Why is Notorious BIG's murder considered a tragedy? (1 Viewer)

[Thorn]

I find the fact that Jay-Z openly admits that he covered the studio fees for his first album with money from cocaine sales puts him in the same ballpark,even though he's alive. The grass roots of his career were established on the backs of the misery of others via felony criminal activities, so of something happened to him I wouldn't call it tragic.

Cocaine = misery?

 

[mquinnjr]

I find the fact that Jay-Z openly admits that he covered the studio fees for his first album with money from cocaine sales puts him in the same ballpark,even though he's alive. The grass roots of his career were established on the backs of the misery of others via felony criminal activities, so of something happened to him I wouldn't call it tragic.

Cocaine = misery?

Yeah, completely harmless drug....

See: Len Bias, already mentioned in this thread, and search "cocaine" on this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drug-related_deaths

 

[Greggity]

I certainly didnt lose any sleep over his death.....

 

[Zaxxon]

Biggie didn't even live in the Bedford Stuyvesant projects that he talked about in his rhymes. He lived in a middle class neighborhood nearby and went there to hang out with his friends. He played a character that was largely exaggerated but that doesn't exactly make him unique in the world of hip-hop. Like Jay-Z, he never advanced past the status of low-level drug dealer and saw a better way to achieve financial security.

He didn't exactly make music to enlighten the world or make it a better place but being murdered seems a little unfair.

 

[Otis]

Biggie didn't even live in the Bedford Stuyvesant projects that he talked about in his rhymes. He lived in a middle class neighborhood nearby and went there to hang out with his friends. He played a character that was largely exaggerated but that doesn't exactly make him unique in the world of hip-hop. Like Jay-Z, he never advanced past the status of low-level drug dealer and saw a better way to achieve financial security.

He didn't exactly make music to enlighten the world or make it a better place but being murdered seems a little unfair.

If he was just a low level drug dealer and didn't hurt people, I could get on board with this.

I thought I read in his bio that he went to Bishop Loughlin. That's a catholic private school, I used to play against them in high school BBall. It's certainly not the worst school in Brooklyn.

 

[MC Gas Money]

To answer your question, I dont think people coNsider a tragedy from a life perspective but from a music perspective. Hip hop lost a great young artist too soon. And comparing him to hernandez isn't fair. Pretty sure he never killed anyone. Yeah he sold some drugs when he was younger but he stopped once he started rapping.

Do we know that? He raps an awful lot about killing folks. I always wonder about that, and about NWA and the like. These guys never killed anyone? Or the killed people and nobody cares? I wonder about Dr. Dre.If they were just selling pot on a streetcorner then who cares. But if they were shooting people?

i think its much more likely he didnt kill someone than he did. Seems somewhat dumb to think he did just cuz he rapped about it. Do actors kill people in real life if they act as a serial killer?

Was he acting? It was it more biographical?

songwriting down?

i don't assume that those death metal and heavy metal bands actually committed suicide and somehow came back to write terrible music again

Cant hold my tongue.

This post is reeking of ignorance. No metal bands have glorified or encouraged suicide. Occasionally songs have been written about those feelings which Is not the same thing. The metal scene has never tried to present itself as anything more than theatrics where as some other genres try to seem like its real.

Those metal musicians possess speed, technicality and knowledge of musical theory you could never comprehend.

Rapping over a drum machine is as lazy as music can get.

 

[Ilov80s]

To answer your question, I dont think people coNsider a tragedy from a life perspective but from a music perspective. Hip hop lost a great young artist too soon. And comparing him to hernandez isn't fair. Pretty sure he never killed anyone. Yeah he sold some drugs when he was younger but he stopped once he started rapping.

Do we know that? He raps an awful lot about killing folks. I always wonder about that, and about NWA and the like. These guys never killed anyone? Or the killed people and nobody cares? I wonder about Dr. Dre.If they were just selling pot on a streetcorner then who cares. But if they were shooting people?

i think its much more likely he didnt kill someone than he did. Seems somewhat dumb to think he did just cuz he rapped about it. Do actors kill people in real life if they act as a serial killer?

Was he acting? It was it more biographical?

songwriting down?

i don't assume that those death metal and heavy metal bands actually committed suicide and somehow came back to write terrible music again

Cant hold my tongue.

This post is reeking of ignorance. No metal bands have glorified or encouraged suicide. Occasionally songs have been written about those feelings which Is not the same thing. The metal scene has never tried to present itself as anything more than theatrics where as some other genres try to seem like its real.

