diesel7982
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*** Willie Parker Thread *** (1 Viewer)
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Down and Distance
Footballguy
Yes, he will play all three. Staley, Bettis, and Parker are all going to get a significant share of carries in this offense. (Significant meaning enough to decrease the value of the other two.) Cowher does not have to have all three of them active together to do this.I understand you are trying to clarify a point, but In the end, no matter how the weekly assignments shakeout, I see a fantasy mess. At least for the foreseeable future.
Babu Bhatt
Footballguy
Bettis looked good, Parker had no room to run, Haynes did his job blocking on 3rd down....Why would Staley's situation change next week??
1 800 UNBELIEVABLE
Footballguy
Must be a FWP hater.
Alberta Clipper
Footballguy
Heh Diesel do you think I did good getting Gonzo for the FWP-RBBC early last week?
dancingbones
Footballguy
Bettis looked great tonight -especially picking up that last first when Batch just came in and everyone knew where that ball was going. I think folks who picked up Parker from the WW can still feel great about it, but it doesn't look like you've got the stud you thought you had a few weeks ago.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Sure did. I won my first two games of the season thanks to FWP.
Mr. Pink
Footballguy
I grabbed FWP in the last round (16th) of a redraft....just because. Like most, I took a gamble by starting him in week 1 and he remained in my line-up the next week (had to sit hm against my Pats). What amazed me was the difficulty I had in trading him over these past two weeks. Only an injury to Caddy made his owner pull a last minute 'nutty' where he parted with Larry Fitzgerald straight up. Even after we made the deal, I expressed how well he should do with FWP in his line-up, but man I didn't see this coming. I've been flooded with "I told you so's" from the owners who walked away from trading for him. I thought I knew more. Now I'm just thankful.
nightshift
Footballguy
Lemme get this straight, the Bus returns to run a few times against a strong run D and FWP's glory days are over?Wood, did you forget the age of Bettis or the fact that he's very likely in his last year? This is the beginning of the FWP era & the end of the Bus. Staley? You mean the guy that can't even play better than Haynes for 3rd downs?Sheesh, this site is goin' down hill fast. :X
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13th round pick in a dynasty draft there sport---plus apparent RB after Pitts cuts bait w/Bettis AND Staley this year...plus you assume they both stay healthy the rest of the yearBettis getting a ton of work and the goal line carries...looks like FWP isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread after all.
your hard-on for the left part of the state seriously clouds your vision on a guy and situation that many of us have benefitted from
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hey nightshift,Don't know how many times I have to say it, I'm speaking of Parker's REDRAFT league value. OBVIOUSLY his dynasty value remains sterling. There's no reason to think he won't be the Steelers unquestioned starter next year. I'm speaking about Parker's ascendent value THIS YEAR. Slice it any way you want to, but for Bettis to get that workload his first game back AND get the goal line work, Parker's days of being THE guy and, in turn, being an enviable fantasy RB week in, week out, are likely over unless Bettis goes down to injury again.
And as for your comment that this "site" is going down fast, please recognize that my comments do not necessarily mirror those of Joe and David.
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MelvinTScupper
Guest
knew this was coming. I have Staley, which excites me even less.
Alberta Clipper
Footballguy
To those still wearing the rosey FWP colored glasses this morning I'm sure once you see the Forward 200 value and what trade value you can still get for FWP this week you'll start to see clearly...Well then again prob not.I think Willie was a great preseason gem that sparked many teams to a good start for low or no cost. I also don't think anyone will be able to rely on him game in / out as a top 10 RB the rest of the way.
