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Wk 1: What Have We Learned? (1 Viewer)
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ponchsox
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Phenix
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mr roboto
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delusional
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The NFL will be an arena league type game in a few years as passing fades out rushing.
They need to widen the field a bit I think. When you see more recievers with 100yd games then RBs...something is off
They need to widen the field a bit I think. When you see more recievers with 100yd games then RBs...something is off
skinsrule05
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Wilson is the most overrated RB in dynasty, and maybe the most overrated player period.
JustinHawkins
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Redskins will win the NFC East, and possibly SB.
Bobby Guano
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Yeah I used an early 3rd....never going TE before the 6th again, every time I do I regret it.ppierce said:
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Mr. Brownstone
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I learned that I'm going to pick up Andre Brown and wait for him to return.
zoonation
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msudaisy26
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That the week 1 over react is by far the funniest
Ministry of Pain
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Rosenthal at NFL.com breaks them all down.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000240956/article/what-we-learned-36-takeaways-from-week-1
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000240956/article/what-we-learned-36-takeaways-from-week-1
Raider Nation
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ckalltheway
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They've been kicking and screaming to stay in it for the past couple of years but the window for the Steelers might finally be closed. Especially after the injuries today.
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Avoid 3-4 headed monsters... both WRRC and RBBC. You may be able to take the top option in Denver in Thomas because we were quite sure he would be and in New Orleans such as Sproles in a PPR but one of the other pieces are usually ranked too high. Decker? . Ingram? Pierre Thomas? Ja Jones ?Green Bay was harder to figure out who the odd man out was or is going to be. Will it be Jones every week? probably not.
Both Decker and Jones may end up with a 1000+ yards receiving but they will be too inconsistent to be a decent WR2 or even WR3. We didn't know if it would be Decker or Welker but even in a great passing offense somebody is the odd man out. I have Julio Thomas in one league and I have a feeling some weeks he is going to be a big disappointment but he will probably still have 70-80 catches for 800 + yards and 7-10 tds
Both Decker and Jones may end up with a 1000+ yards receiving but they will be too inconsistent to be a decent WR2 or even WR3. We didn't know if it would be Decker or Welker but even in a great passing offense somebody is the odd man out. I have Julio Thomas in one league and I have a feeling some weeks he is going to be a big disappointment but he will probably still have 70-80 catches for 800 + yards and 7-10 tds
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Papa Georgio
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I learned that if you are an established starting QB like Eli you can drill the ball at a RB before he is turned around and escape all responsibility from everyone if you throw a fit afterward.
Sure the guy was slow getting out but he still made a bad choice, just throw it at his feet or anything. Tired of reading Scott had a "drop" of a pass that led to an interception. Had the QB been Sanchez and the RB been ADP everyone would be blasting Sanchez.
Wrong thread?
Sure the guy was slow getting out but he still made a bad choice, just throw it at his feet or anything. Tired of reading Scott had a "drop" of a pass that led to an interception. Had the QB been Sanchez and the RB been ADP everyone would be blasting Sanchez.
Wrong thread?
steveski
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The timing was off. Eli expected him to be turned around by then. Why would he throw it at his feet when he's trying to complete a pass? Not unusual for a guy who was 3rd string and probably got very limited snaps with Eli to build chemistry.I learned that if you are an established starting QB like Eli you can drill the ball at a RB before he is turned around and escape all responsibility from everyone if you throw a fit afterward.
Sure the guy was slow getting out but he still made a bad choice, just throw it at his feet or anything. Tired of reading Scott had a "drop" of a pass that led to an interception. Had the QB been Sanchez and the RB been ADP everyone would be blasting Sanchez.
Wrong thread?
Man of Zen
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We almost never know the exact design of the play, and who was supposed to do what, when.The timing was off. Eli expected him to be turned around by then. Why would he throw it at his feet when he's trying to complete a pass? Not unusual for a guy who was 3rd string and probably got very limited snaps with Eli to build chemistry.I learned that if you are an established starting QB like Eli you can drill the ball at a RB before he is turned around and escape all responsibility from everyone if you throw a fit afterward.
Sure the guy was slow getting out but he still made a bad choice, just throw it at his feet or anything. Tired of reading Scott had a "drop" of a pass that led to an interception. Had the QB been Sanchez and the RB been ADP everyone would be blasting Sanchez.
Wrong thread?
But when the ten-year vet, two-time SB winner, future HOF'er, and unquestioned leader of the offense has a tiff with the water boy, I'm inclined to side with the former.
Mr. Irrelevant
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Here's what I learned: If Palmer stays upright for 16 games - something I still don't expect, BTW - he's a lock for a top-10 QB finish. And there may be five fantasy-relevant players on that offense - all 3 of the Cards' WRs looked mighty impressive yesterday.
