Why is everyone sleeping on Rashad Jennings? (1 Viewer)

[Holy Schneikes]

Some upside, tons of risk. No one knows for sure IF anyone is going to get a large percentage of the work. If someone DOES, we don't really know who it will be. There are three decent candidates. Wilson has the most flash by far and was a first round pick for a reason. Obviously, he has issues, so he is no sure thing, but if everything works out and it comes down to sheer talent, he's your guy. Some folks absolutely love Williams as well. He seems to have some talent, and is a bigger back that could ostensibly handle a load and/or short yardage duties. Then there is Jennings. Certainly a possibility for a big role, but is he obviously better than either of those guys, after four years of very limited production in the league?

Just too messy. Nobody wants to hold roster spots for each of three guys who play for a team that didn't produce much on offense last year. I could see taking a shot on the one you like best, but doing it on the cheap is really the only way to go, which is what you are seeing in the prices.

 

[Ojaays]

Some upside, tons of risk. No one knows for sure IF anyone is going to get a large percentage of the work. If someone DOES, we don't really know who it will be. There are three decent candidates. Wilson has the most flash by far and was a first round pick for a reason. Obviously, he has issues, so he is no sure thing, but if everything works out and it comes down to sheer talent, he's your guy. Some folks absolutely love Williams as well. He seems to have some talent, and is a bigger back that could ostensibly handle a load and/or short yardage duties. Then there is Jennings. Certainly a possibility for a big role, but is he obviously better than either of those guys, after four years of very limited production in the league?

Just too messy. Nobody wants to hold roster spots for each of three guys who play for a team that didn't produce much on offense last year. I could see taking a shot on the one you like best, but doing it on the cheap is really the only way to go, which is what you are seeing in the prices.

This.

The NYG running game is just too loose to put a finger on, and has been for the

last several yrs. It never turns out like it looks at the beginning of the year.

 

[Da Gildz]

Well now i see why the fantasy world is sleeping on this guy haha. Guess im in the minority here, i think he will produce high end RB2 #'s this yr, we'll see how it plays out. I do think a lot of you aren't accounting for Coughlin here enough. He values ball security/pass pro a lot more then flashiness. Jennings is your prototypical Coughlin-guy. Good luck to all of u.

 

[12punch]

This might as well be a thread from just last year.

Just sub in broncos for giants, and i'm sure there'll be another next year

 

[Anarchy99]

Top ranked RB on TCoughlin coached teams . . .

1995 James Stewart 42

1996 James Stewart 16

1997 Natrone Means 20

1998 Fred Taylor 3

1999 James Stewart 12

2000 Fred Taylor 6

2001 Stacey Mack 16

2002 Fred Taylor 11

2004 Tiki Barber 2

2005 Tiki Barber 4

2006 Tiki Barber 7

2007 Brandon Jacobs 20

2008 Brandon Jacobs 12

2009 Ahmad Bradshaw 28

2010 Ahmad Bradshaw 13

2011 Ahmad Bradshaw 20

2012 Ahmad Bradshaw 16

2013 Andre Brown 49

Coughlin has put up decent numbers for his primary back in the past. I guess the question becomes whether Jennings will be used as a heavy workload guy.

 

[Chaka]

This might as well be a thread from just last year.

Just sub in broncos for giants, and i'm sure there'll be another next year

Exactly.

This is Knowshon Moreno 2.0, Coughlin and Fox are cut from the same cloth and pure running ability will not be the deciding factor.

However, to be fair, there is no way Jennings duplicates Moreno's 1,500+ yards and 13 TDs but he could come close with maybe 1,300 total yards and an upside of 8 TDs.

 

[bagger]

You like Jennings in the 3rd/4th but not CJ2K in the 5th/6th.



Glllllll peas.

 

[steveski]

To those saying his age doesn't matter and it's just how many miles are on the car, I have to disagree. I'm 29 now and I recover from injuries and bumps and bruises way slower than I used to when I was in my early 20's. I know a non-athlete is not a great comparison, but it's probably a better comparison than a car.

I don't think he's too old to have lost his skills or his abilities, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him wear down as the year goes on. I don't care if he's had 200 total career carries or 2000 total career carries, playing through that amount of abuse is not as easy when you're 29 as it is when you're 23.

 

[georg013]

Wow! Does the body break down at 29 these days? Hate to imagine what will happen to me at age 49! I might as well buy a wheelchair now!

