Notorious T.R.E.
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Oh man, closed to getting screwed on another roll! Can't wait.
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WIS XVII - The Cartereaganbush League: Scoobus beats Sammy in the Wis Series (2 Viewers)
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Koya
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Some guys like to turn the lights on, let the season run, check in with a light touch.
Some of us like platoons, replacements, split starters and other weird ####.
gonna There is also the double effect of this format. For one, some might have wanted more innings in less players to allow them a couple more swings and misses later on, so more bats. On the other hand, it’s a bit harder to plan for subtleties like PH or replacements when you have that uncertainty (maybe you get a fit late with ok offense but bad defense in one year, the opposite in another, a third that’s a wasteland - harder to plan for and execute certain specifics)
Hoos First
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Mike Diaz 87, 86, 88
Doug B
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Generally not, but there have been times when I've wanted to squeeze every extra game I could out of a good batter with limited PAs (1980 George Brett's 515 PAs is a good example). So sometimes that good batter gets trotted out at 99 or 98%.
To my experience, batters playing in the high 90-percents do all right. Pitchers, not so much.
scoobus
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rodg12
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Eephus
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the moops
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Notorious T.R.E.
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SHOCKER! (confirmed)
scoobus
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Chemical X
Footballguy
this draft is like number 2. really hope WIS web site gets coronavirus.
FishTacoTuesday
Footballguy
FishTacoTuesday
Footballguy
The Chris Bando I just got has a .603 OPS. Ideally Daulton starts, Cliff pinch hits, Chris is a defensive replacement.
FishTacoTuesday
Footballguy
2B Steve Sax 722 PAs SP1 Mike Caldwell 294 IPs
CF Kirby Puckett 696 PAs SP2 Bob Knepper 260 IPs
1B Don Mattingly 732 PAs SP3 John Candelaria 175 IPs
3B Edgar Martinez 592 PAs SP4 Moose Haas 253 IPs
RF Harold Baines/Larry Herndon 1276 PAs Swing/MRP Frank Tanana 248 IPs
SS Hubie Brooks/Jeff Blauser 770 PAs CP Tug McGraw
C Darren Daulton 540 PAs with Cliff Johnson sprinkled in
LF Jerry Mumphrey 622PAs
That's a good lineup because I have some nice #1s and #2a. Pitching should be good but not great, I have a lot of innings at least. The bullpen probably won't be good, every time I drafted a reliever I got the worst option.
I have two unusable players, Randy Velarde and Mel Rojas. That Velarde 2 roll is such bull####, FDAS is FDAS.
CF Kirby Puckett 696 PAs SP2 Bob Knepper 260 IPs
1B Don Mattingly 732 PAs SP3 John Candelaria 175 IPs
3B Edgar Martinez 592 PAs SP4 Moose Haas 253 IPs
RF Harold Baines/Larry Herndon 1276 PAs Swing/MRP Frank Tanana 248 IPs
SS Hubie Brooks/Jeff Blauser 770 PAs CP Tug McGraw
C Darren Daulton 540 PAs with Cliff Johnson sprinkled in
LF Jerry Mumphrey 622PAs
That's a good lineup because I have some nice #1s and #2a. Pitching should be good but not great, I have a lot of innings at least. The bullpen probably won't be good, every time I drafted a reliever I got the worst option.
I have two unusable players, Randy Velarde and Mel Rojas. That Velarde 2 roll is such bull####, FDAS is FDAS.
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Northern Voice
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Guy who got Caldwell in round 11 isn't allowed to whine about rolls IMO...
FishTacoTuesday
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Kraft...
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Chemical X
Footballguy
Looks like i am going;
Butler Steib Orosco
D Murphy Welch Ward
Garvey Deshaies McDowell
J Carter Hurst
Whitt/Steinbach Lea
Gruber
Concepcion
Wills/Hubbard
Might do the best hitter 2nd shtick that is going around, though i may move Concepcion to 2 and push everyone down. I could try Wills 2 based on speed, but his OBP is sub .350, so not ideal. I am hoping to outpitch everyone and catch everything in my Minus park (Shea). I feel very 82-80 here, its all about the SP, let's see if my 5 man roatation outperforms.
Butler Steib Orosco
D Murphy Welch Ward
Garvey Deshaies McDowell
J Carter Hurst
Whitt/Steinbach Lea
Gruber
Concepcion
Wills/Hubbard
Might do the best hitter 2nd shtick that is going around, though i may move Concepcion to 2 and push everyone down. I could try Wills 2 based on speed, but his OBP is sub .350, so not ideal. I am hoping to outpitch everyone and catch everything in my Minus park (Shea). I feel very 82-80 here, its all about the SP, let's see if my 5 man roatation outperforms.
