Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I've been yelling sell high for weeks on Parker. Traded him straight up for Reggie Wayne last week to the guy who owns Staley and Bettis.
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Lombardi's Orphan Son
Footballguy
FWP owner (dynasty) and Steeler Die Hardi think you will see FWP inactive for some games here very soon. this is 2 games FWP has not helped move the chains, yes against tough run Ds. there is little doubt in my mind that a staley/bettis backfield last night would have produced better results.i hope i am wrong.-orphan
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
FWP and Bettis helped the Steelers WIN. What better result could there have been?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
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Lombardi's Orphan Son
Footballguy
and staley couldn't have gotten just as many yards as FWP?? FWP was INEFFECTIVE. he was INEFFECTIVE against the Pats. if he plays the same way again, i think you will see a change. just MO, but i think staley would have been able to bust thru the line much like bettis did.-orphan
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I was just wondering about FWP dynasty value. He is in the finally year of his contract at least according to the NFLPA. So I have two questions:1. Do undrafted rookies become RFAs or do they automatically become FAs? 2. Since he does not fit the mold of the traditional Steeler’s back, does Pittsburg let him go in free agency?
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The best thing about FWP, was the "he can take it to the house at any time" hype.Yeah so can Portis, that doesn't seem to help him much. So can 40 rbs in the NFL. Parker didn't look all that fast, or explosive. He's a poor man's Olandis Gary. Put anyone in that rushing offense, they'll do well. Bettis looked about 300 lbs, could only go 2 plays in a row before being carted to the sidelines, and that o-line even made him look good.Staley isn't going to sit on side and watch. He will play. Bettis will get the TDs. Parker will be lucky to sniff 40 yards from here on out. It will be RBBC with Staley/Parker, with Bettis stealing all the TDs. For those who sold high on this guy, great work.
corpcow
Footballguy
Bettis looked in great shape before the injury, but he was ROTUND looking yesterday.Madden was hilarious - "He's listed at 2-5-5 but he's much closer to 3-0-0. I mean, look at the separation between the 3 and the 6."One thing in Parkers favor, Bettis looks like he is about as soft around the middle as I've ever seen him...
I'll cop to that. I thought Bettis would take a few TDs, Staley would take 5 carries per game and Willie would keep rolling. Somewhere between RB10--RB15 going forward.Last night revised my estimate substantially, but I still think he's got value going forward in a redraft. Similar to Deshaun Foster. Lots of upside and, even as is, not a terrible by-week filler.
Gopher State
Footballguy
No doubt the BUS looked like the best RB yesterday, he should be good for 12+ carries from here on out. FWP will get some work, but now is best as a #3 RB or flex player, it was a great run by him. 
Down and Distance
Footballguy
From Pittsburg Post-Gazette....
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" .....coach Bill Cowher said that halfback Duce Staley may not fully recover this season from training-camp meniscus surgery. And that may continue to limit his playing time, which has constituted just a couple of snaps against New England the week before last.
"Duce might not be 100 percent this whole year," Cowher said of the nine-year veteran who was inactive Monday for the third time in four games. "He's working to get better. ... At some point, we may need him. He understands the situation. From that perspective, that was why the decision was made. It's always a tough decision."
Staley was signed as a free agent and installed as the starting halfback last season, whereupon he rushed for 830 yards before injuries rendered him inactive six of the season's final nine regular-season games. Jerome Bettis returned Monday from his preseason calf injury to rumble for 54 yards on 17 carries. Cowher said Willie Parker and Bettis will continue to share the workload as they did in San Diego.
"You just don't know how games are going to unfold," Cowher said. "But it was nice to be able to have a fresh Jerome Bettis in the fourth quarter. Jerome Bettis gives you something. He's a very special back. He's a Hall of Fame back.
"He came in this camp, and it's the best I've seen him run in the last three or four years. You watch him in practice last week, and he had that bounce in his step. You see him running, jumping, jump cutting. ... I think it's a good situation to be able to have a couple of healthy guys and knowing that Duce is going to be there. We can ease him into it."
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" .....coach Bill Cowher said that halfback Duce Staley may not fully recover this season from training-camp meniscus surgery. And that may continue to limit his playing time, which has constituted just a couple of snaps against New England the week before last.
"Duce might not be 100 percent this whole year," Cowher said of the nine-year veteran who was inactive Monday for the third time in four games. "He's working to get better. ... At some point, we may need him. He understands the situation. From that perspective, that was why the decision was made. It's always a tough decision."
Staley was signed as a free agent and installed as the starting halfback last season, whereupon he rushed for 830 yards before injuries rendered him inactive six of the season's final nine regular-season games. Jerome Bettis returned Monday from his preseason calf injury to rumble for 54 yards on 17 carries. Cowher said Willie Parker and Bettis will continue to share the workload as they did in San Diego.
"You just don't know how games are going to unfold," Cowher said. "But it was nice to be able to have a fresh Jerome Bettis in the fourth quarter. Jerome Bettis gives you something. He's a very special back. He's a Hall of Fame back.
