Without Farve, re-rank your Viking Players (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Peterson - about the same value with less TD chances; TDs are always hard to measure anyway.

Harvin - not much change IMO, maybe an increase since hes actually been practicing with the starting QB. I thought he was good for about 70 / 1000 / 8 TDs and I still feel this way.

Rice - without even taking into account his hip injury and its sounds like its bad... he would take the biggest hit.

Shaincoe - big hit, especially in the TDs... the good thing is that no one was really counting on him in the fantasy world.

 

[Winky the tunnel ferret]

Tarvaris - Top ten.

 

[finito]

Peterson - about the same value with less TD chances; TDs are always hard to measure anyway. Harvin - not much change IMO, maybe an increase since hes actually been practicing with the starting QB. I thought he was good for about 70 / 1000 / 8 TDs and I still feel this way.Rice - without even taking into account his hip injury and its sounds like its bad... he would take the biggest hit. Shaincoe - big hit, especially in the TDs... the good thing is that no one was really counting on him in the fantasy world.

I pretty much agree with this. Harvin will probably get a lot of balls in the short to intermediate routes so I don't think it will effect him that much.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Peterson - about the same value with less TD chances; TDs are always hard to measure anyway. Harvin - not much change IMO, maybe an increase since hes actually been practicing with the starting QB. I thought he was good for about 70 / 1000 / 8 TDs and I still feel this way.Rice - without even taking into account his hip injury and its sounds like its bad... he would take the biggest hit. Shaincoe - big hit, especially in the TDs... the good thing is that no one was really counting on him in the fantasy world.

Solid analysis.I like Peterson to stay about the same. To offset some of his TD chances, I think he may break more longer ones this year. That area was lacking last year. Plus I think he sees more dumpoffs now this year.I like Harvin, but not quite at the stats you project, but close.Rice, I am very weary of him already due to the hip. I will avoid this year.Shiancoe, I see a decent dip for him too. Maybe to TE 11 - TE 15 area.

 

[fightingillini]

Obviously the Viking offense changes dramatically.

Peterson would probably see his receptions drop, but will still get a ton of carries and the goalline love. Still a top 5 RB.

Regarding the WRs, I had Favre at 3900-27-17....Jackson I will project at 2900-17-15 with 200-300 rushing yards and 2 rush TDs. So I see the passing offense taking a 1000-10 hit.

Rice takes the biggest hit. I have him at 85-1200-9 with Favre.....I would probably reproject him at 70-900-5 with Tavaris Jackson at QB. I probably would have Harvin at 67-850-5....about the same....1 less TD. Berrian - nonexistent now, almost virtually undraftable.

Shiancoe - much less TDs. Wouldn't be suprised if he only gets 4 now.

I have Rice as WR7, without Favre, about WR22.

I have Harvin around WR25, without Favre, just a couple of spots lower

Shiancoe drops outside the top 20 TEs. Had him at TE12 with Favre.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Peterson - about the same value with less TD chances; TDs are always hard to measure anyway. Harvin - not much change IMO, maybe an increase since hes actually been practicing with the starting QB. I thought he was good for about 70 / 1000 / 8 TDs and I still feel this way.Rice - without even taking into account his hip injury and its sounds like its bad... he would take the biggest hit. Shaincoe - big hit, especially in the TDs... the good thing is that no one was really counting on him in the fantasy world.

You hit the nail on the head on all counts. Pretty much /thread after post 1.

 

[FUBAR]

Peterson - about the same value with less TD chances; TDs are always hard to measure anyway.

Harvin - not much change IMO, maybe an increase since hes actually been practicing with the starting QB. I thought he was good for about 70 / 1000 / 8 TDs and I still feel this way.

Rice - without even taking into account his hip injury and its sounds like its bad... he would take the biggest hit.

Shaincoe - big hit, especially in the TDs... the good thing is that no one was really counting on him in the fantasy world.

Solid analysis.I like Peterson to stay about the same. To offset some of his TD chances, I think he may break more longer ones this year. That area was lacking last year. Plus I think he sees more dumpoffs now this year.

