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Will Revis cover Welker and NOT Moss? (1 Viewer)

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rblee83

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It seems to be the conventional wisdom that Revis and Moss will be matched up all day on Sunday. This may not be the case, and may not be in the Jets best interest.

Last year in their second matchup, Welker scorched the Jets for 15 catches and over 150+ yards. After the game, Rex Ryan was saying that they couldn't stop Welker all day. As a Pats fan in New England, there has been a lot of talk about Revis going against Welker and Cromartie going against Moss with a safety over the top.

This might be the more logical game plan for the Jets as well, to double Moss all day, and try to eliminate Brady's safety outlet while sending overload blitzes to the left side, where their novice left guard, Dan Connolly, is playing in place of hold out Logan Mankins. Revis is the only DB the Jets have that can match up with Welker 1-on-1, so the only Patriots in single coverage would be Tate and their two rookie TEs.

Thoughts? How would this change the projections for Moss and Welker if this was the Jets game plan?

 
rblee83 said:
It seems to be the conventional wisdom that Revis and Moss will be matched up all day on Sunday. This may not be the case, and may not be in the Jets best interest.Last year in their second matchup, Welker scorched the Jets for 15 catches and over 150+ yards. After the game, Rex Ryan was saying that they couldn't stop Welker all day. As a Pats fan in New England, there has been a lot of talk about Revis going against Welker and Cromartie going against Moss with a safety over the top.This might be the more logical game plan for the Jets as well, to double Moss all day, and try to eliminate Brady's safety outlet while sending overload blitzes to the left side, where their novice left guard, Dan Connolly, is playing in place of hold out Logan Mankins. Revis is the only DB the Jets have that can match up with Welker 1-on-1, so the only Patriots in single coverage would be Tate and their two rookie TEs.Thoughts? How would this change the projections for Moss and Welker if this was the Jets game plan?
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I thoguht of this too but it doesnt change that much for Moss, but would obvoiusly reduce Welker a bit. If Revis puts Welker on his island then Moss gets double attention from the safety over top. Can he beat Cromartie + a safety? Maybe.
 
Revis Island has taken on some water this week with his bum wheel. I wouldn't be worried about starting either guy.

 
It's an interesting concept, but maybe I'm crazy. I just can't see why the Jets would use their best corner in the slot allowing Brady to open up the field.

 
welker will obliterate them if they don't do this.

double teaming moss should be effective but wouldnt really work against welker. forcing brady to beat them with his lesser players makes a lot of sense to me.

 
rblee83 said:
It seems to be the conventional wisdom that Revis and Moss will be matched up all day on Sunday. This may not be the case, and may not be in the Jets best interest.Last year in their second matchup, Welker scorched the Jets for 15 catches and over 150+ yards. After the game, Rex Ryan was saying that they couldn't stop Welker all day. As a Pats fan in New England, there has been a lot of talk about Revis going against Welker and Cromartie going against Moss with a safety over the top.This might be the more logical game plan for the Jets as well, to double Moss all day, and try to eliminate Brady's safety outlet while sending overload blitzes to the left side, where their novice left guard, Dan Connolly, is playing in place of hold out Logan Mankins. Revis is the only DB the Jets have that can match up with Welker 1-on-1, so the only Patriots in single coverage would be Tate and their two rookie TEs.Thoughts? How would this change the projections for Moss and Welker if this was the Jets game plan?
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Revis' strength is to cover the top wideout man to man. His skills aren't taken advantage of in in the slot. Think about the fact he was on Mason and not Boldin last week. I put the odds of Revis shadowing Moss and never leaving him the whole game as long they're both on the field at 99.9999999%. Not to mention Kyle Wilson's strength is covering the slot. I'm not saying Wilson will be able to stop Welker but that's one of the reasons they drafted him.
 
I think it would bump down Welker's value and bump up Moss's value, flip flopping how most people have them ranked for fantasy points right now.