Those metal musicians possess speed, technicality and knowledge of musical theory you could never comprehend.

Rapping over a drum machine is as lazy as music can get.

It isn't any lazier than a lead singer screaming over a band playing instruments.

 

[MC Gas Money]

To answer your question, I dont think people coNsider a tragedy from a life perspective but from a music perspective. Hip hop lost a great young artist too soon. And comparing him to hernandez isn't fair. Pretty sure he never killed anyone. Yeah he sold some drugs when he was younger but he stopped once he started rapping.

Do we know that? He raps an awful lot about killing folks. I always wonder about that, and about NWA and the like. These guys never killed anyone? Or the killed people and nobody cares? I wonder about Dr. Dre.If they were just selling pot on a streetcorner then who cares. But if they were shooting people?

i think its much more likely he didnt kill someone than he did. Seems somewhat dumb to think he did just cuz he rapped about it. Do actors kill people in real life if they act as a serial killer?

Was he acting? It was it more biographical?

songwriting down?

i don't assume that those death metal and heavy metal bands actually committed suicide and somehow came back to write terrible music again

Cant hold my tongue.This post is reeking of ignorance. No metal bands have glorified or encouraged suicide. Occasionally songs have been written about those feelings which Is not the same thing. The metal scene has never tried to present itself as anything more than theatrics where as some other genres try to seem like its real.

Those metal musicians possess speed, technicality and knowledge of musical theory you could never comprehend.

Rapping over a drum machine is as lazy as music can get.

It isn't any lazier than a lead singer screaming over a band playing instruments.

Obviously not something you know about. If you did you would understand the endurance as well as collaborating with an actual band.

No desire to argue with someone I thought was a friend. Gtg

 

[mr. furley]

To answer your question, I dont think people coNsider a tragedy from a life perspective but from a music perspective. Hip hop lost a great young artist too soon. And comparing him to hernandez isn't fair. Pretty sure he never killed anyone. Yeah he sold some drugs when he was younger but he stopped once he started rapping.

Do we know that? He raps an awful lot about killing folks. I always wonder about that, and about NWA and the like. These guys never killed anyone? Or the killed people and nobody cares? I wonder about Dr. Dre.If they were just selling pot on a streetcorner then who cares. But if they were shooting people?

i think its much more likely he didnt kill someone than he did. Seems somewhat dumb to think he did just cuz he rapped about it. Do actors kill people in real life if they act as a serial killer?

Was he acting? It was it more biographical?

songwriting down?

i don't assume that those death metal and heavy metal bands actually committed suicide and somehow came back to write terrible music again

Cant hold my tongue.

This post is reeking of ignorance. No metal bands have glorified or encouraged suicide. Occasionally songs have been written about those feelings which Is not the same thing. The metal scene has never tried to present itself as anything more than theatrics where as some other genres try to seem like its real.

Those metal musicians possess speed, technicality and knowledge of musical theory you could never comprehend.

Rapping over a drum machine is as lazy as music can get.

it's songwriting. poetry. art. whatever you want to call it.

i'm sure Journey still rocks, man. i'm not holding being stuck in the hair band 80s against you

next time someone writes a biographical song might be the first

 

[mr. furley]

wait, ####, why didn't i realize that was bluebagic

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Peace sells but who's buying

 

[Ilov80s]

To answer your question, I dont think people coNsider a tragedy from a life perspective but from a music perspective. Hip hop lost a great young artist too soon. And comparing him to hernandez isn't fair. Pretty sure he never killed anyone. Yeah he sold some drugs when he was younger but he stopped once he started rapping.

Do we know that? He raps an awful lot about killing folks. I always wonder about that, and about NWA and the like. These guys never killed anyone? Or the killed people and nobody cares? I wonder about Dr. Dre.If they were just selling pot on a streetcorner then who cares. But if they were shooting people?

i think its much more likely he didnt kill someone than he did. Seems somewhat dumb to think he did just cuz he rapped about it. Do actors kill people in real life if they act as a serial killer?

Was he acting? It was it more biographical?

songwriting down?

i don't assume that those death metal and heavy metal bands actually committed suicide and somehow came back to write terrible music again

Cant hold my tongue.This post is reeking of ignorance. No metal bands have glorified or encouraged suicide. Occasionally songs have been written about those feelings which Is not the same thing. The metal scene has never tried to present itself as anything more than theatrics where as some other genres try to seem like its real.

Those metal musicians possess speed, technicality and knowledge of musical theory you could never comprehend.

Rapping over a drum machine is as lazy as music can get.