 

[monk]

I've seen rankings with this guy in the high 20's for rb's, even 30 on a pretty well-known fantasy 'analyst's' board. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Jennings can pass block, has great hands and is serviceable enough to run between the tackles. And just as important, he doesn't FUMBLE! Anyone who knows the GMen, know Coughlin detests backs who fumble. Also, anyone who follows them, knows the feature back on this offense is ALWAYS a solid fantasy option, at worst a RB2. Wilson will have a role, similar to Sproles if u ask me. And Andre-Will cannot catch a football. His role is clearly defined here.

Jennings last year put up 1k total yds on 200 touches. I think he can easily reach 300 total touches and double digit scores. Not to mention catching 40+ balls isn't out of the question. This guy is as rock solid RB2 as I can find with RB1 potential. Add in the fact, he's 29 with 387 carries to his name, he's as fresh a 29 yr old rb as you'll ever find.

Continue to sleep fantasy world, I wont be waking you up anytime soon.

He's got 2 better RBs behind him

 

[Chaka]

I've seen rankings with this guy in the high 20's for rb's, even 30 on a pretty well-known fantasy 'analyst's' board. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Jennings can pass block, has great hands and is serviceable enough to run between the tackles. And just as important, he doesn't FUMBLE! Anyone who knows the GMen, know Coughlin detests backs who fumble. Also, anyone who follows them, knows the feature back on this offense is ALWAYS a solid fantasy option, at worst a RB2. Wilson will have a role, similar to Sproles if u ask me. And Andre-Will cannot catch a football. His role is clearly defined here.

Jennings last year put up 1k total yds on 200 touches. I think he can easily reach 300 total touches and double digit scores. Not to mention catching 40+ balls isn't out of the question. This guy is as rock solid RB2 as I can find with RB1 potential. Add in the fact, he's 29 with 387 carries to his name, he's as fresh a 29 yr old rb as you'll ever find.

Continue to sleep fantasy world, I wont be waking you up anytime soon.

He's got 2 better RBs behind him

Without question the guy Tom Coughlin will play the most is the one who picks up the blitz best and fumbles the least. For Tom Coughlin (just like John Fox) those factors supersede running ability. It's a fact. Irrefutable and immutable.

While it could absolutely change as the season goes on, right now Jennings is the guy in New York.

 

[12punch]

I'll stand by my theory, whoever protects Eli will play. And we've seen Wilson fail miserably there and Andre Will is a rookie who has no hands. He wont be sniffing 3rd down work.

Barring injury, I think Jennings is a safe bet for 1,300+ total yds, double digit TD's and ~ 40 rec's.

There have been 15 RB over the past 3 seasons to put up 1300/10 with 40 receptions. In the past 40 years, a NYG RB has done it 4 times. Tiki Barber 3 times and Rodney Hampton once. The point being, it is much harder than it sounds.

that might be true just as a point of emphasis, and I realize the numbers are a response to someone else, but you, yourself, have posted on the irrelevance of these kind of predictions .

even if we can predict anything with any kind of accuracy, we can't predict games lost to injury, and that would be the implied but unlisted 4th criterion --- even if you're on track for the stated numbers you might fall short due to injury, so I think it's better to frame it in terms of ppg goals, and I think 12 ppg, or whatever that works out to be, is a lot easier target to hit.

the bradshaw/jacobs years were clearly a split workload between 2 guys who could be frankensteined into one jennings, unless of course you have reason to believe wilson or the rookie will get a substantial share based on nothing they've done to date.

 

[georg013]

I've seen rankings with this guy in the high 20's for rb's, even 30 on a pretty well-known fantasy 'analyst's' board. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Jennings can pass block, has great hands and is serviceable enough to run between the tackles. And just as important, he doesn't FUMBLE! Anyone who knows the GMen, know Coughlin detests backs who fumble. Also, anyone who follows them, knows the feature back on this offense is ALWAYS a solid fantasy option, at worst a RB2. Wilson will have a role, similar to Sproles if u ask me. And Andre-Will cannot catch a football. His role is clearly defined here.

Jennings last year put up 1k total yds on 200 touches. I think he can easily reach 300 total touches and double digit scores. Not to mention catching 40+ balls isn't out of the question. This guy is as rock solid RB2 as I can find with RB1 potential. Add in the fact, he's 29 with 387 carries to his name, he's as fresh a 29 yr old rb as you'll ever find.

Continue to sleep fantasy world, I wont be waking you up anytime soon.

