Why is Malik Nabers Ranked So High.... (1 Viewer)

[Stinkin Ref]

in the sprit of the FBG staff recent articles about "why is so and so ranked so high"....thought I might throw this one out there and see if we gat any SP feedback and if lucky....maybe a little FBG staff feedback....cause this one IMO is in the same area code every week as their Lamb thread....

week after week Nabers basically ranked as a must start (top whatever...please check my math if necessary) ....like you are stupid if you don't start him....since week seven in a basic PPR league he has been WR 31 give or take....yet he is constantly ranked by FBG in the smash start zone...basically as WR1...like right now.....he is still WR8 heading into this week.....was about the same IIRC with Cutlets....

guess I would like some more insight from the FBG rankers why they think this guy is going to have a top 10 week....."all things considered"....NYG kind of in a tailspin....is it squeaky wheel?...what is it...implied total doesn't expect a huge NYG game here...

bottom line...he has kinda of been killing us with his smash start status....would like a little more dialogue with the justifications for being so high....feels like a "we have to rank him that high so we don't miss that one week coming up here when he actually does produce like a smash start".....we kind of want to know if you are just dismissing the dysfunction going on there now...

SP...own a bunch of him....but IMO he is in no way "smash start" status anymore like FBG rankings lead you to believe...

comments in the rankings like "monitor status" for other players, etc...don't do us a ton of good....obviously (especially if you are paying for a subscription)....we are already monitoring their status....be nice to have a little more specific comments in the rankings section other then trying to sniff through some articles to get a little nugget...like right now is there a place we can see a breakdown of staff opinions on what is going on in NYG and specifically with their highest ranked fantasy player in Nabers...

what say you SP...and you @Joe Bryant...and staff...

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

If Lock plays I'll roll the dice just because, if not, I'm considering some WR 3/4/5s in his place this week. The squeaky wheel gets the grease is the thinking here, I'm sure, but Nabers is in the most awful situation imaginable for a WR of his talent. Unimaginative vanilla offense being led by bottom of the barrel QBs. Yuck. More group think keeps Nabers in the top 10 weekly rankings.

 

[Loris]

In the last 2 months his highest score in a NON-PPR league is 7.1

 

[Schmeabs]

In the last 2 months his highest score in a NON-PPR league is 7.1

Hardly anyone plays non ppr

 

[dkp993]

My opinion is because he passes the eye test (he is an absolute STUD) and if they (the Giants) just throw him the ball it pays off. Last week is a perfect example. I’m guessing the belief is the Giants will get back to the way it was for this first few games and give him heavy targets.

 

[Soulfly3]

His #1 fan over here, but nah... this aint the week, imo

 

[Runkle]

Yeah but you probably can't bench him though. I think in this spot he's in that WR3/FLEX zone where most rosters don't have 3-4 better options to play in that spot anyway. You don't want to rely on him but you are probably starting him and crossing your fingers. He could realistically get 3 catches for 60 yards, but absolutely there's a crazy upside rare chance he goes wild and catches 9 for 145 and 2 TDs. What other player can you put in that spot with the range upside? It's worth taking the chance playing him over a guy who'll more reliably get you 9-10 points because if Nabers only does get a 7.5, it's not like he's going to kill your week with it, and the few rare times he goes wild he'll absolutely win your week. Right now feels like he's in that Davante Adams-kinda place where all ranges of outcome are believable. No matter what he does, people will say "well of course he did".

 

[Joe Bryant]

For us, it's opportunity. He's been a target monster and we think that will continue. Not to speak for the projectors, but WR8 is pretty conservative for him. He's WR10 for the season in Points Per Game https://www.footballguys.com/player...&pos=wr&yr=2024&sortby=21&startwk=1&stopwk=18

He's incredibly talented and still so young. Lots of upside. Yes, his QB situation is not ideal but as we talked about with CeeDee Lamb and Cooper Rush, sometimes a backup QB can lean on the best weapon. And that's Nabers.

On this one, ranking Nabers in that 8-13 range seems pretty much in consensus with what I see from other sites.

As far as calling him a "smash start", we don't have any designations like that. We just project the players based on what we think they'll do.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Hopefully the squeaky wheel makes it a reality.

 

[VikingFrog]

In the last 2 months his highest score in a NON-PPR league is 7.1

Hardly anyone plays non ppr

I play Non-PPR.