I like Harvin, but not quite at the stats you project, but close.

Rice, I am very weary of him already due to the hip. I will avoid this year.

Shiancoe, I see a decent dip for him too. Maybe to TE 11 - TE 15 area.

Any reason for that thought or just a guess?

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Peterson - about the same value with less TD chances; TDs are always hard to measure anyway.

Harvin - not much change IMO, maybe an increase since hes actually been practicing with the starting QB. I thought he was good for about 70 / 1000 / 8 TDs and I still feel this way.

Rice - without even taking into account his hip injury and its sounds like its bad... he would take the biggest hit.

Shaincoe - big hit, especially in the TDs... the good thing is that no one was really counting on him in the fantasy world.

Solid analysis.I like Peterson to stay about the same. To offset some of his TD chances, I think he may break more longer ones this year. That area was lacking last year. Plus I think he sees more dumpoffs now this year.

I like Harvin, but not quite at the stats you project, but close.

Rice, I am very weary of him already due to the hip. I will avoid this year.

Shiancoe, I see a decent dip for him too. Maybe to TE 11 - TE 15 area.

Any reason for that thought or just a guess?

8 Man in the Box, if Peterson gets by first wave.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Shiancoe had 596 yards and 7 TDs the year before Favre got to Minnesota - he had 566 yards and 11 TDs last season, so I don't think that he drops signifcantly with Favre gone. He is a good TE and I think that Jackson will key on him more. I think the WRs take a hit, but I actually think Shiancoe could get better with a weaker QB.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Shiancoe had 596 yards and 7 TDs the year before Favre got to Minnesota - he had 566 yards and 11 TDs last season, so I don't think that he drops signifcantly with Favre gone. He is a good TE and I think that Jackson will key on him more. I think the WRs take a hit, but I actually think Shiancoe could get better with a weaker QB.

thats a good point, Shain had more yard in 08 on 10 less Recs; but he also had 20 less Targets. Peterson's Stats will be more like 2008 IMO, maybe a little bit better based on ADP improving - 1800 Rushing / 30 Rec for 200 / 10 TDs.

 

[FUBAR]

Peterson - about the same value with less TD chances; TDs are always hard to measure anyway.

Harvin - not much change IMO, maybe an increase since hes actually been practicing with the starting QB. I thought he was good for about 70 / 1000 / 8 TDs and I still feel this way.

Rice - without even taking into account his hip injury and its sounds like its bad... he would take the biggest hit.

Shaincoe - big hit, especially in the TDs... the good thing is that no one was really counting on him in the fantasy world.

Solid analysis.I like Peterson to stay about the same. To offset some of his TD chances, I think he may break more longer ones this year. That area was lacking last year. Plus I think he sees more dumpoffs now this year.

I like Harvin, but not quite at the stats you project, but close.

Rice, I am very weary of him already due to the hip. I will avoid this year.

Shiancoe, I see a decent dip for him too. Maybe to TE 11 - TE 15 area.

Any reason for that thought or just a guess?

8 Man in the Box, if Peterson gets by first wave.

so a lot more <3 and negative yard run too, awesome. FWIW, there should no longer be any doubt who the #1 pick is, but 2-4 are debatable.

 

[MAC_32]

Between this and the hip problem Sidney Rice may become a worthwhile risk, I don't think he's negatively impacted too much by Favre's departure. He's got the skill set of an elite player and put it all together last season, his problem is staying healthy. If he's healthy expect more of the same.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

ADP-Still top2-4

Harvin-much lower maybe Round 7-8 now

Rice-Much much lower like about round 5-6 before I would even consider it. Guy did nothing till Favre got to town.

Shiancoe-About the same...he was TE5 and TE6 the last 2 seasons. Still nice value in the TE 9-12 range off the board.

Bernard Berrian-Still the one to own, he was WR18 in 2008 capping 3 years in a row of top30 runs with folks like Rex Grossman and Tavaris, I would still roll the dice on him.

