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Why no thread on Steve Smith (CAR) (1 Viewer)
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AgentMulder
Footballguy
Agreed not sure where I would put him, but agree with the undervalued part.
Well, I got him in the 10th round (95 overall) in aN IDP league, and was just curious about you guys take on him for this season. I think he will out-perform his ADP and be a nice WR2 this year......
Thats an interesting take on Newton. You could be correct.
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we dont know that Cam is inaccurate at this moment..... but we shall see if SS is an over the hill WR
lion_crazz
Footballguy
I went pretty heavily in on the Panthers. I got DeAngelo Williams in the 7th and Steve Smith in the 9th. Pretty excited about how undervalued each of these guys are. I think if Cam Newton can adapt even a little bit, these guys will flourish.
joffer
Footballguy
well, he's no Eddie Royal.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
i'd say he'll perform as a fantasy WR3 assuming he stays healthy and the QB situation remains stable (ie - doesn't become a merry go round)
theoneandonly
Footballguy
Solid wr 4 with some upside to be a wr 2
pantherclub
Footballguy
lol we shall see my friend, I think he will play well. Of course I might be dead wrong, but I'm an optimist on the panthers offense. Cant wait to see.
My bad man. I went to the "pinned" play spotlight series thread and bypassed the "this week's spotlights", ... scrolling down to the list(s). But thanks for the heads up.
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
Carolina should be on the bad end of a lot of high scores this year, that defense is going to get lit up. That should result in a lot of great opportunities for Steve Smith in junk time. I'm buying, big time. He was targeted heavily in his one preseason game and I think once him and Cam are on the same page we could be looking at 2011's version of Santana Moss last year.
Jewell
Footballguy
Agreed. Two young, unproven guys at QB with the franchise looking like they'll let them learn through their growing pains. Add new coaches with a new offense for the team to learn, plus a rookie QB who had a shortened pre-season to command an offense. They'll be too many rough patches to start Smith with any confidence.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Well. Their defense was 26th last year in ppg and their passing game was virtually worthless. This year they are learning a new system and, while it may be ugly early, it should get a little better later on.I live in Charlotte and have seen pretty much every play Cam has run in the preseason and I don't see much hope...for this year anyway. Cam looks like Clausen with running ability. Like Tavaris Jackson with better protection. His technique is pitiful in an uncomfortably large percentage of his reps. He will be more exciting then Clausen and he will extend a few more drives by running for first downs. If he miraculously works out all the kinks, Smith might have some value if he is still capable. I wouldn't expect anything early in the season. WR3 numbers tops.
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
I got him in the late 9th round of my 10 teamer, seemed like a good value there. People wanna knock him down for having a rookie QB, but is Cam Newton really going to be worse than the garbage Carolina had at QB last year? Even if Newton is below average, he's probably still a step up from Clausen/Moore.
Also, don't overlook the fact that they brought in a new offensive coordinator. I read a quote somewhere in the off season from Smith saying he was thrilled not to "line up on the same side of the field 70 plays a game". Greg Olsen is an underrated addition too, he can't block but is definitely a legit receiving threat that will help take some heat off of Smith. Even though he's 32 I don't believe his decline in numbers were due to deteriorating skills, rather a product of a terrible offense and an unimaginative O-coordinator.
Also, don't overlook the fact that they brought in a new offensive coordinator. I read a quote somewhere in the off season from Smith saying he was thrilled not to "line up on the same side of the field 70 plays a game". Greg Olsen is an underrated addition too, he can't block but is definitely a legit receiving threat that will help take some heat off of Smith. Even though he's 32 I don't believe his decline in numbers were due to deteriorating skills, rather a product of a terrible offense and an unimaginative O-coordinator.
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Otis
Footballguy
Yah, my reaction too.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Things might get better as the season progresses, but I can't see Steve doing much early, unless they run end-arounds multiple times per game. I know, pre-season doesn't mean anything, blah blah blah, BUT, Cam was terrible at delivering the ball to WRs. He's far from an accurate, polished passer & he's just gonna pull it down & run. Steve might be a decent buy low after the first few weeks. I drafted him, & expect such inquiries when the expected dreary start happens.
