WIS V All-Time Baseball Draft: HARRRRRRRIFIC (1 Viewer)

[hoopsfan3386]

I'm in if certain conditions are met:

-Capella is in

-Funkley is in

-GWB is in

-Rude Dude is in

-Koya is out

-I set the rules

-The draft is held here

-Larry teams up with hoopsfan

-Trey is in

-Sammy is in

-Yahtzee hi-score is mentioned randomly every 10 pages ("351")

-artpad shtick is tried atleast once by all involved

-King Kelly is draftable in his best year

I'm ready when you are.

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[hoopsfan3386]

-Koya is out

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Tough, but fair.
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[hoopsfan3386]

Most of these demands are doable.  Instead of eliminating both Larry and Koya, howabout forcing them into a partnership?

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[hoopsfan3386]

I'm in if certain conditions are met:

-Capella is in

-Funkley is in

-GWB is in

-Rude Dude is in

-The draft is held here

-Trey is in

-Sammy is in

-Larry is out

-Yahtzee hi-score is mentioned randomly every 10 pages ("351")

-artpad shtick is tried atleast once by all involved

-King Kelly is draftable in his best year

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-Koya is out

-I set the rules

Hope you still join anyway.

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Showdown? It's up to you. Koya is the deal breaker, we'll agree on the rules.
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Sorry man. Not a negotiation. If we let everyone's personal beefs dictate who can and can't play, we'll have no one left.Hell, I'd kick out half the league.

Hope you still play.

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Find 23 guys, then vote on 24...me or Koya. I'm good with that.
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[10993]

I'm in if certain conditions are met:

-Capella is in

-Funkley is in

-GWB is in

-Rude Dude is in

-The draft is held here

-Trey is in

-Sammy is in

-Larry is out

-Yahtzee hi-score is mentioned randomly every 10 pages ("351")

-artpad shtick is tried atleast once by all involved

-King Kelly is draftable in his best year

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-Koya is out

-I set the rules

Hope you still join anyway.

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Showdown? It's up to you. Koya is the deal breaker, we'll agree on the rules.
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Sorry man. Not a negotiation. If we let everyone's personal beefs dictate who can and can't play, we'll have no one left.Hell, I'd kick out half the league.

Hope you still play.

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Find 23 guys, then vote on 24...me or Koya. I'm good with that.
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This might work, but I dunno. Let me think about it. Not going to close the door on this idea.

 

[ScottNorwood]

What's the point of doing this during real life baseball season?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

501

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

3 Members: Mr. Pickles, NOC, Doug B

Hey, NOC.
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[Sammy3469]

What's the point of doing this during real life baseball season?

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Since MLB in their infinite wisdom doesn't play during the day everyday, I need something to do, and arguing with bueno is getting old. In 2 words:WORK SUCKS

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

1901 was the AL's first season.  NL has been around since 1876.  Do we go back that far, or just until 1901?

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It's certainly open to discussion, but I'd prefer 1876.
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WIS only goes back to 1885
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BTW, are we still gonna do that "third best year" crap?
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hell no
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What you do is pick the top 5 seasons for a particular player. Then for each player, you roll a die to determine which of those seasons you get.Simple enough, right?

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nahPeople can pick any year they want.

I think we should allow drafting of players' different years separately, too, this time around. To level the playing field. It's not like we're drafting all-time teams anymore. This really opens up the seasons that we've got to work with, and makes things a little more interesting overall, I think.

i.e. I draft Barry Bonds, 2003

Barry Bonds, 2004 is still available.

Thoughts?

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So someone could logistically draft Barry Bonds 8 times?Um, no.

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Yeah.Look, fact is it's gotten stale the other way, and we have too much accumulated data on most of those seasons. Opening up the second- and third-best seasons, and more, of the greatest players really makes things new and interesting. We need more wrinkles for those of us who have been around since WIS I. This will provide it.

Plus, there will still be exclusivity of seasons.

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Can we at least limit it to 3 of each player or something? I don't want 15 Cy Youngs in the league.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I'm in if certain conditions are met:

-Capella is in

-Funkley is in

-GWB is in

-Rude Dude is in

-Koya is out

-I set the rules

-The draft is held here

-Larry is out

-Trey is in

-Sammy is in

-Yahtzee hi-score is mentioned randomly every 10 pages ("351")

-artpad shtick is tried atleast once by all involved

-King Kelly is draftable in his best year

I'm ready when you are.