He's got 2 better RBs behind him

Who else did the Giants draft besides Andre Williams?

 

[Anarchy99]

I'll stand by my theory, whoever protects Eli will play. And we've seen Wilson fail miserably there and Andre Will is a rookie who has no hands. He wont be sniffing 3rd down work.

Barring injury, I think Jennings is a safe bet for 1,300+ total yds, double digit TD's and ~ 40 rec's.

There have been 15 RB over the past 3 seasons to put up 1300/10 with 40 receptions. In the past 40 years, a NYG RB has done it 4 times. Tiki Barber 3 times and Rodney Hampton once. The point being, it is much harder than it sounds.

that might be true just as a point of emphasis, and I realize the numbers are a response to someone else, but you, yourself, have posted on the irrelevance of these kind of predictions .

even if we can predict anything with any kind of accuracy, we can't predict games lost to injury, and that would be the implied but unlisted 4th criterion --- even if you're on track for the stated numbers you might fall short due to injury, so I think it's better to frame it in terms of ppg goals, and I think 12 ppg, or whatever that works out to be, is a lot easier target to hit.

the bradshaw/jacobs years were clearly a split workload between 2 guys who could be frankensteined into one jennings, unless of course you have reason to believe wilson or the rookie will get a substantial share based on nothing they've done to date.

I have already stated that it would not be impossible or even improbable for Jennings to score 190 fantasy points (0 ppr) or 230 fantasy points (1 ppr) if things worked out perfectly. I just think that it would be unlikely. My rationale is that the Giants offense overall was not a very good unit and did not score many points. I understand that last year is not this year, but even with a different system, the Giants have quite a ways to go to get to be even average. As already mentioned, we don't know if Jennings can play as many snaps or get the ball as often as some have projected game in and game out. And as others have mentioned, if Jennings is really an average back, it seems almost counter intuitive for him to put up Top Third in the league running back numbers. When you factor in that the defense wasn't that great either, the Giants may not have a lot of games where they will run the ball a ton. As far as Wilson or Williams goes, people seem to be leaving out the option that one of those two could stay healthy and provide pass protection . . . and if either of them were more productive than Jennings than all bets are off. So yes, Jennings appears to be the best option heading into training camp and into the season, but it's not exactly a lock with no risk that he will stay that way for 16 games (while staying healthy).

 

[12punch]

Andre brown finished weak, but he had a few decent weeks, and the offense is possibly improved.

Is brown so much better than jennings?

 

[monk]

I've seen rankings with this guy in the high 20's for rb's, even 30 on a pretty well-known fantasy 'analyst's' board. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Jennings can pass block, has great hands and is serviceable enough to run between the tackles. And just as important, he doesn't FUMBLE! Anyone who knows the GMen, know Coughlin detests backs who fumble. Also, anyone who follows them, knows the feature back on this offense is ALWAYS a solid fantasy option, at worst a RB2. Wilson will have a role, similar to Sproles if u ask me. And Andre-Will cannot catch a football. His role is clearly defined here.

Jennings last year put up 1k total yds on 200 touches. I think he can easily reach 300 total touches and double digit scores. Not to mention catching 40+ balls isn't out of the question. This guy is as rock solid RB2 as I can find with RB1 potential. Add in the fact, he's 29 with 387 carries to his name, he's as fresh a 29 yr old rb as you'll ever find.

Continue to sleep fantasy world, I wont be waking you up anytime soon.

He's got 2 better RBs behind him

Without question the guy Tom Coughlin will play the most is the one who picks up the blitz best and fumbles the least. For Tom Coughlin (just like John Fox) those factors supersede running ability. It's a fact. Irrefutable and immutable.

While it could absolutely change as the season goes on, right now Jennings is the guy in New York.

Nobody said he is not the main guy to start the season .... I said he has 2 better RBs behind him.

I don' think he will be the main guy to end the season

 

[Eminence]

if you handcuff with Williams, then I have no problem with it.

 

[monk]

I've seen rankings with this guy in the high 20's for rb's, even 30 on a pretty well-known fantasy 'analyst's' board. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Jennings can pass block, has great hands and is serviceable enough to run between the tackles. And just as important, he doesn't FUMBLE! Anyone who knows the GMen, know Coughlin detests backs who fumble. Also, anyone who follows them, knows the feature back on this offense is ALWAYS a solid fantasy option, at worst a RB2. Wilson will have a role, similar to Sproles if u ask me. And Andre-Will cannot catch a football. His role is clearly defined here.

