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Why is everyone sleeping on Rashad Jennings? (1 Viewer)

Da Gildz said:
monk said:
Jennings just lost 5 plus carries a game starting game 1 and gradually increasing from there.
There are going to be a lot of disappointed Wilson owners this year, including this guy.
Who do you think are more disappointed at this moment Wilson owners or Jennings owners?

Which way do you think its trending ?
I'm not sure why you think a lot has changed in 1 day... It hasn't. The people in the 'know' who are closest to this team still are saying the same thing they've said the entire off season. Rashad Jennings will the FEATURE BACK. From Paul Dotino to Ralph Vacchiano, both say its Jennings with the other 2 sprinkled in. What backfield doesn't have complimentary players in it, outside of maybe 4-5 guys in the entire league.

Of course Andre Williams will be there in short yardage situations, who didn't realize that? That's all he does well. I still don't see them pulling Jennings inside the 5. He's 230 lbs, I think he handle those situations. And Wilson will be a complimentary player on this team, which is what everyone thought anyways.

I stand by my premise, there will be a lot of disappointed Wilson owners who for some reason think this is still the summer of 2013..
The guy who led the nation in rushing with over 2000 yards? That's a lot of short yardage situations.
is that the same 'nobody' giving wilson the easiest path he ever had?

 
12punch said:
monk said:
Jennings just lost 5 plus carries a game starting game 1 and gradually increasing from there.
There are going to be a lot of disappointed Wilson owners this year, including this guy.
Who do you think are more disappointed at this moment Wilson owners or Jennings owners?

Which way do you think its trending ?
6 month rolling, or the 3 min since you fired up that bong?
I know I sure as hell don't get this ... I suspect I'm not alone

 
Da Gildz said:
monk said:
Jennings just lost 5 plus carries a game starting game 1 and gradually increasing from there.
There are going to be a lot of disappointed Wilson owners this year, including this guy.
Who do you think are more disappointed at this moment Wilson owners or Jennings owners?

Which way do you think its trending ?
I'm not sure why you think a lot has changed in 1 day... It hasn't. The people in the 'know' who are closest to this team still are saying the same thing they've said the entire off season. Rashad Jennings will the FEATURE BACK. From Paul Dotino to Ralph Vacchiano, both say its Jennings with the other 2 sprinkled in. What backfield doesn't have complimentary players in it, outside of maybe 4-5 guys in the entire league.

Of course Andre Williams will be there in short yardage situations, who didn't realize that? That's all he does well. I still don't see them pulling Jennings inside the 5. He's 230 lbs, I think he handle those situations. And Wilson will be a complimentary player on this team, which is what everyone thought anyways.

I stand by my premise, there will be a lot of disappointed Wilson owners who for some reason think this is still the summer of 2013..
The guy who led the nation in rushing with over 2000 yards? That's a lot of short yardage situations.
Yet he lasted until the 4th rd in the draft? Its because he has no hands at all, is not fast, and struggles in pass pro. He's your prototypical short yardage back in the NFL. Frankly he reminds me a lot of Shonn Greene. Yay.

 
Da Gildz said:
monk said:
Jennings just lost 5 plus carries a game starting game 1 and gradually increasing from there.
There are going to be a lot of disappointed Wilson owners this year, including this guy.
Who do you think are more disappointed at this moment Wilson owners or Jennings owners?

Which way do you think its trending ?
I'm not sure why you think a lot has changed in 1 day... It hasn't. The people in the 'know' who are closest to this team still are saying the same thing they've said the entire off season. Rashad Jennings will the FEATURE BACK. From Paul Dotino to Ralph Vacchiano, both say its Jennings with the other 2 sprinkled in. What backfield doesn't have complimentary players in it, outside of maybe 4-5 guys in the entire league.

Of course Andre Williams will be there in short yardage situations, who didn't realize that? That's all he does well. I still don't see them pulling Jennings inside the 5. He's 230 lbs, I think he handle those situations. And Wilson will be a complimentary player on this team, which is what everyone thought anyways.

I stand by my premise, there will be a lot of disappointed Wilson owners who for some reason think this is still the summer of 2013..
The guy who led the nation in rushing with over 2000 yards? That's a lot of short yardage situations.
Yet he lasted until the 4th rd in the draft? Its because he has no hands at all, is not fast, and struggles in pass pro. He's your prototypical short yardage back in the NFL. Frankly he reminds me a lot of Shonn Greene. Yay.
Get a clue, watch a little football now and then and learn to do some research. It's much better to be able to formulate your own opinion rather than regurgitating someone elses uninformed Bull ####.

Williams is not slow, is not known for being slow, and is in fact known to play much faster than his 40 time which is very good for his size...much better than other big backs Carlos Hyde and Jeremy Hill.

Draft Profile Comments

"Shows an extra gear to kick it into overdrive and outrace defenders to the end zone. Good finishing speed -- did not see him get tracked down from behind."

I'm not going to say that he is a good or bad receiver because he was not used enough as a receiver for me to make a judgement but ... according to his draft profile and the professional scouts that evaluated him "he caught the ball extremely well at his pro day."