Northern Voice
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Well that didn't work
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Koya
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jfranco77
Footballguy
2B Oquendo89 650pa A/A+ 300/384/381 ... also A+/B+ at 1B, C/C+ at SS
LF Phil Bradley87 701pa B/D+ 295/385/440
1B Cooper82 696pa A/B- 313/343/517
RF Larry Hisle78 600pa C+/C- 291/375/532
SS Larkin92 609pa A/C+ 310/385/462
CF Mazzilli80 668pa A/B 282/374/435 (also D/D- at 1B)
C Porter83 519pa B/C/A+ 265/367/435 and Slaught91 250pa C+/B/A+ 302/370/400
3B Wallach82 645pa C/C+ 271/317/477
4OF Burks90 641pa A/C+ 298/350/484
SS Larry Bowa77 675pa A/C+ 281/313/333
1B Paciorek82 422pa B/D- 311/362/479 (also D-/D- at OF)
3B Randle80 549pa D+/C- 278/348/374 ... also D/D 2B, D/D+ OF
I'll probably move Burks in and out based on park and matchups. OBPs aren't great but not terrible. Power is a bit light. Defense is meh.
LF Phil Bradley87 701pa B/D+ 295/385/440
1B Cooper82 696pa A/B- 313/343/517
RF Larry Hisle78 600pa C+/C- 291/375/532
SS Larkin92 609pa A/C+ 310/385/462
CF Mazzilli80 668pa A/B 282/374/435 (also D/D- at 1B)
C Porter83 519pa B/C/A+ 265/367/435 and Slaught91 250pa C+/B/A+ 302/370/400
3B Wallach82 645pa C/C+ 271/317/477
4OF Burks90 641pa A/C+ 298/350/484
SS Larry Bowa77 675pa A/C+ 281/313/333
1B Paciorek82 422pa B/D- 311/362/479 (also D-/D- at OF)
3B Randle80 549pa D+/C- 278/348/374 ... also D/D 2B, D/D+ OF
I'll probably move Burks in and out based on park and matchups. OBPs aren't great but not terrible. Power is a bit light. Defense is meh.
jfranco77
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Koya
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The final tally Pitching:
ROTATION
SP 1985 John Tudor L 274 1.93 0.209 0.94 5.53 1.6 0.46
SP 1987 Mike Scott R 248 3.23 0.217 1.12 8.47 2.87 0.76
SP 1982 Don Sutton R 250 3.06 0.239 1.15 6.31 2.31 0.65
SP 1991 Bill WegmanR 194 2.84 0.242 1.12 4.14 1.86 0.74
BULLPEN
CL 1991 Juan Berenguer R 65 2.24 0.189 0.98 7.41 2.8 0.7
SU 1990 Doug Jones R 85 2.56 0.218 1.04 5.87 2.35 0.53
SU 1992 Terry Leach R 74 1.95 0.215 1.05 2.69 2.44 0.24
MR 1992 Todd Frohwirth R 106 2.46 0.247 1.3 4.92 3.48 0.34
MR 1988 Erik Hanson R 42 3.24 0.23 1.13 7.78 2.59 0.86
FLEX 1982 Bruce Kison R 142 3.17 0.226 1.15 5.45 2.79 0.95
MU 1982 Kevin Saucier L 41 3.12 0.254 1.59 5.13 6.47 0
Can't say Im upset here as I got lucky enough to recover from the worst possible scenario after rounds 1 and 2. Tudor saved me, and I lucked out here more than batters, with Berenguer's great season, Leach's top season, and getting a solid SP Wegman and Kison late.
Four starters should be almost enough, with two SP in the pen. Saucier is trash, MU only though I likely won't need it.
ROTATION
SP 1985 John Tudor L 274 1.93 0.209 0.94 5.53 1.6 0.46
SP 1987 Mike Scott R 248 3.23 0.217 1.12 8.47 2.87 0.76
SP 1982 Don Sutton R 250 3.06 0.239 1.15 6.31 2.31 0.65
SP 1991 Bill WegmanR 194 2.84 0.242 1.12 4.14 1.86 0.74
BULLPEN
CL 1991 Juan Berenguer R 65 2.24 0.189 0.98 7.41 2.8 0.7
SU 1990 Doug Jones R 85 2.56 0.218 1.04 5.87 2.35 0.53
SU 1992 Terry Leach R 74 1.95 0.215 1.05 2.69 2.44 0.24
MR 1992 Todd Frohwirth R 106 2.46 0.247 1.3 4.92 3.48 0.34
MR 1988 Erik Hanson R 42 3.24 0.23 1.13 7.78 2.59 0.86
FLEX 1982 Bruce Kison R 142 3.17 0.226 1.15 5.45 2.79 0.95
MU 1982 Kevin Saucier L 41 3.12 0.254 1.59 5.13 6.47 0
Can't say Im upset here as I got lucky enough to recover from the worst possible scenario after rounds 1 and 2. Tudor saved me, and I lucked out here more than batters, with Berenguer's great season, Leach's top season, and getting a solid SP Wegman and Kison late.