 
FLORHAM PARK – Kyle Wilson has probably seen more film on Wes Welker than any player he has prepared to face in his football career, let alone his two weeks of pro ball.

The Jets are not saying whether the rookie cornerback from Piscataway will be the one exclusively following the Patriots’ standout slot receiver, but Wilson expects Tom Brady to come after him and to Welker early and likely often Sunday.

"Whatever happens, I’ve got to be surprised that the ball’s not coming my way," Wilson, 23, said after practice Friday. "It just comes back to me doing my job out there, whatever defense is called, just doing that to the best of my ability."

He paused before adding: "You’ve just got to keep your eyes [on Welker] and play until the whistle’s blown."
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http://www.northjersey.com/sports/10319174...all_Welker.html
 
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rblee83 said:
Wilson did not look ready for prime time last game, never mind covering the best slot receiver in the NFL
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Regardless of whether he's ready is a moot point since he's their best option. Would they rather be beat in the slot or have Wilson cover Moss?
 
Ok, Revis covers Welker, Moss has 300 Yds 3 Tds, Gronkowski has 25 Yds 2 Tds, Brady throws for 350 + 200 Penalty yards, best idea ever.

 
rizzler said:
wow.. you guys seem a little TOO sure that NE is just going to crap all over the NYJ
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The jets are not gonna beat any good teams who protect the ball this year. They're getting way to much hype for signing a second rate corner and having a bunch of weapons they can't get the ball to. Plus now Jenkins is out? Game over. The qb sucks, the offensive scheme sucks, defense can't do it all.
 
ThePittbully said:
rizzler said:
wow.. you guys seem a little TOO sure that NE is just going to crap all over the NYJ
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The jets are not gonna beat any good teams who protect the ball this year. They're getting way to much hype for signing a second rate corner and having a bunch of weapons they can't get the ball to. Plus now Jenkins is out? Game over. The qb sucks, the offensive scheme sucks, defense can't do it all.
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Ya, the Ravens in 2000 had an AMAZING offense.ps: I don't like the Jets.
 
I, for one, don't believe Revis can cover Welker in the slot. Revis is getting way too much love here. Yes, he is the best in the league, but that is on the outside man with the sideline to help him.

Welker is possibly the best utilized slot WR ever. I think we'd see a bloodbath if they tried this stunt.

 
honestly theres no real way to completely stop a guy like welker unless you devote too much attention to him, and then that would open u open to getting killed by a lot of big plays....u kind of just have to live with giving up a lot of short passes and be patient and tackle well and hope to break up enough plays to force punts or turnovers

 
rizzler said:
ThePittbully said:
rizzler said:
wow.. you guys seem a little TOO sure that NE is just going to crap all over the NYJ
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The jets are not gonna beat any good teams who protect the ball this year. They're getting way to much hype for signing a second rate corner and having a bunch of weapons they can't get the ball to. Plus now Jenkins is out? Game over. The qb sucks, the offensive scheme sucks, defense can't do it all.
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Ya, the Ravens in 2000 had an AMAZING offense.ps: I don't like the Jets.
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They had a better defense, a better running game, and, I'd say at this point, a better qb. Dilfer was no Montana but he was still better then what the jets currently haveAlso the game has changed since 2000. It's an offense dominated pass first league
 
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The Jets Pats games are usually pretty close and i dont think this game will be any different. Correct me if im wrong but didnt the Jets only lose to the ravens by 1 point last week while the Jets offense was non existant. The Jets defense commited a ton of penaltys but still only gave up 10 points which could have easily been 6 had Braylon Edwards just jumped from where he was standing instead of landing underneath the FG kickers leg. The same Ravens team (minus Boldin and Houshamanzadeh)that demolished the Pats in Foxborough in the playoffs last year? Hey i can see the Pats utilizing Welker and their new TEs and the Jets not being able to completely contain them but im not ready to say the Jets are going to roll over the way some of the posters in this thread are suggesting. Maybe im the only one not that impressed that the pats beat up a Bengal team that looked outmatched by the jets in back to back weeks during week 17 and the first round pof the playoffs