"He came in this camp, and it's the best I've seen him run in the last three or four years. You watch him in practice last week, and he had that bounce in his step. You see him running, jumping, jump cutting. ... I think it's a good situation to be able to have a couple of healthy guys and knowing that Duce is going to be there. We can ease him into it."
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CrossEyed
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Sounds like no Steeler RB is worth having at this point.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Basically. If anyone, I would take Bettis, not because I believe he's going to be the workhorse, but because he's likely to get all the goal line touches, as well as playing a few series a a game (or more, if he looks sharp)
One key thing about Bettis that doesnt show up in the stats is that he's punishing to bring down. Bettis is still a load (even if more of that load is fat) and wears down the defense, even if he's only getting 1 or 2 yards. Bettis is valuable even when he doesn't move the sticks.
jurb26
Footballguy
Not only that, but man does this guy have great feet for a 250 lb 300 lb man. I love watching him get those feet moving about 100 miles per hr yet seeing him run about 5 and bulldozing defenders! As big as he is, it's those feet that allow him to find and hit holes (which can be very difficult given his plump physic).
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
at all the Bettis lovediesel7982
Footballguy
Almost as funny as the love for the 165 lb Willie Parker.Almost.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Laugh all you want, but Bettis, barring a major injury, is going to end up gaining about 400-500 yards and punching in 7-8 TDs over the last 12 weeks. You could do a hell of a lot worse as a bye week fill-in or RB3.
doomsdaydoc
Footballguy
I traded Mike Anderson for Bettis- at least I can be assured he will play
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Willie Parker is a 200-pound back. He has similar size to most of the successful backs in this league. This statement is patently absurd.Almost as funny as the love for the 165 lb Willie Parker.Almost.
jurb26
Footballguy
I think it was a bit of a joke through use of embellishment.Willie Parker is a 200-pound back. He has similar size to most of the successful backs in this league. This statement is patently absurd.Almost as funny as the love for the 165 lb Willie Parker.Almost.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I'm sure it was, but why was it made? Obviously to imply that Parker is too slight to be an every down back, which is totally untrue. I totally believe he needs to add 5-10 pounds of bulk in order to be more effective inside, but he's not far off.I think it was a bit of a joke through use of embellishment.Willie Parker is a 200-pound back. He has similar size to most of the successful backs in this league. This statement is patently absurd.Almost as funny as the love for the 165 lb Willie Parker.Almost.
jurb26
Footballguy
I would imagin it spawns from the fact that Bettis was ahead of Parker on the depth chart to begin the year, has proven a very effective and impressive runner every chance he as gotten with the Steelers and has proven himself over the course of not just a few games, not just a few weeks but full seasons and a career to be capable. This is besides the fact that in his 1st time back from injury, he displaces the the majority of the touches from Parker and looked better doing it. Yet somehow Bettis is the overhyped one.I'm sure it was, but why was it made? Obviously to imply that Parker is too slight to be an every down back, which is totally untrue. I totally believe he needs to add 5-10 pounds of bulk in order to be more effective inside, but he's not far off.I think it was a bit of a joke through use of embellishment.Willie Parker is a 200-pound back. He has similar size to most of the successful backs in this league. This statement is patently absurd.Almost as funny as the love for the 165 lb Willie Parker.Almost.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I don't think either player is being overhyped now. I think we'll see a legit RBBC in Pittsburgh the rest of this year unless injuries dictate otherwise. I could easily see an average game for them (once they're all back) breaking down like thisI would imagin it spawns from the fact that Bettis was ahead of Parker on the depth chart to begin the year, has proven a very effective and impressive runner every chance he as gotten with the Steelers and has proven himself over the course of not just a few games, not just a few weeks but full seasons and a career to be capable. This is besides the fact that in his 1st time back from injury, he displaces the the majority of the touches from Parker and looked better doing it. Yet somehow Bettis is the overhyped one.I'm sure it was, but why was it made? Obviously to imply that Parker is too slight to be an every down back, which is totally untrue. I totally believe he needs to add 5-10 pounds of bulk in order to be more effective inside, but he's not far off.I think it was a bit of a joke through use of embellishment.Willie Parker is a 200-pound back. He has similar size to most of the successful backs in this league. This statement is patently absurd.Almost as funny as the love for the 165 lb Willie Parker.Almost.
arker : 15 carries for 65 yardsStaley : 8 carries for 35 yards
Bettis : 6 carries for 20 yards
With Parker scoring 4-5 TDs the rest of the way, Staley 1-2 and Bettis 7-8. Until Staley is 100% though, Cowher is going to ride the hot hand. Thus, some games, Bettis might have 70 yards and Parker 30, and in others, Parker will have 80 and Bettis 20. Acquire/trade accordingly.
