Will Warner make the HOF? (1 Viewer)

[Autumn Wind]

Leinart wasn't so hot at the helm (and Plummer when he had good weapons), so clearly not anyone can or did make it work in Arizona.Good WR's don't make a QB, though it certainly helps.

Was just going to post the same thing. Giving some schmo off the street a high-powered rifle doesn't make him a marksman. There's got to be talent there too.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Leinart wasn't so hot at the helm (and Plummer when he had good weapons), so clearly not anyone can or did make it work in Arizona.Good WR's don't make a QB, though it certainly helps.

Although no one was signing Warner's praises in '05 when he went 2-8 as a starter in the Desert.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

Leinart wasn't so hot at the helm (and Plummer when he had good weapons), so clearly not anyone can or did make it work in Arizona.Good WR's don't make a QB, though it certainly helps.

Although no one was signing Warner's praises in '05 when he went 2-8 as a starter in the Desert.

Actually, the vibe in Arizona was more positive than you let on. What's more, they signed him to a lucrative deal after that same year. Now of course, I don't think anyone here is suggesting Warner has played at a "great" level his whole career, or that particular season. And Warner has had fumbling issues on top of all that. But.. he did play reasonably well in 2005, considering he was learning a new offense, he incurred injuries that kept him out of the lineup, had Green stupidly give McCown his job for 2 weeks, and had a line that couldn't run the ball. If he played a full season he probably would have put up 20+ TDs. The 2-8 start was partly due to his play, but also because they had one of the league's worst defenses and poor coaching.In some respects, I think the knock against Warner -- his up and down 2002- 2005 seasons -- actually works in his favor. To overcome what he's been through (both from his own doings and that of management) and return to elite status is something few if any players have done.

 

[gianmarco]

Warner > Manning?

Kurt Warner did more than lift the historically dysfunctional Cardinals franchise into its first Super Bowl on Sunday. He also lifted himself past the Chosen One, Peyton Manning, to right behind Tom Brady on the list of the best quarterbacks in the NFL today.

His performance against Philly in the NFC title game was classic big-game Warner, the type we've rarely seen out of Manning in the playoffs. The Eagles entered the NFC title game with one of the league's best defenses: they ranked fourth in scoring (289 points allowed) and fifth in defensive passer rating (72.9).

It didn't matter.

Warner torched this stingy unit, completing 21 of 28 passes (75 percent) for 279 yards, 9.96 yards per attempt, four touchdowns, no interceptions and a 145.7 passer rating.

It was a nearly perfect statistical game. In fact, over the course of the game, Warner jumped past Joe Montana and into second place on the all-time postseason passer rating list: Warner now boasts a 97.3 postseason passer rating; Montana, 95.6. Only the great Bart Starr was better in the playoffs (104.8).

That's not to say Warner is a better quarterback than Montana. He's not. Montana did it over more games and was nearly flawless in four Super Bowl victories. But it does tell us that Warner's performances over his unusual 11-year NFL career have been nothing less than historic in their nature.

It also tells us that Warner is better than Manning.

The similarities

There are a surprising number of similarities between Manning and Warner.

They both joined the NFL in 1998. They both spent the bulk of their careers playing in domes, giving them plenty of opportunity to cook up fat, juicy stats. And both were often surrounded by great offensive talent. Hell, both of them played with Marshall Faulk and Edgerrin James.

The similarities are apparent in the Cold, Hard Football Facts, too:

• Manning is second in NFL history with a 94.7 career passer rating.

• Warner is third in NFL history with a 93.8 career passer rating.

The two are tight as ticks statistically in the regular season.

The differences

Yet there are two major differences between Warner and Manning. They are differences that tell us Warner is the better quarterback even as the misguiding light called reputation says otherwise.

First, Manning was anointed for his greatness as early as high school and the reputation followed him to the University of Tennessee and into the pros, while Warner followed an unusual path from small college (Northern Iowa) to second-rate pro leagues before injury handed him a shot in the NFL. Warner simply doesn't carry the same perception in the eyes of the pigskin public, even as the Cold, Hard Football Facts demand that he deserves the same Manning-style exaltation.

Second, when it comes to all-important postseason play, there is no comparison: Warner is better than Manning any which way you want to slice it or dice it.

Warner in the postseason (10 games):

230 of 360 (63.9 percent), 2,991 yards, 8.31 YPA, 299 yards per game, 23 TD, 12 INT, 97.3 passer rating.