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BTW - I heard that the folks at Yahtzee said that 351 is a 100,000,000,000 to 1 shot. Amazing.

 

[10993]

1901 was the AL's first season.  NL has been around since 1876.  Do we go back that far, or just until 1901?

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It's certainly open to discussion, but I'd prefer 1876.
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WIS only goes back to 1885
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BTW, are we still gonna do that "third best year" crap?
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hell no
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What you do is pick the top 5 seasons for a particular player. Then for each player, you roll a die to determine which of those seasons you get.Simple enough, right?

:stonedbanana: (we need this smiley if this draft is to work over here)

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nahPeople can pick any year they want.

I think we should allow drafting of players' different years separately, too, this time around. To level the playing field. It's not like we're drafting all-time teams anymore. This really opens up the seasons that we've got to work with, and makes things a little more interesting overall, I think.

i.e. I draft Barry Bonds, 2003

Barry Bonds, 2004 is still available.

Thoughts?

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So someone could logistically draft Barry Bonds 8 times?Um, no.

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Yeah.Look, fact is it's gotten stale the other way, and we have too much accumulated data on most of those seasons. Opening up the second- and third-best seasons, and more, of the greatest players really makes things new and interesting. We need more wrinkles for those of us who have been around since WIS I. This will provide it.

Plus, there will still be exclusivity of seasons.

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Can we at least limit it to 3 of each player or something? I don't want 15 Cy Youngs in the league.
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Just quickly looking over the available seasons, it's a fairly small group of guys who have any more than 3-5 usable seasons after opening them all up. So that rule would be specifically created to affect those few people, which seems illogical.If anything, the much wider variety in player seasons should allow for a more competitive and even league. Will be just as interesting to me to see how '03 Bonds plays as compared to '04 Bonds as it was when we previously were seeing how '04 Bonds compared to '27 Ruth

 

[Sammy3469]

1901 was the AL's first season.  NL has been around since 1876.  Do we go back that far, or just until 1901?

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It's certainly open to discussion, but I'd prefer 1876.
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WIS only goes back to 1885
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BTW, are we still gonna do that "third best year" crap?
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hell no
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What you do is pick the top 5 seasons for a particular player. Then for each player, you roll a die to determine which of those seasons you get.Simple enough, right?

:stonedbanana: (we need this smiley if this draft is to work over here)

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nahPeople can pick any year they want.

I think we should allow drafting of players' different years separately, too, this time around. To level the playing field. It's not like we're drafting all-time teams anymore. This really opens up the seasons that we've got to work with, and makes things a little more interesting overall, I think.

i.e. I draft Barry Bonds, 2003

Barry Bonds, 2004 is still available.

Thoughts?

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So someone could logistically draft Barry Bonds 8 times?Um, no.

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Yeah.Look, fact is it's gotten stale the other way, and we have too much accumulated data on most of those seasons. Opening up the second- and third-best seasons, and more, of the greatest players really makes things new and interesting. We need more wrinkles for those of us who have been around since WIS I. This will provide it.

Plus, there will still be exclusivity of seasons.

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Can we at least limit it to 3 of each player or something? I don't want 15 Cy Youngs in the league.
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We either go full bore or nothing at all. At least for 1B there shouldn't be a lot of overlap in the guys. I'm guessing that's different for OF,SS, and 2B, but maybe not.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Can we at least limit it to 3 of each player or something?  I don't want 15 Cy Youngs in the league.

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Just quickly looking over the available seasons, it's a fairly small group of guys who have any more than 3-5 usable seasons after opening them all up. So that rule would be specifically created to affect those few people, which seems illogical.If anything, the much wider variety in player seasons should allow for a more competitive and even league. Will be just as interesting to me to see how '03 Bonds plays as compared to '04 Bonds as it was when we previously were seeing how '04 Bonds compared to '27 Ruth

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Whatever. I'm easy. Is this official? I need to begin construction on the TREsheets.

 

[Sammy3469]

BTW i take it back about the 1B, a lot of teams will have Gehrig

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

BTW i take it back about the 1B, a lot of teams will have Gehrig

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[Sammy3469]

BTW i take it back about the 1B, a lot of teams will have Gehrig

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[Hov34]

379, now what?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

379, now what?