Go listen to Coughlin's practice report from today ...he has very good things to say about Williams and says he is more than a one dimensional back.

[SIZE=11.818181991577148px]"Yet he lasted until the 4th rd in the draft? " [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11.818181991577148px]Really? Are you really going to use that as your argument? [/SIZE]

 
Get a clue he says. Lol. Do u watch football at all? He's slow for a RB! He's not slow for a Car salesmen. He's a power back who needs clear holes to burst thru and couldn't elude me trying to tackle him. And yes there are reasons certain players get drafted in certain rounds. They don't magically pick these names out of hats. When the most productive RB in the country gets selected in round 4, there are serious warts to his game. So u get a clue please. An NFL coach was praising 1 of his players??? Ya don't say.

Weaknesses

Much of his production is blocked for him -- produced many runs of 20-plus yards untouched. Is not dynamic or creative and makes few tacklers miss. Can do a better job selling routes and settling into soft spots in zones. Minimal receiving production -- 10 career catches.

Cons

Speed is average at best

One-dimensional runner; power only

Won't be able to reach the corner at the next level

Offers nothing as a receiver; 60 yards in four years

Inexperienced in pass protection

Likely only a situation power back; not a three down guy

 
Get a clue he says. Lol. Do u watch football at all? He's slow for a RB! He's not slow for a Car salesmen. He's a power back who needs clear holes to burst thru and couldn't elude me trying to tackle him. And yes there are reasons certain players get drafted in certain rounds. They don't magically pick these names out of hats. When the most productive RB in the country gets selected in round 4, there are serious warts to his game. So u get a clue please. An NFL coach was praising 1 of his players??? Ya don't say.

Weaknesses

Much of his production is blocked for him -- produced many runs of 20-plus yards untouched. Is not dynamic or creative and makes few tacklers miss. Can do a better job selling routes and settling into soft spots in zones. Minimal receiving production -- 10 career catches.

Cons

Speed is average at best

One-dimensional runner; power only

Won't be able to reach the corner at the next level

Offers nothing as a receiver; 60 yards in four years

Inexperienced in pass protection

Likely only a situation power back; not a three down guy
You do realize Jennings was a 7th round draft pick at a time when RBs were valued in the draft ...Ok Just making sure

And you do realize that Andre Williams 40 time is faster than Jennings 40 time (when he was 23) he's almost 30 now ... I know you do

So

Why is everyone sleeping on Rashad Jennings?
 
He can catch a football pretty well. And block. Kind of need to excel at those things to be on the field. If you're high on Andre Will, Legarette Blount must be your favorite player.

 
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He can catch a football pretty well. And block. Kind of need to excel at those things to be on the field. If you're high on Andre Will, Legarette Blount must be your favorite player.
Not a fan ... but I have to admit he's had a lot more success in his career than Jennings

 
Lets just agree to disagree. U dont like Jennings on this team, I do. Lets see what happens.
I do like Jennings and I think he was a great pickup.

I just honestly think Wilson and Williams are unbelievably talented and exciting and they are going to be impossible to keep off the field.

Wilson's 1st Season highlights are possibly the greatest 1 season worth of highlights I've ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGbRZHcefD8

And Andre Williams highlights look far better than other other RB in the 2014 draft (makes Hyde's highlights look like a slow chubby kid) ... Reminds me a little of Earl Campbell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujt1S9P2XHE

 
Lets just agree to disagree. U dont like Jennings on this team, I do. Lets see what happens.
I do like Jennings and I think he was a great pickup.

I just honestly think Wilson and Williams are unbelievably talented and exciting and they are going to be impossible to keep off the field.

Wilson's 1st Season highlights are possibly the greatest 1 season worth of highlights I've ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGbRZHcefD8

And Andre Williams highlights look far better than other other RB in the 2014 draft (makes Hyde's highlights look like a slow chubby kid) ... Reminds me a little of Earl Campbell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujt1S9P2XHE
the greatest 1 season worth of highlights I've ever seen

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
I'm surprised that they're planning on using Andre Williams in short yardage, since he was actually really bad at converting those plays in college. He had a bad conversion rate on 3rd & 3 or less, a bad TD rate on carries in the red zone, and low yards after contact in traffic. His strengths were breaking the big runs, and breaking tackles in space once he had a head of steam. He was a boom or bust runner with a pretty low success rate - there were way too many plays where he just ran into a guy at the line of scrimmage, with a violent collision but a minimal gain after contact.

Here are the short yardage numbers for 2012-2013 for 11 RBs in this draft class, with data from cfbstats. They're sorted by 3rd & short success rate, which equals first downs + TDs / attempts on 3rd down with 1-3 yards to go. (cfbstats counts goal-to-go TDs as a TD but not a first down, while longer TDs count as both a TD and first down; I've decided to double-count some TDs instead of leaving them all out.) I've also included a column with the red zone success rate (TDs/attempts).