Manning in the postseason (15 games):

348 of 565 (61.6 percent), 4,207 yards, 7.4 YPA, 280 yards per game, 22 TD, 17 INT, 84.9 passer rating.

You'll notice Warner is better than Manning in almost every single efficiency stat and has actually thrown more postseason TD passes than Manning (23 to 22) -- despite playing in five fewer games.

You'll also notice Warner's postseason passer rating (97.3) is higher than his regular-season passer rating (93.8), while Manning's postseason passer rating (84.9) is significantly lower than his regular-season passer rating (94.7).

In other words, Warner's play improves in the postseason pressure cooker. Manning's performances plummet.

Three other things to consider:

1) Warner is much more likely to play well in the postseason. Warner produced a passer rating of 90.0 or better in six of 10 postseason games. Manning produced a passer rating of 90.0 or better in six of 15 postseason games.

2) Warner is far less likely to lay an egg in the postseason. Manning has played his worst statistical game of the year in the playoffs in 1999, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2006 (as measured by passer rating). Three times in 15 playoff games Manning has posted a passer rating of less than 40 (compared with just twice in 176 regular season games).

Warner has never performed so poorly in the playoffs. In his worst statistical game, his passer rating was 56.2.

3) Most importantly, Warner's teams are much more likely to win the playoffs. Warner's teams are 8-2 in postseason play. Manning's Colts are 7-8 in postseason play. In all of history, only Brady (14-3; .824) and Starr (9-1; .900) boast better postseason records than Warner.

Warner is also gearing up for his third Super Bowl start. The list of quarterbacks who have started more is short: John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Kelly, Montana and Brady.

So what we have in Warner is a quarterback who's as good statistically as anyone who's ever played the position. He's also a two-time MVP, a Super Bowl champion and a Super Bowl MVP.

He'll soon join the short list of quarterbacks who have started three Super Bowls and he's on an even shorter list -- a list that includes only him -- of quarterbacks who got to those three Super Bowls with two different teams (Craig Morton only started two Super Bowls for two teams, Dallas and Denver).

More remarkable is that Warner has done it with historically dysfunctional organizations. Before Warner took them to the big game, the Rams had reached just one Super Bowl (XIV) in their history, including their time in Los Angeles. Warner led the franchise to its only Super Bowl victory and to its first NFL title since 1951. The Rams have fallen off the face of the earth since he left.

Reaching this year's Super Bowl with the 9-7, defensively deficient Cardinals is nothing short of a miracle. The Cardinals are easily the worst franchise in league history: they had won just two playoff games in their first 88 years of NFL football. Yet they've won three playoff games this month alone, and they head to the Super Bowl with what's easily the worst defense (426 points allowed) of any conference champion in league history.

For his part, Manning remains the Picasso of Choke Artists and the master of the one-and-done. Six times in nine visits his vaunted Colts have exited the playoffs without a single victory and he's underperformed almost each and every time.

Given Manning's and Warner's career accomplishments, we'd take Warner over Manning to lead our team six days a week and certainly on Sunday -- especially if that Sunday is in January.

 

[Sheriff66]

MMQB Mailbag: Big Ben back on big stage; arguing Warner's HOF status

 

[Vladislav Tretiak]

For several years he may have been the best who ever played. Still, keeping guys like Warner OUT of the HOF gives the Hall of Fame that much more credibility. He is great player who has had a very good career. And very good careers do not land someone in Canton.

Now if he wins the Super Bowl with the Cardnials - he should be a shoe in.

Warren Moon down?

Moon made 9 Pro Bowls; Warner made 3.

Please please pleasePro Bowls should mean nothing.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Pro Bowls should mean nothing.

x 1,000

 

[Vladislav Tretiak]

Once Marcus Allen got into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot despite only have 1 great season, 2 good seasons, and a bunch of mediocre crap, I decided that they would let anyone in.

Marcus Allen had 10+ TDs seven times. He was top-4 in yards from scrimmage 3 times (#1 twice), and top-10 three additional times. He was a first-team All-Pro twice and went to 6 Pro Bowls.The reason no one agrees with you is that you're wrong.

Should he be in the Hall of Fame? SureFirst ballot? That I don't agree with

 

[Doug B]

In some respects, I think the knock against Warner -- his up and down 2002- 2005 seasons -- actually works in his favor. To overcome what he's been through (both from his own doings and that of management) and return to elite status is something few if any players have done.

