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Will Peyton Break the TD record? (1 Viewer)

I hope so because then the debate of manning being better than Brady may have substance because right now it's complete nonsense

 
Bamac said:
TheFanatic said:
Adam Harstad said:
TheFanatic said:
Adam Harstad said:
Peyton Manning is 3rd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 54 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 4.4 games. 11.3% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

Tom Brady is 2nd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 55 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 3.4 games. 15.6% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

#JustSayin'
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To say that neither of these guys are stat whores is like saying I like to fire up the grill every now and again...
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Yeah. A stat whore is someone who does something that falls outside the natural flow of the game in pursuit of a record. Guys who happen to accumulate massive stats during the regular course of the game aren't stat whores, they're just phenomenal players. For instance, Peyton Manning and Nick Foles weren't stat-whoring it up when they went for 7 TDs. Foles got all of his scores in the first 3 quarters, when the game was theoretically still in question. Manning got his 7th TD on a short little screen when he was trying to get a first down to chew up the rest of the clock. They weren't chasing the record, they just happened to get it in the natural flow of the game because they were playing so well.

An example of stat whoring would be Oakland force-feeding the ball to Jerry Rice when they're down by 3+ touchdowns to keep his consecutive games with a reception streak alive. They were just running stupid little screen passes that did nothing to contribute to their efforts to win the game, simply because they had nothing left to play for.

It's hard to say that scoring TDs does nothing to contribute to a team's efforts to win the game, so in that respect, it's hard to say that scoring touchdowns is ever being a stat whore, unless you're passing up a higher-percentage touchdown play in order to check to a lower-percentage touchdown play... but given Manning's (and Brady's) history, I'd be hard pressed to call letting them pass the ball at the goal line a "lower-percentage touchdown play".
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Running the score up in professional football qualifies. And if you scroll up this thread, you will see plenty of examples from both Brady and Manning in which they do that...
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I have a hard time calling anyone out for "running up the score" in light of games like this: ​http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=231006027
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:goodposting:

Or look at the Philly/Washington game from earlier this year. Philly had a 24-point 4th quarter lead, and they were still going for it on 4th down on Washington's side of the field trying to pile up more points. And you know what? It's a good thing they were, as that 24-point lead almost didn't hold up, as Washington almost became the first team in history to pull off the 8+8+8 comeback, scoring a pair of TDs and 2pcs on their next two drives after Philly's failed 4th down attempt, then getting the ball back another time and driving into the red zone with a chance to tie it.

Philly wasn't running up the score, they were trying to put the game away. Because even with a 24-point 4th-quarter lead, the game is not yet put away. Not in today's NFL.

 
General Tso said:
purestrength said:
Private Tso gets chippy when he's getting owned.
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Oh God, now pureidiot is joining the peanut gallery. Just like the rest of the clown possie he comes here with nothing of any substance. Still waiting for GhostRider and FFNinja to respond to my 2004 post. Like their names, they have disappeared into thin air LOL.
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Why bother? Everyone else has been refuting you so easily. It is the low hanging fruit of the SP.

 
General Tso said:
Fact: Manning ran up scores

For the first part of the year Manning was doing fine. Over their first eight games the Colts won by an average of 11.8 points. Then Manning somehow got confused and thought he was in college again where margin of victory actually matters.

In Week 10 against Houston, with a 35-0 lead, he was still is throwing. He threw two late interceptions that gave Houston the field position they needed to score their only points. In fact, in the final quarter, with Indy sporting a 42-7 lead, Manning came out and attempted four straight passes before being intercepted. Final score: 49-14. Said Manning after the game: "We're the kind of offense that's score, score, score, attack, attack, attack."

The following week, playing a beat up Chicago team that had very little chance to score 20-plus points, Manning was still throwing midway through the third quarter with a more-than-comfortable 24-point lead.

The next week, versus Detroit, Manning reached a new low. Late in the third quarter, leading the Lions 34-9, Manning was still throwing the ball. With just over 2 minutes to go in the third, Manning hit Marvin Harrison from 5 yards for his sixth TD of the game. Manning didn't play in the fourth quarter, apparently feeling the 32-point, 41-9 lead would be sufficient.

Statius Whoreus
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So if Manning throwing up 24 and 25 in the 3rd Q and sitting out the 4th Q is stat whoring, then you must think Brady is the biggest stat whore for throwing in the 4th Q up 38 against the Redskins right?

 
skins001 said:
General Tso said:
Fact: Manning ran up scores

For the first part of the year Manning was doing fine. Over their first eight games the Colts won by an average of 11.8 points. Then Manning somehow got confused and thought he was in college again where margin of victory actually matters.

In Week 10 against Houston, with a 35-0 lead, he was still is throwing. He threw two late interceptions that gave Houston the field position they needed to score their only points. In fact, in the final quarter, with Indy sporting a 42-7 lead, Manning came out and attempted four straight passes before being intercepted. Final score: 49-14. Said Manning after the game: "We're the kind of offense that's score, score, score, attack, attack, attack."

The following week, playing a beat up Chicago team that had very little chance to score 20-plus points, Manning was still throwing midway through the third quarter with a more-than-comfortable 24-point lead.

The next week, versus Detroit, Manning reached a new low. Late in the third quarter, leading the Lions 34-9, Manning was still throwing the ball. With just over 2 minutes to go in the third, Manning hit Marvin Harrison from 5 yards for his sixth TD of the game. Manning didn't play in the fourth quarter, apparently feeling the 32-point, 41-9 lead would be sufficient.

Statius Whoreus
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So if Manning throwing up 24 and 25 in the 3rd Q and sitting out the 4th Q is stat whoring, then you must think Brady is the biggest stat whore for throwing in the 4th Q up 38 against the Redskins right?
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I acknowledged that a few posts back (#365): "I think I've come to the conclusion that Brady is probably just as much as stat padder as Brees and Manning."