It isn't any lazier than a lead singer screaming over a band playing instruments.

Obviously not something you know about. If you did you would understand the endurance as well as collaborating with an actual band.

No desire to argue with someone I thought was a friend. Gtg

Ok, just because we disagree, doesn't mean we aren't cool. Also, I don't think rapping or being the singer of a metal band is lazy. You are the one being the hater here.

 

[McGarnicle]

To answer your question, I dont think people coNsider a tragedy from a life perspective but from a music perspective. Hip hop lost a great young artist too soon. And comparing him to hernandez isn't fair. Pretty sure he never killed anyone. Yeah he sold some drugs when he was younger but he stopped once he started rapping.

Do we know that? He raps an awful lot about killing folks. I always wonder about that, and about NWA and the like. These guys never killed anyone? Or the killed people and nobody cares? I wonder about Dr. Dre.If they were just selling pot on a streetcorner then who cares. But if they were shooting people?

i think its much more likely he didnt kill someone than he did. Seems somewhat dumb to think he did just cuz he rapped about it. Do actors kill people in real life if they act as a serial killer?

Was he acting? It was it more biographical?

songwriting down?

i don't assume that those death metal and heavy metal bands actually committed suicide and somehow came back to write terrible music again

Cant hold my tongue.This post is reeking of ignorance. No metal bands have glorified or encouraged suicide. Occasionally songs have been written about those feelings which Is not the same thing. The metal scene has never tried to present itself as anything more than theatrics where as some other genres try to seem like its real.

Those metal musicians possess speed, technicality and knowledge of musical theory you could never comprehend.

Rapping over a drum machine is as lazy as music can get.

It isn't any lazier than a lead singer screaming over a band playing instruments.

Obviously not something you know about. If you did you would understand the endurance as well as collaborating with an actual band.

No desire to argue with someone I thought was a friend. Gtg

Congrats on the miraculous recovery.

 

[mr. furley]

He'll pour gas on your kids, then throw 'em a match
He'll back the car over grandma, the dissect her cat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0juVPihqVGQ

guys, i think these S.O.D. fellas really murdered grandmothers, burned kids and dissected cats

better call the federales and have them locked up. they are nothing but thugs.

 

[cstu]

Cant hold my tongue.

This post is reeking of ignorance. No metal bands have glorified or encouraged suicide. Occasionally songs have been written about those feelings which Is not the same thing. The metal scene has never tried to present itself as anything more than theatrics where as some other genres try to seem like its real.

Those metal musicians possess speed, technicality and knowledge of musical theory you could never comprehend.

Rapping over a drum machine is as lazy as music can get.

Are you really going to claim that metal doesn't glorify anti-social behavior just like rap does?

I don't buy the 'metal is nothing more than theatrics' argument either since there are tons of fans of both genres who can't separate entertainment from reality.

 

[cstu]

#### the west coast!!

link

Tim Dog can eat a big fat ####.

 

[mr. furley]

nsfw link to those animals from GWAR literally murdering someone's butt on stage

why haven't the police stepped on to stop these savages????????

are these even human beings??

 

[Tom Servo]

nsfw link to those animals from GWAR literally murdering someone's butt on stage

why haven't the police stepped on to stop these savages????????

are these even human beings??

Looks like late-night PPV material right there.

 

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Fatass prob would have died of a massive coronary in the next few years anyway. Missed out on one album. Big ####### deal IMO

 

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He'll pour gas on your kids, then throw 'em a match

He'll back the car over grandma, the dissect her cat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0juVPihqVGQ

That might be the worst thing I've ever listened to. Ever.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Cant hold my tongue.

This post is reeking of ignorance. No metal bands have glorified or encouraged suicide. Occasionally songs have been written about those feelings which Is not the same thing. The metal scene has never tried to present itself as anything more than theatrics where as some other genres try to seem like its real.

Those metal musicians possess speed, technicality and knowledge of musical theory you could never comprehend.

Rapping over a drum machine is as lazy as music can get.

Are you really going to claim that metal doesn't glorify anti-social behavior just like rap does?

I don't buy the 'metal is nothing more than theatrics' argument either since there are tons of fans of both genres who can't separate entertainment from reality.

No it doesnt. Metal fans are generally not dangerous to society. Only a very tiny fraction of lunatics take it seriously, but that goes for any media.

