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Yeah, I agree. I actually don't like the change. Change is part of life though, so I let it go and enjoy what we have now. I just think a lot of QBs from the past don't get their due, oftentimes, because of the inflated numbers nowadays.
The TD numbers aren't as bad, but they aren't much better either. 15 of the top 25 TD seasons are since 2000. 10 of the top 25 have happened since 2010. I'm not trying to diminish Manning's accomplishment. Maybe this deserves another thread. It was discussed in hear before however so I thought maybe I should post it here. Really i just started looking at this because I was looking at year end numbers and thought to myself that the passing numbers are ridiculous. Here is another one that kind of leads to how ridiculous it has become. There have only ever been 8 QBs to ever pass for 5k in the history of the NFL. Not only has Brees done it 3 years in a row but 6 of those 8 have occurred in just the past 3 years.
Chase Stuart has several posts about normalizing stats based on era over the years, spread over the old Pro-Football-Reference blog and his new FootballPerspective site. Here's his most recent, written last week after Manning got to 51.
Appreciated, thanks.
Ya, it's crazy. I am ready to start up a league with 3 point passing Tds, negative points if you don't throw for more than 220 yards or minus 4 for InTs and keep the tds at 6. The scoring is out of control. It takes 2 solid games by 2 rbs or a WR to equal Manning.
Agreed. When their careers are over, I expect Manning, Brady, and Rodgers to be locks for top 10 QBs of all time, with most lists probably having at least two of them in the top 5. And Brees would have an argument for top 10 as well.
at age 37 and after 4 neck surgeries as well. when ~2 or fewer than 2 years ago, people were seriously saying that he couldn't even throw a football to his left and there was question whether he would return to the field.
wins the SB and retires would be the easiest fix. He won't do it. He will play until his arm falls off I think.
Great post, but here's why I disagree with the part quoted above:
Denver didn't run up the score this year, though. Peyton Manning threw two touchdowns in the fourth quarter with a 3-score lead. The first came back in week 1, when Denver had a 17-point lead and 14 minutes left in the game. The second came against Houston, when Manning got his 51st touchdown before coming out of the game (which, admittedly, was running up the score by any reasonable definition I can think of). Every other touchdown on the season either came in the first three quarters (i.e. with a ton of football left to be played), or within 2 scores in the 4th quarter (and as New England demonstrated against Cleveland, a 2-score lead in the 4th quarter should never be considered safe).
I don't know if they will change it, but I think they should. That's pretty clearly a lateral, and if it were any other player on any other week, there'd be no question whatsoever that they'd change it. Would it suck for Manning? Sure. Sucks for Gronkowski that the NFL turned his 18-touchdown-reception season into a 17-touchdown-reception-and-1-touchdown-rush season, though he still got the touchdown receptions record. It's not the NFL's place to be playing favorites or making calls about who should or should not be the record holder.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed. One thing worth noting is that while passing numbers generally are crazy now, passing touchdowns aren't nearly as susceptible to inflation as things like yards or completion percentage. The league average isn't much higher now than it was in '84.
Ha ha! That's awesome. There is no chance that they don't change that to a rushing attempt. They don't change the way stats are recorded just because a record was set.
Lol you actually had a point until the end when you proclaimed your man love towards him. There are a ton of holes in your argument, but before I get to that let me say that Manning is a great quarterback one of the top 5 all time.
I can agree with that post if they would ahve simply played out the entire game and supported the statement of "you might as well continue to refine the passing game and not let off the gas....". And I could especially agree with it if they would have done it in a way where maybe they pull Moreno and give another RB some run and/or change out one of the WRs for a backup and keep the rest of the starters in. That kind of thing.. Anything except "pas,pass,pass,pass,pass, pass, break the record. Ok. everyobody get out of there." Just looked funny that way.
It looked funny because it looked like he was chasing a record... Because he was. I still don't get, though. Who cares is he was chasing the record? Why do Manning lovers feel the need to disguise it or justify it? Why do manning haters feel the need to point it out as some horrible act? This is what players get paid to do. Win games and entertain fans.
False. They played him until half time. If he cared about the passing yards record, he would have padded his stats in the 2nd half. He knows there are stat corrections all the time.
it's also pretty much how you play the game inside of 2 minutes. Yes the Broncos had a 24 point lead at that point, but you don't take your foot off the gas in the 1st half, you continue doing what you did to get you that 24 point lead.
I think Brees is better than both Rodgers and Brady and it's silly to separate him from the group.
Agreed. If you get to watch Brees, he is phenomenal. I don't think he's "better" than Brady, but if I was listing 3 guys, like the person you quoted did, I'd surely put Brees in place of Rodgers.
Wow, those are pretty high it seems.
I know this is supposed to flesh out your "stat-whore" narrative, but IMO this should have context by comparing with either NFL average QB's or some of Mannings peers.
Wouldn't conversion stats be relevant for these #s? Can we really blame him if he converted at like 75%, which I suspect he did
I won't lose too much sleep for Knowshon. He also could've been playing for a team without Peyton Manning. Instead of getting 300 touches on the most prolific offense in NFL history, he could've been just another guy on another team (not that he's not a fine RB, but there are a lot of those).
Where are you getting your stats from?
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm
You just helped his argument. Brady was a stat whore in 2007.
I think the only difference was everyone knew it too. Belchick was pissed about spy gate.
Exactly.
He's on record (repeatedly) that Manning is worse than Brady in this regard.
And so he is. Last I checked 16% was greater than 14%.And to be fair, I am on the record as also saying that all these guys are stat whores.
If by "all these guys", you mean all NFL QBs, then stats aren't going to help your argument. And if you'll concede that Peyton is 2% worse than Brady, I'd consider that a win.