 

[BassNBrew]

Yeah but you probably can't bench him though. I think in this spot he's in that WR3/FLEX zone where most rosters don't have 3-4 better options to play in that spot anyway. You don't want to rely on him but you are probably starting him and crossing your fingers. He could realistically get 3 catches for 60 yards, but absolutely there's a crazy upside rare chance he goes wild and catches 9 for 145 and 2 TDs. What other player can you put in that spot with the range upside? It's worth taking the chance playing him over a guy who'll more reliably get you 9-10 points because if Nabers only does get a 7.5, it's not like he's going to kill your week with it, and the few rare times he goes wild he'll absolutely win your week. Right now feels like he's in that Davante Adams-kinda place where all ranges of outcome are believable. No matter what he does, people will say "well of course he did".

Here are Refs WRs and their ppg over the last month (5 games to cover a bye)

Nabers - 13.1 #33
Harrison - 13.2 #31
Nuka - 17.0 #9
Jennings - 16.8 #11
jameson - 14.2 #22
JSN - 22.9 #3

He's bleeding away the season starting Nabers every week who's his 6th best WR at the moment cost him wins week after week. Nabers averaged 11.1 the month before this so it's not a recent trend. He makes a good point about people not adjusting to reality.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Riding the pine in two of my leagues. Shakir and Jameson Williams.


In over Ridley (questionable) in another.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

In the last 2 months his highest score in a NON-PPR league is 7.1

Hardly anyone plays non ppr

I play Non-PPR.

I only play non-PPR. Getting a point for a 0 to negative yard catch is dumb.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

 

[doeseatplace]

Averages 11.4 targets per game?

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Averages 11.4 targets per game?

10 yards per reception. Average depth of target 10 yards. 6.5 yards per target. Career long reception of 39 yards. 3 TDs. The Giants simply refuse to take advantage of his elite skillset beyond the sticks because they are an unimaginative vanilla offense on a team that's completely given up.

 

[jobarules]

I laugh everytime I see him ranked as a WR1 on fantasy sites

 

[BassNBrew]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

 

[tommyGunZ]

After Nabers voiced frustration after last game, I think he will get force fed this week like a boss.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Not to speak for the projectors, but WR8 is pretty conservative for him. He's WR10 for the season in Points Per Game https://www.footballguys.com/player...&pos=wr&yr=2024&sortby=21&startwk=1&stopwk=18

He's incredibly talented and still so young. Lots of upside. Yes, his QB situation is not ideal but as we talked about with CeeDee Lamb and Cooper Rush, sometimes a backup QB can lean on the best weapon. And that's Nabers.

On this one, ranking Nabers in that 8-13 range seems pretty much in consensus with what I see from other sites.

As far as calling him a "smash start", we don't have any designations like that. We just project the players based on what we think they'll do.

with a 12 team league being a baseline.....anyone in the top 15 is basically a smash start....thats kind of the point.....FBG has consistently had him there basically all year....he is continually being ranked as WR1 (high WR2 at the lowest).....yet the reality is he more of a WR3.......

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Not to speak for the projectors, but WR8 is pretty conservative for him. He's WR10 for the season in Points Per Game https://www.footballguys.com/player...&pos=wr&yr=2024&sortby=21&startwk=1&stopwk=18

I don't really have a dog in the fight, but I will note that 2/3 of his season points came during the first 4 weeks, so I don't know that saying he is WR10 in PPG is so relevant at this point and it seems like his expected PPG going forwarded needs to be below WR10.

 

[Loris]

In the last 2 months his highest score in a NON-PPR league is 7.1

Hardly anyone plays non ppr

Had to LOL at this...

 

[oddsbodkins]

Lock is starting and Nabers gonna get fed and show out on the national stage! LFG

 

[Schmeabs]

Lock is starting and Nabers gonna get fed and show out on the national stage! LFG

I hope you are right but it is Drew freaking Lock

 

[oddsbodkins]

Lock is starting and Nabers gonna get fed and show out on the national stage! LFG

I hope you are right but it is Drew freaking Lock

Squeaky wheel syndrome and Dallas stinks too. Think it’s time for him to re-emerge.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

Giants need to feed him to keep the fans somewhat interested and not revolt. Now do I start him over Pickens and/or Sutton?

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I laugh everytime I see him ranked as a WR1 on fantasy sites

Fantasy sites are about as imaginative as Daboll's offense.

