WIS MMXI: Back to the Future Edition- Draft & Season Thread (3 Viewers)

[Arsenal of Doom]

If anyone is short on lefty pen options, I'd like to flip either Gonzalez or Morales for a comparable right-hander.

I'd be down for this...Michael Stutes for your choice?

Stutes for Gonzalez looks like a fair deal to me.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

If anyone is short on lefty pen options, I'd like to flip either Gonzalez or Morales for a comparable right-hander.

I'd be down for this...Michael Stutes for your choice?

Stutes for Gonzalez looks like a fair deal to me.

FIRST TRADE! Should we execute it on fantrax?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

If anyone is short on lefty pen options, I'd like to flip either Gonzalez or Morales for a comparable right-hander.

I'd be down for this...Michael Stutes for your choice?

Stutes for Gonzalez looks like a fair deal to me.

FIRST TRADE! Should we execute it on fantrax?

Sure, if trading is still open there

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

If anyone is short on lefty pen options, I'd like to flip either Gonzalez or Morales for a comparable right-hander.

I'd be down for this...Michael Stutes for your choice?

Stutes for Gonzalez looks like a fair deal to me.

FIRST TRADE! Should we execute it on fantrax?

Sure, if trading is still open there

I just did it with commish powers. Should be there.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

If anyone is short on lefty pen options, I'd like to flip either Gonzalez or Morales for a comparable right-hander.

I'd be down for this...Michael Stutes for your choice?

Stutes for Gonzalez looks like a fair deal to me.

FIRST TRADE! Should we execute it on fantrax?

Sure, if trading is still open there

I just did it with commish powers. Should be there.

Nice

 

[oso diablo]

Alberto Callaspo (.288/.366/.375) in 536 PA at 3B is available for pitching....

what kind of pitching?

I either need a solid reliever, or a decent innings eater.

i could give either 29 great innings from Joba, or 80 mediocre innings from Wade Leblanc

 

[oso diablo]

trading block:Rafael FurcalI need pitching in return...

same offer... Joba or Wade LeBlanc

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

Alberto Callaspo (.288/.366/.375) in 536 PA at 3B is available for pitching....

Also has a B/A fielding rating at 3B.To those that have made offers, I will take a look.

 

[Chemical X]

Alberto Callaspo (.288/.366/.375) in 536 PA at 3B is available for pitching....

Also has a B/A fielding rating at 3B.To those that have made offers, I will take a look.

logan ondrusek?

 

[oso diablo]

You can blame Oso. Kelly doesn't even cross my mind if my #3/#4 SP's are still on the board.

i guess people have convinced themselves that top tier pitchers don't carry the same injury/variance risk. I disagree. We've already seen Wainwright go down to injury, and it was only our struggle to get this thing going that saved an owner from that demise. And i can point to 2010 to find otherwise top-tier pitchers who stank up the joint.Which is why i think almost every pitcher drafted thus far was picked too early.

Same variance risk? I'll stand by and wait for the explanation of CC Sabathia's variance risk.I look at this league in terms of fielding a major league baseball club. That's essentially what we're trying to do in this draft. We're "playing GM" for a season. Pitching carries injury risks, sure, but that goes with the territory on almost every player in this draft. Just like every player is an injury risk to a real MLB team. But in "real" baseball (as opposed to "fantasy" baseball), pitching wins games.

looks like you won this argument. Sabathia/Kershaw is a heck of a 1-2 punch.

 

[RnR]

You can blame Oso. Kelly doesn't even cross my mind if my #3/#4 SP's are still on the board.

i guess people have convinced themselves that top tier pitchers don't carry the same injury/variance risk. I disagree. We've already seen Wainwright go down to injury, and it was only our struggle to get this thing going that saved an owner from that demise. And i can point to 2010 to find otherwise top-tier pitchers who stank up the joint.Which is why i think almost every pitcher drafted thus far was picked too early.

Same variance risk? I'll stand by and wait for the explanation of CC Sabathia's variance risk.I look at this league in terms of fielding a major league baseball club. That's essentially what we're trying to do in this draft. We're "playing GM" for a season. Pitching carries injury risks, sure, but that goes with the territory on almost every player in this draft. Just like every player is an injury risk to a real MLB team. But in "real" baseball (as opposed to "fantasy" baseball), pitching wins games.

looks like you won this argument. Sabathia/Kershaw is a heck of a 1-2 punch.