In many ways, Warner is our era's Fran Tarkenton. Not a 100% down the line comparison, but it works on a lot of levels.

 

[Vladislav Tretiak]

Pro Bowls should mean nothing.

x 1,000

Brett Favre is a Pro Bowler this year.He is the 18th rated QB in the NFLHe is third rated in his division

 

[Chase Stuart]

In some respects, I think the knock against Warner -- his up and down 2002- 2005 seasons -- actually works in his favor. To overcome what he's been through (both from his own doings and that of management) and return to elite status is something few if any players have done.

In many ways, Warner is our era's Fran Tarkenton. Not a 100% down the line comparison, but it works on a lot of levels.

They strike me as much more different than similar. In what ways do you see them the same?

 

[Sheriff66]

In some respects, I think the knock against Warner -- his up and down 2002- 2005 seasons -- actually works in his favor. To overcome what he's been through (both from his own doings and that of management) and return to elite status is something few if any players have done.

In many ways, Warner is our era's Fran Tarkenton. Not a 100% down the line comparison, but it works on a lot of levels.

They strike me as much more different than similar. In what ways do you see them the same?

Agreed, Tarkenton was more of a scrambler, Big Ben type playmaker while Warner is the pocket passer.

 

[David Yudkin]

I took a quick look at games played for the existing crop of HOF QBs and Warner definitiely is way on the low side. He's now played in 110 games. From what I can tell, there are only are only 4 players that played in fewer games, but there are true old timers from many moons ago. (Note that all games played totals are regular season only.)

Most of the more modern QBs played in almost twice as many games as Warner, so that may be a big obstacle for him. Of the post-merger HOFers, Staubach had the lowest GP total with 131. Next on the list is Kelly with 160. That could be an issue for the old vanguard voters.

 

[Koya]

I took a quick look at games played for the existing crop of HOF QBs and Warner definitiely is way on the low side. He's now played in 110 games. From what I can tell, there are only are only 4 players that played in fewer games, but there are true old timers from many moons ago. (Note that all games played totals are regular season only.)Most of the more modern QBs played in almost twice as many games as Warner, so that may be a big obstacle for him. Of the post-merger HOFers, Staubach had the lowest GP total with 131. Next on the list is Kelly with 160. That could be an issue for the old vanguard voters.

I think the low number of games played may actually help Warner in his very unique case. It is not as if he was drafted high, struggled, sat on the bench, then got another chance and become a star. He was never given a chance, and when he finally did, the guy stepped in to have a handful of the best offensive seasons ever seen at the position.One could just as easily say that had Warner been given the shot earlier, and you add even 30 games to the total (still would be on the low side) during his prime, how many more TDs are we talking? 60+ ? And the yards... his is truly a unique career in terms of how it will be judged, with such a late start.

 

[Die]

Let's look at it from this angle. How poorly must Kurt Warner perform going forward to damage his chances?

 

[Doug B]

In some respects, I think the knock against Warner -- his up and down 2002- 2005 seasons -- actually works in his favor. To overcome what he's been through (both from his own doings and that of management) and return to elite status is something few if any players have done.

In many ways, Warner is our era's Fran Tarkenton. Not a 100% down the line comparison, but it works on a lot of levels.

They strike me as much more different than similar. In what ways do you see them the same?

Agreed, Tarkenton was more of a scrambler, Big Ben type playmaker while Warner is the pocket passer.

Not in style of play -- I meant in the sense of being Comeback Kids in the latter parts of their careers. Tarkenton has those lost years with the Giants much like Warner.

 

[cstu]

I took a quick look at games played for the existing crop of HOF QBs and Warner definitiely is way on the low side. He's now played in 110 games. From what I can tell, there are only are only 4 players that played in fewer games, but there are true old timers from many moons ago. (Note that all games played totals are regular season only.)Most of the more modern QBs played in almost twice as many games as Warner, so that may be a big obstacle for him. Of the post-merger HOFers, Staubach had the lowest GP total with 131. Next on the list is Kelly with 160. That could be an issue for the old vanguard voters.

He's had a strange career, but it seems odd to not have a guy be a HOF'er when he's been NFL MVP twice (and contended for a 3rd this year), SB MVP, produced a couple all-time QB seasons and led a perennial loser to another SB. If he wins the SB again, it would be crazy to leave him out.