Welker is always a problem for the Jets the same way he is for everybody else in the league but that doesnt always translate to a NE win. Ive often wished the Jets would use Revis to shadow Welker instead of Moss but obviously that leaves Moss to abuse the likes of Cromartie and Eric Smith/Jim leonard. I think the Jets will use Revis to cover Moss the same way they did last year but we will see. Im expecting a good hard hitting game. Obviously Sanchez and Schottenheimer need to get it together or it will be ugly but im not quite ready to give up on the offense after their week one stinker against one of the best defenses in the league

 
pizzatyme said:
I, for one, don't believe Revis can cover Welker in the slot. Revis is getting way too much love here. Yes, he is the best in the league, but that is on the outside man with the sideline to help him. Welker is possibly the best utilized slot WR ever. I think we'd see a bloodbath if they tried this stunt.
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Couldn't agree more.
 
ThePittbully said:
rizzler said:
wow.. you guys seem a little TOO sure that NE is just going to crap all over the NYJ
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The jets are not gonna beat any good teams who protect the ball this year. They're getting way to much hype for signing a second rate corner and having a bunch of weapons they can't get the ball to. Plus now Jenkins is out? Game over. The qb sucks, the offensive scheme sucks, defense can't do it all.
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Sheesh, tell us how you really feel.Their offense will only get better, obviously, as they were absolutely pathetic. Shotty took a lot of the blame - as he should - but he won't have another pitiful game like that soon. Their corners will be ok, as their front 7 werent getting to the qb as quickly as they normally would. The Jets' second and third corners last year were nowhere near as talented as Cromartie and Wilson, whether you want to believe it or not. Jenkins was their best run stuffer, but not the be all end all. DeVito and Pouha are more than capable and will actually surprise people this year - each are very underrated.This game will likely not get out of the teens, though I do think the Pats probably win.
 
I've always proposed this as an option, but this week is certainly not the week to try it (with Revis allegedly not 100%).

And the truth is, we've never seen Revis consistently play a slot guy. Plus, the Jets entire defense is designed around Revis guarding an outside reciever. All the blitzes and cover schemes are based around the assumption that one side of the field will be 90% shut down.

So yeah, Welker is going to get his tomorrow unless Kyle Wilson and Antonio Cromartie play 20X better than they did last week.

All that being said, the Jets offense is going to be much better tomorrow. I hate the way Schottenheimer calls game, but i have to think the Jets will play much better. (could they really play worse?). The NE defense is not as good as Baltimore.

 
and as awful as it is to lose Jenkins, they played without Jenkins for almost all of last season. He's a difference maker and his injury kills the Jets depth. But the defensive line and the run defense as a whole will still be one of the best in the league (especially once Pace gets back in a few weeks).

And yes, i think New England wins tomorrow. But the idea that they're just gonna stomp the Jets into the ground is just stupid. One bad game (a 1 point loss to a team that DESTROYED the pats in the playoffs last year) doesn't mean the Jets season is over.

 
TLEF316 said:
and as awful as it is to lose Jenkins, they played without Jenkins for almost all of last season. He's a difference maker and his injury kills the Jets depth. But the defensive line and the run defense as a whole will still be one of the best in the league (especially once Pace gets back in a few weeks). And yes, i think New England wins tomorrow. But the idea that they're just gonna stomp the Jets into the ground is just stupid. One bad game (a 1 point loss to a team that DESTROYED the pats in the playoffs last year) doesn't mean the Jets season is over.
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But now they have people to throw the ball to. From the looks of it, it doesnt matter how good the defense is against the Jets offense.
 
rblee83 said:
Wilson did not look ready for prime time last game, never mind covering the best slot receiver in the NFL
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Wilson is much better off covering a WR his size in tight coverage than covering a Tall fast WR down the field. I also thought he looked pretty good last week but, naturally lost a few times to Boldin.This is why they drafted Wilson.Should be a fun matchup to watch.....
 