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Begin building a comprehensive spreadsheet from which to choose players.Also, feel free to draw a painting of LarryBoy via Artpad.com.

 

[Kraft...]

3 Members: Mr. Pickles, NOC, Doug B

Hey, NOC.
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GB NOC, poor defensless NOC :(

 

[Sammy3469]

Of course we could end up with 9 Hornsby's and 5 Lajoie's at 2B, but I don't really have a probelm with that.

 

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[ScottNorwood]

I'll play if someone else pays my entry fee. Maybe one of you guys can raffle off your member number or something.

 

[Kraft...]

I'll play if someone else pays my entry fee.  Maybe one of you guys can raffle off your member number or something.

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You're better than that Norwood. . . better I tell ya

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Of course we could end up with 9 Hornsby's and 5 Lajoie's at 2B, but I don't really have a probelm with that.

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I would expect 8 Hornsby's, 3 Lajoie's, 2 Morgan's, 2 Jackie Robinson's and 4 Gehringer's.

 

[Kraft...]

Of course we could end up with 9 Hornsby's and 5 Lajoie's at 2B, but I don't really have a probelm with that.

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I would expect 8 Hornsby's, 3 Lajoie's, 2 Morgan's, 2 Jackie Robinson's and 4 Gehringer's.
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we're allowing multiples this time around? I haven't been keeping up with the thread(sick :X ).

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

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Bull-####in-####.

 

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[Doug B]

"Full bore" clones or nothing at all?

Limiting it to two or three clones leaguewide is reasonable IMHO. However, this is not an issue I'd quit over. Mrharrier's point about "best seasons versus best seasons" does hold some water.

It's a shame WIS doesn't let us assign synonyms in their database for our players. Then it wouldn't be 10 Babe Ruths ... we'd have mostly all renamed them.

 

[Hov34]

Of course we could end up with 9 Hornsby's and 5 Lajoie's at 2B, but I don't really have a probelm with that.

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I would expect 8 Hornsby's, 3 Lajoie's, 2 Morgan's, 2 Jackie Robinson's and 4 Gehringer's.
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If this is the case I might re-think joining, although I could have a double-mint team:C '91 Biggio

1B '73 Yaz

2B '97 Biggio

3B '05 ARod

SS '02 ARod

LF '70 Yaz

CF '88Puckett

RF '94 Puckett

SP '96 Smoltz

CL '03 Smoltz

 

[RnR]

Harrier, I think you'll find I'm not the only one that doesn't like the multiple season idea. The least you can do is put it to a vote.

The thought of Ruth, Ruth, Ruth, Bonds, Bonds, Ruth, Bonds, Ruth being the League Leaders in OBP doesn't really do it for me.

 

[dirtyhalos]

if we double up, i vote for limiting the number of clones to 2 or 3

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

if we double up, i vote for limiting the number of clones to 2 or 3

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Momentum Gaining

 

[RnR]

if we double up, i vote for limiting the number of clones to 2 or 3

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Momentum Gaining
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I'd vote for this before I'd vote for all an out Ruth, Bonds, Cy fest.

 

[RnR]

Also, looks like we are down to 7 open spots.

 

[10993]

Of course we could end up with 9 Hornsby's and 5 Lajoie's at 2B, but I don't really have a probelm with that.

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If those guys have collectively played 14 of the best seasons of all time at that position, they deserve the recognition.

 

[dirtyhalos]

i miss the tangent

 

[RnR]

Of course we could end up with 9 Hornsby's and 5 Lajoie's at 2B, but I don't really have a probelm with that.

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If those guys have collectively played 14 of the best seasons of all time at that position, they deserve the recognition.
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Seems sorta bland to me. If a third of the teams have Bonds, Ruth, Hornsby, and Gehrig in their lineup, where is the fun in diving into the all-time draft?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I liked that team called RAJAH that had nothing but Rogers Hornsby playing every fielding position.

 

[10993]

Mrharrier's point about "best seasons versus best seasons" does hold some water.

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Gotta admit, it would be really fun to see how they all compare. I think there would be some real surprises in there. The idea of comparing the best seasons in baseball history now is as exciting to me as the initial idea of comparing the best players across eras.

 

[Sammy3469]

One of the benefits of having so many clones, is it really dimishes the value of the top of the first round. The only truly valuable pick is #1, after that it's a real crapshoot. It really allows you to build a team that you want.

