Will Peyton Break the TD record? (1 Viewer)

[FUBAR]

Random thoughts:

I think it is pretty crystal clear that Thomas/Welker/Decker/Thomas is better than the Bengals WR/TE group, and it's just amplified that much more since their skill sets fit quite nicely with Manning's strengths. While the talent might be close, the Bronco players as a whole are much more polished at this time.

I don't think we will ever see a QB break a record without nice talent around him.

Dalton COULD throw 40 TDs on the Broncos, I just don't think he would. PLus they would probably lose half their games if Dalton was their QB.

Agreed with the polished part. But a huge reason Decker, Thomas, and Thomas are polished is because their QB makes everyone around him better. Sets the right example, takes time to teach the receivers what he wants, etc.

I don't want Peyton to retire, but I am very curious to see what this team would do without him.

 

[ghostguy123]

Random thoughts:

I think it is pretty crystal clear that Thomas/Welker/Decker/Thomas is better than the Bengals WR/TE group, and it's just amplified that much more since their skill sets fit quite nicely with Manning's strengths. While the talent might be close, the Bronco players as a whole are much more polished at this time.

I don't think we will ever see a QB break a record without nice talent around him.

Dalton COULD throw 40 TDs on the Broncos, I just don't think he would. PLus they would probably lose half their games if Dalton was their QB.

Agreed with the polished part. But a huge reason Decker, Thomas, and Thomas are polished is because their QB makes everyone around him better. Sets the right example, takes time to teach the receivers what he wants, etc.

I don't want Peyton to retire, but I am very curious to see what this team would do without him.

Assuming they get a middle of the road QB, maybe a top 15 kinda guy, I think they do quite well.

 

[pizzatyme]

Random thoughts...if we swapped Peyton for Dalton I think we'd be hearing how polished the Bengals receiving crew are.

Denver would be running the ball more and would be the 4 seed and Cincy would be the 1 seed.

People love to minimize Peyton's ability to elevate his teammates yet have no hesitation about giving Brady praise for elevating his receivers.

Peyton would have 40+ for the Chiefs this year. He'd elevate EVERY SINGLE TEAM, period.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Random thoughts:

I think it is pretty crystal clear that Thomas/Welker/Decker/Thomas is better than the Bengals WR/TE group, and it's just amplified that much more since their skill sets fit quite nicely with Manning's strengths. While the talent might be close, the Bronco players as a whole are much more polished at this time.

I don't think we will ever see a QB break a record without nice talent around him.

Dalton COULD throw 40 TDs on the Broncos, I just don't think he would. PLus they would probably lose half their games if Dalton was their QB.

You must have a low opinion of a guy that fails to live to potential even in a hypothetical world.

 

[jurb26]

You guys trying to minimize Manning's record do realize that he is head and shoulda above #2 and down, right?

Manning 51

Brees 35

Romo/Dalton 31

The other QBs are playing by the same rules and are at least 16 behind.

And is anyone really going to suggest that Denver's WRs are 16 or 20+ more TDs more talented than the rest of the league?

This is all about Manning. It's okay to say so.

It's not all about Manning and it's logical to say so. Football is a team game and records don't get broken unless the entire unit contributes. Manning deserves credit and he will get credit but saying it's all about him is naive.

I'm saying the difference between 35 & 51 TD passes IS all about Manning. The rest of the QBs in the league have teammates too.

You think the rest of those guys have teammates as good? I don't. It's largely irrelevant anyway. I'd say Manning is no way 16 or 20 TDs better than the rest of the leagues QBs. Somewhere between my statement and yours is a balance that is probably the truth.

Peyton would be close to the record with dez/witten etc or green and Bengals crew. It's possible that the Bengals actually have better players around Dalton than Peyton has

I don't really agree with this. I love Cinci's weapons and also believe that Dalton is an above average QB but not much more. Still, Den has better weapons top to bottom IMO. Green is the best WR and player of the entire group but Thomas isn't far behind. Decker is a significant upgrade over Cinici's WR2 and Welker is just as much an upgrade over their WR3. TE is pretty close to a push IMO and so are the RBs. Another huge advantage for Den however is one that doesn't get talked about, the oline. Den has one of the best in the NFL, a top 5 unit IMO. Cinci, while decent is probably just above average. Cumulatively, I see the Den offense as better than Cinci by a decent margin. Of course, Manning magnifies that because he is such a great player as well. I don't think the Dal offense is in the discussion here at all.

