Willis McGahee released by Broncos (1 Viewer)

[Shutout]

McGahee will be signed by the New York Jets

Place your bets folks, just was the first team that popped into my head. Ryan is familiar with him.

McGahee in Dallas makes so much sense it might be asking for too much but I think it would be IDEAL.

A healthy Moreno (I know, that's a big "if")=SOD. I keep seeing alot of posts talking baout he didn't look good and he's not a stud and all that but it's simple: He does the one thing that Manning needs VERY WELL. He is a veteran and HC likes that. And as far as not being this or that and only avg 3.8 ypc, etc....forget about it. Down the stretch last year, playing Weeks 12-17, he was RB#6 in PPR people. spin any number any way you want, HE WAS the 6th best fatnasy RB last year when he played, in PPR. For the price you pay for him, that's like getting an Alfred Morris type steal. It is ridiculous for people to be so enamoured on the young guys to keep overlooking him.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

McGahee will be signed by the New York Jets

Place your bets folks, just was the first team that popped into my head. Ryan is familiar with him.

McGahee in Dallas makes so much sense it might be asking for too much but I think it would be IDEAL.

A healthy Moreno (I know, that's a big "if")=SOD. I keep seeing alot of posts talking baout he didn't look good and he's not a stud and all that but it's simple: He does the one thing that Manning needs VERY WELL. He is a veteran and HC likes that. And as far as not being this or that and only avg 3.8 ypc, etc....forget about it. Down the stretch last year, playing Weeks 12-17, he was RB#6 in PPR people. spin any number any way you want, HE WAS the 6th best fatnasy RB last year when he played, in PPR. For the price you pay for him, that's like getting an Alfred Morris type steal. It is ridiculous for people to be so enamoured on the young guys to keep overlooking him.

I don't think anyone is disputing that Moreno was a very useful player down the stretch last season, heck I won a dynasty league with his help. What people are pointing out is that his production was as a result of volume in a high powered offense. It isn't that he was terrible, it's just that averaging under 4 ypc in an offense where teams are more worried about Manning and the wide-outs says something about his actual performace.

In said dynasty league, as soon as the season was over I flipped Moreno for Turbin and the 2.01 - as my thoughts were that the Broncos would look to upgrade Moreno this offseason. They wanted to bring Mendenhall in for a visit, but he signed with Arizona before he left for Denver, they kicked the tires on Bradshaw and ultimatly drafted Montee Ball and then talked him up ever since.

It's fairly evident that the Bronco decision makers don't consider Moreno the answer at RB. He'll only be a "value" in your draft if he actually sees usage this season. The writing on the wall thus far is that he's depth/insurance as of now. Sure injuries or ineffectiveness can change that and then yes he would be a steal in the mid to late rounds, but if Ball stays healthy and plays well and if Hillman continues to develop he could be a waste of a pick as well.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

It isn't that he was terrible, it's just that averaging under 4 ypc in an offense where teams are more worried about Manning and the wide-outs a 31-year old Willis McGahee averaged 4.4 ypc says something about his actual performace.

 

[donkshow]

The thing about Moreno is (while I said stud before, definitely a misnomer), is that he does everything a coach wants. He'll run hard, catch balls and is a great pass blocker that can pick up the blitz pretty well. That is what Manning loves, wants and needs. As a Colts fan I cannot tell you the amount of glares he's given RB's that miss a blitz pickup only for him to get hit or hurried.

If Manning wants Moreno on the field, he will be. That doesn't mean he's going to get 250+ carries or anything, but he'll definitely be a more than relative fantasy back IMO.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It isn't that he was terrible, it's just that averaging under 4 ypc in an offense where teams are more worried about Manning and the wide-outs a 31-year old Willis McGahee averaged 4.4 ypc says something about his actual performace.

An even better point.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The thing about Moreno is (while I said stud before, definitely a misnomer), is that he does everything a coach wants. He'll run hard, catch balls and is a great pass blocker that can pick up the blitz pretty well. That is what Manning loves, wants and needs. As a Colts fan I cannot tell you the amount of glares he's given RB's that miss a blitz pickup only for him to get hit or hurried.

If Manning wants Moreno on the field, he will be. That doesn't mean he's going to get 250+ carries or anything, but he'll definitely be a more than relative fantasy back IMO.

From all his offseason comments thus far, it seems he wants Ball on the field. That surely could change, but I think the Moreno backers are seeing what they want to see.

For the record the only back I own is Hillman is one leage - and I'm not counting on him at all, in fact ideally I'd like to trade him to the Ball owner if I could get good value.

 

[gandalas]

OK, so the McGahee supporter have all fled to Moreno, this is like when Ron Paul supporters had to finally settle on Mitt Romney.

You misspelled Gary Johnson.

I just did the smart thing and got all 3 of the Broncos RBs in my startup dynasty draft (Ball, McGahee, and Moreno). Was not much of an investment for Moreno/McGahee (17th round/33rd round), and I am pretty much guaranteed to get someone productive out of it. Of course with my luck, Hillman will be the one to explode.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

what this makes me realize is that snagging both Ball/Moreno at their (current) ADP might be a decent gamble. However Ball hype might get too crazy come August.

Not too worried about HIllman

 

[Shutout]

McGahee will be signed by the New York Jets

Place your bets folks, just was the first team that popped into my head. Ryan is familiar with him.

McGahee in Dallas makes so much sense it might be asking for too much but I think it would be IDEAL.