TLEF316 said:
All that being said, the Jets offense is going to be much better tomorrow. I hate the way Schottenheimer calls game, but i have to think the Jets will play much better. (could they really play worse?).
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Yes, Sanchize will throw 2 of his 20 picks. Belichick is a master of f'n with young QBs.
 
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Jets NEED to win this game.

This is a division game and why Ryan was brought here.

As a Pats fan, I'm confident, but I could easily see the Jets winning this game.

LOTS of rhetoric flying around in here...about the only thing you can count on is that it will be an entertaining game.

Odds are very, very low that NE wins in a blowout, imo.

NE 24

Jets 17

 
Otis said:
NE 21, Jets 10Take the under with confidence, and take the Pats to cover big time
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NYJ 24 NE 17Rex finds the weakness in the NE OL and the NYJ sack Brady 4x. Cromartie returns a pick 6. Sanchez throws for 230 yards 1 TD / LT scores on a Long Screen pass. Greene also gets a TD.Last week the Jets offense respected the Ravens D way too much and never even took a shot, made 101 mistakes and still just lost to one of the best teams in the NFL by 1 point. Meh.
 
Reaper said:
Otis said:
NE 21, Jets 10Take the under with confidence, and take the Pats to cover big time
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NYJ 24 NE 17Rex finds the weakness in the NE OL and the NYJ sack Brady 4x. Cromartie returns a pick 6. Sanchez throws for 230 yards 1 TD / LT scores on a Long Screen pass. Greene also gets a TD.Last week the Jets offense respected the Ravens D way too much and never even took a shot, made 101 mistakes and still just lost to one of the best teams in the NFL by 1 point. Meh.
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They may have only lost by one point but it was quite apparent that they were utterly dominated by the Ravens.Their scoring drives were 6 yards, 27 yards, and 5 yards. They had 2.9 yards per pass. Lmao.
 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Jets NEED to win this game.
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The day the schedule came out I looked at the Jets schedule and said... ANY TEAM in the NFL could start out 0-3 with those 1st three games....While Rex throws a ton and a half of Bluster around... Deep down, he's Lifelong FOOTBALL COACH.... He coaches a game, goes into his lab and comes up with a game plan each week... Like Bellichik he studies the opponent and his players are excited to hear what he has come up with for the week.....The Jets NEED to win this game???.. Then, regardless, they NEED to win In Miami the next week.... Play Buffalo the following week and you NEED to be At least 2-2.. And go on from there. After that I see 8 winable games.I just think they need to play good football... Play a good game and take a major step in putting some point on the board and controlling the clock.
 
pizzatyme said:
I, for one, don't believe Revis can cover Welker in the slot. Revis is getting way too much love here. Yes, he is the best in the league, but that is on the outside man with the sideline to help him. Welker is possibly the best utilized slot WR ever. I think we'd see a bloodbath if they tried this stunt.
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I was thinking the same. This isn't Revis' strength. I think if they tried this, Revis would be a fish out of water, and Welker would clown him all game..
 
I'm starting to see why Sanchez is so highly regraded by NYJ fans. They all (conveniently) pin it on Shottenheimer.

Bad news guys - your quarterback stinks.

 
Cassius said:
I'm starting to see why Sanchez is so highly regraded by NYJ fans. They all (conveniently) pin it on Shottenheimer.Bad news guys - your quarterback stinks.
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That game plan was just horrible.You're playing a team with a weakness at CB and one of the best front 7's in the league. You have to find a way to take a shot down the field, even for the shot at a PI call.... As for Sanchez.. We'll see. To me, Half the battle is having a QB that lives and breathes the game and put's the work in. Mark does that.Another big factor is staying healthy.
 