Otis
Footballguy
No, he's not. Eddie Royal will put up more fantasy points this year. But I'm glad to see you sharks enjoying the fact that he got hurt last year and as a result didn't match the 91 catches from his healthy season. Keep swimming, fellas.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I think it would be accurate to say that Cam Newton is currently the least accurate starting QB in the NFL. His mechanics and footwork look like something from a JV highschool qb. It boggles my little brain that Riveria would hitch his first big chance at coaching to Newton. A project qb who is clearly years away from being mediocre.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
I guess I'm a bit of an optimist with Steve Smith's prospects this year. I do think Cam will prove to be vastly superior to Clausen, and the heathy return of the OL will dramatically improve both the run game and pass protection. I'm sure there will be quite a bit of fluctuation in his stat line, but solid WR2 numbers by year end wouldn't surprise me at all.
Some things to consider.
SS basically gave up last year. He had a chance to force his way out of Carolina, but bought in to Rivera and Newton. Suffice it to say, he's gonna be giving 100% again this year.
He's put up numbers with wretched QBs in the past. Delhomme was god awful in 2009, and SS still put up 982/7. Testaverde was the QB in 2007 and SS put up 1002/7. The last year he had good QB play was 2008 version of Delhomme. SS had 1421/6.
I think 1000/6 is within reach this year.
Some things to consider.
SS basically gave up last year. He had a chance to force his way out of Carolina, but bought in to Rivera and Newton. Suffice it to say, he's gonna be giving 100% again this year.
He's put up numbers with wretched QBs in the past. Delhomme was god awful in 2009, and SS still put up 982/7. Testaverde was the QB in 2007 and SS put up 1002/7. The last year he had good QB play was 2008 version of Delhomme. SS had 1421/6.
I think 1000/6 is within reach this year.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I think he was targeted something like 9 times this preseason with only 1 catch. And that was for 7-8 yards. If you can get Smith in the 11th round or later then sure take a flier, but to think he is going to give you even WR3 numbers would be a stretch.
joffer
Footballguy
uh-oh, he's breaking out the italics. i'd better pay attention eddie royal had 91 catches his rookie seasonNo, he's not. Eddie Royal will put up more fantasy points this year. But I'm glad to see you sharks enjoying the fact that he got hurt last year and as a result didn't match the 91 catches from his healthy season. Keep swimming, fellas.
eddie royal had 91 catches his rookie season
eddie royal had 91 catches his rookie season
eddie royal had 91 catches his rookie season
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
I feel like I actually like Smith a little bit this year, but I still wouldn't say he's underrated.
Going by ESPN ADP's, the only WRs going ahead of him that, imo, shouldn't be are Ocho and Collie (only b/c of Peyton's issues). Then there are guys he's going a round or 2 ahead of that I like a touch more (Floyd, Moore, M.Thomas).
I'd take him if he drops like a rock, but I'm not seeing a ton of value here. Delhomme wasn't a special QB, but he was solid for a number of years and had a great connection with Smith. I'm optimistic that Newton could be okay long-term, but there's nothing to suggest that he could be a "Delhomme in his prime" type of passer this season.
Now, if Derek Anderson takes over at some point, I think Smith could be huge.
Going by ESPN ADP's, the only WRs going ahead of him that, imo, shouldn't be are Ocho and Collie (only b/c of Peyton's issues). Then there are guys he's going a round or 2 ahead of that I like a touch more (Floyd, Moore, M.Thomas).
I'd take him if he drops like a rock, but I'm not seeing a ton of value here. Delhomme wasn't a special QB, but he was solid for a number of years and had a great connection with Smith. I'm optimistic that Newton could be okay long-term, but there's nothing to suggest that he could be a "Delhomme in his prime" type of passer this season.
Now, if Derek Anderson takes over at some point, I think Smith could be huge.
RUSF18
Footballguy
Buying as well. I think he has something left in the tank. He's my WR4 in both my main leagues, so I don't plan on starting him at the beginning. But I think after a few weeks of everyone getting on the same page, he could be a nice bye week replacement with some additional upside.