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CrossEyed
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I didn't think Jerome or FWP looked all that impressive tonight. Impossible to draw any conclusions other than the Bus will get the goal line looks. But we already knew that.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
I've said it many times before and I'll say it again.I don't see the Steelers EVER turning the running game over entirely to a 205-210 pound RB whose biggest attribute is his speed. He'll have a role as long as he's productive, but the most I can see it being when everyone is healthy is the one that Erric Pegram had when he shared the job as the "starter" with Bam Morris for one year in the mid-90's. They're going to want someone with more mass that they feel can take the pounding associated with being the starting RB for the Pittsburgh Steelers.In a different system, I thinK Parker could have a lot of success.If Bettis retires and Staley isn't healthy or isn't around at all next year, I fully expect the Steelers to either draft, pick up through free agency, or trade for a bigger back to at a minimum take a good number of carries. Some Steelers fans disagree, and everyone who owns him in a dynasty league certainly does.
DaddyFatSacks
Footballguy
I am officially off the FWP bandwagon and just this weekend accepted this trade (just in time)
riest Holmes for Willie ParkerI have Larry Johnson and the other guy has Duce his logic was that he would get the PIT running game and I would have the KC running game. Tough to have the PIT running game with out the Bus, but hey that's his problem.
riest Holmes for Willie ParkerI have Larry Johnson and the other guy has Duce his logic was that he would get the PIT running game and I would have the KC running game. Tough to have the PIT running game with out the Bus, but hey that's his problem.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
Man, in my league I'd feel lucky if could get a Kevan Barlow for Parker...
DaddyFatSacks
Footballguy
It was unbelievable when I saw the offer and I was shopping Parker and T. Jones at the time I was really looking for a QB for one of them but this offer came in and I had to jump on it. This league is in its 9th season so it's not like it was a noob move this guy is the commish.
Down and Distance
Footballguy
It doesn't necessarily change next week. But as I said in my earlier post, in this system, Cowher likes big backs and he likes to keep them fresh. He has said many times you need more thatn one quality RB to make it through the season. It's only week five.If you are thinking that Duce will stay inactive for most the year beause of what you saw last night (not injury related) I think you are misjudging the situation.
nightshift
Footballguy
Do you really think Bettis is gonna carry any kind of load the rest of the season? C'mon. I love what the Bus has meant to my team, but reality check time. Here and there, in special situations (like last night), okay. Bettis ain't up to serious week in, week out pounding. He will get injured for sure.FWP will shine this year again.
BTW, a lot of us associate you with the FBG core. Right or wrong, you are noted as part of the inner circle. So what you do and say reflects on FBG the organization.
jurb26
Footballguy
Come on, seriously even if Bettis doesn't carry the load the rest of the year, it's clear as day that Parker won't either (baring injuries to both Bettis and Staley again). This will only become a larger RBBC when Staley comes back. Could Bettis and Staley both get hurt again? Yes, of course. Why in the world would you want to have to count on that to get any real value out of Parker in redraft leagues though? Parkers value has seen it's peak for this year.Do you really think Bettis is gonna carry any kind of load the rest of the season? C'mon. I love what the Bus has meant to my team, but reality check time. Here and there, in special situations (like last night), okay. Bettis ain't up to serious week in, week out pounding. He will get injured for sure.FWP will shine this year again.
BTW, a lot of us associate you with the FBG core. Right or wrong, you are noted as part of the inner circle. So what you do and say reflects on FBG the organization.
jurb26
Footballguy
I don't get it either. I have always disliked Bettis (even being a Steeler fan), but it's obvious this guy can still play well and DID outplay Parker last night. What is most important though is that it is clear that Pitt plans on using all it's RBs, not just Parker or Parker in some sort of featured role as many would like.
Right on.Parker will continue to be a contributor for the Steelers, but he's not going to get 20 carries a game. He'll help them win this year, but not by being the workhorse.He's an RB3 for fantasy purposes now, IMHO.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
As opposed to the one game that started the Willie Parker love fest in the first place?
It's one thing to base opinions on one game out of a set that all share similar characteristics. But in this case this "one game" was notable because it was the first time that Bettis was part of the equation. To pretend like this was just "one bad game" for Parker without recognizing that Bettis got an equivalent workload AND the goal line touches ignores relevant data.Does this mean Parker is no longer a viable fantasy starter? Not necessarily.
Does this mean DYNASTY owners should panic? Not in the least.
