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111/31= 3.5 YPC ...I'm not trying to be annoying, but I have no clue what is impressive about that number. The receiving yards per catch is impressive though.If this were not Foster, you would not be impressed by that number. If Kevin Smith put up 111 yards on 31 carries, would that be impressive?
He had one or two big losses that really skewed that. At one point he had -19 yards rushing, and that was before I tuned in. I actually assumed at the time that he jumped on a fumble that bounced backwards, but I still dont' know what happened at the beginning of the game. Anyone?
Ahhh, ok, Well that would change it a little bit, I just dont think its fair to say 'another great performance' when he was barely (adding in 19 yards) over 4.0 YPC. I realize I sound like a nerd to keep harping on YPC, but its the best way to judge a RB as a pure runner right?
Yates.No Andre.1st runner to put up 100+ on ATL this season.Sick.Ya, impressive.
That is why I want to see a play count. It felt like the second half Foster got the vast majority of the playing time, but the first half it felt like it was much more even both in touches and plays on the field. But I was caught up in the game enough I'd like to see if those impressions are accurate. The more we understand how and why they were used, the better we can predict what to expect in any given game.
Get a 100 yards and a TD with a 3rd string QB id say yeah id put that up there with 'another great performance'.
I was going to mention that exactly, but didn't.Foster dominated the 2nd half, whereas in the first, Tate was getting plenty of inserts.edit: If I remember correctly, Foster had 14 carries at half.. 17 in the 2nd... While the carries were similar, Tate was sidelined moreso than in the first... odd.But when you need a win, you go to the guy you trust.
Ugh, OK Andre had 97 yards and didn't leave till the last mintue of the 3rd quarter. Your making me be nit picky sir.
True. but still got 30yds and a TD after he left... (accounting for ~50% of his fantasy production)Anyways... enough semantics. Point is, despite playing vs a VERY tough run DEF, with a pretty lame QB he still put up 20pts in a non-ppr league.Dice.
I'm sure the game will be re-aired on NFL Network. Maybe you can watch it and give us your impressions?
It's definitely a theory and one I was thinking of too. I could also see Kubiak deciding to work both of them as much as he can to try to keep them both fresh as deep into the year as they can with Yates in there at QB.If the impressions that Foster got the majority of plays in the 2nd half holds up, I think that remains a good sign for Foster that he was the main guy with the game on the line.On the downside for Foster's fantasy outlook, I don't think Yates is looking his way as much as Schaub did (and of course no where near as much as Leinart). If anything I though maybe Yates forced things a little too much when he should check down.
Actually, you have that part backwards.If this were not Foster, YOU would be saying it was a truly impressive performance and lauding his ability to fight and gain aggressive, tough yards against one of the best run defenses in the league. This wasn't the Cleveland Browns or St. Louis Rams defense he did this against, it was the Atlanta Falcons defense, where running backs have been going to die for 15 straight weeks.Repeat after me: "Arian Foster is a great player and I have been wrong every step of the way."
I agree with this and believe they need to find a way to keep him down to the 25 touch a game level.
Add to it that (and your scoring may vary in your leagues) Foster was the highest scoring RB in fantasy last year and he is the highest scoring RB in fantasy this year per games played and I think the bigger surprise at this point in the game is why anyone still wants to create an anti-Foster thread. Save your energies for Chris Johnson, Lagarette Blount, and the like and just simply enjoy Foster.
Seriously? What more do you need to see? Did you even read that really long post a couple above yours outlining how regardless the situation he puts up big games?He hasn't had Johnson for a majority of the season. He is the most productive back in the league. They will clearly feed him the rock. There is no other RB I would be as confident about getting touches on the ground and in the passing game.
Wow. Touchy in here.He hasn't had Johnson, but they did have Schaub. So, considering the question I asked, how many quarters has Foster played with Yates in and Johnson out as the only real threat on the offense?I'm sure he'll still produce like an uber-stud. Sorry I brought it up.
Why hate him? He's honest, doesn't have a huge ego and produces when healthy.Most that drafted him in live drafts near the start of the season knew about the hamstring. I guess people that drafted early august didn't. Also how are injuries to Schaub and AJ his fault?
It's just that we just went over it above.He will need more touches to have similar production, but he showed that he is capable of handling the work with 30+ carries and a few catches last week. His ypc and ypr will not be as impressive, but IMO he will make up for it with the increased workload.
his ypc could have been astronomical yesterday if not for 2 separate miracle ankle tackles by the Falcons. Shows how good their run D really is. Foster nearly had 2 monster runs (probably TDs) saved by a flying defender.Most run DEFs, like the ones upcoming, will likely get scorched.