 

[msudaisy26]

There is no way he would have had this many touchdowns for the Bengals with their good defense.

there is no way of knowing this. especially if you subscribe (which based on the tone of your posts, I think you probably do) to the narrative that Manning is going all out for the records. The notion that Dalton puts up the same amount of TDs in Denver's o as Manning does in Cincy's o is way off imo. Dalton is holding that offence back. And if Manning were on the Bengals he'd likely be putting up huge numbers and the spin would likely be oh, he has the best WR in the league, one of the best young pass-catching TEs and RBs and a defence that gives him more possessions than other teams so he can run the score up blah blah blah. There's going to be some spin from people who simply don't like Manning for one reason or another.

I don't think he started the year off going for records, once they became a possibility I think he was going for them, but we will have to agree to disagree on the rest. I don't think Dalton holds that offense back, I don't think Eifert and Gresham would be lighting it up if Manning was there, Dressen and Tamme didn't light it up last year, I think Green is better then Thomas but not by much. You are making excuses for Manning on a topic that we will never know.

 

[msudaisy26]

Random thoughts:

I think it is pretty crystal clear that Thomas/Welker/Decker/Thomas is better than the Bengals WR/TE group, and it's just amplified that much more since their skill sets fit quite nicely with Manning's strengths. While the talent might be close, the Bronco players as a whole are much more polished at this time.

I don't think we will ever see a QB break a record without nice talent around him.

Dalton COULD throw 40 TDs on the Broncos, I just don't think he would. PLus they would probably lose half their games if Dalton was their QB.

Agreed with the polished part. But a huge reason Decker, Thomas, and Thomas are polished is because their QB makes everyone around him better. Sets the right example, takes time to teach the receivers what he wants, etc.

I don't want Peyton to retire, but I am very curious to see what this team would do without him.

Assuming they get a middle of the road QB, maybe a top 15 kinda guy, I think they do quite well.

I agree with this, Decker and Thomas both showed flashes as second year players with Tebow as their quarterback. They were going to bust out as long as they had an average quarterback.

 

[msommer]

Lets not forget that five receivers on the teamhave double digit TDs. No other team has had more than three. I'm in the camp that there is a lot of PM in this record. Now, had he had the Jets' receivers, he would not be sniffing the record, so he is getting some help...

 

[ghostguy123]

Random thoughts:

I think it is pretty crystal clear that Thomas/Welker/Decker/Thomas is better than the Bengals WR/TE group, and it's just amplified that much more since their skill sets fit quite nicely with Manning's strengths. While the talent might be close, the Bronco players as a whole are much more polished at this time.

I don't think we will ever see a QB break a record without nice talent around him.

Dalton COULD throw 40 TDs on the Broncos, I just don't think he would. PLus they would probably lose half their games if Dalton was their QB.

You must have a low opinion of a guy that fails to live to potential even in a hypothetical world.

I don't care much for Dalton, no.

 

[Otis]

Stupid question maybe -- why is everyone focusing on Peyton's current number? He's playing this week, right? And likely will increase the number by multiple TDs this week, no?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Random thoughts:

I think it is pretty crystal clear that Thomas/Welker/Decker/Thomas is better than the Bengals WR/TE group, and it's just amplified that much more since their skill sets fit quite nicely with Manning's strengths. While the talent might be close, the Bronco players as a whole are much more polished at this time.

I don't think we will ever see a QB break a record without nice talent around him.

Dalton COULD throw 40 TDs on the Broncos, I just don't think he would. PLus they would probably lose half their games if Dalton was their QB.

You must have a low opinion of a guy that fails to live to potential even in a hypothetical world.

I don't care much for Dalton, no.

But he could still throw 40 TDs on the Broncos?

 

[Buffaloes]

I do NOT think A.J. Green is better than D.Thomas. About equal, I'd say.

I'm a big Bronco homer, Green is definitely better.

 

[Buffaloes]

There is no way he would have had this many touchdowns for the Bengals with their good defense.

there is no way of knowing this. especially if you subscribe (which based on the tone of your posts, I think you probably do) to the narrative that Manning is going all out for the records. The notion that Dalton puts up the same amount of TDs in Denver's o as Manning does in Cincy's o is way off imo. Dalton is holding that offence back. And if Manning were on the Bengals he'd likely be putting up huge numbers and the spin would likely be oh, he has the best WR in the league, one of the best young pass-catching TEs and RBs and a defence that gives him more possessions than other teams so he can run the score up blah blah blah. There's going to be some spin from people who simply don't like Manning for one reason or another.