 

[jm192]

Fantasypros has him at WR10. Another popular fantasy website has him at WR9. I don't think FBG is being wild or anything here.

Lock is an upgrade to Devito. Squeaky wheel. The Giants are missing both of their starting tackles, and while that bodes poorly for Lock's protection, I don't envision the Giants just grinding out a win with the run. I expect Dallas's defense to have a big day and force turnovers and maybe even generate touchdowns. Giants will be throwing it a lot this game. Nabers is their best pass catcher.
I think it's fine.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

Maybe in the fantasy football prognostication industry, but not if you're an actual winner in the gambling sector of the industry. Reminds of of an old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not perfect, but you get the gist. I guess it all depends on what business you're in. Thinking outside the box wins you money but it won't get you on TV.

I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking this website or Joe with these comments, I just think these threads are dumb when all ratings across the entire internet are essentially the same. 1 vs 15? Who cares? 10 vs 25? Who cares? 10 vs 30? Yep...who cares?

 

[Godsbrother]

I have to pick 3 between Nabers, Evans, Pickens and McConkey. Currently I have Nabers as the odd man out.

I’ll probably regret it

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

After Nabers voiced frustration after last game, I think he will get force fed this week like a boss.

I want to believe this. I'm probably rolling the dice hoping Lock will look his way but I'm not feeling great about it when I remember Daboll is the head coach. This is the special kind of idiot that would keep the ball away from a player like Nabers, out of spite, because he got called out in front of the media.

 

[xenon]

Debating Nabers vs Ladd in PPR (to go w/ JJ and Kupp)
It's stressing me out ha ha
I need a W

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I have to pick 3 between Nabers, Evans, Pickens and McConkey. Currently I have Nabers as the odd man out.

I’ll probably regret it

Yeah, I think I'd lean that way as well. I'm considering Bateman, Vele and Bourne over Nabers. If I had Ladd, Nabers would have a seat on the bench, although Vele's MNF matchup against the Browns is quite tempting. I think I most fear a 9-3 slugfest in Dallas today.

 

[Schmeabs]

Some of the names you guys are considering playing over Nabers blows my mind

 

[oddsbodkins]

Playing him over J. Cook, Reek and BTJ

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

Maybe in the fantasy football prognostication industry, but not if you're an actual winner in the gambling sector of the industry. Reminds of of an old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not perfect, but you get the gist. I guess it all depends on what business you're in. Thinking outside the box wins you money but it won't get you on TV.

I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking this website or Joe with these comments, I just think these threads are dumb when all ratings across the entire internet are essentially the same. 1 vs 15? Who cares? 10 vs 25? Who cares? 10 vs 30? Yep...who cares?

I don't think threads like this are dumb when you are asking for the reasoning behind rankings....I think that is the one element all of us actually crave that we don't get much of.....tell me why you have Nabers ranked #8 this week when he has been performing more like #31 pretty consistently and the vibes in NYG suck right now....I'm not slamming on @Joe Bryant or the website either....just maybe asking for a little extra I guess....maybe that's too much to ask...

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

Maybe in the fantasy football prognostication industry, but not if you're an actual winner in the gambling sector of the industry. Reminds of of an old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not perfect, but you get the gist. I guess it all depends on what business you're in. Thinking outside the box wins you money but it won't get you on TV.

I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking this website or Joe with these comments, I just think these threads are dumb when all ratings across the entire internet are essentially the same. 1 vs 15? Who cares? 10 vs 25? Who cares? 10 vs 30? Yep...who cares?

I don't think threads like this are dumb when you are asking for the reasoning behind rankings....I think that is the one element all of us actually crave that we don't get much of.....tell me why you have Nabers ranked #8 this week when he has been performing more like #31 pretty consistently and the vibes in NYG suck right now....I'm not slamming on @Joe Bryant or the website either....just maybe asking for a little extra I guess....maybe that's too much to ask...

That's my point. The answer to your question is everyone has him high. That's always the answer. Everyone has him ranked high, or low, or somewhere in between. Rankings are never far off, regardless of where you look.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Not to speak for the projectors, but WR8 is pretty conservative for him. He's WR10 for the season in Points Per Game https://www.footballguys.com/player...&pos=wr&yr=2024&sortby=21&startwk=1&stopwk=18

He's incredibly talented and still so young. Lots of upside. Yes, his QB situation is not ideal but as we talked about with CeeDee Lamb and Cooper Rush, sometimes a backup QB can lean on the best weapon. And that's Nabers.