 

[teamroc]

Once Marcus Allen got into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot despite only have 1 great season, 2 good seasons, and a bunch of mediocre crap, I decided that they would let anyone in.

Marcus Allen had 10+ TDs seven times. He was top-4 in yards from scrimmage 3 times (#1 twice), and top-10 three additional times. He was a first-team All-Pro twice and went to 6 Pro Bowls.The reason no one agrees with you is that you're wrong.

Should he be in the Hall of Fame? SureFirst ballot? That I don't agree with

You're a HOFer or you're not. There's no special "first ballot". That's why people screw up the vote, they play games like that with the vote.Hof yes or no. Period. I hate when ##### bag writers act like a vote on the 1st try is special, and that they save it. *lol* Just place your freaking vote and go back to eating pizza and donuts. Ah yes, Warner is a fine wine, in 5 years he'll taste much better! Then he'll get my vote.

 

[SR388]

He wins this there is zero doubt. For the guys saying he hasn't played enough games, without looking, I bet Young didn't have many more then Warner has, and he's not finished yet.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

He wins this there is zero doubt. For the guys saying he hasn't played enough games, without looking, I bet Young didn't have many more then Warner has, and he's not finished yet.

I looked not even close. Warner would have to play 4 season more to equal Young in games played. I don't think Warner should make the HOF, just not good enough. He's had 3 good years and 1 great year. So NO.

 

[cvnpoka]

Tom Brady: 111 starts, 63.0 comp%, 26446 yards, 197 td, 86 int, 7.2 ypa, 92.9 rating

Kurt Warner:101 starts, 65.4 comp%, 28591 yards, 182 td, 114 int, 8.0 ypa, 93.8 rating

This was the EXACT comparison I was going to make.

except it doesnt take into account fumbles. warner is a fumble machine. ok, anyway, i think warner deserves is and is potential first ballot but i think brady and manning are clearly better and have had clearly better careers.

i heard simmons and lombardi talk about warner and they said if he wins this super bowl they would consider putting him in the hof. now, thats not to say these guys are experts (lombardi may be, obv simmons isnt) but i think its representative of how many in the football media and community feel about warner. i disagree with them, but it still shows that warner is no lock.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Let's look at it from this angle. How poorly must Kurt Warner perform going forward to damage his chances?

That's a good question to ask here. Imo, if he loses the SB this year and fails to make another SB appearance, and possibly win it, his chances are iffy.He really needs to "complete the comeback", due to his off years, to get in the psyche of the HoF voters...Edited to add: this is why I'm really looking forward to the SB this year...a significant win for either franchise, and for either QB as well...

 

[Toads]

Let's look at it from this angle. How poorly must Kurt Warner perform going forward to damage his chances?

That's a good question to ask here. Imo, if he loses the SB this year and fails to make another SB appearance, and possibly win it, his chances are iffy.He really needs to "complete the comeback", due to his off years, to get in the psyche of the HoF voters...

Edited to add: this is why I'm really looking forward to the SB this year...a significant win for either franchise, and for either QB as well...

Agreed.I really like the angle of Whisenhunt connection to PIT's DEF, that he'll be able to game plan to beat that DEF.

Polamalu's INT last week was a classic, where he read the QB's (Rookie's) eye's and keyed the read into the game winning INT. We're talking a classic battle.....a savey QB vs. a team, and a DEF Coordinator, keyed to the schemed blitz package.

Two weeks to prepare = advantage Warner, who eat's up the blitz because he knows where to go with the ball.

This will be a classic game and it mirrors the SB where Elway's broncos were 13 pt. dogs to GBP. Watch the Polamalu vs. Warner battle: where Polamalu is on the field dictates the QB's read. Where Fitzgerald is on the field will probably dictate where Polamalu is....how the DEF handles Fitzgerald will dictate how Warner distributes the ball.

Two important players are Boldin and Hines Ward. If Ward is diminshed and Boldin gets a lot of balls due to the "Fitz Effect".....those two players, with there abilities and disabilites, become important chess pieces. If Ward can't go, that leaves Washington as the #2 WR for PIT and he has some talent, when called on.

No matter what happens, Warner's a shoe in....just because of his wife and her influence on his career. Heck, Brenda should be the first women in the Hall!