3rd SR RZ Player (3rd FD+TD/att)
108% 24% Jeremy Hill (14/13)
90% 31% Tre Mason (35/39)
87% 28% Bishop Sankey (41/47)
85% 27% Storm Johnson (11/13)
84% 26% Ka'Deem Carey (42/50)
79% 33% Devonta Freeman (11/14)
75% 41% Carlos Hyde (21/28)
72% 32% James White (18/25)
68% 24% Charles Sims (15/22)
54% 36% Lache Seastrunk (7/13)
50% 13% Andre Williams (16/32)

 
Lets just agree to disagree. U dont like Jennings on this team, I do. Lets see what happens.
I do like Jennings and I think he was a great pickup.

I just honestly think Wilson and Williams are unbelievably talented and exciting and they are going to be impossible to keep off the field.

Wilson's 1st Season highlights are possibly the greatest 1 season worth of highlights I've ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGbRZHcefD8

And Andre Williams highlights look far better than other other RB in the 2014 draft (makes Hyde's highlights look like a slow chubby kid) ... Reminds me a little of Earl Campbell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujt1S9P2XHE
the greatest 1 season worth of highlights I've ever seen

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
take out the returns and it becomes a really short video.

 
Lets just agree to disagree. U dont like Jennings on this team, I do. Lets see what happens.
I do like Jennings and I think he was a great pickup.

I just honestly think Wilson and Williams are unbelievably talented and exciting and they are going to be impossible to keep off the field.

Wilson's 1st Season highlights are possibly the greatest 1 season worth of highlights I've ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGbRZHcefD8

And Andre Williams highlights look far better than other other RB in the 2014 draft (makes Hyde's highlights look like a slow chubby kid) ... Reminds me a little of Earl Campbell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujt1S9P2XHE
the greatest 1 season worth of highlights I've ever seen

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
take out the returns and it becomes a really short video.
I don't think the return at 1:30 is even him. Seriously.

 
Rashad Jennings - RB - Giants
Rashad Jennings is listed as the No. 1 running back on the Giants' unofficial depth chart.
David Wilson is No. 2, Peyton Hillis is No. 3 and fourth-round rookie Andre Williams is No. 4. It's as expected, though Williams has already gotten first-team reps with the goal-line offense. Hillis' roster spot is in grave danger. Jennings' No. 1 position is legitimate, but it would be surprising if the Giants ultimately didn't go with a committee.
Related: Peyton Hillis, Andre Williams, David Wilson

Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter
Jul 24 - 1:19 PM

 
• Rookie running back Andre Williams didn't look good catching the ball. This was a concern coming into camp. During a pass-catching drill, the B.C. product completely missed a swing pass out near the right sideline. It appeared he picked up the ball, which was thrown with good pace, rather late.

In 11-on-11 drills, Williams dropped an easy screen pass on his first practice rep of the day. Later he caught a pass with his facemask. Williams still has some work to do here in training camp. He wasn't much of a pass-catcher in high school or at Boston College. He'll need to improve in order to be a major factor in this offense.
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/07/giants_training_camp_practice_report_day_4_eli_manning_looks_sharp_in_new_offense.html

 
Well the Rashad Jennings stock is about to reach an all-time high after David Wilson left practice with a stinger

 
Well the Rashad Jennings stock is about to reach an all-time high after David Wilson left practice with a stinger
As a Giants fan, terrible news. As the one who started this thread only to be bashed profusely by the Wilson Pom Pom Squad....well, why is everyone sleeping Rashad Jennings?

 
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Well the Rashad Jennings stock is about to reach an all-time high after David Wilson left practice with a stinger
As a Giants fan, terrible news. As the one who started this thread only to be bashed profusely by the Wilson Pom Pom Squad....well, why is everyone sleeping Rashad Jennings?
Congratulations on predicting an injury?
I didn't predict any injury. But people in this thread were already giving the starting job away to Wilson, and yes they were....go read the posts. The guy is coming off a serious injury, not to mention the Giants brass has come out and publicly said they envision Wilson as a change of pace back this season. Who knows now, he could be out the season, the neck/back is not something to mess around with.

 
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Am I the only one who giggles every time I read the title of this?
You're spot on. Marginally talented rb's in great situations have never produced in fantasy football.
:lmao: at "great situation" -- NY ranked 27th in rushes, 29th in rushing yards, 21st in rushing TDs, and 30th in YPC last year. Looks ripe for monster FF production to me...
Are you aware that they changed offensive coordinators? Are you aware of what kind of offense he's employing. Are u aware that Gilbride refused to run a screen play in the 9 yrs he was in NY for?

Here's a lil info you about Macadoo's offense and the new look they'll be employing....Its a new year by the way...

Early indications point to the Giants implementing an offense very similar to the west coast offense that the Packers ran. According to beat writer Jordan Raanan, the offense features “a ton of screen passes, quick-timing horizontal pass patterns, and three-step drops.” This style is designed to get the skill position players the ball in space so that they can make plays after the catch. According to beat writer Dan Graziano, a personnel evaluator familiar with McAdoo predicted what he thinks we will see. “McAdoo will give them different concepts in the passing game — shorter passes to supplement the running game and more midrange routes to move the chains,” said the inside personnel evaluator.