Jennings last year put up 1k total yds on 200 touches. I think he can easily reach 300 total touches and double digit scores. Not to mention catching 40+ balls isn't out of the question. This guy is as rock solid RB2 as I can find with RB1 potential. Add in the fact, he's 29 with 387 carries to his name, he's as fresh a 29 yr old rb as you'll ever find.

Continue to sleep fantasy world, I wont be waking you up anytime soon.

Not a chance and If Wilson is healthy he will be lucky to reach half of those numbers

 

[monk]

I've seen rankings with this guy in the high 20's for rb's, even 30 on a pretty well-known fantasy 'analyst's' board. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Jennings can pass block, has great hands and is serviceable enough to run between the tackles. And just as important, he doesn't FUMBLE! Anyone who knows the GMen, know Coughlin detests backs who fumble. Also, anyone who follows them, knows the feature back on this offense is ALWAYS a solid fantasy option, at worst a RB2. Wilson will have a role, similar to Sproles if u ask me. And Andre-Will cannot catch a football. His role is clearly defined here.

Jennings last year put up 1k total yds on 200 touches. I think he can easily reach 300 total touches and double digit scores. Not to mention catching 40+ balls isn't out of the question. This guy is as rock solid RB2 as I can find with RB1 potential. Add in the fact, he's 29 with 387 carries to his name, he's as fresh a 29 yr old rb as you'll ever find.

Continue to sleep fantasy world, I wont be waking you up anytime soon.

He's got 2 better RBs behind him

Who else did the Giants draft besides Andre Williams?

Who said anything about draft ?

 

[georg013]

Give it time. It will come to you.

 

[12punch]

I've seen rankings with this guy in the high 20's for rb's, even 30 on a pretty well-known fantasy 'analyst's' board. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Jennings can pass block, has great hands and is serviceable enough to run between the tackles. And just as important, he doesn't FUMBLE! Anyone who knows the GMen, know Coughlin detests backs who fumble. Also, anyone who follows them, knows the feature back on this offense is ALWAYS a solid fantasy option, at worst a RB2. Wilson will have a role, similar to Sproles if u ask me. And Andre-Will cannot catch a football. His role is clearly defined here.

Jennings last year put up 1k total yds on 200 touches. I think he can easily reach 300 total touches and double digit scores. Not to mention catching 40+ balls isn't out of the question. This guy is as rock solid RB2 as I can find with RB1 potential. Add in the fact, he's 29 with 387 carries to his name, he's as fresh a 29 yr old rb as you'll ever find.

Continue to sleep fantasy world, I wont be waking you up anytime soon.

He's got 2 better RBs behind him

Who else did the Giants draft besides Andre Williams?

Zing!

 

[josefrees]

Hold on hold on. Who controls personnel on the field? Is Tom Coughlin the one calling the plays and putting in the packages? If he is how come Gilbride lost his job??? If you are looking for usage of players you are going to find better answers looking at how the Packers have ran their offenses because of MacAdoo than how anybody else has.

Also, one disadvantage to considering his past career is all the teams he has ever played for have been terrible so expecting gleam anything from his past his foolhardy.

 

[Da Gildz]

ESPN New York's Dan Graziano said, "Everything I heard about (Giants rookie RB Andre) Williams in spring practices indicated he needed a lot more work."

Williams is a north-south runner that has surprising speed once he breaks into the second level. He leaves a lot to be desired in the passing game, however, and it is likely that aspect of his game that requires the work. Unless he shows aptitude as a pass blocker, he will find playing time hard to come by his rookie year.

So of the 3 main backs, only 1 can catch passes and block. Good luck to all thinking Jennings won't be the main back all season long.

Zzzz...

 

[ldizzle]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

 

[Da Gildz]

Is he even guaranteed to make the roster? They're going to carry 5 RB's??

 

[georg013]

Jennings is going to be lights out this season.

 

[Chaka]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.

*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

 

[monk]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.

*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....

It's funny!

 

[Chaka]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.

*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....

It's funny!

Perhaps but it seems a lot of people focus more on pure running ability than who the head coach is.

If the RB can't be trusted to block for Eli then they won't be the lead back in New York. That's a fact. Perhaps Wilson has greatly improved in that area, and if he has then watch out, but if not he is a COP and little more and the guys who can be trusted to block are Jennings and Hillis.

 

[georg013]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.

*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....

It's funny!

Perhaps but it seems a lot of people focus more on pure running ability than who the head coach is.