I don't think he started the year off going for records, once they became a possibility I think he was going for them, but we will have to agree to disagree on the rest. I don't think Dalton holds that offense back

? he started the season off by tying single-game TD record. I think this thread was made that night.

We'll go ahead and disagree on Dalton.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I do NOT think A.J. Green is better than D.Thomas. About equal, I'd say.

I disagree. Demaryius is great, but for my money, A.J. Green is the 2nd best WR in the league behind Megatron.

 

[ghostguy123]

Random thoughts:

I think it is pretty crystal clear that Thomas/Welker/Decker/Thomas is better than the Bengals WR/TE group, and it's just amplified that much more since their skill sets fit quite nicely with Manning's strengths. While the talent might be close, the Bronco players as a whole are much more polished at this time.

I don't think we will ever see a QB break a record without nice talent around him.

Dalton COULD throw 40 TDs on the Broncos, I just don't think he would. PLus they would probably lose half their games if Dalton was their QB.

You must have a low opinion of a guy that fails to live to potential even in a hypothetical world.

I don't care much for Dalton, no.

But he could still throw 40 TDs on the Broncos?

Something wrong with that? COULD isn't the same as WOULD.

I think Manning COULD throw for 65 TDs with the Broncos.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Random thoughts:

I think it is pretty crystal clear that Thomas/Welker/Decker/Thomas is better than the Bengals WR/TE group, and it's just amplified that much more since their skill sets fit quite nicely with Manning's strengths. While the talent might be close, the Bronco players as a whole are much more polished at this time.

I don't think we will ever see a QB break a record without nice talent around him.

Dalton COULD throw 40 TDs on the Broncos, I just don't think he would. PLus they would probably lose half their games if Dalton was their QB.

You must have a low opinion of a guy that fails to live to potential even in a hypothetical world.

I don't care much for Dalton, no.

But he could still throw 40 TDs on the Broncos?

Something wrong with that? COULD isn't the same as WOULD.

I think Manning COULD throw for 65 TDs with the Broncos.

I'm just having a hard time juggling all the different hypothetical worlds you have.

This is what I'm getting from you:

World 1: Dalton is on the Broncos and throws for 40 TDs.

World 2: Dalton is on the Broncos and throws for less than 40 TDs.

World 3: Manning is on the Broncos and throws for 65 TDs.

World 4 (this one): Manning is on the Broncos and throws for 51+ TDs.

Are there more?

 

[ghostguy123]

You got it. Spot on.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Peyton Manning just broke the TD record again.

I have a feeling he's going to break it a couple more times before today is over.

 

[purestrength]

53.

 

[Hoss Style]

I do NOT think A.J. Green is better than D.Thomas. About equal, I'd say.

I disagree. Demaryius is great, but for my money, A.J. Green is the 2nd best WR in the league behind Megatron.

Not only is AJ better than DT, but Marvin Jones is better than Decker. If Denver swapped Jones for Decker than Jones would be better. He'd be the no-question #2 on the team.

 

[Andrew74]

Not just TD record but highest scoring team in history.

 

[Andrew74]

Now the season passing yardage record.

 

[Ballstein]

madden numbers

 

[purestrength]

55.

I don't want to argue Thomas vs. Green. Both are great.

Although I did notice DT adding two more TDs today. ;-)

 

[purestrength]

Osweiler in. Shoot, Peyton could have got to 58 or 59 today.

 

[General Tso]

I would love to place a bet on this right now. I'd put the house on yes. When a great QB gets a record within sight the record always gets broken. I think Peyton shatters it and ends up with 55.

LOL

 

[FUBAR]

It's not a lock, but it's a safe bet. He's already #8.

Two closer questions -

1. Does Drew Brees finish top 5 all-time? 5 games left, needs 17.

2. Peyton choose over/under at 55.

I'll bite

1. YES

2. Over, unless he sits over a half in week 17

I'll take the under on both.

Brees fell short, though he still could be top 9, sitting at 11.

Peyton, hit exactly.