Of course, this is very different from Kevin Gilbride’s offense that featured a lot of deep shots and expected its receivers to make plays down the field. In the running game, Rashad Jennings told Bleacher Report that McAdoo’s offense features a variety of stretch, zone, and power running plays. This is also a change from Gilbride’s offense that featured mostly power blocking plays in the run game.

 
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Well the Rashad Jennings stock is about to reach an all-time high after David Wilson left practice with a stinger
As a Giants fan, terrible news. As the one who started this thread only to be bashed profusely by the Wilson Pom Pom Squad....well, why is everyone sleeping Rashad Jennings?
Congratulations on predicting an injury?
I didn't predict any injury. But people in this thread were already giving the starting job away to Wilson, and yes they were....go read the posts. The guy is coming off a serious injury, not to mention the Giants brass has come out and publicly said they envision Wilson as a change of pace back this season. Who knows now, he could be out the season, the neck/back is not something to mess around with.
If it's his neck ... The doctors who cleared him should not be allowed to practice anymore

 
Am I the only one who giggles every time I read the title of this?
You're spot on. Marginally talented rb's in great situations have never produced in fantasy football.
:lmao: at "great situation" -- NY ranked 27th in rushes, 29th in rushing yards, 21st in rushing TDs, and 30th in YPC last year. Looks ripe for monster FF production to me...
Are you aware that they changed offensive coordinators? Are you aware of what kind of offense he's employing. Are u aware that Gilbride refused to run a screen play in the 9 yrs he was in NY for?

Here's a lil info you about Macadoo's offense and the new look they'll be employing....Its a new year by the way...

Early indications point to the Giants implementing an offense very similar to the west coast offense that the Packers ran. According to beat writer Jordan Raanan, the offense features a ton of screen passes, quick-timing horizontal pass patterns, and three-step drops. This style is designed to get the skill position players the ball in space so that they can make plays after the catch. According to beat writer Dan Graziano, a personnel evaluator familiar with McAdoo predicted what he thinks we will see. McAdoo will give them different concepts in the passing game shorter passes to supplement the running game and more midrange routes to move the chains, said the inside personnel evaluator.

Of course, this is very different from Kevin Gilbrides offense that featured a lot of deep shots and expected its receivers to make plays down the field. In the running game, Rashad Jennings told Bleacher Report that McAdoos offense features a variety of stretch, zone, and power running plays. This is also a change from Gilbrides offense that featured mostly power blocking plays in the run game.
Wow. I never knew that bringing in a rookie offensive coordinator was enough to take a rushing offense from bottom few in the NFL all the way up to "great." And here I was thinking that team talent and strength of the offensive line had something to do with it. Someone should send out a memo to the other struggling teams in the NFL.

 
Am I the only one who giggles every time I read the title of this?
You're spot on. Marginally talented rb's in great situations have never produced in fantasy football.
:lmao: at "great situation" -- NY ranked 27th in rushes, 29th in rushing yards, 21st in rushing TDs, and 30th in YPC last year. Looks ripe for monster FF production to me...
Are you aware that they changed offensive coordinators? Are you aware of what kind of offense he's employing. Are u aware that Gilbride refused to run a screen play in the 9 yrs he was in NY for?

Here's a lil info you about Macadoo's offense and the new look they'll be employing....Its a new year by the way...

Early indications point to the Giants implementing an offense very similar to the west coast offense that the Packers ran. According to beat writer Jordan Raanan, the offense features a ton of screen passes, quick-timing horizontal pass patterns, and three-step drops. This style is designed to get the skill position players the ball in space so that they can make plays after the catch. According to beat writer Dan Graziano, a personnel evaluator familiar with McAdoo predicted what he thinks we will see. McAdoo will give them different concepts in the passing game shorter passes to supplement the running game and more midrange routes to move the chains, said the inside personnel evaluator.

Of course, this is very different from Kevin Gilbrides offense that featured a lot of deep shots and expected its receivers to make plays down the field. In the running game, Rashad Jennings told Bleacher Report that McAdoos offense features a variety of stretch, zone, and power running plays. This is also a change from Gilbrides offense that featured mostly power blocking plays in the run game.
Wow. I never knew that bringing in a rookie offensive coordinator was enough to take a rushing offense from bottom few in the NFL all the way up to "great." And here I was thinking that team talent and strength of the offensive line had something to do with it. Someone should send out a memo to the other struggling teams in the NFL.
You mean like the entire Oakland offense that was ranked near the bottom as well? With that Oak offensive line who ranked probably as the worst offensive line in football. So that team with the worst offensive line in football and equally bad QB and equally bad overall offense, magically had some RB who totaled near 800 yds with 6 td's in 8 games. How did that happen, such a bad offensive unit. And who was that back? hmm. Wait, so you can still have a productive 'fantasy' player in a bad overall offense? I think MJD would agree with that sentiment as well haha, get a clue man. You sound foolish. This is all about fantasy football. If u don't see this as a great situation for Jennings, you're just lost.

 
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Am I the only one who giggles every time I read the title of this?
You're spot on. Marginally talented rb's in great situations have never produced in fantasy football.
:lmao: at "great situation" -- NY ranked 27th in rushes, 29th in rushing yards, 21st in rushing TDs, and 30th in YPC last year. Looks ripe for monster FF production to me...
Are you aware that they changed offensive coordinators? Are you aware of what kind of offense he's employing. Are u aware that Gilbride refused to run a screen play in the 9 yrs he was in NY for?