Tavaris Jackson-Interesting value and a nice bye week filler if you drafted a top QB in the 1st 4 rounds of the draft already.

 

[finito]

Peterson - about the same value with less TD chances; TDs are always hard to measure anyway.

Harvin - not much change IMO, maybe an increase since hes actually been practicing with the starting QB. I thought he was good for about 70 / 1000 / 8 TDs and I still feel this way.

Rice - without even taking into account his hip injury and its sounds like its bad... he would take the biggest hit.

Shaincoe - big hit, especially in the TDs... the good thing is that no one was really counting on him in the fantasy world.

Solid analysis.I like Peterson to stay about the same. To offset some of his TD chances, I think he may break more longer ones this year. That area was lacking last year. Plus I think he sees more dumpoffs now this year.

I like Harvin, but not quite at the stats you project, but close.

Rice, I am very weary of him already due to the hip. I will avoid this year.

Shiancoe, I see a decent dip for him too. Maybe to TE 11 - TE 15 area.

Any reason for that thought or just a guess?

8 Man in the Box, if Peterson gets by first wave.

so a lot more <3 and negative yard run too, awesome. FWIW, there should no longer be any doubt who the #1 pick is, but 2-4 are debatable.

Peterson did pretty well before Favre got to Minnesota, I could see less TDs but his yardage should be pretty similar.

 

[FavreCo]

Not that Favre is retiring but when he actually does, bump up the backup RB becasue the passing game will suck and Peterson will need help.

 

[Alfredo Garcia]

Rice-Much much lower like about round 5-6 before I would even consider it. Guy did nothing till Favre got to town.

I don't diagree that Rice take a huge hit, but I think the reason is the hip rather than the bolded. Rice was a 20 year old rookie when he came in, and there's plenty of receivers who take a couple of years to get acclimated to the NFL. Miles Austin and Vincent Jackson both had 2 very uninspired rookie and sophomore seasons with stud QBs at the helm, so I can't write off Sidney because he didn't do much as a young buck catching balls from Tarvaris Jackson and Gus Frerotte.I'm not saying he gets no downgrade for Favre leaving, and your round 5-6 range is probably spot on. But there's likely reasons in addition to Favre that caused his break out in 2009.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Peterson - about the same value with less TD chances; TDs are always hard to measure anyway.

Harvin - not much change IMO, maybe an increase since hes actually been practicing with the starting QB. I thought he was good for about 70 / 1000 / 8 TDs and I still feel this way.

Rice - without even taking into account his hip injury and its sounds like its bad... he would take the biggest hit.

Shaincoe - big hit, especially in the TDs... the good thing is that no one was really counting on him in the fantasy world.

Solid analysis.I like Peterson to stay about the same. To offset some of his TD chances, I think he may break more longer ones this year. That area was lacking last year. Plus I think he sees more dumpoffs now this year.

I like Harvin, but not quite at the stats you project, but close.

Rice, I am very weary of him already due to the hip. I will avoid this year.

Shiancoe, I see a decent dip for him too. Maybe to TE 11 - TE 15 area.

Any reason for that thought or just a guess?

8 Man in the Box, if Peterson gets by first wave. <_<

FUBAR, it was a combination of a guess and what Maroney=Speed said about once he gets past that first wave he is gone. I also seem to recall a bunch of long runs the last time Favre was not under center there.

 

[sirfumblesalot]

Peterson did pretty well before Favre got to Minnesota, I could see less TDs but his yardage should be pretty similar.

I would actually project more TDs. When it's within 5 yards to the GL I see Minnesota handing it off to Peterson (or Gerhart) more often than not. With Favre they might run more play action taking away some of those short-distance TDs.

 

[dmac37]

Obviously the Viking offense changes dramatically.

Peterson would probably see his receptions drop, but will still get a ton of carries and the goalline love. Still a top 5 RB.

Regarding the WRs, I had Favre at 3900-27-17....Jackson I will project at 2900-17-15 with 200-300 rushing yards and 2 rush TDs. So I see the passing offense taking a 1000-10 hit.