But does this raise a serious question as to whether or not Parker can be thought of as a RB1 the rest of the way? Of course it does.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
I'd like to see the people that viewed Parker as a RB1 the rest of the way. (Regardless of how good/bad Bettis looked or will look in the future)
Bingo. Willie should have a "playing with house money" feel for most FF owners, nothing more, nothing less. Most guys got him as a total late round flier or a waiver pickup, but if you were counting on him to carry you to a title despite 1. Not ever having started at UNC (and please don't give me "two words: Priest Holmes" response because there was no Ricky Wiliams-level RB starting in front of him, 2. Putting up big numbers against TENN and HOU, and 3. Knowing full well that Bettis and/or Staley would be back...then my friend, you were delusional.And, yes, I'm a Willie owner and like the guy, but am looking at him as an injury/bye-week starter at best from here on out unless Bus gets hurt again, which could happen.
Sputnikv8
Footballguy
I'm not sure why JWood has such a passion about throwing this around. Do you hate Willie? Did he do something to you? Did he whoop ya in week 1 or something?Championships are made on late round picks that produce. Willie won't do it all year, but, I got more than I expected out of him this year. Time to find the next pot of gold.
jurb26
Footballguy
I'm not sure why JWood has such a passion about throwing this around. Do you hate Willie? Did he do something to you? Did he whoop ya in week 1 or something?
Championships are made on late round picks that produce. Willie won't do it all year, but, I got more than I expected out of him this year. Time to find the next pot of gold.
This is not the toon that Parker owners were singing for the last 2 weeks. He was suposed to be the starter and featured runner all year, remember..... No threat of RBBC and he would loose only 3rd down and GL work and even with that, there was to be plenty of carries to go around with Parker still getting 20+ touches per game. Well, that is not the case. Not even close. Parker was splitting series with Bettis and Bettis is who they turned to in crunch time. This does in fact look like a RBBC and one in which Parker is on the short end of the carries, not the high end. The 20+ touches that people were expecting look like they are in the distant past with Staley coming back on top of Bettis playing well. Wood and a ton of us never were arguing that Parker was great and does still hold great value in dynasty leagues. Only that for redraft, this year only, his value hit it's peak 2 weeks ago and that you would have been wise to sell high, very high.
grouse
Footballguy
There can be no denying that Monday night's game was a setback for FWP owners (myself included). We all had 'temporary' visions of FWP being a 20-carry per game guy the rest of the way. It's silly if some guys are downplaying that now. And, it's just as silly for guys on the FWP sidelines to point the finger after the fact. Cowher did nothing to quell the FWP hype. All hard evidence pointed to Parker doing well, and at the time, the odds-on favorite to keep the job. I flip a coin, I say tails, you say heads. It's heads. You can say that you knew it was going to be heads, but you had a 50% chance of being wrong. Kudos to those who traded him at what would initially appear to be the peak of his value a few short weeks ago. However, those who still have FWP have good reason to hang onto him. Both Bettis and Staley are MRI's waiting to happen and this alone should buoy high hopes for quality production at some point again this season out of FWP. Hopefully, you acquired FWP via late round draft pick, or waiver wire, and you're in a position to ride this through. So much of FF comes down circumstance and timing, and there's plenty of season left for those moons to align again for FWP.
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Koya
Footballguy
I think it was a small but very vocal minority that thought Parker could be a RB1 the rest of the way. I was very high on Parker... still am. But my enthusiasm was tempered by the unknown. I expected Bettis to come back and have a role. The guy has had a few seasons now where he starts gangbusters, and then gets old quick. So I assumed the Steelers would use that weapon as best they could, while Willie would provide more production outside the 5 yard line.As opposed to the one game that started the Willie Parker love fest in the first place?
Does this mean Parker is no longer a viable fantasy starter? Not necessarily.
Does this mean DYNASTY owners should panic? Not in the least.
But does this raise a serious question as to whether or not Parker can be thought of as a RB1 the rest of the way? Of course it does.