Here's a lil info you about Macadoo's offense and the new look they'll be employing....Its a new year by the way...

Early indications point to the Giants implementing an offense very similar to the west coast offense that the Packers ran. According to beat writer Jordan Raanan, the offense features a ton of screen passes, quick-timing horizontal pass patterns, and three-step drops. This style is designed to get the skill position players the ball in space so that they can make plays after the catch. According to beat writer Dan Graziano, a personnel evaluator familiar with McAdoo predicted what he thinks we will see. McAdoo will give them different concepts in the passing game shorter passes to supplement the running game and more midrange routes to move the chains, said the inside personnel evaluator.

Of course, this is very different from Kevin Gilbrides offense that featured a lot of deep shots and expected its receivers to make plays down the field. In the running game, Rashad Jennings told Bleacher Report that McAdoos offense features a variety of stretch, zone, and power running plays. This is also a change from Gilbrides offense that featured mostly power blocking plays in the run game.
Wow. I never knew that bringing in a rookie offensive coordinator was enough to take a rushing offense from bottom few in the NFL all the way up to "great." And here I was thinking that team talent and strength of the offensive line had something to do with it. Someone should send out a memo to the other struggling teams in the NFL.
You mean like the entire Oakland offense that was ranked near the bottom as well? With that Oak offensive line who ranked probably as the worst offensive line in football. So that team with the worst offensive line in football and equally bad QB and equally bad overall offense, magically had some RB who totaled near 800 yds with 6 td's in 8 games. How did that happen, such a bad offensive unit. And who was that back? hmm. Wait, so you can still have a productive 'fantasy' player in a bad overall offense? I think MJD would agree with that sentiment as well haha, get a clue man. You sound foolish. This is all about fantasy football. If u don't see this as a great situation for Jennings, you're just lost.
Oakland ranked 12th in rushing yardage, 7th in rushing TDs, and 6th in YPC last year. It's not even remotely comparable to the Giants. And MJD was / is an elite RB, and not remotely comparable to Rashad Jennings period. If Jennings holds on to enough of the work, he might compile his way to matching his ADP, despite the crappy situation he's in. Saying the Giants' RB spot is "great" is just absurd.

 
You just before cited tbe offensive line as being 1 of the main factors in a RB situation/performance. You then just cited the Oakland rushing attack as being a solid performer, evidenced by your stats. Oakland had the worst O line in football last year lol. Will you make up your mind already? Or would u like to talk in more circles?

 
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Am I the only one who giggles every time I read the title of this?
You're spot on. Marginally talented rb's in great situations have never produced in fantasy football.
:lmao: at "great situation" -- NY ranked 27th in rushes, 29th in rushing yards, 21st in rushing TDs, and 30th in YPC last year. Looks ripe for monster FF production to me...
Are you aware that they changed offensive coordinators? Are you aware of what kind of offense he's employing. Are u aware that Gilbride refused to run a screen play in the 9 yrs he was in NY for?

Here's a lil info you about Macadoo's offense and the new look they'll be employing....Its a new year by the way...

Early indications point to the Giants implementing an offense very similar to the west coast offense that the Packers ran. According to beat writer Jordan Raanan, the offense features “a ton of screen passes, quick-timing horizontal pass patterns, and three-step drops.” This style is designed to get the skill position players the ball in space so that they can make plays after the catch. According to beat writer Dan Graziano, a personnel evaluator familiar with McAdoo predicted what he thinks we will see. “McAdoo will give them different concepts in the passing game — shorter passes to supplement the running game and more midrange routes to move the chains,” said the inside personnel evaluator.

Of course, this is very different from Kevin Gilbride’s offense that featured a lot of deep shots and expected its receivers to make plays down the field. In the running game, Rashad Jennings told Bleacher Report that McAdoo’s offense features a variety of stretch, zone, and power running plays. This is also a change from Gilbride’s offense that featured mostly power blocking plays in the run game.
I am not sure holding up Green Bay's offense as a bastion for RB production really holds up to scrutiny. Coughlin has a much better track record with high end RB production than anything Green Bay has done in McAdoo's tenure there. Until Eddie Lacy they maybe had three seasons by a single RB that could be considered good and, again until Lacy, the most TDs a GB RB scored was 9, typically they score closer to 5-7 TDs. Since he was the TE & QB coach I don't put that on him but still.

Coughlin OTOH had five seasons in Jacksonville, out of eight total, with a single RB scoring 10 or more TDs and two seasons where two RBs scored 8 or 9 TDs (1 scored 8 and 3 scored 9).

In NY he has had a RB in double digit TDs four times (10 seasons) and one with a RB scoring 8 and another 9.

IMO McAdoo's presence bodes better for Eli than the RBs and Coughlin is why you should like Jennings.