 

[fsufan]

did not want to start a Warner thread so I will just use this one

got this email from the wife. if is true

KURTIS THE STOCK BOY

AND

BRENDA THE CHECKOUT GIRL

In a supermarket, Kurtis the stock boy, was busily working when a new voice

came over the loud speaker asking for a carry out at register 4. Kurtis was

almost finished, and wanted to get some fresh air, and decided to answer the

call. As he approached the check-out stand a distant smile caught his eye, the

new check-out girl was beautiful. She was an older woman (maybe 26, and he was

only 22) and he fell in love.

Later that day, after his shift was over, he waited by the punch clock to find

out her name. She came into the break room, smiled softly at him, took her card

and punched out, then left. He looked at her card, BRENDA. He walked out only

to see her start walking up the road. Next day, he waited outside as she left

the supermarket, and offered her a ride home. He looked harmless enough, and she

accepted. When he dropped her off, he asked if maybe he could see her again,

outside of work. She simply said it wasn't possible.

He pressed and she explained she had two children and she couldn't afford a

baby-sitter, so he offered to pay for the baby-sitter. Reluctantly she accepted

his offer for a date for the following Saturday. That Saturday night he arrived

at her door only to have her tell him that she was unable to go with him. The

baby-sitter had called and canceled. To which Kurtis simply said, "Well,

let's take the kids with us."

She tried to explain that taking the children was not an option, but again not

taking no for an answer, he pressed. Finally Brenda, brought him inside to meet

her children. She had an older daughter who was just as cute as a bug, Kurtis

thought, then Brenda brought out her son, in a wheelchair. He was born a

paraplegic with Down Syndrome.

Kurtis asked Brenda, "I still don't understand why the kids can't

come with us?" Brenda was amazed. Most men would run away from a woman

with two kids, especially if one had disabilities - just like her first husband

and father of her children had done. Kurtis was not ordinary - - - he had a

different mindset.

That evening Kurtis and Brenda loaded up the kids, went to dinner and the

movies. When her son needed anything Kurtis would take care of him. When he

needed to use the restroom, he picked him up out of his wheelchair, took him and

brought him back. The kids loved Kurtis. At the end of the evening, Brenda

knew this was the man she was going to marry and spend the rest of her life

with.

A year later, they were married and Kurtis adopted both of her children.

Since then they have added two more kids.

So what happened to Kurtis the stock boy and Brenda the check-out girl? Well,

Mr. & Mrs. Kurt Warner now live in Arizona , where he is currently employed

as the quarterback of the National Football League Arizona Cardinals and has his

Cardinals in the hunt for a possible appearance in the Super Bowl. Is this a

surprise ending or could you have guessed that he was not an ordinary person.

It should be noted that he also quarterbacked the Rams in Super Bowl XXXVI. He has also been the NFL's Most Valuable Player twice and the Super Bowl's Most Valuable Player.

 

[Koya]

Let's look at it from this angle. How poorly must Kurt Warner perform going forward to damage his chances?

That's a good question to ask here. Imo, if he loses the SB this year and fails to make another SB appearance, and possibly win it, his chances are iffy.He really needs to "complete the comeback", due to his off years, to get in the psyche of the HoF voters...

Edited to add: this is why I'm really looking forward to the SB this year...a significant win for either franchise, and for either QB as well...

Agreed.I really like the angle of Whisenhunt connection to PIT's DEF, that he'll be able to game plan to beat that DEF.

Polamalu's INT last week was a classic, where he read the QB's (Rookie's) eye's and keyed the read into the game winning INT. We're talking a classic battle.....a savey QB vs. a team, and a DEF Coordinator, keyed to the schemed blitz package.

Two weeks to prepare = advantage Warner, who eat's up the blitz because he knows where to go with the ball.

This will be a classic game and it mirrors the SB where Elway's broncos were 13 pt. dogs to GBP. Watch the Polamalu vs. Warner battle: where Polamalu is on the field dictates the QB's read. Where Fitzgerald is on the field will probably dictate where Polamalu is....how the DEF handles Fitzgerald will dictate how Warner distributes the ball.

Two important players are Boldin and Hines Ward. If Ward is diminshed and Boldin gets a lot of balls due to the "Fitz Effect".....those two players, with there abilities and disabilites, become important chess pieces. If Ward can't go, that leaves Washington as the #2 WR for PIT and he has some talent, when called on.

No matter what happens, Warner's a shoe in....just because of his wife and her influence on his career. Heck, Brenda should be the first women in the Hall!

One way to avoid Polamalu is to throw a good short slant on the opposite side of the field to Boldin and chuck it deep, ANYWHERE to Fitz. Fitz for a jump ball neutralizes Pola.