Bottom line, they're all stat padders, just some more than others. Personally I think Manning cares about records a bit more than Brady, but maybe that's because Brady already has his legacy secured with winning 3 rings.

But back to the topic of this thread, which is Manning's pursuit of the current record and whether he is "going for it". I think I have shown some pretty conclusive evidence that in 2004 his pursuit of this record significantly motivated him. Despite the childish behavior and idiotic rantings of guys like FFNinja and GhostRider (like a horse without a rider he is an argument without a point), I think it's indisputable that Manning went for this record in 2004, and that it mattered to him.

There have been some intelligent posters in here that have pointed out that the evidence of Manning going for it in 2013 is not as conclusive, and I'm actually intrigued by that. Not because I believe Manning isn't going for the record - I'd bet my life that he knows exactly how many TD's he has and how many he has to go. What's interesting about 2013 is that the Denver offense is so good, and Denver has been so wildly fortunate to have long TD passes, that it hasn't been necessary for Manning to show his hand as much. But I do believe you will see it in the coming weeks.

And is any of this bad? Heck no!!! Like I said in prior posts, one of the reasons I am so heavily weighted in the Denver passing game is because I know how much Manning likes his stats. So I put my money where my mouth is. So keep chucking the ball Peyton. Please!

I actually evaluate a QB's stat whoredness as a key metric in my overall fantasy football evaluation. I've always pegged guys like Manning, Brees (especially when he had the consecutive streak going) and my new favorite - Cam Newton.

Now I'm sure the clown possie of FFNinja and GhostRider will chime in as soon as their bus picks them up from school.

 
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New Webster definition of "stat padding"................Any pass attempt while leading in the 2nd half of the game.

I don't agree with you Mr. Webster.

 
I love this whore!! 1st and goal at the 2? Three straight passes!

 
Where's the peanut gallery? Paging pureidiot...

1st half stats with 1 minute left...

Peyton Manning - outside the 8 yard line

25 passes

11 rushes

Peyton Manning - inside the 8 yard line

7 passes (including 3 from the 1, and one from the 2)

0 rushes

Against a Defense that in my scoring system is ranked #2 against QB's and #28 against RB's. And the Denver running game is tearing it up as well, with 7.3 yards per rush attempt.

All just coincidence. LOL. You should listen to the radio broadcast. That's all they're talking about is the pursuit of the record. But our dear Peyton couldn't have that on his mind, could he? Statius Whorius.

 
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All just coincidence. LOL. You should listen to the radio broadcast. That's all they're talking about is the pursuit of the record. But our dear Peyton couldn't have that on his mind, could he?
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It could have nothing to do with passing being the best way for them to score.

 
General Tso said:
Where's the peanut gallery? Paging pureidiot...

1st half stats...

Peyton Manning - outside the 8 yard line

25 passes

11 rushes

Peyton Manning - inside the 8 yard line

7 passes (including 3 from the 1, and one from the 2)

0 rushes

Against a Defense that in my scoring system is ranked #2 against QB's and #28 against RB's.

All just coincidence. LOL. You should listen to the radio broadcast. That's all they're talking about is the pursuit of the record. But our dear Peyton couldn't have that on his mind, could he?
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Are you watching the game? Manning is torching this top ranked passing D. Keeping his foot on the pedal is what he should do. Quit trolling, troll.

 
pizzatyme said:
General Tso said:
Where's the peanut gallery? Paging pureidiot...

1st half stats...

Peyton Manning - outside the 8 yard line

25 passes

11 rushes

Peyton Manning - inside the 8 yard line

7 passes (including 3 from the 1, and one from the 2)

0 rushes

Against a Defense that in my scoring system is ranked #2 against QB's and #28 against RB's.

All just coincidence. LOL. You should listen to the radio broadcast. That's all they're talking about is the pursuit of the record. But our dear Peyton couldn't have that on his mind, could he?
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Are you watching the game? Manning is torching this top ranked passing D. Keeping his foot on the pedal is what he should do. Quit trolling, troll.
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How's the rushing game doing? 7.3 yards per carry? How's that pizza boy?3 plays from the 1 yard line. All passes. Only 1 completed for a touchdown.

1 play from the 2 (first and goal no less). Pass incomplete.

Can't argue with that success.

 
UPDATED as of 6:19ET

Chargers - 4
Chiefs - 1
Pats - 2
Chiefs - 5
Titans - 3
Chargers - 2
Texans - 2
Raiders - 3

Looking pretty likely. Could use another 1 or 2 today to really lock it up....

 
pizzatyme said:
What now, bumbass? Rushing TD!
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Yeah, at some point you have to hand the ball off at the one. I mean, really. Does anyone want to argue anymore that Manning isn't consciously play calling with this record in mind? That stupid argument has been thoroughly smashed today. Just waiting for pureidiot and Ghostboy to man up and admit they've been thoroughly and completely owned in this thread. Or is it "pwned" as you kids say today? LOL
 
Seriously, get out of this thread. We're trying to enjoy history happening, not a little ##### troll embarrassing himself. There are plenty of other threads for that.

 
Believe me, nobody's enjoying this more than me. I settled my score with the peanut gallery and I'm done now. Seriously - enjoy what Manning is doing. He's an amazing QB and will probably go down as the best ever.

 
The biggest stat whore ever is Bill Bellichick or whatever his last name is.

I mean seriously, does he really need to rack up all those wins when they have pretty much already clinched a playoff spot?

 
Most yards in sub 20 degree weather the past 5 years, and first to throw 4 tds in sub 20 degree weather in past 9 years.

I think peyton was trying to prove a point.

 
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