He just carved apart arguably the best run def in the league...
Falcons defense had a lot of fear of TJ Yates huh?edit: Originally had Tyler in there. My apologies to Mr. Yates for partially getting him confused with Tyler Palko.
30yds and a TD vs ATL, in that exact situation in the 4th quarter... so 120/4 over a game?
Blount is Foster's breakfast
Please don't compare Blount to Foster. Some people just don't like or believe Foster. That's cool. If you're drafting #1 next year and I have #2, I'll gladly take him.
It's like your sig... but even moreso.
Why do Foster owners seem to have such condescending attitudes? I'm trying to discuss his fantasy prospects with a 3rd string QB and the only other viable weapon likely out for the remainder of the fantasy season. Nobody thinks they'll utilize Ben Tate more these next few weeks instead of increasing Foster's workload? He carried it 11 times in this game.Like I said. Nobody will bench him, so I guess it doesn't matter.
Indeed. That's a fair point.
It's not about being condescending, it's about being tired of making the same argument over and over. It's because for two years, the doubters trot out reason after reason for why Foster will finally slow down, and all he does is keep producing. He is a great RB. If he wasn't an UDFA, the amount of posts on this board would be down about 10%.
It just tastes so, so sweet.
Got it. I didn't mean to rain on the parade.
I've never made that argument. I think that's the argument many Foster owners are hearing. What I've said (and still believe) is that Arian Foster is a good RB who happens to find himself in the most RB-friendly system in the entire league. I think we're really just splitting hairs to be honest. The vast majority of the "doubters" still concede he's a good RB.
Foster cuts harder than Tony Montana.
To each his own. I just don't know how anyone can watch how Foster runs (not just the results of his runs)...his cutting, his vision, his balance, and his explosiveness...and conclude that he is merely "good".
Something that has been lost here. I have never once argued that Foster is a fluke or anything like that. All I have been saying the entire time is that his stats are a bit inflated by the fact that hes running for Houston and there fantastic line. If you checked my dynasty rankings that I do, You'll notice Foster is in the top 5. If you guys think me saying foster is a top 5 fantasy back is a bust, then you have me. He has also moved past McFadden IMO in dynasty, because McFadden is building a resume of not being able to stay healthy.I think a lot of people are arguing at me because they see the thread name (why you hate Arian Foster) and think I'm in here bashing him and pulling the Tim Tebow Hater thread thing....I'M NOT!!!!!!!!!!! He is a top 5 dynasty back and pretty much the clear #1 fantasy RB for redraft next year. WHAT I AM SAYING is that he is not an elite back.'Herm23 said:
It looked to me like Atlanta had their strong safety up in the box like a linebacker for the majority of plays that were not a passing down. That was with AJ in the game. I'll add as a point of interest that there was a point in the game I thought they stopped doing that as much and it was the Texans 10+ minute drive for the game winning touchdown, when Andre was out of the game. I recall being puzzled that they seemed to be playing both safeties deep more on that drive when I'd have done the opposite.Anyway... yes I think without AJ teams would be able to focus more on the running game. But I'm not sure how much more a team could do to oppose the run than what was already being done. Most teams aren't going to bring the second safety all the way up to the line even with Yates and no AJ. In fact I'd be less willing to do it against Yates as a QB than I would Leinart as a QB, because of Yates arm which could do better burning me deep.So I'd answer your question with, yes, teams may try even more to shut down the run, but I don't think that will be a huge change over what was already being done. I'd still expect Foster will go over 100 combined yards in most games because he'll be used in the passing game if the running game is being held down, with a great shot to go way over it in the 150+ yard range given his ability to break long plays.
Put any decent to good RB in the Texans offense and he will put up stud numbers, Foster is a solid RB, but there is a reason a guy goes undrafted.
Sweet baby Jesus... don't. Please. don't.This is the argument of a complete nimrod. Don't be that guy. Laziest argument of all time. And completely false.Welker, James Harrison, Romo, Holmes, Gates, Rod Smith, Kurt Warner, Warren Moon.... they all defecate on your effort. Need I name more?
Wes WelkerAntonio Gates
Try to remain cool man, I am allowed to have a difference of opinion then you. If calling me names makes you think your "right" then feel free to send me a PM, other wise try to act like an adult.