 

[Popinski]

Entering the 4th quarter, the Raiders have one more first down in the game than Peyton has TDs.

 

[purestrength]

Final tally: 55.

Too bad the "stat whore" skipped the entire second half against Oakland.

 

[General Tso]

Final tally: 55.

Too bad the "stat whore" skipped the entire second half against Oakland.

You can bet your ### that if he hadn't gotten the passing yards record (he got it by 1 yard at the end of the first half) he would have come back out to get the record in the second half.Great season by Manning -truly MVP worthy. I predicted 55 TD's all the way back in September, because QB's are in fact "stat whores" - particularly Manning. But all that means nothing now. If anything, the pressure on Manning winning the Superbowl this year is even greater. The records mean nothing if he chokes again in the playoffs.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Final tally: 55.

Too bad the "stat whore" skipped the entire second half against Oakland.

You can bet your ### that if he hadn't gotten the passing yards record (he got it by 1 yard at the end of the first half) he would have come back out to get the record in the second half.

I'm not so sure. The record's not really his yet- it has to survive this week's stat corrections. All it takes is one pass being changed to a lateral, one receiver being ruled down a yard or two shorter than the official scorer had him at, and the record's gone. Manning's a really smart guy, he has to know this. If it was REALLY that important to Manning, you'd think he'd have added a bit of cushion.

 

[Adam Harstad]

I do NOT think A.J. Green is better than D.Thomas. About equal, I'd say.

I disagree. Demaryius is great, but for my money, A.J. Green is the 2nd best WR in the league behind Megatron.

Not only is AJ better than DT, but Marvin Jones is better than Decker. If Denver swapped Jones for Decker than Jones would be better. He'd be the no-question #2 on the team.

Really gonna have to disagree with this one.

 

[ghostguy123]

Final tally: 55.

Too bad the "stat whore" skipped the entire second half against Oakland.

You can bet your ### that if he hadn't gotten the passing yards record (he got it by 1 yard at the end of the first half) he would have come back out to get the record in the second half.

I'm not so sure. The record's not really his yet- it has to survive this week's stat corrections. All it takes is one pass being changed to a lateral, one receiver being ruled down a yard or two shorter than the official scorer had him at, and the record's gone. Manning's a really smart guy, he has to know this. If it was REALLY that important to Manning, you'd think he'd have added a bit of cushion.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh stop using logic.

 

[moleculo]

Final tally: 55.

Too bad the "stat whore" skipped the entire second half against Oakland.

You can bet your ### that if he hadn't gotten the passing yards record (he got it by 1 yard at the end of the first half) he would have come back out to get the record in the second half.

I'm not so sure. The record's not really his yet- it has to survive this week's stat corrections. All it takes is one pass being changed to a lateral, one receiver being ruled down a yard or two shorter than the official scorer had him at, and the record's gone. Manning's a really smart guy, he has to know this. If it was REALLY that important to Manning, you'd think he'd have added a bit of cushion.

There was a WR screen to Decker that looked like a lateral to me...

 

[purestrength]

I remember that Decker play too. I'm concerned about that being changed to a run.

 

[General Tso]

Ok. You guys keep telling yourself that Manning doesn't care about records. It was just coincidence that he came out after breaking the record by 1 yard.

Also a coincidence that he passed the ball 7 out 9 times on that last drive of the half when they had a 24 point lead.

Also a coincidence that 3 of his 4 touchdowns came on 1st and goal plays - from the 3, 5 and 7. And last I checked, that running game was doing pretty darn good. And you know what? You just might need to be able to run the ball a little in the playoffs. But we'll worry about that later.

And you think that because he didn't play the 2nd half with a 31-0 lead that this was some sort of gracious act on his part? If he went into that game after halftime and got hurt the head coach would not only be fired, he'd be burned at the stake.

Enjoy the record. He earned it and he deserves it. But please, can we stop this silly charade about him not going for the record or being stat conscious? It just doesn't pass the sniff test as they say.

 

[ghostguy123]

Enjoy the record. He earned it and he deserves it. But please, can we stop this silly charade about him not going for the record or being stat conscious? It just doesn't pass the sniff test as they say.

Of course he knows about the record. It's all people talk about.

And so what if he was going for the record? As long as he doesn't compromise the team in anyway, then why not go for it? CLearly passing the ball seems to work for Mr. Manning and the Broncos.