Nice bump! Seriously though, it is humorous to me that we had this conversation about variance risk, and then I then took Mr. "Know EXACTLY what you're getting" Adam Dunn in the 4th shortly thereafter. Figured I needed to take the "sure numbers" after going SP/SP. That didn't work out quite as well for me.

 

[the moops]

Sabathia/Kershaw is a heck of a 1-2 punch.

I think my Weaver/Cain is better.

 

[the moops]

I have 440 PA of 1B Lyle Overbay available for......something?

Also, if anyone wants 385 PA from ####### Hanley Ramirez, he is available. :X

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

Sabathia/Kershaw is a heck of a 1-2 punch.

I think my Weaver/Cain is better.

I am kinda partial to my Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels with a Mat Latos kicker...

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

Alberto Callaspo (.288/.366/.375) in 536 PA at 3B is available for pitching....

Also has a B/A fielding rating at 3B.To those that have made offers, I will take a look.

Forgot that I have Ryan Roberts.Chipper Jones is also available for pitching.

 

[Sammy3469]

FWIW, I don't think we should start until WIS really has their ERC+ numbers figured out. I also find it funny that Bautista somehow manages to come out with A/A defense at third making him one of the best 3B seasons ever in the SIM while playing 25 games there while they absolutely hammered some other low innning guys.

 

[Chemical X]

Alberto Callaspo (.288/.366/.375) in 536 PA at 3B is available for pitching....

Also has a B/A fielding rating at 3B.To those that have made offers, I will take a look.

Forgot that I have Ryan Roberts.Chipper Jones is also available for pitching.

i would take him too......not chipper

 

[Doug B]

FWIW, I don't think we should start until WIS really has their ERC+ numbers figured out. I also find it funny that Bautista somehow manages to come out with A/A defense at third making him one of the best 3B seasons ever in the SIM while playing 25 games there while they absolutely hammered some other low innning guys.

25 games played at a position must be just over some WIS computational threshhold.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

You can blame Oso. Kelly doesn't even cross my mind if my #3/#4 SP's are still on the board.

i guess people have convinced themselves that top tier pitchers don't carry the same injury/variance risk. I disagree. We've already seen Wainwright go down to injury, and it was only our struggle to get this thing going that saved an owner from that demise. And i can point to 2010 to find otherwise top-tier pitchers who stank up the joint.Which is why i think almost every pitcher drafted thus far was picked too early.

Same variance risk? I'll stand by and wait for the explanation of CC Sabathia's variance risk.I look at this league in terms of fielding a major league baseball club. That's essentially what we're trying to do in this draft. We're "playing GM" for a season. Pitching carries injury risks, sure, but that goes with the territory on almost every player in this draft. Just like every player is an injury risk to a real MLB team. But in "real" baseball (as opposed to "fantasy" baseball), pitching wins games.

looks like you won this argument. Sabathia/Kershaw is a heck of a 1-2 punch.

Tommy Hanson got hurt and ruined my Haren/Hanson 1-2 punch, fwiw.

 

[RnR]

Sabathia/Kershaw is a heck of a 1-2 punch.

I think my Weaver/Cain is better.

I am kinda partial to my Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels with a Mat Latos kicker...

There's my strategy partner.What'd your final pitching line look like?I'm at: Pitching Totals 101-57-48 1,483 3.16 .232 1.17 7.96 2.73 0.80 1311-450

 

[Eephus]

FWIW, I don't think we should start until WIS really has their ERC+ numbers figured out. I also find it funny that Bautista somehow manages to come out with A/A defense at third making him one of the best 3B seasons ever in the SIM while playing 25 games there while they absolutely hammered some other low innning guys.

25 games played at a position must be just over some WIS computational threshhold.

His raw RF/G and FLD% are well above league average. He's helped by the fact he averaged 8.2 innings per game during his 25 appearances at the position. But I think Doug B is right that Bautista reached some magical WIS threshold for minimum games. Michael Cuddyer played 17 games at 2B with real-life fielding stats above league per game averages, but his WIS stats were reduced.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Sabathia/Kershaw is a heck of a 1-2 punch.

I think my Weaver/Cain is better.

I am kinda partial to my Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels with a Mat Latos kicker...