On this one, ranking Nabers in that 8-13 range seems pretty much in consensus with what I see from other sites.

As far as calling him a "smash start", we don't have any designations like that. We just project the players based on what we think they'll do.

with a 12 team league being a baseline.....anyone in the top 15 is basically a smash start....thats kind of the point.....FBG has consistently had him there basically all year....he is continually being ranked as WR1 (high WR2 at the lowest).....yet the reality is he more of a WR3.......

I don't understand what you mean "yet the reality is he more of a WR3......."

For the season this year, he's WR10 in points per game. https://www.footballguys.com/player...&pos=wr&yr=2024&sortby=21&startwk=1&stopwk=18

 

[Joe Bryant]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

Maybe in the fantasy football prognostication industry, but not if you're an actual winner in the gambling sector of the industry. Reminds of of an old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not perfect, but you get the gist. I guess it all depends on what business you're in. Thinking outside the box wins you money but it won't get you on TV.

I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking this website or Joe with these comments, I just think these threads are dumb when all ratings across the entire internet are essentially the same. 1 vs 15? Who cares? 10 vs 25? Who cares? 10 vs 30? Yep...who cares?

I don't think threads like this are dumb when you are asking for the reasoning behind rankings....I think that is the one element all of us actually crave that we don't get much of.....tell me why you have Nabers ranked #8 this week when he has been performing more like #31 pretty consistently and the vibes in NYG suck right now....I'm not slamming on @Joe Bryant or the website either....just maybe asking for a little extra I guess....maybe that's too much to ask...

That's my point. The answer to your question is everyone has him high. That's always the answer. Everyone has him ranked high, or low, or somewhere in between. Rankings are never far off, regardless of where you look.

Sometimes they are. We were higher on CeeDee Lambe last week than the consensus among other sites and got a lot of questions on it. That's why I did the thread.

But for Nabers, you're right, we're pretty much in line with what lots of other sites have him ranked this week at WR8. When he's been WR10 for the year in Points per Game.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

Maybe in the fantasy football prognostication industry, but not if you're an actual winner in the gambling sector of the industry. Reminds of of an old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not perfect, but you get the gist. I guess it all depends on what business you're in. Thinking outside the box wins you money but it won't get you on TV.

I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking this website or Joe with these comments, I just think these threads are dumb when all ratings across the entire internet are essentially the same. 1 vs 15? Who cares? 10 vs 25? Who cares? 10 vs 30? Yep...who cares?

I don't think threads like this are dumb when you are asking for the reasoning behind rankings....I think that is the one element all of us actually crave that we don't get much of.....tell me why you have Nabers ranked #8 this week when he has been performing more like #31 pretty consistently and the vibes in NYG suck right now....I'm not slamming on @Joe Bryant or the website either....just maybe asking for a little extra I guess....maybe that's too much to ask...

And I agree completely threads like this are NOT dumb. Not at all. Discussing where players should be ranked is a vital part of any Fantasy Football discussion board.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

Maybe in the fantasy football prognostication industry, but not if you're an actual winner in the gambling sector of the industry. Reminds of of an old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not perfect, but you get the gist. I guess it all depends on what business you're in. Thinking outside the box wins you money but it won't get you on TV.

I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking this website or Joe with these comments, I just think these threads are dumb when all ratings across the entire internet are essentially the same. 1 vs 15? Who cares? 10 vs 25? Who cares? 10 vs 30? Yep...who cares?

I don't think threads like this are dumb when you are asking for the reasoning behind rankings....I think that is the one element all of us actually crave that we don't get much of.....tell me why you have Nabers ranked #8 this week when he has been performing more like #31 pretty consistently and the vibes in NYG suck right now....I'm not slamming on @Joe Bryant or the website either....just maybe asking for a little extra I guess....maybe that's too much to ask...

That's my point. The answer to your question is everyone has him high. That's always the answer. Everyone has him ranked high, or low, or somewhere in between. Rankings are never far off, regardless of where you look.

Sometimes they are. We were higher on CeeDee Lambe last week than the consensus among other sites and got a lot of questions on it. That's why I did the thread.

But for Nabers, you're right, we're pretty much in line with what lots of other sites have him ranked this week at WR8. When he's been WR10 for the year in Points per Game.