 

[Jayrod]

She tried to explain that taking the children was not an option, but again not

taking no for an answer, he pressed. Finally Brenda, brought him inside to meet

her children. She had an older daughter who was just as cute as a bug, Kurtis

thought, then Brenda brought out her son, in a wheelchair. He was born a

paraplegic with Down Syndrome.

I don't know about the rest of the story, but the bolded is not true. While the son is mentally handicapped, it's not Down Syndrome and he has all of his limbs.I can confirm that Kurt adopted Brenda's kids and that she is older than him.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

She tried to explain that taking the children was not an option, but again not

taking no for an answer, he pressed. Finally Brenda, brought him inside to meet

her children. She had an older daughter who was just as cute as a bug, Kurtis

thought, then Brenda brought out her son, in a wheelchair. He was born a

paraplegic with Down Syndrome.

I don't know about the rest of the story, but the bolded is not true. While the son is mentally handicapped, it's not Down Syndrome and he has all of his limbs.I can confirm that Kurt adopted Brenda's kids and that she is older than him.

Earth to Jayrod: paraplegic doesn't mean you are missing limbs. It means you can't move your legs.

 

[dgreen]

I'm a big Warner supporter when it comes to the HOF. I just realized a pretty interesting stat in regards to Warner. I haven't read this whole thread so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned her (or anywhere else).

Year: Games started

1998: 0

1999: 16

2000: 11

2001: 16

2002: 6

2003: 1

2004: 9

2005: 10

2006: 5

2007: 11

2008: 16

It's pretty interesting what two things those three bolded seasons have in common: 16 games and Super Bowls. Those are the only three years Warner was the team's starting QB for a full season and each season his team made the SB.

 

[moleculo]

another interesting nugget: KW has made it to the SB with three different head coaches.

Pretty sure that's never been done before.

 

[Ghost Rider]

another interesting nugget: KW has made it to the SB with three different head coaches.Pretty sure that's never been done before.

Hmmm, that is an interest stat I hadn't thought of. I wonder if any other QB has been to the Super Bowl or NFL championship game with three different head coaches.

 

[dgreen]

another interesting nugget: KW has made it to the SB with three different head coaches.Pretty sure that's never been done before.

Hmmm, that is an interest stat I hadn't thought of. I wonder if any other QB has been to the Super Bowl or NFL championship game with three different head coaches.

Off the top of my head, I know Montana, Elway, Aikman, and Morton (2 diff teams) did it with 2 different coaches, but I can't think of any with 3 in the SB era.

 

[S.K.A.]

another interesting nugget: KW has made it to the SB with three different head coaches.Pretty sure that's never been done before.

Hmmm, that is an interest stat I hadn't thought of. I wonder if any other QB has been to the Super Bowl or NFL championship game with three different head coaches.

Off the top of my head, I know Montana, Elway, Aikman, and Morton (2 diff teams) did it with 2 different coaches, but I can't think of any with 3 in the SB era.

Of that list, I am inclined to dismiss Montana and Aikman. Siefert was Montana's 2nd coach he sure wasn't much of a change. Barry Switzer also didn't tinker much with Cowboys offense if memory serves me correctly.

 

[Chase Stuart]

another interesting nugget: KW has made it to the SB with three different head coaches.Pretty sure that's never been done before.

Hmmm, that is an interest stat I hadn't thought of. I wonder if any other QB has been to the Super Bowl or NFL championship game with three different head coaches.

Off the top of my head, I know Montana, Elway, Aikman, and Morton (2 diff teams) did it with 2 different coaches, but I can't think of any with 3 in the SB era.

Of that list, I am inclined to dismiss Montana and Aikman. Siefert was Montana's 2nd coach he sure wasn't much of a change. Barry Switzer also didn't tinker much with Cowboys offense if memory serves me correctly.

Then we should dismiss Martz, too.

 

[S.K.A.]

another interesting nugget: KW has made it to the SB with three different head coaches.Pretty sure that's never been done before.

Hmmm, that is an interest stat I hadn't thought of. I wonder if any other QB has been to the Super Bowl or NFL championship game with three different head coaches.

Off the top of my head, I know Montana, Elway, Aikman, and Morton (2 diff teams) did it with 2 different coaches, but I can't think of any with 3 in the SB era.