 

[mr. furley]

Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno just to watch him die

has anyone investigated his obvious criminality? WE SHOULD LOCK UP THESE COUNTRY MUSICIANS BEFORE THEY HURT ANY MORE PEOPLE

 

[Otis]

Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno just to watch him die

has anyone investigated his obvious criminality? WE SHOULD LOCK UP THESE COUNTRY MUSICIANS BEFORE THEY HURT ANY MORE PEOPLE

OMG that's like the same thing!!!!

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Biggie was a far better rapper than Tupac, and Tupac's thug past was overstated to a large degree.

 

[Sup_Larry]

Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno just to watch him die

has anyone investigated his obvious criminality? WE SHOULD LOCK UP THESE COUNTRY MUSICIANS BEFORE THEY HURT ANY MORE PEOPLE

If only he could have killed your ability to access the internet. You. Are. Horrible.

 

[mr. furley]

Vic Chesnutt made a song about suicide and THEN HE ACTUALLY KILLED HIMSELF

ZOMG THESE GUYS ARE DOING EVERYTHING THEY WRITE ABOUT

WHEN WILL THE MADNESS END????????

 

[mr. furley]

guys, Mick Jagger wrote a song called Sympathy for the Devil. do you think he's a Satanist????

 

[mr. furley]

does anyone else wonder if the members of Cannibal Corpse actually ate people before forming the band?

 

[mr. furley]

surely the members of Slayer are serial killers, right guys?

 

[mr. furley]

is Rob Zombie actually a zombie? he must be.. otherwise why would he use the name Zombie

 

[Sup_Larry]

Two guys fall out of the boat; you can only save one:

1. Tim

2. Furley

Which way do you go?

 

[mr. furley]

you mean to tell me that Tom Cruise can't actually kill people twice his size with his bare hands and then jump from a car traveling 80mph off a building before landing on his feet in the streets of New York and not get hurt?

not buying it, bro. the guy is made of ####ing adamantium.

 

[mr. furley]

don't act surprised when Harrison Ford gets whacked by Egyptian extremists after what he did to that guy with the sword

 

[mr. furley]

how much time should Ben Affleck get for shooting up all those cops after he robbed Fenway with Renner? you can't just fake #### like that. he must have been a pro before that scene.

 

[mr. furley]

He'll pour gas on your kids, then throw 'em a match

He'll back the car over grandma, the dissect her cat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0juVPihqVGQ

That might be the worst thing I've ever listened to. Ever.

you should listen to the whole album

 

[Otis]

Furley, I think maybe I can help you here.

"He started selling drugs at 12, he was a school dropout at 17, he was arrested for drugs and weapons charges, he was arrested for parole violations, he was arrested in North Carolina for crack cocaine, in 1996 he was again arrested for assault"

 

[mr. furley]

Furley, I think maybe I can help you here.

"He started selling drugs at 12, he was a school dropout at 17, he was arrested for drugs and weapons charges, he was arrested for parole violations, he was arrested in North Carolina for crack cocaine, in 1996 he was again arrested for assault"

you're right, he deserved to be shot to death

 

[mr. furley]

if you drink alcohol then you deserve to have your brains splattered all over the highway by a semi

 

[mr. furley]

if you ever got in to a fight as a kid then Kimbo Slice should chop your head off with his fist

 

[mr. furley]

if you have ever been arrested then you deserve to have a nightstick rammed up your rectum

 

[eurotrashman]

Where do we go from here guys?

 

[mr. furley]

Where do we go from here guys?

solving world hunger?

 

[eoMMan]

Every time someone is murdered, isn't it considered a tragedy?

 

[Otis]

Every time someone is murdered, isn't it considered a tragedy?

If the guy chooses to participate in violence and gunplay, I'm not so sure.

 

[Otis]

Furley, I think maybe I can help you here.

"He started selling drugs at 12, he was a school dropout at 17, he was arrested for drugs and weapons charges, he was arrested for parole violations, he was arrested in North Carolina for crack cocaine, in 1996 he was again arrested for assault"

you're right, he deserved to be shot to death

It turns out there are choices other than "deserved it" and "OMG TRAGEDY :weep:"

 

[Otis]

Guys, he was a model citizen. The drugs and violence and assaults and gun stuff were all just great storytelling.

Well, that and stuff he was caught doing. And that's only the stuff he was actually caught doing....

 

[eoMMan]

Every time someone is murdered, isn't it considered a tragedy?

If the guy chooses to participate in violence and gunplay, I'm not so sure.

Well, at the time of his death, he was an entertainer. He was definitely doing more good in the world than harm at that time with his music being enjoyed by millions around the world.

 

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So, Biggie was Furley's dad, then, right?