If the RB can't be trusted to block for Eli then they won't be the lead back in New York. That's a fact. Perhaps Wilson has greatly improved in that area, and if he has then watch out, but if not he is a COP and little more and the guys who can be trusted to block are Jennings and Hillis.

I agree. As for Wilson, how can he greatly improve from the trainer's table? He has yet to even be cleared for contact. Maybe he has been doing mental blocking drills over the offseason. Lol.

 

[Chaka]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.

*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....

It's funny!

Perhaps but it seems a lot of people focus more on pure running ability than who the head coach is.

If the RB can't be trusted to block for Eli then they won't be the lead back in New York. That's a fact. Perhaps Wilson has greatly improved in that area, and if he has then watch out, but if not he is a COP and little more and the guys who can be trusted to block are Jennings and Hillis.

I agree. As for Wilson, how can he greatly improve from the trainer's table? He has yet to even be cleared for contact. Maybe he has been doing mental blocking drills over the offseason. Lol.

It's a good question and even if he is cleared and has improved his blocking he has to come at a discounted sticker price with the injury concern, the same condition ended Michael Irvin's career.

Although there is plenty of scientific data supporting the efficacy of mental reps. They actually work.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

And I thought some gerhart owners were getting carried away with his potential. Then I came into this thread. High end rb2 numbers? Come on

 

[monk]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.

*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....

It's funny!

Perhaps but it seems a lot of people focus more on pure running ability than who the head coach is.

If the RB can't be trusted to block for Eli then they won't be the lead back in New York. That's a fact. Perhaps Wilson has greatly improved in that area, and if he has then watch out, but if not he is a COP and little more and the guys who can be trusted to block are Jennings and Hillis.

You do realize that Wilson was trusted to block for Eli last year, and started all but 1 game and led the team in carries every game until he was injured .... right ?

 

[monk]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.

*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....

It's funny!

Perhaps but it seems a lot of people focus more on pure running ability than who the head coach is.

If the RB can't be trusted to block for Eli then they won't be the lead back in New York. That's a fact. Perhaps Wilson has greatly improved in that area, and if he has then watch out, but if not he is a COP and little more and the guys who can be trusted to block are Jennings and Hillis.

I agree. As for Wilson, how can he greatly improve from the trainer's table? He has yet to even be cleared for contact. Maybe he has been doing mental blocking drills over the offseason. Lol.

We will know more on Monday

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/7448/david-wilson

 

[Da Gildz]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....It's funny!

Perhaps but it seems a lot of people focus more on pure running ability than who the head coach is.If the RB can't be trusted to block for Eli then they won't be the lead back in New York. That's a fact. Perhaps Wilson has greatly improved in that area, and if he has then watch out, but if not he is a COP and little more and the guys who can be trusted to block are Jennings and Hillis.

You do realize that Wilson was trusted to block for Eli last year, and started all but 1 game and led the team in carries every game until he was injured .... right ?

What? Lol. He rushed 44 times last year and was horrific blocking for Eli. Giants fans held their breath every time he was in there 3rd downs..

 

[monk]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....It's funny!

Perhaps but it seems a lot of people focus more on pure running ability than who the head coach is.If the RB can't be trusted to block for Eli then they won't be the lead back in New York. That's a fact. Perhaps Wilson has greatly improved in that area, and if he has then watch out, but if not he is a COP and little more and the guys who can be trusted to block are Jennings and Hillis.

You do realize that Wilson was trusted to block for Eli last year, and started all but 1 game and led the team in carries every game until he was injured .... right ?

What? Lol. He rushed 44 times last year and was horrific blocking for Eli. Giants fans held their breath every time he was in there 3rd downs..

Not this one ! And any knowledgeable Giants fan will tell you that Wilson was the best RB on a god awful team. If you didn't notice all of the Giant RBs were awful last season ...some were even let go. Giants were very near the bottom of the NFL in rushing last seasons with or without Wilson.

I'm glad the Giants signed Jennings ... I think he will be a good back for them but he is going to lose a significant amount of carries to Wilson (If healthy) and to Williams once he gets acclimated.

Sorry to disappoint you Jennings owners ...but them's the facts.

 

[Da Gildz]

Wow.

 

[grateful zed]

where does he stand relative to chris johnson?

 

[Chaka]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.

*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....

It's funny!

Perhaps but it seems a lot of people focus more on pure running ability than who the head coach is.