 
Am I the only one who giggles every time I read the title of this?
You're spot on. Marginally talented rb's in great situations have never produced in fantasy football.
:lmao: at "great situation" -- NY ranked 27th in rushes, 29th in rushing yards, 21st in rushing TDs, and 30th in YPC last year. Looks ripe for monster FF production to me...
Are you aware that they changed offensive coordinators? Are you aware of what kind of offense he's employing. Are u aware that Gilbride refused to run a screen play in the 9 yrs he was in NY for?

Here's a lil info you about Macadoo's offense and the new look they'll be employing....Its a new year by the way...

Early indications point to the Giants implementing an offense very similar to the west coast offense that the Packers ran. According to beat writer Jordan Raanan, the offense features a ton of screen passes, quick-timing horizontal pass patterns, and three-step drops. This style is designed to get the skill position players the ball in space so that they can make plays after the catch. According to beat writer Dan Graziano, a personnel evaluator familiar with McAdoo predicted what he thinks we will see. McAdoo will give them different concepts in the passing game shorter passes to supplement the running game and more midrange routes to move the chains, said the inside personnel evaluator.

Of course, this is very different from Kevin Gilbrides offense that featured a lot of deep shots and expected its receivers to make plays down the field. In the running game, Rashad Jennings told Bleacher Report that McAdoos offense features a variety of stretch, zone, and power running plays. This is also a change from Gilbrides offense that featured mostly power blocking plays in the run game.
Wow. I never knew that bringing in a rookie offensive coordinator was enough to take a rushing offense from bottom few in the NFL all the way up to "great." And here I was thinking that team talent and strength of the offensive line had something to do with it. Someone should send out a memo to the other struggling teams in the NFL.
In 18 years as a HC Coughlin has fielded a bottom 10 rushing yardage offense only 3 times. He has had a top 10 rushing offense 9 times.

He has fielded a bottom 10 rush TD offense 1 time (23rd in 1995 his first season in Jacksonville) and a top 8 rush TD offense 12 times (top 5, 6 times).

Coughlin RBs are deservedly given the benefit of the doubt even after a down year.

 
Am I the only one who giggles every time I read the title of this?
You're spot on. Marginally talented rb's in great situations have never produced in fantasy football.
:lmao: at "great situation" -- NY ranked 27th in rushes, 29th in rushing yards, 21st in rushing TDs, and 30th in YPC last year. Looks ripe for monster FF production to me...
Are you aware that they changed offensive coordinators? Are you aware of what kind of offense he's employing. Are u aware that Gilbride refused to run a screen play in the 9 yrs he was in NY for?

Here's a lil info you about Macadoo's offense and the new look they'll be employing....Its a new year by the way...

Early indications point to the Giants implementing an offense very similar to the west coast offense that the Packers ran. According to beat writer Jordan Raanan, the offense features a ton of screen passes, quick-timing horizontal pass patterns, and three-step drops. This style is designed to get the skill position players the ball in space so that they can make plays after the catch. According to beat writer Dan Graziano, a personnel evaluator familiar with McAdoo predicted what he thinks we will see. McAdoo will give them different concepts in the passing game shorter passes to supplement the running game and more midrange routes to move the chains, said the inside personnel evaluator.

Of course, this is very different from Kevin Gilbrides offense that featured a lot of deep shots and expected its receivers to make plays down the field. In the running game, Rashad Jennings told Bleacher Report that McAdoos offense features a variety of stretch, zone, and power running plays. This is also a change from Gilbrides offense that featured mostly power blocking plays in the run game.
Wow. I never knew that bringing in a rookie offensive coordinator was enough to take a rushing offense from bottom few in the NFL all the way up to "great." And here I was thinking that team talent and strength of the offensive line had something to do with it. Someone should send out a memo to the other struggling teams in the NFL.
You mean like the entire Oakland offense that was ranked near the bottom as well? With that Oak offensive line who ranked probably as the worst offensive line in football. So that team with the worst offensive line in football and equally bad QB and equally bad overall offense, magically had some RB who totaled near 800 yds with 6 td's in 8 games. How did that happen, such a bad offensive unit. And who was that back? hmm. Wait, so you can still have a productive 'fantasy' player in a bad overall offense? I think MJD would agree with that sentiment as well haha, get a clue man. You sound foolish. This is all about fantasy football. If u don't see this as a great situation for Jennings, you're just lost.
Oakland ranked 12th in rushing yardage, 7th in rushing TDs, and 6th in YPC last year. It's not even remotely comparable to the Giants. And MJD was / is an elite RB, and not remotely comparable to Rashad Jennings period. If Jennings holds on to enough of the work, he might compile his way to matching his ADP, despite the crappy situation he's in. Saying the Giants' RB spot is "great" is just absurd.
To be fair Oak's numbers are skewed because Pryor had 580 yards at over 7 yards per carry.

 
Am I the only one who giggles every time I read the title of this?
You're spot on. Marginally talented rb's in great situations have never produced in fantasy football.
:lmao: at "great situation" -- NY ranked 27th in rushes, 29th in rushing yards, 21st in rushing TDs, and 30th in YPC last year. Looks ripe for monster FF production to me...
Are you aware that they changed offensive coordinators? Are you aware of what kind of offense he's employing. Are u aware that Gilbride refused to run a screen play in the 9 yrs he was in NY for?