Reaper said:
Cassius said:
I'm starting to see why Sanchez is so highly regraded by NYJ fans. They all (conveniently) pin it on Shottenheimer.Bad news guys - your quarterback stinks.
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That game plan was just horrible.You're playing a team with a weakness at CB and one of the best front 7's in the league. You have to find a way to take a shot down the field, even for the shot at a PI call.... As for Sanchez.. We'll see. To me, Half the battle is having a QB that lives and breathes the game and put's the work in. Mark does that.Another big factor is staying healthy.
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Being good is also usually a big help.
 
shnikies said:
rblee83 said:
It seems to be the conventional wisdom that Revis and Moss will be matched up all day on Sunday. This may not be the case, and may not be in the Jets best interest.Last year in their second matchup, Welker scorched the Jets for 15 catches and over 150+ yards. After the game, Rex Ryan was saying that they couldn't stop Welker all day. As a Pats fan in New England, there has been a lot of talk about Revis going against Welker and Cromartie going against Moss with a safety over the top.This might be the more logical game plan for the Jets as well, to double Moss all day, and try to eliminate Brady's safety outlet while sending overload blitzes to the left side, where their novice left guard, Dan Connolly, is playing in place of hold out Logan Mankins. Revis is the only DB the Jets have that can match up with Welker 1-on-1, so the only Patriots in single coverage would be Tate and their two rookie TEs.Thoughts? How would this change the projections for Moss and Welker if this was the Jets game plan?
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Revis' strength is to cover the top wideout man to man. His skills aren't taken advantage of in in the slot. Think about the fact he was on Mason and not Boldin last week. I put the odds of Revis shadowing Moss and never leaving him the whole game as long they're both on the field at 99.9999999%. Not to mention Kyle Wilson's strength is covering the slot. I'm not saying Wilson will be able to stop Welker but that's one of the reasons they drafted him.
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This was my first thought also on seeing the thread title. Revis uses that arm bar to great effect on receivers running up the field, and I don't think he's going to be able to use that as much on the kind of routes that Welker would be running. Not without getting called for holding.
 
I think it makes more sense to put Revis on Welker and Cromartie on Moss. Cromartie has the ability to cover Moss on fly routes; his weakness is covering underneath stuff, and Mss doesn't do that much. Revis is better suited to cover Welker.

We'll see what happens.

 
Cassius said:
Reaper said:
Cassius said:
I'm starting to see why Sanchez is so highly regraded by NYJ fans. They all (conveniently) pin it on Shottenheimer.Bad news guys - your quarterback stinks.
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That game plan was just horrible.You're playing a team with a weakness at CB and one of the best front 7's in the league. You have to find a way to take a shot down the field, even for the shot at a PI call.... As for Sanchez.. We'll see. To me, Half the battle is having a QB that lives and breathes the game and put's the work in. Mark does that.Another big factor is staying healthy.
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Being good is also usually a big help.
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Breathtaking analysis here. Yeah, Monday night was painfully ugly. it was as bad an offensive performance as I've ever seen. The game plan was crap. The QB played like crap. The O-line didn't block. The DB's committed stupid penalties all game long. And after all that, the Jets were down 1 with 1:50 to go with a chance to win the game. If they had even lucked into 2 completions, they would have had the opportunity to kick a game winning FG.The team they played punked the Patriots by 19 points in Gillette back in January. It was 24-0 after the first quarter. Yes, I'm aware that Welker is back now. I realize that the Jets haven't shut up all off-season. So they thoroughly deserve every piece of criticism (rational or otherwise) that they're receiving right now. But beating the Bengals (who the Jets trounced twice to end their season last year) doesn't make the Pats some sort of super team all of a sudden. They've got a tremendous passing and game and an all time great coach. But they are very beatable, even with Sanchez at QB. Hell, it happened last year.....in his 2nd start.
 