Resident A
Footballguy
Anybody expecting WR2 numbers from Steve Smith will be very disappointed.
Remember last year after Matt Moore went down? Owners were very lucky to even get 5 catches for 50 yards out of Smith. He was basically Mohammed Massaquoi for the rest of the season. I don't think Newton will improve the passing game, and I'd say you're looking at a lot of 3 for 27 weeks. He's still very talented, but stuck in a wasteland.
I'd be willing to take a gamble on his upside as a WR5, but NO WAY would I consider him as a starter going into the season.
Remember last year after Matt Moore went down? Owners were very lucky to even get 5 catches for 50 yards out of Smith. He was basically Mohammed Massaquoi for the rest of the season. I don't think Newton will improve the passing game, and I'd say you're looking at a lot of 3 for 27 weeks. He's still very talented, but stuck in a wasteland.
I'd be willing to take a gamble on his upside as a WR5, but NO WAY would I consider him as a starter going into the season.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Not a very Hawk-like take, my friend.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
'bonesman said:
That's what I'm gonna try to do. It's still nice seeing him w/ a big game again.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
If you're talking about size, maybe you're right..Other than that, he has always been a complete physical specimen..
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Sell high? What do you think you're going to get? The dude was a perennial top WR who now has a QB with a cannon who proved he can pass at the NFL level on a team that should have to throw a ton this year. I like his chances, especially where he was drafted.'bonesman said:
bonesman
Footballguy
You're right... hold him another week or two and then sell before the inevitable freak injury.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
I can't wait to watch this on Game Rewind.
Sell high isn't that realistic after a single game IMO. Seriously, you're not going to get much since the other owner can read "Oh, you think this is a total fluke and want desperately to sell high, huh?" I'd love to hear what people could realistically get for him after one game. If you want to sell, you need a trend.
I like Smith to be a solid WR3 with real serious upside that I got for a bargain. What I could trade him for now isn't that, so I'll hold him of course. If it was a flash in the pan, I guess I break even on the late draft pick. If it's more than that, great draft pick.
Sell high isn't that realistic after a single game IMO. Seriously, you're not going to get much since the other owner can read "Oh, you think this is a total fluke and want desperately to sell high, huh?" I'd love to hear what people could realistically get for him after one game. If you want to sell, you need a trend.
I like Smith to be a solid WR3 with real serious upside that I got for a bargain. What I could trade him for now isn't that, so I'll hold him of course. If it was a flash in the pan, I guess I break even on the late draft pick. If it's more than that, great draft pick.
I am considering offering Gates for him
theoneandonly
Footballguy
I am holding on to him. Hes not gonna fetch anything that great in a trade yet. Anyways I like his upside. Guys never had a really good qb throwing too him and hes had some monster seasons.If hes a one hit wonder whatever not like I drafted him thinking he was gonna start for me.
theoneandonly
Footballguy
I accept =)
Pnishthm
Footballguy
Lol He likely already has Royal beat for the season after week 1!!!No, he's not. Eddie Royal will put up more fantasy points this year. But I'm glad to see you sharks enjoying the fact that he got hurt last year and as a result didn't match the 91 catches from his healthy season. Keep swimming, fellas.
joffer
Footballguy
update?:hawkfliesintowindow:No, he's not. Eddie Royal will put up more fantasy points this year. But I'm glad to see you sharks enjoying the fact that he got hurt last year and as a result didn't match the 91 catches from his healthy season. Keep swimming, fellas.
Keep soaring and just maybe you can reach the heights of the bar-headed Lhuckster.No, he's not. Eddie Royal will put up more fantasy points this year. But I'm glad to see you sharks enjoying the fact that he got hurt last year and as a result didn't match the 91 catches from his healthy season. Keep swimming, fellas.
Stealing a quote from Plasmadog...I could build a wrong machine powered by concentrated wrongness and it couldn't match the consistency that OTIS displays on these boards.update?:hawkfliesintowindow:No, he's not. Eddie Royal will put up more fantasy points this year. But I'm glad to see you sharks enjoying the fact that he got hurt last year and as a result didn't match the 91 catches from his healthy season. Keep swimming, fellas.
Warrior
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