Of that list, I am inclined to dismiss Montana and Aikman. Siefert was Montana's 2nd coach he sure wasn't much of a change. Barry Switzer also didn't tinker much with Cowboys offense if memory serves me correctly.

Then we should dismiss Martz, too.

I totally agree.

 

[MDSkinner]

I'm a big Warner supporter when it comes to the HOF. I just realized a pretty interesting stat in regards to Warner. I haven't read this whole thread so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned her (or anywhere else).

Year: Games started

1998: 0

1999: 16

2000: 11

2001: 16

2002: 6

2003: 1

2004: 9

2005: 10

2006: 5

2007: 11

2008: 16

It's pretty interesting what two things those three bolded seasons have in common: 16 games and Super Bowls. Those are the only three years Warner was the team's starting QB for a full season and each season his team made the SB.

That is a surprising stat to me. Obviously this stat does not remotely indicate that any time KW starts 16 games his team is going to the SB...but it is surprising anyway, given the length of his career.On that same note, I believe the same is true with Rex Grossman....so take that for what it is worth.

ETA - I love Warner and think he should be a lock already.

 

[TitusIII]

If he wins this SuperBowl, I think he moves extremely close to LOCK status. 2-3 more decent seasons with playoff runs would be nice, though...

 

[David Yudkin]

 

[PantherPower]

If he wasn't a lock already, he should be now.

 

[Ghost Rider]

He is now a LOCK, even if the defense lets the Steelers come down and win the game.

 

[todisco1]

He is now a LOCK, even if the defense lets the Steelers come down and win the game.

Tough loss, but Warner ended up with a huge game against the best D in the league... guy earned his spot IMO.

 

[Tau837]

He is now a LOCK, even if the defense lets the Steelers come down and win the game.

Tough loss, but Warner ended up with a huge game against the best D in the league... guy earned his spot IMO.

I think his performance helps, but a win and Super Bowl MVP would have clinched a HOF spot IMO. The fact that he threw a pick 6 on the goal line and fumbled away his team's last chance mitigates his performance a bit.

 

[Ghost Rider]

He is now a LOCK, even if the defense lets the Steelers come down and win the game.

Tough loss, but Warner ended up with a huge game against the best D in the league... guy earned his spot IMO.

I think his performance helps, but a win and Super Bowl MVP would have clinched a HOF spot IMO. The fact that he threw a pick 6 on the goal line and fumbled away his team's last chance mitigates his performance a bit.

He torched the number 1 defense in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl, overcoming an 13-point deficit, only to see his defense blow it. He is a lock.

 

[teamroc]

He's a HOFer. The guy played great, with a horrible LT, constant pressure against a better team.

 

[Tau837]

He is now a LOCK, even if the defense lets the Steelers come down and win the game.

Tough loss, but Warner ended up with a huge game against the best D in the league... guy earned his spot IMO.

I think his performance helps, but a win and Super Bowl MVP would have clinched a HOF spot IMO. The fact that he threw a pick 6 on the goal line and fumbled away his team's last chance mitigates his performance a bit.

He torched the number 1 defense in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl, overcoming an 13-point deficit, only to see his defense blow it. He is a lock.

I think he'll probably make it, but it's not a foregone conclusion IMO.

 

[Shlon]

Although he did throw that INT at the goal line, got duped by James Harrison. I thought he was HOF worthy before and even more so now.

 

[trader jake]

James Harrison made a sweet play on Warner at the end of the half but sometimes you have to give the opposition credit.

Overall Kurt Warner had a great performance tonight and that should only help him make the Hall of Fame.

 

[trader jake]

Just read this on PFT...

- Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner has the most 300-yard passing games in the Super Bowl, with three. He also has the most career Super Bowl passing yards, with 1,156. (Joe Montana previously had the record with 1,142.)

- Warner also has the three top passing yardage performances in Super Bowl history, in only three games.

- His 1,147 yards passing in the postseason is an all-time single-season record; he broke his own mark of 1,063 from 1999 (which he accomplished in only three games).

 

[CrossEyed]

No chance Kurt actually retires after coming that close, right?

 

[S.K.A.]

Top three passing performances in a Superbowl.

1. Kurt Warner

2. Kurt Warner

3. Kurt Warner

That kind of surprised me.

 

[cstu]

The guy was a defensive stand away from another SB win, leading a comeback which nobody really believed would happen against a great Steelers defense. Even with the loss I believe it still cements him as a HOF player.