Here's a lil info you about Macadoo's offense and the new look they'll be employing....Its a new year by the way...

Early indications point to the Giants implementing an offense very similar to the west coast offense that the Packers ran. According to beat writer Jordan Raanan, the offense features a ton of screen passes, quick-timing horizontal pass patterns, and three-step drops. This style is designed to get the skill position players the ball in space so that they can make plays after the catch. According to beat writer Dan Graziano, a personnel evaluator familiar with McAdoo predicted what he thinks we will see. McAdoo will give them different concepts in the passing game shorter passes to supplement the running game and more midrange routes to move the chains, said the inside personnel evaluator.

Of course, this is very different from Kevin Gilbrides offense that featured a lot of deep shots and expected its receivers to make plays down the field. In the running game, Rashad Jennings told Bleacher Report that McAdoos offense features a variety of stretch, zone, and power running plays. This is also a change from Gilbrides offense that featured mostly power blocking plays in the run game.
Wow. I never knew that bringing in a rookie offensive coordinator was enough to take a rushing offense from bottom few in the NFL all the way up to "great." And here I was thinking that team talent and strength of the offensive line had something to do with it. Someone should send out a memo to the other struggling teams in the NFL.
You mean like the entire Oakland offense that was ranked near the bottom as well? With that Oak offensive line who ranked probably as the worst offensive line in football. So that team with the worst offensive line in football and equally bad QB and equally bad overall offense, magically had some RB who totaled near 800 yds with 6 td's in 8 games. How did that happen, such a bad offensive unit. And who was that back? hmm. Wait, so you can still have a productive 'fantasy' player in a bad overall offense? I think MJD would agree with that sentiment as well haha, get a clue man. You sound foolish. This is all about fantasy football. If u don't see this as a great situation for Jennings, you're just lost.
Oakland ranked 12th in rushing yardage, 7th in rushing TDs, and 6th in YPC last year. It's not even remotely comparable to the Giants. And MJD was / is an elite RB, and not remotely comparable to Rashad Jennings period. If Jennings holds on to enough of the work, he might compile his way to matching his ADP, despite the crappy situation he's in. Saying the Giants' RB spot is "great" is just absurd.
To be fair Oak's numbers are skewed because Pryor had 580 yards at over 7 yards per carry.
Good point -- I should have thought to check that. But I'll stand on running behind a crap line with Wilson (at the time he made the statement, anyway) and Williams in the mix for touches =/= "great" situation.

 
Williams if Wilson was healthy might have been inactive in the beginning of the season (according to nyg beat writers) ya dunce. And how many bellcow RB's are there in the NFL? 5, 6?? That determines a great situation then? I feel bad for those 25 RB's starting on other NFL teams. The lead back in the NYG offense is ALWAYS a solid fantasy contributor. At least under Coughlin it is. Even the pedestrian Andre Brown was when starting last yr. It is a great situation for Jennings whether u can see that or not, well that's irrelevant really.

 
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Williams if Wilson was healthy might have been inactive in the beginning of the season (according to nyg beat writers) ya dunce. And how many bellcow RB's are there in the NFL? 5, 6?? That determines a great situation then? I feel bad for those 25 RB's starting on other NFL teams. The lead back in the NYG offense is ALWAYS a solid fantasy contributor. At least under Coughlin it is. Even the pedestrian Andre Brown was when starting last yr. It is a great situation for Jennings whether u can see that or not, well that's irrelevant really.
Andre Brown was not solid last year ... He averaged 62 yards a game and .375 tds per game ... he had as many fumbles 3 as tds

 
Williams if Wilson was healthy might have been inactive in the beginning of the season (according to nyg beat writers) ya dunce. And how many bellcow RB's are there in the NFL? 5, 6?? That determines a great situation then? I feel bad for those 25 RB's starting on other NFL teams. The lead back in the NYG offense is ALWAYS a solid fantasy contributor. At least under Coughlin it is. Even the pedestrian Andre Brown was when starting last yr. It is a great situation for Jennings whether u can see that or not, well that's irrelevant really.
Andre Brown was not solid last year ... He averaged 62 yards a game and .375 tds per game ... he had as many fumbles 3 as tds
He was better then his #'s indicated, he had 2 brutal games where he literally had no production.. in the remaining 6/8 games, he was a solid RB2 in PPR. (12 ppg)

 
• Rookie running back Andre Williams didn't look good catching the ball. This was a concern coming into camp. During a pass-catching drill, the B.C. product completely missed a swing pass out near the right sideline. It appeared he picked up the ball, which was thrown with good pace, rather late.

In 11-on-11 drills, Williams dropped an easy screen pass on his first practice rep of the day. Later he caught a pass with his facemask. Williams still has some work to do here in training camp. He wasn't much of a pass-catcher in high school or at Boston College. He'll need to improve in order to be a major factor in this offense.
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/07/giants_training_camp_practice_report_day_4_eli_manning_looks_sharp_in_new_offense.html
I like Williams but watching him in the pass catching drills at the combine was painful.