Four starters should be almost enough, with two SP in the pen. Saucier is trash, MU only though I likely won't need it.
Koya
Footballguy
Love downtown Pitt from a placemaking perspective. Would love to see a ballgame there (baseball. F the Steelers. Sorry bud)
jfranco77
Footballguy
Not a Steeler fan. They can keep their rapist QB and their idiot fans.
PNC Park is amazing though. My favorite park.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Whole lot of good not great here...
Hitters
C 1982 Lance Parrish R 529 486 32 87 3-4 99-40 15.2 .284 .338 .529 B/B/A+ $5,416,334
C 1991 Benito Santiago R 614 580 17 87 8-10 114-23 34.1 .267 .296 .403 C/A/A+ $4,484,455
1B 1978 Andre Thornton R 629 518 33 105 4-7 72-93 15.4 .262 .377 .516 A-/B- $5,168,575
2B 1992 Roberto Alomar S 671 571 8 76 49-9 52-87 71.4 .310 .405 .427 A/D- $5,781,880
SS 1990 Tony Fernandez S 721 635 4 66 26-13 70-71 158.8 .276 .352 .391 A+/B+ $6,543,050
3B 1987 Rance Mulliniks L 372 332 11 44 1-1 55-34 30.2 .310 .371 .500 D/D- $2,374,605
3B 1987 Vance Law R 492 436 12 56 8-5 62-51 36.3 .273 .347 .422 B-/D- $2,649,564
3B 1979 Roy Howell L 563 511 15 72 1-4 91-42 34.1 .247 .310 .405 C+/B $3,242,345
OF 1986 Tim Raines S 669 584 9 62 70-9 60-78 64.4 .334 .413 .476 C+/C- $8,347,459
OF 1991 Devon White S 715 642 17 60 33-10 135-55 37.8 .282 .342 .455 A/A+ $7,348,877
OF 1985 George Bell R 671 611 28 95 21-6 90-43 21.7 .275 .327 .479 C-/C+ $4,435,072
OF 1989 Roberto Kelly R 500 444 9 48 35-12 89-41 49.0 .302 .369 .417 B/B $4,144,202
NO 1990 Dave Hollins S 127 114 5 15 0-0 28-10 22.8 .184 .252 .316 C-/D- $355,877
Pitchers
Hitters
C 1982 Lance Parrish R 529 486 32 87 3-4 99-40 15.2 .284 .338 .529 B/B/A+ $5,416,334
C 1991 Benito Santiago R 614 580 17 87 8-10 114-23 34.1 .267 .296 .403 C/A/A+ $4,484,455
1B 1978 Andre Thornton R 629 518 33 105 4-7 72-93 15.4 .262 .377 .516 A-/B- $5,168,575
2B 1992 Roberto Alomar S 671 571 8 76 49-9 52-87 71.4 .310 .405 .427 A/D- $5,781,880
SS 1990 Tony Fernandez S 721 635 4 66 26-13 70-71 158.8 .276 .352 .391 A+/B+ $6,543,050
3B 1987 Rance Mulliniks L 372 332 11 44 1-1 55-34 30.2 .310 .371 .500 D/D- $2,374,605
3B 1987 Vance Law R 492 436 12 56 8-5 62-51 36.3 .273 .347 .422 B-/D- $2,649,564
3B 1979 Roy Howell L 563 511 15 72 1-4 91-42 34.1 .247 .310 .405 C+/B $3,242,345
OF 1986 Tim Raines S 669 584 9 62 70-9 60-78 64.4 .334 .413 .476 C+/C- $8,347,459
OF 1991 Devon White S 715 642 17 60 33-10 135-55 37.8 .282 .342 .455 A/A+ $7,348,877
OF 1985 George Bell R 671 611 28 95 21-6 90-43 21.7 .275 .327 .479 C-/C+ $4,435,072
OF 1989 Roberto Kelly R 500 444 9 48 35-12 89-41 49.0 .302 .369 .417 B/B $4,144,202
NO 1990 Dave Hollins S 127 114 5 15 0-0 28-10 22.8 .184 .252 .316 C-/D- $355,877
Pitchers
Code:
SP 1988 David Cone R 20-3-0 235 2.22 .213 1.12 8.29 3.11 0.39 213-80 $7,280,933
SP 1987 Mark Langston L 19-13-0 272 3.84 .238 1.31 8.67 3.77 0.99 262-114 $6,670,044
SP 1984 Doyle Alexander R 17-6-0 262 3.13 .242 1.14 4.78 2.03 0.72 139-59 $6,870,513
SP 1983 Bill Gullickson R 17-12-0 243 3.75 .251 1.19 4.46 2.19 0.71 120-59 $5,700,528
SP 1991 Ken Hill R 11-10-0 182 3.57 .224 1.18 6.01 3.33 0.74 121-67 $4,478,892
RP 1988 Randy Myers L 7-3-26 69 1.72 .190 0.91 9.13 2.25 0.66 69-17 $2,443,405
