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Wife arrested for child abuse (2 Viewers)

dgreen said:
There was supervision: me, the person who made the choice to take a shower knowing I was the only person over 6 years old in the house. The worst thing my wife did was not make sure the door was closed all the way, but I'm sure she didn't think "I bet he's going to take a shower and not be watching them for several minutes," or else she probably would have made sure to close the door.

Ah, the good ol' days of really young kids and that difficult decision on when to take showers.
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so true... had totally forgotten about that. showers and ####s. I used to take my kids as infants into the bathroom with me while showering or pooping. seemed ridiculous.

 
Yeesh.  We are  guilty of leaving the kids home for a couple hours here and there.

10 and 8.  Big dog.  Both kids mature and well behaved.

About to google TX laws on this.  Never really crossed my mind.

 
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El Floppo said:
so true... had totally forgotten about that. showers and ####s. I used to take my kids as infants into the bathroom with me while showering or pooping. seemed ridiculous.
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We have one of those standing rain shower rooms with a jet tub just outside of it.  Pretty much every morning I put my two toddlers in the tub with a toy or two while I take a shower as quickly as possible just a couple feet away and pray that they don't accidentally turn the bathtub on.  Usually the time is spent by a few call and answer games. 

Definitely look forward to a time when they don't need constant supervision. 

 
dgreen said:
There was supervision: me, the person who made the choice to take a shower knowing I was the only person over 6 years old in the house. The worst thing my wife did was not make sure the door was closed all the way, but I'm sure she didn't think "I bet he's going to take a shower and not be watching them for several minutes," or else she probably would have made sure to close the door.

Ah, the good ol' days of really young kids and that difficult decision on when to take showers.
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Okay then let me ask this another way (i don't have kids).  Is it okay to leave a 2-year old unsupervised (obviously not in the situation but in general)?  Are you just chalking this up to a learning experience?  How pissed was your wife at you since you obviously messed up?  

 
McGarnicle said:
I was a latchkey kid from 7 years of age and I turned out...well, I'm a mess actually. Never mind.
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10 for me.  I walked a mile home alone from school.  I also rode in the bed of a pickup to the corner store. I dont think that will fly today...

 
Max Power said:
to the group... You guy are amazing.  I needed this. we needed this. Props to you all.
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Your post made me go look up our laws.

We don't have laws regarding ages.  We have laws regarding "maturity" and "responsibility".. which seems vague yet allows for common sense to come into play. 

Sucks for you guys.. I'm sure you will come out fine.

 
sbonomo said:
Okay then let me ask this another way (i don't have kids).  Is it okay to leave a 2-year old unsupervised (obviously not in the situation but in general)?  Are you just chalking this up to a learning experience?  How pissed was your wife at you since you obviously messed up?  
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Neither one of us were pissed about any of it. We actually laughed about it. One reason is probably because nothing bad came out of it. Also, for better or worse, we're more laid back parents than your average 21st century parents.

As for a 2 year old, they definitely need a lot of supervision. Probably more supervision than any other age. They're mobile and do stupid stuff. But, that doesn't mean you have to keep eyes on them every second. That's just not feasible. You have to go some amount of time without having them in your eyesight. What's the right acceptable amount of time? I don't know. I obviously assumed it was ok to take a quick shower. I'm sure I had done that many times before and many times after with no problems. Others refuse to do that until another adult or older child can provide supervision. I really don't think there's a 100% rule you can apply there and try not to be critical of what others do.

 
Chemical X said:
North Carolina Law

§ 14-318. Exposing children to fire. If any person shall leave any child under the age of eight years locked or otherwise confined in any dwelling, building or enclosure, and go away from such dwelling, building or enclosure without leaving some person of the age of discretion in charge of the same, so as to expose the child to danger by fire, the person so offending shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

North Carolina - There is no juvenile code regarding minimum requirements but this state's fire code G.S. 14-318 does. It states that if you leave a child under the age of 8 alone without supervision this is a fire hazard and you will be found guilty of A Class 1 misdemeanor.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/north-carolina-misdemeanor-crimes-class-and-sentences
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Were they locked or otherwise confined? Were they incapable of leaving the house?

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
While in 6th grade my father made the horrendous decision that we should take a family trip to Wiliamsburg, D.C. and the Ford Museum, maybe also the Daniel Webster House.  A nice educational trIp. A 2500 mile road trip.  It sucked.