A healthy Moreno (I know, that's a big "if")=SOD. I keep seeing alot of posts talking baout he didn't look good and he's not a stud and all that but it's simple: He does the one thing that Manning needs VERY WELL. He is a veteran and HC likes that. And as far as not being this or that and only avg 3.8 ypc, etc....forget about it. Down the stretch last year, playing Weeks 12-17, he was RB#6 in PPR people. spin any number any way you want, HE WAS the 6th best fatnasy RB last year when he played, in PPR. For the price you pay for him, that's like getting an Alfred Morris type steal. It is ridiculous for people to be so enamoured on the young guys to keep overlooking him.

I don't think anyone is disputing that Moreno was a very useful player down the stretch last season, heck I won a dynasty league with his help. What people are pointing out is that his production was as a result of volume in a high powered offense. It isn't that he was terrible, it's just that averaging under 4 ypc in an offense where teams are more worried about Manning and the wide-outs says something about his actual performace.

In said dynasty league, as soon as the season was over I flipped Moreno for Turbin and the 2.01 - as my thoughts were that the Broncos would look to upgrade Moreno this offseason. They wanted to bring Mendenhall in for a visit, but he signed with Arizona before he left for Denver, they kicked the tires on Bradshaw and ultimatly drafted Montee Ball and then talked him up ever since.

It's fairly evident that the Bronco decision makers don't consider Moreno the answer at RB. He'll only be a "value" in your draft if he actually sees usage this season. The writing on the wall thus far is that he's depth/insurance as of now. Sure injuries or ineffectiveness can change that and then yes he would be a steal in the mid to late rounds, but if Ball stays healthy and plays well and if Hillman continues to develop he could be a waste of a pick as well.

And what part of the bolded is going to change this year? That's the point. People keep saying "I don't care that he was top 6, here..listen to my "yeah but...". But all of that is irrelevant. At the end of the day, he was a top 6 RB. By any other name, a player with that actual production would be called a stud RB in fantasy. But Moreno is getting dismissed because he's not the shiny new toy and Dyansty owners, especially, make that mistake all the time. I can kind of see people pointing to the TRUE rookie Ball and making a stance but when people are just generically saying "Ball and Hillman" and disregarding Moreno altogether, that is uneducated because all those people talk Moreno down because of what we've seen in the past. Well, isn't that also true about Hillman, who everyone said was the next guy up last year, and it was clear he wasn't.

Your entire last paragraph (and I'm not shooting bullets at you..just illustrating here), Is kind of the general "cliff's notes" that seemingly everyone tosses out in regards to Moreno. But that is exactly what people were saying last year and we see how that worked out. Moreno literally was that perfect piece that won people titles last year.

I just think people are wanting to push the boring older guy out of the way and are completely missing what it is that you have to be as a RB when you play with Peyton Manning and Moreno is the ideal player for that role.

 

[Adam Harstad]

I don't think the "ideal player" for a Peyton Manning offense gets deactivated for half a season. I don't think a team spends a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder on running backs when they already have the "ideal player" for their offense on the roster.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

McGahee will be signed by the New York Jets

Place your bets folks, just was the first team that popped into my head. Ryan is familiar with him.

McGahee in Dallas makes so much sense it might be asking for too much but I think it would be IDEAL.

A healthy Moreno (I know, that's a big "if")=SOD. I keep seeing alot of posts talking baout he didn't look good and he's not a stud and all that but it's simple: He does the one thing that Manning needs VERY WELL. He is a veteran and HC likes that. And as far as not being this or that and only avg 3.8 ypc, etc....forget about it. Down the stretch last year, playing Weeks 12-17, he was RB#6 in PPR people. spin any number any way you want, HE WAS the 6th best fatnasy RB last year when he played, in PPR. For the price you pay for him, that's like getting an Alfred Morris type steal. It is ridiculous for people to be so enamoured on the young guys to keep overlooking him.

I don't think anyone is disputing that Moreno was a very useful player down the stretch last season, heck I won a dynasty league with his help. What people are pointing out is that his production was as a result of volume in a high powered offense. It isn't that he was terrible, it's just that averaging under 4 ypc in an offense where teams are more worried about Manning and the wide-outs says something about his actual performace.

In said dynasty league, as soon as the season was over I flipped Moreno for Turbin and the 2.01 - as my thoughts were that the Broncos would look to upgrade Moreno this offseason. They wanted to bring Mendenhall in for a visit, but he signed with Arizona before he left for Denver, they kicked the tires on Bradshaw and ultimatly drafted Montee Ball and then talked him up ever since.

It's fairly evident that the Bronco decision makers don't consider Moreno the answer at RB. He'll only be a "value" in your draft if he actually sees usage this season. The writing on the wall thus far is that he's depth/insurance as of now. Sure injuries or ineffectiveness can change that and then yes he would be a steal in the mid to late rounds, but if Ball stays healthy and plays well and if Hillman continues to develop he could be a waste of a pick as well.

And what part of the bolded is going to change this year? That's the point.

the volume?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Your entire last paragraph (and I'm not shooting bullets at you..just illustrating here), Is kind of the general "cliff's notes" that seemingly everyone tosses out in regards to Moreno. But that is exactly what people were saying last year and we see how that worked out. Moreno literally was that perfect piece that won people titles last year.

and they were right, weren't they?

He was a healthy inactive for the first half of the season, after Week 1. Does that sound like the staff had big plans for him? He didn't have value until MaGahee got hurt. My last sentence addresses this possibility happening again, and if it does yes he will be a "steal of the draft", provided he hasn't been dropped to waivers by then.