Higher on CeeDee? By a few spots? 10 spots? What? He's the WR1 on pretty much any team anyway. Doesn't matter if you have him ranked 1, 12, or somewhere in between. He's being started and considered a WR1. Who cares, or I guess more to the point, why does it matter? It's not like it's some bold call saying he's #1 vs say...#10. You don't see this point?

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

Maybe in the fantasy football prognostication industry, but not if you're an actual winner in the gambling sector of the industry. Reminds of of an old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not perfect, but you get the gist. I guess it all depends on what business you're in. Thinking outside the box wins you money but it won't get you on TV.

I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking this website or Joe with these comments, I just think these threads are dumb when all ratings across the entire internet are essentially the same. 1 vs 15? Who cares? 10 vs 25? Who cares? 10 vs 30? Yep...who cares?

I don't think threads like this are dumb when you are asking for the reasoning behind rankings....I think that is the one element all of us actually crave that we don't get much of.....tell me why you have Nabers ranked #8 this week when he has been performing more like #31 pretty consistently and the vibes in NYG suck right now....I'm not slamming on @Joe Bryant or the website either....just maybe asking for a little extra I guess....maybe that's too much to ask...

And I agree completely threads like this are NOT dumb. Not at all. Discussing where players should be ranked is a vital part of any Fantasy Football discussion board

I mean, I would love to hear why rankings differed if the rankings discrepancies were significant but with CeeDee the gap was whether you considered him a top end WR1 or a low end WR1, it really doesn't make a difference in start/sit decisions. Your argument of why he's the top WR here is essentially the same as why he's the 5 somewhere else, or the 10 somewhere else, etc.

With Nabers, who should likely be ranked lower, we're just hearing the same groupthink arguments to justify his high rankings when he hasn't lived up to expectations in many weeks.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

Maybe in the fantasy football prognostication industry, but not if you're an actual winner in the gambling sector of the industry. Reminds of of an old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not perfect, but you get the gist. I guess it all depends on what business you're in. Thinking outside the box wins you money but it won't get you on TV.

I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking this website or Joe with these comments, I just think these threads are dumb when all ratings across the entire internet are essentially the same. 1 vs 15? Who cares? 10 vs 25? Who cares? 10 vs 30? Yep...who cares?

I don't think threads like this are dumb when you are asking for the reasoning behind rankings....I think that is the one element all of us actually crave that we don't get much of.....tell me why you have Nabers ranked #8 this week when he has been performing more like #31 pretty consistently and the vibes in NYG suck right now....I'm not slamming on @Joe Bryant or the website either....just maybe asking for a little extra I guess....maybe that's too much to ask...

And I agree completely threads like this are NOT dumb. Not at all. Discussing where players should be ranked is a vital part of any Fantasy Football discussion board

I mean, I would love to hear why rankings differed if the rankings discrepancies were significant but with CeeDee the gap was whether you considered him a top end WR1 or a low end WR1, it really doesn't make a difference in start/sit decisions. Your argument of why he's the top WR here is essentially the same as why he's the 5 somewhere else, or the 10 somewhere else, etc.

With Nabers, who should likely be ranked lower, we're just hearing the same groupthink arguments to justify his high rankings when he hasn't lived up to expectations in many weeks.

Yes. One of our projectors had him WR1. About 10-12 spots higher than consensus. And especially with a backup QB, people were interested. So we tried to detail why we had him there.

I thought it was a good discussion. If that kind of thing is not of value, I fully understand. We rarely do things where everyone finds it interesting.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

Maybe in the fantasy football prognostication industry, but not if you're an actual winner in the gambling sector of the industry. Reminds of of an old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not perfect, but you get the gist. I guess it all depends on what business you're in. Thinking outside the box wins you money but it won't get you on TV.

I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking this website or Joe with these comments, I just think these threads are dumb when all ratings across the entire internet are essentially the same. 1 vs 15? Who cares? 10 vs 25? Who cares? 10 vs 30? Yep...who cares?

I don't think threads like this are dumb when you are asking for the reasoning behind rankings....I think that is the one element all of us actually crave that we don't get much of.....tell me why you have Nabers ranked #8 this week when he has been performing more like #31 pretty consistently and the vibes in NYG suck right now....I'm not slamming on @Joe Bryant or the website either....just maybe asking for a little extra I guess....maybe that's too much to ask...