Khy
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Yeah, that was like 99% most likely on Scott. Eli wasn't even looking at him, he's looking down field going through his progressions expecting his check down to be in position that he can just go through the progressions and throw it where he's supposed to be without ever even looking at him. He did just that and Scott was not in position for the pass. I mean it's not really 'Scott's Fault' considering he hasn't had nearly enough time with the first team to get the timing of such a play down. But in the end it's still on him for not being there on time when they were on the 50 yard line with 2 minutes left in a position to take the lead. But I guess just as much blame could be placed on Wilson. If he doesn't fumble twice, the Cowboys have one less touchdown and in the same situation Wilson's on the field and probably catches that pass with ease.We almost never know the exact design of the play, and who was supposed to do what, when.The timing was off. Eli expected him to be turned around by then. Why would he throw it at his feet when he's trying to complete a pass? Not unusual for a guy who was 3rd string and probably got very limited snaps with Eli to build chemistry.I learned that if you are an established starting QB like Eli you can drill the ball at a RB before he is turned around and escape all responsibility from everyone if you throw a fit afterward.
Sure the guy was slow getting out but he still made a bad choice, just throw it at his feet or anything. Tired of reading Scott had a "drop" of a pass that led to an interception. Had the QB been Sanchez and the RB been ADP everyone would be blasting Sanchez.
Wrong thread?
But when the ten-year vet, two-time SB winner, future HOF'er, and unquestioned leader of the offense has a tiff with the water boy, I'm inclined to side with the former.
Coughlin is being non-committal about Wilson right now but my gut tells me Wilson will be walking around with a football all weekend and Coughlin will probably be personally focusing on getting him to hold onto the ball. Yes, fumbling is a big issue and if Wilson cannot learn to hold onto the ball then he's going to be on the bench. But Tiki, Bradshaw and Jacobs all had bad fumbling issues at one point or another in their careers and they were fixed; Wilson's will be fixed as well. Honestly, not that it's a excuse but relooking at those fumbles, both times he's holding onto that ball with two hands and it's just viciously ripped out. With two hands and your body there isn't much more you can ask a player to do to hold onto the ball. Either way, he'll be back out there next weekend I think and hopefully the jitters will be relaxed and we can finally have Wilson's coming out party.
Man of Zen
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I think Wilson's got enough talent -- and the Giants as currently constructed are thin enough at RB -- that he's getting another shot for sure.
But I'll bet his leash got a whole lot shorter.
But I'll bet his leash got a whole lot shorter.
chad in Indy
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i thought this too. This isn't like he was swinging it around like Bryce Brown does. He had it high and tight both times. Seemed like each time, the D got the perfect grab on the ball and spun it out. Not a total excuse, but may save him when coaches critique him from the film. either that or the coaches will get him to the weight room with an all bicep workout.
Man of Zen
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His arm strength, to be sure.
I'm still not convinced he won't lead the league in interceptions. But for me, at least, that's okay, since I don't play in leagues that penalize turnovers all that heavily.
pollardsvision
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NYG could cut Wilson tomorrow and it likely wouldn't cost them a win (and his 7 touches yesterday very likely already cost them one on the other side).mr roboto said:
There's a reason smart teams don't pay a lot of money for RBs and have zero patience for fumbling issues.
There are a lot of guys that can run the ball in the NFL. There is only one that RB in the league that would be worth trouble if he had fumbling issues.
Possessions are too important. Far more important than any one RB's individual running talent. If you can't hold on to the football and pass block, there are just too many other guys that can run the ball to put up with it, no matter how many fantasy teams depend on David Wilson.
Scott seemed decent enough to me last night. No doubt Wilson will get plenty more chances, but if the fumbling issue persists, going to Scott is a much better alternative.
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Mile High
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Since possessions are so important should they cut Manning to, he did have 3 ints.
pollardsvision
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Never said they should cut Wilson. Only that they could and still win games. If the fumbling issues remain, it would be a net positive.
Aside from that, RBs are a million times more replaceable than QBs. A highly productive QB that throws a bunch of picks is obviously still worth holding on to.
The nature of the INT is also quite different than that of a fumble. QB's have to take chances sometimes to make big plays and INT's are just part of the accepted risk. If Cam had taken more chances to throw a pick yesterday, CAR probably would've had a better shot to win that game.
Now, for a mediocre QB, if he throws a bunch of picks, he's probably not worth the trouble.
Fighting for extra yards is nice, but fumbles don't have that same sort of acceptable risk component that INTs do.
jason12vb
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Bush was unstoppable and the Lions could easily have had 50 points yesterday...but I completely disagree with you on the more mature thing. Suh's personal foul on Sullivan took 7 points off the board and was another item to add to the growing list of things to suggest he's a dirty player. Not long after the DB got another unsportsmanlike after being beat for a big play, and Schwartz throwing the challenge flag on that catch by Simpson seemed like a hot-head reaction that wasted a timeout at a time when the game was still very much in question.
I was actually very impressed with the officiating of this game...they had a lot of difficult calls to review and IMO got all of them right.
zilladog
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