New York Jets CB Darrelle Revis may spend time covering both New England Patriots WR Randy Moss and WR Wes Welker during Week 2, reports Manish Mehta, of The New York Daily News. The Jets may put Revis on Welker, who the Jets perceive as the Patriots' No. 1 offensive threat, depending on the down and the distance. On plays that Revis covers Welker, Jets CB Antonio Cromartie would shadow Moss with help from a safety.

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Rotoworld

Wes Welker-WR-Patriots Sep. 19 - 8:31 am et

According to Jets beat writer Manish Mehta, the team will have CB Darrelle Revis matchup with Wes Welker depending on the down and distance.

Revis will be responsible for WR Randy Moss when he's not on Welker. It remains to be seen just how often Revis will shift wide receivers, and the team has given no indication as to how much time Revis would spend on each. Both will have plenty of chances to line up across from Antonio Cromartie, and they remains strong WR2 plays.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...and.html?page=2

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...vis_island.html

 
rblee83 said:
It seems to be the conventional wisdom that Revis and Moss will be matched up all day on Sunday. This may not be the case, and may not be in the Jets best interest.Last year in their second matchup, Welker scorched the Jets for 15 catches and over 150+ yards. After the game, Rex Ryan was saying that they couldn't stop Welker all day. As a Pats fan in New England, there has been a lot of talk about Revis going against Welker and Cromartie going against Moss with a safety over the top.This might be the more logical game plan for the Jets as well, to double Moss all day, and try to eliminate Brady's safety outlet while sending overload blitzes to the left side, where their novice left guard, Dan Connolly, is playing in place of hold out Logan Mankins. Revis is the only DB the Jets have that can match up with Welker 1-on-1, so the only Patriots in single coverage would be Tate and their two rookie TEs.Thoughts? How would this change the projections for Moss and Welker if this was the Jets game plan?
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Some people on Sirrius radio agree with you. It makes more sense.
 
Escaping Revis Island A Key To Moss' Future?

Written By Bob Harris

Following up on an item in this week's Team Notes. ... Randy Moss wants to play for the New England Patriots after his contract ends this season. He made that clear with his comments this week.

But as Yahoo! Sports columnist Dan Wetzel pointed out, Bill Belichick doesn’t hand out new deals for sentimental reasons. Per Wetzel, "The coach is a what-can-you-do-for-me-tomorrow kind of guy. He’s made that clear with years of personnel decisions."

Wetzel went on to note that Moss is 33, an age when a receiver’s foot-speed can slow considerably. As much value as he brings to the Patriots’ offense – 47 touchdowns in the past three seasons – its reasonable to assume Belichick is taking a wait-and-see approach with Moss' desire for an extension.

This makes today’s game at the New York Jets so important, not just for the Patriots but also for Moss’ career.

The Jets’ star defensive back, Darrelle Revis, is waiting. No time like now for Moss to begin convincing Belichick he still has it. In two games against Revis last season, Moss had just nine receptions for 58 yards and one touchdown.

I’ve already shown I can play at a high level at age 33,” Moss said. “For me to be offered a contract after the season is over, I think that would be a smack in my face. So I don’t want to [go through that].”

Actually Moss has shown he can play at a high level at age 32. This year is a work in progress (five catches, 59 yards in the Pats’ season-opening victory over Cincinnati.) The trick is making Belichick believe he can continue doing it at 34, 35 and so on.

While Wetzel concedes that one game won’t determine that, staying off “Revis Island” may be the key to Moss staying in New England.

That might be easier than most of us expected, however.

Sources told New York Daily News staffer Manish Mehta about a potential scenario where Revis will cover Wes Welker – not Moss – to take away what the Jets perceive to be the Patriots' No. 1 offensive threat. The Revis-Welker matchup will be driven by down and distance.

It's likely that the Jets All-Pro cornerback will have his cracks at both of Tom Brady's top two receivers.

 
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