 

[Hov34]

The thought of Ruth, Ruth, Ruth, Bonds, Bonds, Ruth, Bonds, Ruth  being the League Leaders in OBP doesn't really do it for me.

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[RnR]

One of the benefits of having so many clones, is it really dimishes the value of the top of the first round.  The only truly valuable pick is #1, after that it's a real crapshoot.  It really allows you to build a team that you want.

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Isn't the ablility to build your team the way you want it still out there? We're covering 120 years of baseball.

 

[Sammy3469]

Mrharrier's point about "best seasons versus best seasons" does hold some water.

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Gotta admit, it would be really fun to see how they all compare. I think there would be some real surprises in there. The idea of comparing the best seasons in baseball history now is as exciting to me as the initial idea of comparing the best players across eras.
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I'm in your corner assuming you don't have the #1 pick

 

[10993]

Of course we could end up with 9 Hornsby's and 5 Lajoie's at 2B, but I don't really have a probelm with that.

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If those guys have collectively played 14 of the best seasons of all time at that position, they deserve the recognition.
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Seems sorta bland to me. If a third of the teams have Bonds, Ruth, Hornsby, and Gehrig in their lineup, where is the fun in diving into the all-time draft?
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Because all the names are is labels, really. The game is run entirely based on seasons anyway. So we're never really seeing "Babe Ruth." We're just seeing his collection of stats from one particular year. It's a shame that every other year he played, and the intricacies of how some were more power-oriented, others more about getting on base, etc--those are all lost because one or two even huger years is used every time. It's just a real shame to shut out a lot of the best and most memorable seasons ever played because they were played by the same people who had ever better ones, or ones that were more conducive to WIS success. I'd like to open those seasons, those memories, back up.After 4 drafts of doing it the other way, it really is time for freedom.

Plus, I don't want to lose Pumpnick: The First WIS Champ.

TRE - consider it official. Get those TREsheets going.

 

[10993]

Mrharrier's point about "best seasons versus best seasons" does hold some water.

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Gotta admit, it would be really fun to see how they all compare. I think there would be some real surprises in there. The idea of comparing the best seasons in baseball history now is as exciting to me as the initial idea of comparing the best players across eras.
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I'm in your corner assuming you don't have the #1 pick
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Actually, if I had the #1 pick it'd be against my interests to promote this, because then I could increase the difference in quality between my Bonds or Ruth pick and everyone else's picks, because their other seasons would not be available.But actually, after Kraft's roll, I think I'm slotted #2 right now.

 

[Sammy3469]

One of the benefits of having so many clones, is it really dimishes the value of the top of the first round.  The only truly valuable pick is #1, after that it's a real crapshoot.  It really allows you to build a team that you want.

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Isn't the ablility to build your team the way you want it still out there? We're covering 120 years of baseball.
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Not really, especially if you're at the end of the first/start of the second since you pretty much have to take the BPA if you want to have any chance. All the clones produce a pretty flat value structure, so if you want a strong MI, you can do it, or you want guys you hit a ton of HR, you can do that too. If all you're concenred about is the records that's one thing, but it's not like every team is going to have a Ruth.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

It's a shame that every other year he played, and the intricacies of how some were more power-oriented, others more about getting on base, etc--those are all lost because one or two even huger years is used every time.  It's just a real shame to shut out a lot of the best and most memorable seasons ever played because they were played by the same people who had ever better ones, or ones that were more conducive to WIS success.

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En ingles, por favor.

 

[10993]

One of the benefits of having so many clones, is it really dimishes the value of the top of the first round.  The only truly valuable pick is #1, after that it's a real crapshoot.  It really allows you to build a team that you want.

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Isn't the ablility to build your team the way you want it still out there? We're covering 120 years of baseball.
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But that's the whole point. We weren't, before. We were erasing some of the best parts of 120 years of baseball. We were ignoring Barry Bonds entire Pirates career. We were acting as if Bob Gibson only lived, and affected the game, in 1968.We were lying to ourselves. Now is the time for truth. Now is the time for freedom.

We can always go back to the boring way in the next iteration--maybe limit the years to 1945-1946, allow only players whose first names start with A.

 

[Hov34]

So you could have 3 Ruth's on the same team all in the starting lineup?

RF Ruth

DH Ruth

SP Ruth

?

Fun.