If the RB can't be trusted to block for Eli then they won't be the lead back in New York. That's a fact. Perhaps Wilson has greatly improved in that area, and if he has then watch out, but if not he is a COP and little more and the guys who can be trusted to block are Jennings and Hillis.

You do realize that Wilson was trusted to block for Eli last year, and started all but 1 game and led the team in carries every game until he was injured .... right ?

Week, offensive snap %, Start/No Start, # of offensive snaps

Week 1: D.Scott 62% (NS, 37), D.Wilson 38% (S, 23)

Week 2: D.Scott 49% (NS 39), D.Wilson 30% (S, 24)

Week 3: D.Wilson 48% (S, 25), D.Scott 40% (NS 21)

Week 4: D.Wilson 46% (NS 29), D.Scott 43% (S, 27)

Week 5: Both injured.

Total offensive snaps through first four games D.Scott 124, D.Wilson 101

The Giants lost their first four games (first 6 actually) 31-36, 41-23, 0-38, 7-31 strongly implying that despite getting the start in 3 of 4 games once they fell behind and started passing more Wilson was pulled in favor of Scott.

ETA: I don't feel like breaking this down into snaps by quarter to prove that but I'm comfortable with my conclusion.

 

[Chaka]

where does he stand relative to chris johnson?

CJ six days a week and twice on Sunday. Let's not get crazy now.

 

[steveski]

where does he stand relative to chris johnson?

CJ six days a week and twice on Sunday. Let's not get crazy now.

Really? I can understand some people preferring CJ over Jennings, but it's far from a sure thing and most people would actually prefer Jennings (according to ADP).

 

[Chaka]

where does he stand relative to chris johnson?

CJ six days a week and twice on Sunday. Let's not get crazy now.

Really? I can understand some people preferring CJ over Jennings, but it's far from a sure thing and most people would actually prefer Jennings (according to ADP).

Look around, most people are idiots.

ETA: Just kidding.

ETA 2: Well, mostly kidding.

 

[steveski]

where does he stand relative to chris johnson?

CJ six days a week and twice on Sunday. Let's not get crazy now.

Really? I can understand some people preferring CJ over Jennings, but it's far from a sure thing and most people would actually prefer Jennings (according to ADP).

Look around, most people are idiots.

ETA: Just kidding.

ETA 2: Well, mostly kidding.

I thought CJ was being undervalued a little bit, I'd probably take him right after Jennings. I think CJ needs a full load to put up RB2 numbers and I don't think he will. I think Jennings can put up RB2 numbers sharing the load.

Just my opinion.

 

[Anarchy99]

where does he stand relative to chris johnson?

A couple inches taller. Jennings is 6'1". Johnson is 5'11".

 

[georg013]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....It's funny!

Perhaps but it seems a lot of people focus more on pure running ability than who the head coach is.If the RB can't be trusted to block for Eli then they won't be the lead back in New York. That's a fact. Perhaps Wilson has greatly improved in that area, and if he has then watch out, but if not he is a COP and little more and the guys who can be trusted to block are Jennings and Hillis.

You do realize that Wilson was trusted to block for Eli last year, and started all but 1 game and led the team in carries every game until he was injured .... right ?

What? Lol. He rushed 44 times last year and was horrific blocking for Eli. Giants fans held their breath every time he was in there 3rd downs..

Not this one ! And any knowledgeable Giants fan will tell you that Wilson was the best RB on a god awful team. If you didn't notice all of the Giant RBs were awful last season ...some were even let go. Giants were very near the bottom of the NFL in rushing last seasons with or without Wilson.

I'm glad the Giants signed Jennings ... I think he will be a good back for them but he is going to lose a significant amount of carries to Wilson (If healthy) and to Williams once he gets acclimated.

Sorry to disappoint you Jennings owners ...but them's the facts.

Honest question: How many teams do you have that have David Wilson rostered or on IR? The only siginificant thing Jennings will lose (barring injury) will be special teams snaps. That is where Wilson will thrive for the forseeable future IF he even stays on the field. He has disappointment written all over him IMO. Lots of owners hoping for a miracle cause they spent so much for him. Hope you weren't one of them mate.

 

[Nero]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....It's funny!

Perhaps but it seems a lot of people focus more on pure running ability than who the head coach is.If the RB can't be trusted to block for Eli then they won't be the lead back in New York. That's a fact. Perhaps Wilson has greatly improved in that area, and if he has then watch out, but if not he is a COP and little more and the guys who can be trusted to block are Jennings and Hillis.