shakeybarn
Footballguy
If you recall the early early season analysis... I think the thought was with Willie doing fine, there was no need to rush Bettis back. Bettis has played entire years more injured than what he may/may not be now. Course Tenn and Houston helped to make Parker look good. With Jax, Cin, and Bal coming up, I can't see an easy run schedule coming for Parker to re-win the top slot via an 80% of the carries. Those could/should be field possession/low risk play type of games (maybe Cinncy will indulge a shootout). In the interim, Duce gets more healthy, and Jerome wins those key 3rd-and-1 battles.For Pittsburgh it's a GREAT situation to be in... for FF it sux. Bus will get breathers, and have numerous "questionable" and "probables" throughout the year, making it annoying for all Pit RB owners. But he's a gamer, and Pittsburgh ain't sitting at 5-0.LMFAO. Bettis misses the first 4 weeks of the season with a calf strain. Bettis plays well in last night's game and is now considered the go to guy for the rest of the season.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Bettis gets 15 carries, not Parker.I don't think either player is being overhyped now. I think we'll see a legit RBBC in Pittsburgh the rest of this year unless injuries dictate otherwise. I could easily see an average game for them (once they're all back) breaking down like thisI would imagin it spawns from the fact that Bettis was ahead of Parker on the depth chart to begin the year, has proven a very effective and impressive runner every chance he as gotten with the Steelers and has proven himself over the course of not just a few games, not just a few weeks but full seasons and a career to be capable. This is besides the fact that in his 1st time back from injury, he displaces the the majority of the touches from Parker and looked better doing it. Yet somehow Bettis is the overhyped one.I'm sure it was, but why was it made? Obviously to imply that Parker is too slight to be an every down back, which is totally untrue. I totally believe he needs to add 5-10 pounds of bulk in order to be more effective inside, but he's not far off.I think it was a bit of a joke through use of embellishment.Willie Parker is a 200-pound back. He has similar size to most of the successful backs in this league. This statement is patently absurd.Almost as funny as the love for the 165 lb Willie Parker.Almost.
Staley : 8 carries for 35 yards
Bettis : 6 carries for 20 yards
With Parker scoring 4-5 TDs the rest of the way, Staley 1-2 and Bettis 7-8. Until Staley is 100% though, Cowher is going to ride the hot hand. Thus, some games, Bettis might have 70 yards and Parker 30, and in others, Parker will have 80 and Bettis 20. Acquire/trade accordingly.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
This will only be the case if Bettis continually outperforms Parker - I think his superior showing on Monday was due more to fresh legs than anything.. I think Parker's breakaway ability will garner him more carries per game, as Bettis is going to average maybe 3.5 ypc consistently.Bettis gets 15 carries, not Parker.I don't think either player is being overhyped now. I think we'll see a legit RBBC in Pittsburgh the rest of this year unless injuries dictate otherwise. I could easily see an average game for them (once they're all back) breaking down like thisI would imagin it spawns from the fact that Bettis was ahead of Parker on the depth chart to begin the year, has proven a very effective and impressive runner every chance he as gotten with the Steelers and has proven himself over the course of not just a few games, not just a few weeks but full seasons and a career to be capable. This is besides the fact that in his 1st time back from injury, he displaces the the majority of the touches from Parker and looked better doing it. Yet somehow Bettis is the overhyped one.I'm sure it was, but why was it made? Obviously to imply that Parker is too slight to be an every down back, which is totally untrue. I totally believe he needs to add 5-10 pounds of bulk in order to be more effective inside, but he's not far off.I think it was a bit of a joke through use of embellishment.Willie Parker is a 200-pound back. He has similar size to most of the successful backs in this league. This statement is patently absurd.Almost as funny as the love for the 165 lb Willie Parker.Almost.
Staley : 8 carries for 35 yards
Bettis : 6 carries for 20 yards
With Parker scoring 4-5 TDs the rest of the way, Staley 1-2 and Bettis 7-8. Until Staley is 100% though, Cowher is going to ride the hot hand. Thus, some games, Bettis might have 70 yards and Parker 30, and in others, Parker will have 80 and Bettis 20. Acquire/trade accordingly.
Fiddles.
Towel Waver
I don't know a whole lot about Pittsburgh but it seems to me that they would be wise to run Bettis as little as they can get away with and still win games. They'll want him fresh and healthy for the playoffs. Experience is only going to make FWP but extra carries for Bettis (beyond 5 or 10 a game) does not bode well for a deep playoff run.I think they'll use Bettis as much as they need to in order to win games but if they can get by with him getting fewer carries I think everyone in Pittsburgh would be happier.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
FWP: 21 carriesBettis: 4 carries
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
The point wasn't in regards to the production, because as a whole the Pitt rushing game was ineffective, it was to show everyone that Willie is not done for right now after what we witnessed last game.Everyone was throwing in the towels and already proclaiming Bettis the bonafide starter.
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
Bettis getting a ton of work and the goal line carries...looks like FWP isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread after all.
neither is 300lbs old man bettis
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Parker looked much better than Bettis yesterday. Maddox back under center was a deathknell for the Pitt running game against a team as strong up front as Jacksonville. They keyed on the run and it showed in the ypc numbers, but I firmly believe Willie will continue to get the bulk of the workload unless he really stinks the place out.
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
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