RP 1982 Bill Caudill R 12-9-26 96 2.35 .192 1.05 10.44 3.29 0.85 111-35 $3,207,538
RP 1983 Gary Lavelle L 7-4-20 87 2.59 .229 1.06 7.03 1.97 0.41 68-19 $2,746,537
RP 1992 John Wetteland R 4-4-37 84 2.92 .213 1.20 10.69 3.89 0.65 99-36 $2,116,562
RP 1990 Randy Johnson L 14-11-0 220 3.65 .216 1.34 7.95 4.92 1.07 194-120 $5,023,867
RP 1980 Jim Clancy R 13-16-0 251 3.30 .233 1.38 5.46 4.60 0.68 152-128 $5,801,688
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Koya
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Koya
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OFFENSE / DEFENSE
1 C 1977 Gene Tenace R 581 29.1 0.233 0.415 0.41 C/A-
2 1B 1981 Mike Hargrove L 626 161 0.317 0.424 0.401 C/D
3 OF 1981 Chet Lemon R 586 36.4 0.302 0.384 0.491 B/A-
4 OF 1978 Reggie Smith S 531 15.4 0.295 0.382 0.559 D/D+
5 OF 1977 Oscar Gamble L 470 13.2 0.297 0.386 0.588 B/D-
6 3B 1988 Bobby Bonilla S 690 24.3 0.274 0.366 0.476 C-/A+
7 2B 1992 Robby Thompson R 505 31.6 0.26 0.333 0.415 C+/A+
8 SS 1988 Scott Fletcher R 613 515 0.276 0.364 0.328 A/B
PH/4 1B 1978 Willie Stargell L 453 13.9 0.295 0.382 0.567 B/D-
D/2 OF 1984 Dan Gladden R 384 85.5 0.351 0.41 0.447 B+/A-
D 2B 1990 Jose Lind R 561 514 0.261 0.305 0.34 A/A-
BU OF 1990 Mike Greenwell L 682 43.6 0.297 0.367 0.434 C/D
BU C 1988 Junior Ortiz R 134 59 0.28 0.336 0.381 C/C-
Being the matchup I am, kinda like this. Lot's of flexibility. Gladden and Hargrove are perfect complements to Stargell and Gamble.
Above is one of two balanced lineups, the other would be Gladden and Stargell in place of Gamble and Hargrove.
Small ball lineup will have Hargrove and Gladden 1/2 with Tenace sliding to 6.
Power lineup will have Gamble and Stargell at 3/4 with Tenace and Lemon setting the table.
Also gives me some trade bait - could deal any of Gladden, Hargrove, Lemon, Stargell, Gamble and be able to cover things.
1 C 1977 Gene Tenace R 581 29.1 0.233 0.415 0.41 C/A-
2 1B 1981 Mike Hargrove L 626 161 0.317 0.424 0.401 C/D
3 OF 1981 Chet Lemon R 586 36.4 0.302 0.384 0.491 B/A-
4 OF 1978 Reggie Smith S 531 15.4 0.295 0.382 0.559 D/D+
5 OF 1977 Oscar Gamble L 470 13.2 0.297 0.386 0.588 B/D-
6 3B 1988 Bobby Bonilla S 690 24.3 0.274 0.366 0.476 C-/A+
7 2B 1992 Robby Thompson R 505 31.6 0.26 0.333 0.415 C+/A+
8 SS 1988 Scott Fletcher R 613 515 0.276 0.364 0.328 A/B
PH/4 1B 1978 Willie Stargell L 453 13.9 0.295 0.382 0.567 B/D-
D/2 OF 1984 Dan Gladden R 384 85.5 0.351 0.41 0.447 B+/A-
D 2B 1990 Jose Lind R 561 514 0.261 0.305 0.34 A/A-
BU OF 1990 Mike Greenwell L 682 43.6 0.297 0.367 0.434 C/D
BU C 1988 Junior Ortiz R 134 59 0.28 0.336 0.381 C/C-
Being the matchup
I am, kinda like this. Lot's of flexibility. Gladden and Hargrove are perfect complements to Stargell and Gamble.Above is one of two balanced lineups, the other would be Gladden and Stargell in place of Gamble and Hargrove.
Small ball lineup will have Hargrove and Gladden 1/2 with Tenace sliding to 6.
Power lineup will have Gamble and Stargell at 3/4 with Tenace and Lemon setting the table.
Also gives me some trade bait - could deal any of Gladden, Hargrove, Lemon, Stargell, Gamble and be able to cover things.