There's my strategy partner.What'd your final pitching line look like?I'm at: Pitching Totals 101-57-48 1,483 3.16 .232 1.17 7.96 2.73 0.80 1311-450

That's pretty damn good.Pitching Totals 79-76-58 1,447 3.63 .251 1.29 7.54 3.05 0.90 1212-490 $37,508,971

 

[RnR]

Sabathia/Kershaw is a heck of a 1-2 punch.

I think my Weaver/Cain is better.

I am kinda partial to my Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels with a Mat Latos kicker...

There's my strategy partner.What'd your final pitching line look like?I'm at: Pitching Totals 101-57-48 1,483 3.16 .232 1.17 7.96 2.73 0.80 1311-450

That's pretty damn good.Pitching Totals 79-76-58 1,447 3.63 .251 1.29 7.54 3.05 0.90 1212-490 $37,508,971

Not too bad yourself. Problem for me is this: Batting Totals 5630 5089 164 642 104-49 987-445 31.0 .271 .332 .433 B/C

 

[Doug B]

Problem for me is this: Batting Totals 5630 5089 164 642 104-49 987-445 31.0 .271 .332 .433 B/C

That's fine batting in this thing ... especially with your pitching.

 

[RnR]

Problem for me is this: Batting Totals 5630 5089 164 642 104-49 987-445 31.0 .271 .332 .433 B/C

That's fine batting in this thing ... especially with your pitching.

Hope you're right. Wasted precious early picks on Adam Dunn and Manny Ramirez after focusing on pitching early.. figured I was a goner.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Sabathia/Kershaw is a heck of a 1-2 punch.

I think my Weaver/Cain is better.

I am kinda partial to my Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels with a Mat Latos kicker...

There's my strategy partner.What'd your final pitching line look like?I'm at: Pitching Totals 101-57-48 1,483 3.16 .232 1.17 7.96 2.73 0.80 1311-450

That's pretty damn good.Pitching Totals 79-76-58 1,447 3.63 .251 1.29 7.54 3.05 0.90 1212-490 $37,508,971

Not too bad yourself. Problem for me is this: Batting Totals 5630 5089 164 642 104-49 987-445 31.0 .271 .332 .433 B/C

That's also quite good:Batting Totals 5976 5346 176 701 151-44 1159-525 30.4 .253 .322 .418 B-/B- $41,514,519 Hoping for speed and D here.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

 

[rodg12]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

I'm definitely in for doing one next year. I could be convinced to make it a keeper/dynasty, too. Thinking it might be more fun to just redraft it all though...

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

I'm definitely in for doing one next year. I could be convinced to make it a keeper/dynasty, too. Thinking it might be more fun to just redraft it all though...

I would do both in a heartbeat.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

FWIW, I don't think we should start until WIS really has their ERC+ numbers figured out. I also find it funny that Bautista somehow manages to come out with A/A defense at third making him one of the best 3B seasons ever in the SIM while playing 25 games there while they absolutely hammered some other low innning guys.

25 games played at a position must be just over some WIS computational threshhold.

His raw RF/G and FLD% are well above league average. He's helped by the fact he averaged 8.2 innings per game during his 25 appearances at the position. But I think Doug B is right that Bautista reached some magical WIS threshold for minimum games. Michael Cuddyer played 17 games at 2B with real-life fielding stats above league per game averages, but his WIS stats were reduced.

They give the filter option on min 20 games played, so it's probably right about there.

 

[cheese]

Problem for me is this: Batting Totals 5630 5089 164 642 104-49 987-445 31.0 .271 .332 .433 B/C

That's fine batting in this thing ... especially with your pitching.

Slash line is probably well above average, but thats a really low total of ABs unless he's already thrown out all the guys he doesn't plan on keeping and even then its probably is cutting it close. If I'm wrong there, I severly overestimated the need to draft players who would rack up PAs as I'm more than 1000 over that by design. Regardless, his team is going to be really good.I spent my first 5 picks on hitters and my rotation is still much better than my starting 8.

The good news...

5 SPs with ERAs <3.70

Sheilds, Vazquez, Buehrle 650 innings combined

Plenty of ABs on offense

Great pinch hit options from my extra OF

The bad news...

No real leadoff man

2 dead spots in order due to MINF

No shutdown 8th inning guy

No STUD on offense

I think I'm an above .500 team, but probably no threat to actually win this thing given that I'm not exceptional at anything.