Manning is such a stat whore. I am surprised they didnt false start a few times on purpose to try and get him some more yards.

 

[General Tso]

Enjoy the record. He earned it and he deserves it. But please, can we stop this silly charade about him not going for the record or being stat conscious? It just doesn't pass the sniff test as they say.

Of course he knows about the record. It's all people talk about.

And so what if he was going for the record? As long as he doesn't compromise the team in anyway, then why not go for it? CLearly passing the ball seems to work for Mr. Manning and the Broncos.

Manning is such a stat whore. I am surprised they didnt false start a few times on purpose to try and get him some more yards.

There's nothing wrong with it, as long as they are comfortable they can ramp up the running game when they need it in a few weeks. I've got no beef with what Manning did. If people don't like him running up the score, then they are free to stop him.My beef from day 1 in this thread is the last sentence of your most recent thread, which once again is a passive aggressive way of insinuating that Manning is somehow above the fray and that concerns of things like records are beneath him. That's all.

 

[amnesiac]

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind.

 

[amnesiac]

in other words, I think it's great that Manning is a "stat-whore".

in any other industry, people would be applauding his efforts.

but in sports, you're supposed to be a "good sport" and let up because your opponent is inferior.

#### that. and congrats to Peyton Manning for setting the bar higher.

 

[ghostguy123]

There's nothing wrong with it, as long as they are comfortable they can ramp up the running game when they need it in a few weeks. I've got no beef with what Manning did. If people don't like him running up the score, then they are free to stop him.
My beef from day 1 in this thread is the last sentence of your most recent thread, which once again is a passive aggressive way of insinuating that Manning is somehow above the fray and that concerns of things like records are beneath him. That's all.

I don't think he is anywhere near as concerned about it as you seem to think he is.

You make it sound like he is jesus-like in his ability to get exactly what he needs as halftime magically approaches, and that him sitting after the half was something more than just coincidence.

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I just don't think he is going to risk the season over passing yards. Not when he knows full well he will be judged by the number of rings he gets no matter how many regular season stats he puts up.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Ok. You guys keep telling yourself that Manning doesn't care about records. It was just coincidence that he came out after breaking the record by 1 yard.

Also a coincidence that he passed the ball 7 out 9 times on that last drive of the half when they had a 24 point lead.

Also a coincidence that 3 of his 4 touchdowns came on 1st and goal plays - from the 3, 5 and 7. And last I checked, that running game was doing pretty darn good. And you know what? You just might need to be able to run the ball a little in the playoffs. But we'll worry about that later.

And you think that because he didn't play the 2nd half with a 31-0 lead that this was some sort of gracious act on his part? If he went into that game after halftime and got hurt the head coach would not only be fired, he'd be burned at the stake.

Enjoy the record. He earned it and he deserves it. But please, can we stop this silly charade about him not going for the record or being stat conscious? It just doesn't pass the sniff test as they say.

Ummm... Peyton Manning came out at halftime. If you're going to pull your starters, "at halftime with a 31-point lead" seems like a pretty logical time to do it, whether he'd just broken the record or not.

I'm not sure the record stands up to Elias' review, anyway. Like I said, if Peyton really cared about owning these records, he'd be doing what he could to make sure they stuck. I really think that if Peyton had been 5 yards shy of the record at halftime, there's a good chance he still would have sat out the second half.

 

[Neofight]

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind.

January in the NFL is all about the giving...

 

[Warrior]

Manning could have thrown for another 200 yards and 4 more TDs in the second half if he really wanted to rack up the stats. But he was fine with 55 PaTD and the most passing yards in history...no need to pile on.

Next stop: Greatest of all time. All he needs to do in my mind is win the SB once more. Until he does that, it's a grey area (w/ Montana) for me.

 

[Hoss Style]

I do NOT think A.J. Green is better than D.Thomas. About equal, I'd say.

I disagree. Demaryius is great, but for my money, A.J. Green is the 2nd best WR in the league behind Megatron.

Not only is AJ better than DT, but Marvin Jones is better than Decker. If Denver swapped Jones for Decker than Jones would be better. He'd be the no-question #2 on the team.

Really gonna have to disagree with this one.

Yeah, I figured more than a few would. I just have gotten to watch every snap of Decker (his rookie year, too) and have gotten to watch probably half of Marvin Jones' games.