And I agree completely threads like this are NOT dumb. Not at all. Discussing where players should be ranked is a vital part of any Fantasy Football discussion board

I mean, I would love to hear why rankings differed if the rankings discrepancies were significant but with CeeDee the gap was whether you considered him a top end WR1 or a low end WR1, it really doesn't make a difference in start/sit decisions. Your argument of why he's the top WR here is essentially the same as why he's the 5 somewhere else, or the 10 somewhere else, etc.

With Nabers, who should likely be ranked lower, we're just hearing the same groupthink arguments to justify his high rankings when he hasn't lived up to expectations in many weeks.

Yes. One of our projectors had him WR1. About 10-12 spots higher than consensus. And especially with a backup QB, people were interested. So we tried to detail why we had him there.

I thought it was a good discussion. If that kind of thing is not of value, I fully understand. We rarely do things where everyone finds it interesting.

You're missing my point. 10-12 spots doesn't even move you outside of WR1 status. So what's the big deal?

 

[Joe Bryant]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

Maybe in the fantasy football prognostication industry, but not if you're an actual winner in the gambling sector of the industry. Reminds of of an old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not perfect, but you get the gist. I guess it all depends on what business you're in. Thinking outside the box wins you money but it won't get you on TV.

I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking this website or Joe with these comments, I just think these threads are dumb when all ratings across the entire internet are essentially the same. 1 vs 15? Who cares? 10 vs 25? Who cares? 10 vs 30? Yep...who cares?

I don't think threads like this are dumb when you are asking for the reasoning behind rankings....I think that is the one element all of us actually crave that we don't get much of.....tell me why you have Nabers ranked #8 this week when he has been performing more like #31 pretty consistently and the vibes in NYG suck right now....I'm not slamming on @Joe Bryant or the website either....just maybe asking for a little extra I guess....maybe that's too much to ask...

And I agree completely threads like this are NOT dumb. Not at all. Discussing where players should be ranked is a vital part of any Fantasy Football discussion board

I mean, I would love to hear why rankings differed if the rankings discrepancies were significant but with CeeDee the gap was whether you considered him a top end WR1 or a low end WR1, it really doesn't make a difference in start/sit decisions. Your argument of why he's the top WR here is essentially the same as why he's the 5 somewhere else, or the 10 somewhere else, etc.

With Nabers, who should likely be ranked lower, we're just hearing the same groupthink arguments to justify his high rankings when he hasn't lived up to expectations in many weeks.

Yes. One of our projectors had him WR1. About 10-12 spots higher than consensus. And especially with a backup QB, people were interested. So we tried to detail why we had him there.

I thought it was a good discussion. If that kind of thing is not of value, I fully understand. We rarely do things where everyone finds it interesting.

You're missing my point. 10-12 spots doesn't even move you outside of WR1 status. So what's the big deal?

No, I understand your point. Lots of teams will be making roster decisions withing those 10-12 spots. It's a big deal for them.

And we feel like we owe it to our customers to let them know exactly what we project a player to do. Right down to the last yard.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to just give tiers for players and leave myself tons of wiggle room. But our customers expect us to not waffle and rank each player each week. And we're glad to do that for them.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

Maybe in the fantasy football prognostication industry, but not if you're an actual winner in the gambling sector of the industry. Reminds of of an old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not perfect, but you get the gist. I guess it all depends on what business you're in. Thinking outside the box wins you money but it won't get you on TV.

I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking this website or Joe with these comments, I just think these threads are dumb when all ratings across the entire internet are essentially the same. 1 vs 15? Who cares? 10 vs 25? Who cares? 10 vs 30? Yep...who cares?

I don't think threads like this are dumb when you are asking for the reasoning behind rankings....I think that is the one element all of us actually crave that we don't get much of.....tell me why you have Nabers ranked #8 this week when he has been performing more like #31 pretty consistently and the vibes in NYG suck right now....I'm not slamming on @Joe Bryant or the website either....just maybe asking for a little extra I guess....maybe that's too much to ask...

That's my point. The answer to your question is everyone has him high. That's always the answer. Everyone has him ranked high, or low, or somewhere in between. Rankings are never far off, regardless of where you look.

Sometimes they are. We were higher on CeeDee Lambe last week than the consensus among other sites and got a lot of questions on it. That's why I did the thread.

But for Nabers, you're right, we're pretty much in line with what lots of other sites have him ranked this week at WR8. When he's been WR10 for the year in Points per Game.