 

[Doug B]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

Not going to lie -- my team sucking has taken a lot of the shine off this format. Really, really dislike the "pick 40 guys and figure it out later" draft.

 

[Eephus]

Problem for me is this: Batting Totals 5630 5089 164 642 104-49 987-445 31.0 .271 .332 .433 B/C

That's fine batting in this thing ... especially with your pitching.

Slash line is probably well above average, but thats a really low total of ABs unless he's already thrown out all the guys he doesn't plan on keeping and even then its probably is cutting it close. If I'm wrong there, I severly overestimated the need to draft players who would rack up PAs as I'm more than 1000 over that by design. Regardless, his team is going to be really good.

I think 5600 PAs should be enough as long as they're distributed relatively evenly.

 

[RnR]

Problem for me is this: Batting Totals 5630 5089 164 642 104-49 987-445 31.0 .271 .332 .433 B/C

That's fine batting in this thing ... especially with your pitching.

Slash line is probably well above average, but thats a really low total of ABs unless he's already thrown out all the guys he doesn't plan on keeping and even then its probably is cutting it close. If I'm wrong there, I severly overestimated the need to draft players who would rack up PAs as I'm more than 1000 over that by design. Regardless, his team is going to be really good.

I think 5600 PAs should be enough as long as they're distributed relatively evenly.

Yeah, that's not my 36-player total. That's my 25-man WIS roster total. Given the AAA, I can easily clear 6000 PA if needed.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

Not going to lie -- my team sucking has taken a lot of the shine off this format. Really, really dislike the "pick 40 guys and figure it out later" draft.

Going forward I think we could work out some kind of running waiver process, particularly since the Fantrax site worked out so well.

 

[RnR]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

Not going to lie -- my team sucking has taken a lot of the shine off this format. Really, really dislike the "pick 40 guys and figure it out later" draft.

Going forward I think we could work out some kind of running waiver process, particularly since the Fantrax site worked out so well.

To be honest, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum on this. If we make it a "waiver" or "supplemental" situation, I'll probably sit it out. I already play fantasy baseball, and that's basically a recreation of that. The fun of this draft, to me, was putting yourself in the shoes of a general manager with your decision making process. Ensuring your 40-man roster has enough depth to withstand injury and poor performance is part of it.

Magically landing a key cog mid-season due to a supplemental draft or waiver system rewards negligent drafting, IMO.

[END pretend baseball nerd rant]

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

Not going to lie -- my team sucking has taken a lot of the shine off this format. Really, really dislike the "pick 40 guys and figure it out later" draft.

Going forward I think we could work out some kind of running waiver process, particularly since the Fantrax site worked out so well.

To be honest, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum on this. If we make it a "waiver" or "supplemental" situation, I'll probably sit it out. I already play fantasy baseball, and that's basically a recreation of that. The fun of this draft, to me, was putting yourself in the shoes of a general manager with your decision making process. Ensuring your 40-man roster has enough depth to withstand injury and poor performance is part of it.

Magically landing a key cog mid-season due to a supplemental draft or waiver system rewards negligent drafting, IMO.

[END pretend baseball nerd rant]

The only problem is that risk and injury contingency aren't evenly distributed. In real life when a starter gets hurt or under-performs, his back-up is promoted to balance out the team. In our version, that transaction likely strengthens one team at the expense of another. As a result, there will always be owners who get stuck with a team that can't be competitive and limited ability to do anything about it.

 

[Eephus]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

Not going to lie -- my team sucking has taken a lot of the shine off this format. Really, really dislike the "pick 40 guys and figure it out later" draft.

Going forward I think we could work out some kind of running waiver process, particularly since the Fantrax site worked out so well.

To be honest, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum on this. If we make it a "waiver" or "supplemental" situation, I'll probably sit it out.

Liar liar, pants on fire

 

[scoobus]

I agree with RNR. I'd love to play next year, but would like to keep it a redraft with no supplemental pickups. That's the reason we draft 40, so you can balance picking up crappy people in case one of your starters goes down versus drafting prospects who may or may not come up and produce big. I'd be more open to additional rounds than a supplemental draft.

 

[RnR]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

Not going to lie -- my team sucking has taken a lot of the shine off this format. Really, really dislike the "pick 40 guys and figure it out later" draft.