Rice takes the biggest hit. I have him at 85-1200-9 with Favre.....I would probably reproject him at 70-900-5 with Tavaris Jackson at QB. I probably would have Harvin at 67-850-5....about the same....1 less TD. Berrian - nonexistent now, almost virtually undraftable.

Shiancoe - much less TDs. Wouldn't be suprised if he only gets 4 now.

I have Rice as WR7, without Favre, about WR22.

I have Harvin around WR25, without Favre, just a couple of spots lower

Shiancoe drops outside the top 20 TEs. Had him at TE12 with Favre.

I think AD's receptions will be on the rise no matter who the QB is, Chester is gone and AD's receptions have increased each season. If Jackson is the QB they will want some safer dump offs rather than having him wing it all over, also his ability to scramble out of the pocket should create dump passes to the RB.

 

[moderated]

AD - 1,850 total/12 TD's

Sid Rice - 600/5 TD's

Harvin - 650/2 TD's

Berrian - 890/7 TD's

 

[KellysHeroes]

Peterson did pretty well before Favre got to Minnesota, I could see less TDs but his yardage should be pretty similar.

I would actually project more TDs. When it's within 5 yards to the GL I see Minnesota handing it off to Peterson (or Gerhart) more often than not. With Favre they might run more play action taking away some of those short-distance TDs.

ADP had 18 last yr... and I think people were projecting somewhere around 12 to 16 TDs, hard to see him score more than 12 TDs without Farve unless T_Jax has stepped his game up.

 

[Catbird]

I gotta admit to being surprised! This all had so familiar a feeling to it ... I can't help imagining that Brett'll come back yet when he decides in 3 weeks that his ankle can take the punishment and that pain doesn't matter to him.

But if not, ADP's larger share of a smaller TD production may even out, at best. I would project, like Kellys', about 14 TDs. Yards are likely to drop despite carrying a higher % of plays, due to the 8/box Ds, less overall offensive production and time of possessiion, and more garbage time offense. I don't think peterson will probably do as much running out of the clock late either - if Gerhart replaces Taylor's share - as they won't have as many late leads to protect.

I don't see why Berrian would suddenly become more productive than the younger, more talented Harvin and Rice, but agree that Rice will suffer most because the ball won't be in a spot only he can catch it down field with anywhere near the regularity. I saw a big upswing for Harvin in year 2, but this lowers that ceiling, but he'll come closest to previous draft value. Rice's hip now becomes the biggest question on value for Rice, Harvin, Berrian and Tarvaris (replacing wither Favre?).

 

[mlball77]

I would guess Peterson will get more carries, but may be a touch less effective with them with Favre retired. And I agree with the idea that he might have a few less red zone carries.

If the Vikes are a little more run heavy with no Favre, that might mean more carries for Gerhart as well.

With the few commnets about Harvin being relatively unimpacted by a possible Favre retitrement, does that mean T Jackson throws a ton of passes over the middle and in the flats, and not too much down field? I'm honestly asking, as I can't remember what he favored, if anything.

 

[tim_whatley]

Peterson did pretty well before Favre got to Minnesota, I could see less TDs but his yardage should be pretty similar.

I would actually project more TDs. When it's within 5 yards to the GL I see Minnesota handing it off to Peterson (or Gerhart) more often than not. With Favre they might run more play action taking away some of those short-distance TDs.

This is how I have been thinking as well.

 

[GreenNGold]

Why even speculate like this? Favre is still the starting QB for the Minnesota Vikings. This is nothing more than baseless media speculation making up a story on a slow news day.

How easily the sheep are fooled.

 

[David Yudkin]

Tarvaris - Top ten.

I realize the offensive players have changed some. but in the 17 games when Jackson threw at least 20 passes, he averaged 14.65 fantasy ppg (almost 4 ppg from running the football). Last year, based on QBs that played in at least 10 games, that would have ranked him as the #23 fantasy QB, just ahead of Matt Cassel.