At Williamsburg it seemed that every other shop and re-enactment had to do with candle making or forging gun barrels.  Not in my wheelhouse.  My kid brother and I wondered away.  There was an interesting looking tree.  We climbed it in spite of the sign warning not to.  We got a great vantage point over a walled in enclosure with no roof.  It was a staging area for the female casts members  for donning their period correct outfits.  We got an eyeful.  Eventually we were spotted and we high-tailed it back to the folks. 
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Post of the day.

 
matuski said:
Yeesh.  We are  guilty of leaving the kids home for a couple hours here and there.

10 and 8.  Big dog.  Both kids mature and well behaved.

About to google TX laws on this.  Never really crossed my mind.
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No risk but I am not a lawyer 

 
Max Power said:
Spoke to a lawyer just now and he thinks we can plea down to a "misuse of the 911 system" on this.  Comes with a small fine.  No jail and maybe some community service.  The wife coaches our kids soccer team, so hopefully that fills the CS need. 
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Did he mention if it can be thrown out completely? This is ridiculous. Your kids were not in danger and they were not abused. 

Just the fact that you had an emergency plan and that it was known by your son and he told it to the cops is more than 99.5% of families have in place.

Easy for me to say, but we need to work to get these silly laws off the books or rewritten to include discretion. This "case" should not include paying one dime, performing one hour of community service or taking any plea whatsoever.  :rant:  You might save another good family that may have slightly worse, but still benign, circumstances. I would check with the ACLU and at least consider spending out of pocket on a defense. Again, easy for me to say.

Here's a case I remember seeing before. http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/living/feat-maryland-free-range-parenting-family-under-investigation-again/index.html Like one mom said, it's not free range parenting. It's called parenting. Period. 

 
Sorry to hear that Max.  You seem like a good person on here.  Your wife and family deserve better than this.  

 
Worst case is probably a suspended judgment and some bogus parenting classes. Can't see this going too far.

 
You all are a good bunch.  This was something I couldnt turn to the normal support network with.  The wife doesn't need the added stress.  I vented to get it off my chest and the reassurance was nice.  We don't know each other and I've never met any of you, but this is sort of an extended family to me and I appreciate you people.

 
Max Power said:
You all are a good bunch.  This was something I couldnt turn to the normal support network with.  The wife doesn't need the added stress.  I vented to get it off my chest and the reassurance was nice.  We don't know each other and I've never met any of you, but this is sort of an extended family to me and I appreciate you people.
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Am I the only one who thinks she should go to prison?

j/k GB.  Hang in there.  Sound like this should work itself out.  

 
Why isn't there any distinction between abuse and endangerment.  The OP's situation doesn't seem like it would fit my conceptualization of abuse at all and to be charged with abuse is over the top.  I think, if anything, an argument could possibly be made for some level of endangerment by leaving young kids unattended, but even that would be weak sauce in this situation with the 11 yr. old there.  Good luck with all this.

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
Not that far off.  The Ox and I once spent hours hacking the code to the Playboy Channel on our cable box when my mother was out for the evening.  We got it and watched soft core porn for one glorious evening.  The next morning, he decided to brag to our mother that we'd solved the code.  She didn't believe him, so he punched it in in front of her.  She promptly changed it, while I stood there in stunned disbelief.  I still give him #### about that to this day, 35 or so years later.

Around that same time (we were a few years older) we shot a video in which the OX crushed up a bunch of Oreos, moistened the resulting mess into a paste, and smeared them on toilet paper.  The camera cuts in and he's sitting on the toilet.  He grabs some TP off the roll and pantomimes wiping his butt, but he's actually dropping the paper behind him and picking up the stunt paper with the Oreos on it.  He then holds it up while Yams and I are acting amused/grossed out, then he proceeds to smear it on his face and slam the door on the camera while we pretend to recoil in horror and laugh at the same time.  I showed it to my friends in junior high/HS and to a man, they started gagging and wretching, thinking it was real. I think I still have the tape.
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And here you go...

https://youtu.be/BB04DIljNoI

 
Somehow I managed to cut the first few seconds off where he does kind of an eyebrow wiggle at the camera as he rolls paper off and I say "I can't believe he's doing this on camera."

 
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