Going forward I think we could work out some kind of running waiver process, particularly since the Fantrax site worked out so well.

To be honest, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum on this. If we make it a "waiver" or "supplemental" situation, I'll probably sit it out. I already play fantasy baseball, and that's basically a recreation of that. The fun of this draft, to me, was putting yourself in the shoes of a general manager with your decision making process. Ensuring your 40-man roster has enough depth to withstand injury and poor performance is part of it.

Magically landing a key cog mid-season due to a supplemental draft or waiver system rewards negligent drafting, IMO.

[END pretend baseball nerd rant]

The only problem is that risk and injury contingency aren't evenly distributed. In real life when a starter gets hurt or under-performs, his back-up is promoted to balance out the team. In our version, that transaction likely strengthens one team at the expense of another. As a result, there will always be owners who get stuck with a team that can't be competitive and limited ability to do anything about it.

That's why the 40-man roster should be there. You should be able to diversify most of the injury risk away with proper drafting. 30% of my top 13 picks are not going to make my roster. I still have ample innings and plate appearances. They aren't as good as I would've wanted, but I made sure to pick enough guys with PA and IP opportunities at each position to be reasonably sure I'd make the target numbers.

 

[Doug B]

They aren't as good as I would've wanted, but I made sure to pick enough guys with PA and IP opportunities at each position to be reasonably sure I'd make the target numbers.

There aren't enough real-life major leaguers to ensure this for 24 drafters.As for "being sure to hit the target numbers" ... IMHO, that's far more blind luck than skill/knowledge. Injury avoidance is strictly luck.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

If we do a dynasty type thing we could have a minor league roster. Maybe another 20 rounds?

 

[cheese]

They aren't as good as I would've wanted, but I made sure to pick enough guys with PA and IP opportunities at each position to be reasonably sure I'd make the target numbers.

There aren't enough real-life major leaguers to ensure this for 24 drafters.As for "being sure to hit the target numbers" ... IMHO, that's far more blind luck than skill/knowledge. Injury avoidance is strictly luck.

Are you suggesting that the Rich Harden and Jake Peavys of the world are just as likely to be injured in a given year as Bronson Arroyo or Mark Buehrle? Besides injuries, "hitting the target" comes from not taking chances on minor league players who may come through with big SSS numbers and instead picking some crappy guys with big roles on bad teams. FWIW, I probably went too far this direction with guys like Hannahan, Renteria, O.Cabrera, Bartlett etc so I am certainly not bragging about innings. I wish I had fewer, better innings obviously.

I would vote for exact same format next year, with possible addition of throwing in a few bucks for 1st. Looking forward to playing this out.

 

[scoobus]

They aren't as good as I would've wanted, but I made sure to pick enough guys with PA and IP opportunities at each position to be reasonably sure I'd make the target numbers.

There aren't enough real-life major leaguers to ensure this for 24 drafters.As for "being sure to hit the target numbers" ... IMHO, that's far more blind luck than skill/knowledge. Injury avoidance is strictly luck.

Are you suggesting that the Rich Harden and Jake Peavys of the world are just as likely to be injured in a given year as Bronson Arroyo or Mark Buehrle? Besides injuries, "hitting the target" comes from not taking chances on minor league players who may come through with big SSS numbers and instead picking some crappy guys with big roles on bad teams. FWIW, I probably went too far this direction with guys like Hannahan, Renteria, O.Cabrera, Bartlett etc so I am certainly not bragging about innings. I wish I had fewer, better innings obviously.

I would vote for exact same format next year, with possible addition of throwing in a few bucks for 1st. Looking forward to playing this out.

I agree with everything posted here.And Doug there's no doubt you got unlucky with injuries (especially at C), but to be fair you did draft 2 people who were retired.

 

[Eephus]

They aren't as good as I would've wanted, but I made sure to pick enough guys with PA and IP opportunities at each position to be reasonably sure I'd make the target numbers.

There aren't enough real-life major leaguers to ensure this for 24 drafters.As for "being sure to hit the target numbers" ... IMHO, that's far more blind luck than skill/knowledge. Injury avoidance is strictly luck.