You do realize that Wilson was trusted to block for Eli last year, and started all but 1 game and led the team in carries every game until he was injured .... right ?

Week, offensive snap %, Start/No Start, # of offensive snapsWeek 1: D.Scott 62% (NS, 37), D.Wilson 38% (S, 23)

Week 2: D.Scott 49% (NS 39), D.Wilson 30% (S, 24)

Week 3: D.Wilson 48% (S, 25), D.Scott 40% (NS 21)

Week 4: D.Wilson 46% (NS 29), D.Scott 43% (S, 27)

Week 5: Both injured.

Total offensive snaps through first four games D.Scott 124, D.Wilson 101

The Giants lost their first four games (first 6 actually) 31-36, 41-23, 0-38, 7-31 strongly implying that despite getting the start in 3 of 4 games once they fell behind and started passing more Wilson was pulled in favor of Scott.

ETA: I don't feel like breaking this down into snaps by quarter to prove that but I'm comfortable with my conclusion.

I don't think it was blocking as much as Wilson was just ineffective. Wilson lacks vision and patience, so he is unable to maximize his athletic gifts. I've seen runners improve (Bush, R. Williams) in that area and maybe a scheme change could help. That said, I've moved past Wilson and think the real threat to Jennings is Andre Williams. I think Williams will do what Wilson was expected to do, so I am not bullish on Jennings.

 

[monk]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....It's funny!

You do realize that Wilson was trusted to block for Eli last year, and started all but 1 game and led the team in carries every game until he was injured .... right ?

What? Lol. He rushed 44 times last year and was horrific blocking for Eli. Giants fans held their breath every time he was in there 3rd downs..

Not this one ! And any knowledgeable Giants fan will tell you that Wilson was the best RB on a god awful team. If you didn't notice all of the Giant RBs were awful last season ...some were even let go. Giants were very near the bottom of the NFL in rushing last seasons with or without Wilson.

I'm glad the Giants signed Jennings ... I think he will be a good back for them but he is going to lose a significant amount of carries to Wilson (If healthy) and to Williams once he gets acclimated.

Sorry to disappoint you Jennings owners ...but them's the facts.

Honest question: How many teams do you have that have David Wilson rostered or on IR? The only siginificant thing Jennings will lose (barring injury) will be special teams snaps. That is where Wilson will thrive for the forseeable future IF he even stays on the field. He has disappointment written all over him IMO. Lots of owners hoping for a miracle cause they spent so much for him. Hope you weren't one of them mate.

Honestly 0 ...I only play in 1 league and it's a redraft and 1 draft after the final preseason games

I'm a Giants fan and I hate drafting Giant players.

 

[Chaka]

where does he stand relative to chris johnson?

CJ six days a week and twice on Sunday. Let's not get crazy now.

Really? I can understand some people preferring CJ over Jennings, but it's far from a sure thing and most people would actually prefer Jennings (according to ADP).

Look around, most people are idiots.

ETA: Just kidding.

ETA 2: Well, mostly kidding.

I thought CJ was being undervalued a little bit, I'd probably take him right after Jennings. I think CJ needs a full load to put up RB2 numbers and I don't think he will. I think Jennings can put up RB2 numbers sharing the load.

Just my opinion.

Why do people think CJ will be in a time share? The Jets brought in Ivory last year and paid him $10 mil over 3 years (as well as giving the Saints a 4th round pick) and they thought so much of him that they brought in CJ this year at $4 mil/year. They're paying CJ to start and carry the load.

 

[Chaka]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....It's funny!

Perhaps but it seems a lot of people focus more on pure running ability than who the head coach is.If the RB can't be trusted to block for Eli then they won't be the lead back in New York. That's a fact. Perhaps Wilson has greatly improved in that area, and if he has then watch out, but if not he is a COP and little more and the guys who can be trusted to block are Jennings and Hillis.

You do realize that Wilson was trusted to block for Eli last year, and started all but 1 game and led the team in carries every game until he was injured .... right ?

Week, offensive snap %, Start/No Start, # of offensive snapsWeek 1: D.Scott 62% (NS, 37), D.Wilson 38% (S, 23)

Week 2: D.Scott 49% (NS 39), D.Wilson 30% (S, 24)

Week 3: D.Wilson 48% (S, 25), D.Scott 40% (NS 21)

Week 4: D.Wilson 46% (NS 29), D.Scott 43% (S, 27)

Week 5: Both injured.