Of course, not many if any expected Bettis to come back and really look a bit like the Bettis of old. As long as he holds up, Parker is not even a #2.
For most of us, though, the upside was a very good #2 with Parker... which is a LOT to say for a player that was a deep sleeper coming into the year. He had his chance, showed some signs, and now has to give way to a HoF player that seems to have a little something left in the tank.
I believe most of my praise of Willie was conditional - conditional that Bettis wouldnt come back and look like he was 27 again, and that Duce is not nearly the weapon that Parker is. As of now, it looks like condition one has not been met.
Mr. Anonymous
Footballguy
I always viewed Parker as a decent bye week filler, with the potential to be more (or less) if things fell the right (or wrong) way, and as a good low cost keeper prospect. My current projection, which may or may not be right, is that he is likely to be only a marginal bye week filler. His real cost to me is that three/four weeks ago I had to cut Bell to pick him up. (At Bell's draft slot, he's not a keeper prospect for me.) I own Anderson, so the loss of that insurance hurt, especially after the game this weekend.
Irish
Footballguy
I've posted many times in various FWP threads that Willie will see the majority of carries, but that in certain games against certain teams that Bettis or Duce would get more carries. I'm more concerned with how poorly the Steelers OL is blocking right now. Hartings and Simmons are not getting the job done upfront. Parker needs a little bit of daylight to utilize his speed, whereas Bettis and Staley can bull their way forward for yardage.
The_Hunchback
Footballguy
That isn't very nice saying that this site that has been pimping him so hard might have been wrong and just got lucky the first couple of weeks.
FrostBite
Footballguy
IMO the people that were very high on him are in Dynasty/Keeper leagues. Anyone in a redraft knew that he wouldn't be a RB1 anyways because of the Bus. FWP still has value in both types of leagues, you just need to know when to play him.Last night they were playing a very fast SD defense and it is hard to get to the corner on them. There are going to be games where the defense is stout up the middle and will shut down the Bus, but FWP will look better because of his speed. Cower will play the hot hand which is going to make it hard for Fantasy owners, but again... who really thought FWP was RB1? His long term value is still high, and last nights game shouldn't derail the bandwagon.
cstu
Footballguy
Let's see...he wasn't able to run well against NE and SD and all of a sudden he's worthless? His value is obviously less with Bettis and Staley back because he'll get fewer carries, but he's faced two very tough run defenses that last two games that he doesn't match up well against.
When FWP put up two good games to start the season I saw him as a solid RB3 with the potential to spot start or emerge as a RB2 with injuries to Bettis and/or Staley. I was thrilled to have this kind of insurance and was hoping he could stay hot until Kevin Jones could get things going. Unfortunately my RB1 was Deuce so now I'm looking at FWP or M. Moore as my RB2a & RB2b. I was hoping for Parker to get 15 to 20 touches last night and was dissapointed but not shocked.I stil think Parker has RB3 level value. I'm a lot less worried by Bettis performance than I would've been had Staley been in there getting those 18 carries. It seems to me that Staley is the odd man out at this point and FWP will be taking the role that was porjected for Staley before the season started. Cowher will want to keep the Bus fresh and healthy for the playoffs, I think the amount of work he got last night will be more of an upper limit than a typical game for him. Yes he will get goaline carries and will cut into FWP production but if I had to shoose between Bettis and Parker the rest of the way I'd take Parker.Honestly I think this could shape up to be a Dunn/Duckett type of situation with both players having some value because the running game is so good but neither player getting enough work to be considered a legitimate every week fantasy starter. In fact I'd put FWPs value at about the Dunn level. Staley is still a threat to Parker (and Dunn doesn't have a similar threat) but I think if he works back into the rotation he won't get significantly more action than Haynes is getting now. Dunn gets 3rd down worke but I think FWP has greater upside as his team is better and he is the youngest/healthiest RB on the team. The other advantage of Parker over Dunn is that Bettis is more likely to get hurt and/or be held out of a game if slightly dinged up than Duckett is. So I'd say overall they're about equal.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
Holy overreaction thread Batman! 
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