Are you suggesting that the Rich Harden and Jake Peavys of the world are just as likely to be injured in a given year as Bronson Arroyo or Mark Buehrle? Besides injuries, "hitting the target" comes from not taking chances on minor league players who may come through with big SSS numbers and instead picking some crappy guys with big roles on bad teams. FWIW, I probably went too far this direction with guys like Hannahan, Renteria, O.Cabrera, Bartlett etc so I am certainly not bragging about innings. I wish I had fewer, better innings obviously.

I would vote for exact same format next year, with possible addition of throwing in a few bucks for 1st. Looking forward to playing this out.

Unless some people are quietly sitting back fat and happy, it doesn't seem like anybody has a glut of excess PAs or IPs. The margin for error due to injury or underperformance is very thin. We did a pretty good job of scraping the talent pool; there were some guys we missed like Vogelsong and Vance Worley but that's unavoidable with a pre-season draft. Are there any undrafted position players who were reasonably productive in >300 PAs? I can't think of any.I honestly think this type of league would work better with 20 teams.

 

[Doug B]

Are you suggesting that the Rich Harden and Jake Peavys of the world are just as likely to be injured in a given year as Bronson Arroyo or Mark Buehrle?

Heck if I know. I don't have a recent Fantasy BB memory that can tell me the "intangibles" of guys like this. Not being an experienced fantasy BB player is fatal in this format....As for Glaus and Wagner ... after about 25 rounds, I pretty much ran out of names. Did some special research to ferret out some AAA guys that were supposed to contribute this year -- that really backfired. The one fantasy BB magazine I used was only of help for maybe the first half of the draft ... and they whiffed a ton this year (Bautista would regress a ton and only be around the 15th-20th 3B, Loney would make a big leap forward at 1B, Mauer still as #1 C with absolutely no injury concerns, Pierre as #11 overall OF, Colby Lewis as #13 overall SP, etc.). Conceivably, I could have lucked out with a better source that had a one-in-a-million prediction season -- where all their calls hit -- and done a lot better.

 

[Doug B]

To be honest, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum on this. If we make it a "waiver" or "supplemental" situation, I'll probably sit it out.

There's some grey area ... what if the number of possible moves were sharply limited?I mean, if you draft 35 guys, and then pick five more at the All-Star break ... is that really all that different?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

They aren't as good as I would've wanted, but I made sure to pick enough guys with PA and IP opportunities at each position to be reasonably sure I'd make the target numbers.

There aren't enough real-life major leaguers to ensure this for 24 drafters.As for "being sure to hit the target numbers" ... IMHO, that's far more blind luck than skill/knowledge. Injury avoidance is strictly luck.

Are you suggesting that the Rich Harden and Jake Peavys of the world are just as likely to be injured in a given year as Bronson Arroyo or Mark Buehrle? Besides injuries, "hitting the target" comes from not taking chances on minor league players who may come through with big SSS numbers and instead picking some crappy guys with big roles on bad teams. FWIW, I probably went too far this direction with guys like Hannahan, Renteria, O.Cabrera, Bartlett etc so I am certainly not bragging about innings. I wish I had fewer, better innings obviously.

I would vote for exact same format next year, with possible addition of throwing in a few bucks for 1st. Looking forward to playing this out.

Unless some people are quietly sitting back fat and happy, it doesn't seem like anybody has a glut of excess PAs or IPs. The margin for error due to injury or underperformance is very thin. We did a pretty good job of scraping the talent pool; there were some guys we missed like Vogelsong and Vance Worley but that's unavoidable with a pre-season draft. Are there any undrafted position players who were reasonably productive in >300 PAs? I can't think of any.I honestly think this type of league would work better with 20 teams.

Top 10 guys on Fantrax:

Rk  	Pos  	Player  	Action  	Opp  	Score  	GP  	PA  	AB  	R  	H  	HR  	RBI  	SB  	Avg  	OBP  	SLG  	RC27  	K/PA  	E  	Status1 	1B,CI 	Kotchman, Casey - TB  [Sep 28, 3:49 PM: Kotchman (chest) back in lineup Wednesday]   [Sep 28, 8:22 AM: Weaver Won't Start, Who Will?] 		NYY 	3988 	146 	563 	500 	44 	153 	10 	48 	2 	.306 	.378 	.422 	2.93 	0.12 	2 	FA2 	1B,CI 	Guzman, Jesus - SD  [neck - Sidelined]   [Sep 27, 7:52 PM: Jesus Guzman scratched again]   [Sep 28, 8:22 AM: Weaver Won't Start, Who Will?] 		CHC 	3736 	76 	271 	247 	33 	77 	5 	44 	9 	.312 	.369 	.478 	1.55 	0.16 	4 	FA3 	OF 	De Aza, Alejandro - CHW  [Sep 28, 6:53 PM: De Aza had two hits Tuesday in a 2-1...] 		TOR 	3575 	54 	171 	152 	29 	50 	4 	23 	12 	.329 	.400 	.520 	1.10 	0.20 	1 	FA4 	OF 	Bourgeois, Jason - HOU  [Sep 25, 1:17 PM: Jason Bourgeois has wrist tendinitis] 		STL 	3399 	93 	252 	238 	30 	70 	1 	16 	31 	.294 	.323 	.357 	0.89 	0.10 	1 	FA5 	1B,CI,OF 	Parmelee, Chris - MIN  [Sep 26, 9:57 AM: Parmelee had two hits Sunday in a 6-4,...] 		KC 	3348 	21 	88 	76 	8 	27 	4 	14 	0 	.355 	.443 	.592 	0.73 	0.15 	2 	FA6 	C 	Perez, Salvador - KC  [Sep 21, 6:51 PM: Perez had three hits, homered and drove...] 		@MIN 	3346 	39 	158 	148 	20 	49 	3 	21 	0 	.331 	.361 	.473 	0.88 	0.13 	3 	FA7 	OF 	Presley, Alex - PIT  [back - Sidelined]   [Sep 28, 5:18 PM: Presley (back) sitting out season finale] 		@MIL 	3324 	52 	231 	215 	27 	64 	4 	20 	9 	.298 	.339 	.465 	1.23 	0.17 	1 	FA8 	1B,2B,3B,CI,MI 	Downs, Matt - HOU  [Sep 27, 6:06 PM: Downs hit a two-run homer in Monday's...] 		STL 	3202 	106 	222 	199 	29 	55 	10 	41 	0 	.276 	.347 	.518 	1.34 	0.21 	6 	FA9 	OF 	Johnson, Reed - CHC 		@SD 	3181 	111 	266 	246 	33 	76 	5 	28 	2 	.309 	.348 	.467 	1.44 	0.24 	3 	FA10 	OF 	Reddick, Josh - BOS  [Sep 6, 2:48 AM: Josh Reddick returned to action on...] 		@BAL 	3153 	87 	278 	254 	41 	71 	7 	28 	1 	.280 	.327 	.457 	1.42 	0.18 	5 	FA

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

Sabathia/Kershaw is a heck of a 1-2 punch.

I think my Weaver/Cain is better.

I am kinda partial to my Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels with a Mat Latos kicker...

There's my strategy partner.What'd your final pitching line look like?I'm at: Pitching Totals 101-57-48 1,483 3.16 .232 1.17 7.96 2.73 0.80 1311-450

That's pretty damn good.Pitching Totals 79-76-58 1,447 3.63 .251 1.29 7.54 3.05 0.90 1212-490 $37,508,971

Not too bad yourself. Problem for me is this: Batting Totals 5630 5089 164 642 104-49 987-445 31.0 .271 .332 .433 B/C

That's also quite good:Batting Totals 5976 5346 176 701 151-44 1159-525 30.4 .253 .322 .418 B-/B- $41,514,519 Hoping for speed and D here.

My pitching totals are good, but I dont have enough innings. Injuries to Chris Young (shocking!), Hong Chih-Kuo, and Evan Meek really killed me.1,193 IP, 3.37 ERA, .235 OAV, 1.19 WHIP, 8.14 K/9, 2.82 BB/9My batting line isnt too bad at all:5844 PA, 152 HR, 627 RBI, 121-44 SB/CS, 971-641 K/BB, .266 / .350 / .417 A-/C+ DEFI definitely need to move Chipper and Callaspo for some innings....

 

[Eephus]

They aren't as good as I would've wanted, but I made sure to pick enough guys with PA and IP opportunities at each position to be reasonably sure I'd make the target numbers.

There aren't enough real-life major leaguers to ensure this for 24 drafters.As for "being sure to hit the target numbers" ... IMHO, that's far more blind luck than skill/knowledge. Injury avoidance is strictly luck.