Total offensive snaps through first four games D.Scott 124, D.Wilson 101

The Giants lost their first four games (first 6 actually) 31-36, 41-23, 0-38, 7-31 strongly implying that despite getting the start in 3 of 4 games once they fell behind and started passing more Wilson was pulled in favor of Scott.

ETA: I don't feel like breaking this down into snaps by quarter to prove that but I'm comfortable with my conclusion.

I don't think it was blocking as much as Wilson was just ineffective. Wilson lacks vision and patience, so he is unable to maximize his athletic gifts. I've seen runners improve (Bush, R. Williams) in that area and maybe a scheme change could help. That said, I've moved past Wilson and think the real threat to Jennings is Andre Williams. I think Williams will do what Wilson was expected to do, so I am not bullish on Jennings.

It's true that Wilson struggled but I don't think that logic holds up either. Scott had 20 carries (16.7% of his snaps) and 11 receptions (9%) and Wilson had 44 carries (44%) and 2 receptions (2%). It seems pretty clear that Scott was not being brought in to carry the ball and Wilson was. In fact it really seems that defenses were pretty confident when Wilson was in the game that he was going to be carrying the ball.

No doubt Scott was marginally more effective 3.7 ypc to 3.3 and 9 ypr to 4 but, like I said, I think that is also reflective of defenses playing the run more when Wilson was in the game.

 

[steveski]

Hillis can catch passes and block too. Im not advocating him but they have 2 guys that can perform 3 down duties.

It's funny you say that because he is the guy I would see taking over if Jennings gets hurt*.*That is if he makes the final roster. Does he play special teams?

It's funny you should say that because ....It's funny!

Perhaps but it seems a lot of people focus more on pure running ability than who the head coach is.If the RB can't be trusted to block for Eli then they won't be the lead back in New York. That's a fact. Perhaps Wilson has greatly improved in that area, and if he has then watch out, but if not he is a COP and little more and the guys who can be trusted to block are Jennings and Hillis.

You do realize that Wilson was trusted to block for Eli last year, and started all but 1 game and led the team in carries every game until he was injured .... right ?

Week, offensive snap %, Start/No Start, # of offensive snapsWeek 1: D.Scott 62% (NS, 37), D.Wilson 38% (S, 23)

Week 2: D.Scott 49% (NS 39), D.Wilson 30% (S, 24)

Week 3: D.Wilson 48% (S, 25), D.Scott 40% (NS 21)

Week 4: D.Wilson 46% (NS 29), D.Scott 43% (S, 27)

Week 5: Both injured.

Total offensive snaps through first four games D.Scott 124, D.Wilson 101

The Giants lost their first four games (first 6 actually) 31-36, 41-23, 0-38, 7-31 strongly implying that despite getting the start in 3 of 4 games once they fell behind and started passing more Wilson was pulled in favor of Scott.

ETA: I don't feel like breaking this down into snaps by quarter to prove that but I'm comfortable with my conclusion.

I don't think it was blocking as much as Wilson was just ineffective. Wilson lacks vision and patience, so he is unable to maximize his athletic gifts. I've seen runners improve (Bush, R. Williams) in that area and maybe a scheme change could help. That said, I've moved past Wilson and think the real threat to Jennings is Andre Williams. I think Williams will do what Wilson was expected to do, so I am not bullish on Jennings.

It's true that Wilson struggled but I don't think that logic holds up either. Scott had 20 carries (16.7% of his snaps) and 11 receptions (9%) and Wilson had 44 carries (44%) and 2 receptions (2%). It seems pretty clear that Scott was not being brought in to carry the ball and Wilson was. In fact it really seems that defenses were pretty confident when Wilson was in the game that he was going to be carrying the ball.

No doubt Scott was marginally more effective 3.7 ypc to 3.3 and 9 ypr to 4 but, like I said, I think that is also reflective of defenses playing the run more when Wilson was in the game.

Agreed. I also don't have any numbers to back it up, but it also seemed like the majority of the time they gave him the ball he was being hit in the backfield or it was a run between the tackles on an offensive line that couldn't open a hole.

People that say Wilson is a failure are wrong because he hasn't had a decent chance yet. Maybe he'll still end up failing, I don't know. I saw enough in the end of 2012 to have some faith in him. It seems to me like 2013 was the perfect storm of unfortunate circumstances.

You can't judge a guy on limitied carries and on such a small sample size. If I remember correct, Eddie Lacy had negative rushing yards in one of the preseason games last year...