitive to that.I just noticed in Z28 C-Pep went 1.03 :popcorn:
Did Manning go 1.02?
He actually went 1.06 in that draft. I'd like to hear the argument for C-Pep over Manning. :unsure:
To be fair I'm 90% sure that this pick in the draft came before Moss was traded. Still too early imo, but Culpepper at this spot in a dynasty league 5 weeks ago looked much more attractive.
 
I think a few people are worried that his stats will fall with the dismantling of the Green Bay offensive line. I really don't think he'll take that big of a hit, but it could be a reason that noone seems all to excited to get him this year.

 
May I ask who did this?
Seriously...I would not touch him in round 3!
Culcasi(Cracker) took him in the mid-second in Z30 I believe...still too early for my taste, but I'm not as high on him as most.
Just to clarify, no disrespect to people taking him this early. I know there's a few strong Culpepper backers here, and I've advocated taking Manning early in early season drafts so I'm not arguing strategy. I'm just wondering who did it.
I don't think he's a FBG, and I'd rather not post his real name...some people are sensitive to that.I just noticed in Z28 C-Pep went 1.03 :popcorn:
Did Manning go 1.02?
He actually went 1.06 in that draft. I'd like to hear the argument for C-Pep over Manning. :unsure:
To be fair I'm 90% sure that this pick in the draft came before Moss was traded. Still too early imo, but Culpepper at this spot in a dynasty league 5 weeks ago looked much more attractive.
Great point. Should be interesting to see where everybody has Culpepper ranked in a couple of months.
 

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