You've mentioned the bolded twice in this thread. In my league he was the WR2 on ppg average in weeks 1-5 and WR36 from weeks 6-12. So yes he's WR10 on the year but with such a discrepancy I think there needs to be more to the prediction and reasoning than "he's been WR10 for the year".

 

[Joe Bryant]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

Maybe in the fantasy football prognostication industry, but not if you're an actual winner in the gambling sector of the industry. Reminds of of an old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not perfect, but you get the gist. I guess it all depends on what business you're in. Thinking outside the box wins you money but it won't get you on TV.

I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking this website or Joe with these comments, I just think these threads are dumb when all ratings across the entire internet are essentially the same. 1 vs 15? Who cares? 10 vs 25? Who cares? 10 vs 30? Yep...who cares?

I don't think threads like this are dumb when you are asking for the reasoning behind rankings....I think that is the one element all of us actually crave that we don't get much of.....tell me why you have Nabers ranked #8 this week when he has been performing more like #31 pretty consistently and the vibes in NYG suck right now....I'm not slamming on @Joe Bryant or the website either....just maybe asking for a little extra I guess....maybe that's too much to ask...

That's my point. The answer to your question is everyone has him high. That's always the answer. Everyone has him ranked high, or low, or somewhere in between. Rankings are never far off, regardless of where you look.

Sometimes they are. We were higher on CeeDee Lambe last week than the consensus among other sites and got a lot of questions on it. That's why I did the thread.

But for Nabers, you're right, we're pretty much in line with what lots of other sites have him ranked this week at WR8. When he's been WR10 for the year in Points per Game.

You've mentioned the bolded twice in this thread. In my league he was the WR2 on ppg average in weeks 1-5 and WR36 from weeks 6-12. So yes he's WR10 on the year but with such a discrepancy I think there needs to be more to the prediction and reasoning than "he's been WR10 for the year".

Sure, there's lots more to it. The poster said a couple of times he was only a 3rd WR level player and I don't agree. Overall this year, he's been WR10. Of course he's been up and down as we all know.

We think this week he's going to be back to earlier form. But of course, we'll see. 6 targets so far but just 3 catches on 29 yards in the first half.

 

[Joe Bryant]

But for sure, if folks think he's WR30+ this week, I'm not going to argue. You play him where you like.

I'm saying we personally think he'll be a top 12 WR this week as our WR8.

But if you're down on him, you do you.

 

[BassNBrew]

The ratings game is risk averse. It's just that simple. Preseason, in season, dynasty, redraft, weekly, whatever. Swimming upstream is a much harder endeavor in this industry. I think we can leave it at that and move on. No point in nitpicking this stuff. Learn to use groupthink to your advantage and move on. It will never change.

It's also a losing strategy. Father time is undefeated and so is group think (assuming some level of expertise in the group)

Maybe in the fantasy football prognostication industry, but not if you're an actual winner in the gambling sector of the industry. Reminds of of an old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not perfect, but you get the gist. I guess it all depends on what business you're in. Thinking outside the box wins you money but it won't get you on TV.

I hope everyone understands I'm not attacking this website or Joe with these comments, I just think these threads are dumb when all ratings across the entire internet are essentially the same. 1 vs 15? Who cares? 10 vs 25? Who cares? 10 vs 30? Yep...who cares?

I don't think threads like this are dumb when you are asking for the reasoning behind rankings....I think that is the one element all of us actually crave that we don't get much of.....tell me why you have Nabers ranked #8 this week when he has been performing more like #31 pretty consistently and the vibes in NYG suck right now....I'm not slamming on @Joe Bryant or the website either....just maybe asking for a little extra I guess....maybe that's too much to ask...

That's my point. The answer to your question is everyone has him high. That's always the answer. Everyone has him ranked high, or low, or somewhere in between. Rankings are never far off, regardless of where you look.

Sometimes they are. We were higher on CeeDee Lambe last week than the consensus among other sites and got a lot of questions on it. That's why I did the thread.

But for Nabers, you're right, we're pretty much in line with what lots of other sites have him ranked this week at WR8. When he's been WR10 for the year in Points per Game.

Differing opinion on falling back this far to get to wr8. Reminds me of Mahomes being ranked bases of performance 3 years ago. We haven’t seen anything like top 10 WR performance since September

 

[oddsbodkins]

Nabers should never be anywhere above 25 ever again