I can't argue with you here, because there's no way to prove it. I really believe this though, from what I've seen. I think Jones is more athletic, tracks the ball better in the air (although Decker is MUCH better at that this year), I think he has more ability to win one-on-one balls in the air, but more than any of that -

I've just seen what he's done with Dalton at QB this year and can't see him not improving substantially with Peyton as his QB. I've seen Marvin make plays this year that I know Decker couldn't physically make. I've not seen Decker make a catch that I couldn't see Marvin making. If I remember correctly, Decker didn't do the combine stuff because his camp thought it would drop his draft stock - Marvin's faster, jumps higher, is stronger, is quicker (one of the top cone drills for his class). If there was a big difference in ability to catch, then I say Decker would be there with Marvin, but it's the opposite for me - I've seen Marvin make great catches with a subpar QB (for most of the year).

I guess maybe we could say Decker's smarter? (Able to pick up the offense better and learn the routes? I truthfully have no idea). He seems to run great routes and I'd have to say Decker seems more physical than Jones. A better blocker as well.

All my opinion, of course. I'm a Broncos homer, but trying to look at this unbiased. Just fun to spectulate.

 

[Hoss Style]

Final tally: 55.

Too bad the "stat whore" skipped the entire second half against Oakland.

You can bet your ### that if he hadn't gotten the passing yards record (he got it by 1 yard at the end of the first half) he would have come back out to get the record in the second half.

I'm not so sure. The record's not really his yet- it has to survive this week's stat corrections. All it takes is one pass being changed to a lateral, one receiver being ruled down a yard or two shorter than the official scorer had him at, and the record's gone. Manning's a really smart guy, he has to know this. If it was REALLY that important to Manning, you'd think he'd have added a bit of cushion.

This is 100% correct.

 

[ghostguy123]

Manning might just equal "Mr 2999".

RIP Bernie

 

[msommer]

I think Peyton wanted the 266 yards today. Does that make him a stat whore? Dunno, but I'd guess in his mind he has certainly shown he can take that record too.

Love that he took the other record to 55. Wade has got to be pissed now...

With that being said Peyton wants a ring more than anything else, so I'd guess he was asked whether he wanted to get on the field in the second half and he said no. Don't think he needs to prove anything to anyone other than himself any more - but possibly he wants to shut up his brother at family reunions...

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Manning could have thrown for another 200 yards and 4 more TDs in the second half if he really wanted to rack up the stats. But he was fine with 55 PaTD and the most passing yards in history...no need to pile on.

Next stop: Greatest of all time. All he needs to do in my mind is win the SB once more. Until he does that, it's a grey area (w/ Montana) for me.

He'll never be the greatest, he lost that along with Brady with all the post season losses.

These ridiculous stats this year and for years to come during the regular season mean nothing. I mean, it is fun to see but you can't compare these QBs to the Qbs in the 70s, 80s and 90s, it's a different game. The defense they play is a joke, the defensive rules are a joke. You want to protect everyone, fine. Post 6000 yards and 60 tds, whatever but the measuring stick for Qbs will always be SBs and Manning will always fall short in that area, especially to Montana who was perfect. There is no grey area, the regular season is not the post season and QBs are measured in the post season.

I am a big Peyton Manning fan but speak the truth.

I also will say the best regular season of any QB is of Tom Brady, he led his team to 16-0, there's nothing better. These stats now days are just pinball numbers. They don't play defense, teams quit, watching that game yesterday against Oakland in the first half was like rooting for a boxer continually punching a guy in the face who had his hands down. Sure, shame on Oakland for doing it but nonetheless it's what it was. They mailed that game in, Denver's D is not that good, I watched the Cowboys put 48 up on them and they aren't an iconic offense.

Peyton Manning is a great QB, he's earned that. He has flaws and this is the time of the season where you start to see them. I would be surprised if Denver wins the SB, and I think a lot of people feel the same way. When you put up the kind of offensive numbers Denver has, that tells you about what those numbers mean....very little in the post season.

 

[jurb26]

Passing stats in the NFL have gotten out of control. Of the 25 greatest passing yardage season in the history of the NFL, 19 of them have happened from 2000 to present. Worse yet, 13 of them have happened from 2010 to present.... The last last 4 years accounts for more than half of the top 25 passing seasons ever!

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_single_season.htm