Remember that the Giants are implementing a new west coast type offense - so pass blocking and pass catching are going to be vital from the running backs. I do think that Williams' pass blocking was considered a strength in his pre-draft reports. He's as bad at catching the ball as any RB that has ever played though.

 
Da Gildz said:
monk said:
Williams if Wilson was healthy might have been inactive in the beginning of the season (according to nyg beat writers) ya dunce. And how many bellcow RB's are there in the NFL? 5, 6?? That determines a great situation then? I feel bad for those 25 RB's starting on other NFL teams. The lead back in the NYG offense is ALWAYS a solid fantasy contributor. At least under Coughlin it is. Even the pedestrian Andre Brown was when starting last yr. It is a great situation for Jennings whether u can see that or not, well that's irrelevant really.
Andre Brown was not solid last year ... He averaged 62 yards a game and .375 tds per game ... he had as many fumbles 3 as tds
He was better then his #'s indicated, he had 2 brutal games where he literally had no production.. in the remaining 6/8 games, he was a solid RB2 in PPR. (12 ppg)
What is this opposite day? He 2 good games and the rest sucked

 
I like Williams to take the starting job by 2015 at the latest. BC didn't have much of a passing game so Ds simply loaded up on the run. What he did last year under those circumstances was amazing.

Williams is going to surprise a lot of people. He's a beast. Williams has also improved his pass-catching by working with a sports psychologist. He's got Williams catching ping pong balls, juggling, & doing other non-conventional drills. It's helped tremendously. The main thing, though, is he can pass block.

 
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Da Gildz said:
monk said:
Williams if Wilson was healthy might have been inactive in the beginning of the season (according to nyg beat writers) ya dunce. And how many bellcow RB's are there in the NFL? 5, 6?? That determines a great situation then? I feel bad for those 25 RB's starting on other NFL teams. The lead back in the NYG offense is ALWAYS a solid fantasy contributor. At least under Coughlin it is. Even the pedestrian Andre Brown was when starting last yr. It is a great situation for Jennings whether u can see that or not, well that's irrelevant really.
Andre Brown was not solid last year ... He averaged 62 yards a game and .375 tds per game ... he had as many fumbles 3 as tds
He was better then his #'s indicated, he had 2 brutal games where he literally had no production.. in the remaining 6/8 games, he was a solid RB2 in PPR. (12 ppg)
What is this opposite day? He 2 good games and the rest sucked
He had nearly 600 total yds and 20 rec's in 8 games. That's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be. If games of 90+ total yds with 3 rec/game sucks, then what can I tell ya. Weren't u the guy waxing poetic over "hands of stone" Andre Will? lol

 
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You're really not helping your cause Gildz.

Brown was good for a few games a couple seasons ago and was mostly forgettable last season as the entire Giants offense struggled horribly.

Stick with the mantra of "Trust Coughlin's RBs" and no one will be able to argue against Jennings opportunity this season. Whether or not he seizes that opportunity is another story.

 
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• Rookie running back Andre Williams didn't look good catching the ball. This was a concern coming into camp. During a pass-catching drill, the B.C. product completely missed a swing pass out near the right sideline. It appeared he picked up the ball, which was thrown with good pace, rather late.

In 11-on-11 drills, Williams dropped an easy screen pass on his first practice rep of the day. Later he caught a pass with his facemask. Williams still has some work to do here in training camp. He wasn't much of a pass-catcher in high school or at Boston College. He'll need to improve in order to be a major factor in this offense.
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/07/giants_training_camp_practice_report_day_4_eli_manning_looks_sharp_in_new_offense.html
I like Williams but watching him in the pass catching drills at the combine was painful.
how does he look catching ping pong balls?

 
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Dr. Octopus said:
• Rookie running back Andre Williams didn't look good catching the ball. This was a concern coming into camp. During a pass-catching drill, the B.C. product completely missed a swing pass out near the right sideline. It appeared he picked up the ball, which was thrown with good pace, rather late.

In 11-on-11 drills, Williams dropped an easy screen pass on his first practice rep of the day. Later he caught a pass with his facemask. Williams still has some work to do here in training camp. He wasn't much of a pass-catcher in high school or at Boston College. He'll need to improve in order to be a major factor in this offense.
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/07/giants_training_camp_practice_report_day_4_eli_manning_looks_sharp_in_new_offense.html
I like Williams but watching him in the pass catching drills at the combine was painful.
how does he look catching ping pong balls?
I'd imagine pretty foolish.

 
You're really not helping your cause Gildz.

Brown was good for a few games a couple seasons ago and was mostly forgettable last season as the entire Giants offense struggled horribly.

Stick with the mantra of "Trust Coughlin's RBs" and no one will be able to argue against Jennings opportunity this season. Whether or not he seizes that opportunity is another story.
fair points..it just really depends on Jennings seizing the day..Wilson isnt going to challenge him , todays news cant be good..He's supposedly out till monday following evaluation by the Dr who performed the fusion.Williams will get a look by default..trusting Coughlin's RBs takes on a new meaning now in that one slip from Jennings, a RB who has never proven to be durable in his own right, could mean Williams is a 20+carry/gm RB..how long till the Dr's recommend retirement for Wilson?

 

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