Are you suggesting that the Rich Harden and Jake Peavys of the world are just as likely to be injured in a given year as Bronson Arroyo or Mark Buehrle? Besides injuries, "hitting the target" comes from not taking chances on minor league players who may come through with big SSS numbers and instead picking some crappy guys with big roles on bad teams. FWIW, I probably went too far this direction with guys like Hannahan, Renteria, O.Cabrera, Bartlett etc so I am certainly not bragging about innings. I wish I had fewer, better innings obviously.

I would vote for exact same format next year, with possible addition of throwing in a few bucks for 1st. Looking forward to playing this out.

Unless some people are quietly sitting back fat and happy, it doesn't seem like anybody has a glut of excess PAs or IPs. The margin for error due to injury or underperformance is very thin. We did a pretty good job of scraping the talent pool; there were some guys we missed like Vogelsong and Vance Worley but that's unavoidable with a pre-season draft. Are there any undrafted position players who were reasonably productive in >300 PAs? I can't think of any.I honestly think this type of league would work better with 20 teams.

Top 10 guys on Fantrax:

Rk  	Pos  	Player  	Action  	Opp  	Score  	GP  	PA  	AB  	R  	H  	HR  	RBI  	SB  	Avg  	OBP  	SLG  	RC27  	K/PA  	E  	Status1 	1B,CI 	Kotchman, Casey - TB  [Sep 28, 3:49 PM: Kotchman (chest) back in lineup Wednesday]   [Sep 28, 8:22 AM: Weaver Won't Start, Who Will?] 		NYY 	3988 	146 	563 	500 	44 	153 	10 	48 	2 	.306 	.378 	.422 	2.93 	0.12 	2 	FA2 	1B,CI 	Guzman, Jesus - SD  [neck - Sidelined]   [Sep 27, 7:52 PM: Jesus Guzman scratched again]   [Sep 28, 8:22 AM: Weaver Won't Start, Who Will?] 		CHC 	3736 	76 	271 	247 	33 	77 	5 	44 	9 	.312 	.369 	.478 	1.55 	0.16 	4 	FA3 	OF 	De Aza, Alejandro - CHW  [Sep 28, 6:53 PM: De Aza had two hits Tuesday in a 2-1...] 		TOR 	3575 	54 	171 	152 	29 	50 	4 	23 	12 	.329 	.400 	.520 	1.10 	0.20 	1 	FA4 	OF 	Bourgeois, Jason - HOU  [Sep 25, 1:17 PM: Jason Bourgeois has wrist tendinitis] 		STL 	3399 	93 	252 	238 	30 	70 	1 	16 	31 	.294 	.323 	.357 	0.89 	0.10 	1 	FA5 	1B,CI,OF 	Parmelee, Chris - MIN  [Sep 26, 9:57 AM: Parmelee had two hits Sunday in a 6-4,...] 		KC 	3348 	21 	88 	76 	8 	27 	4 	14 	0 	.355 	.443 	.592 	0.73 	0.15 	2 	FA6 	C 	Perez, Salvador - KC  [Sep 21, 6:51 PM: Perez had three hits, homered and drove...] 		@MIN 	3346 	39 	158 	148 	20 	49 	3 	21 	0 	.331 	.361 	.473 	0.88 	0.13 	3 	FA7 	OF 	Presley, Alex - PIT  [back - Sidelined]   [Sep 28, 5:18 PM: Presley (back) sitting out season finale] 		@MIL 	3324 	52 	231 	215 	27 	64 	4 	20 	9 	.298 	.339 	.465 	1.23 	0.17 	1 	FA8 	1B,2B,3B,CI,MI 	Downs, Matt - HOU  [Sep 27, 6:06 PM: Downs hit a two-run homer in Monday's...] 		STL 	3202 	106 	222 	199 	29 	55 	10 	41 	0 	.276 	.347 	.518 	1.34 	0.21 	6 	FA9 	OF 	Johnson, Reed - CHC 		@SD 	3181 	111 	266 	246 	33 	76 	5 	28 	2 	.309 	.348 	.467 	1.44 	0.24 	3 	FA10 	OF 	Reddick, Josh - BOS  [Sep 6, 2:48 AM: Josh Reddick returned to action on...] 		@BAL 	3153 	87 	278 	254 	41 	71 	7 	28 	1 	.280 	.327 	.457 	1.42 	0.18 	5 	FA

Note to self for 2012: Most of these guys fall into the second chance prospects category.