Woman beheaded in Oklahoma workplace (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

We need threads like this. Much easier to spot the racists and those who are just stupid.

Although, I do see a lot of overlap within those two categories.

Stupid racists (?) taking somebody's own words, actions, reason for firing, and self-proclaimed name change at face value in order to possibly establish that religion was a motive.

Idiots.

Troglodytes.

http://www.epicurious.com/articlesguides/howtocook/primers/cakes

 

[T Bell]

This guy was a career criminal who just got fired from his job and went nuts. When a Christian goes nuts and shoots up a school, we wonder what happened to them because they went to church and were otherwise wallflowers.

What about the nut in PA who went and shot two state troopers for no apparent reason? Should we see if he posted something about the crusades? What about this guy? Or this guy? Crazy people commit crimes because they are crazy, regardless of what their religious views are. We are quick to find interest in condemning Muslims for their religion when 99% of them are peaceful and dutiful in their following. Some career criminal who just converted to Islam and just got fired from his job is not the best example of a religion. If you want to talk Wahhabi Islamists or Safists then I'm willing to listen.

That's all fine and I agree with it, but note that you had to change your message from "religion had nothing to do with this" to "he's not the best example of his religion".

 

[jon_mx]

We need threads like this. Much easier to spot the racists and those who are just stupid.

Although, I do see a lot of overlap within those two categories.

Also easy to spot the humorless, high-horse, hypersensitive hypocrites.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I stupid.

 

[squistion]

I stupid.

If you are looking for an argument, pick another subject.

 

[HellToupee]

I stupid.

 

[rockaction]

If a beheading occurs, a Muslim probably did it

If a murder happens, a black guy probably did it

If someone is good at math, they're likely Asian

If someone is fat, they are from Louisiana

if someone complains about workplace harassment, they are most likely a woman

If someone buys a 7-11, they are probably South Asian

If a guy is an alcoholic, he's more than likely Native American

If someone is lazy, they are more than not Mexican

If a chick has a great ###, she's Brazilian

It's pretty simple to honestly put the pieces together, but feel free to choose not to.

what should we conclude when there is an actual beheading done by an actual Muslim?

I wonder how many beheadings occur in the US, and how many were committed by Muslims. I'd bet it's more than half.

I think historically, it's mostly been black men who committed the crime of not wanting to be slaves.

In the modern era, it's mostly been automobile drivers who committed the crime of crashing at unfortunate angles.

In Canada, of course, it's guys on Greyhound buses unlucky enough fall asleep next to psychopaths.

But yeah, there's probably an occasional Muslim in there, too.

Thanks for that. Sounds like Douglas Adams.

 

[fatness]

Muslim groups condemn Oklahoma beheading

None of the Muslim groups denounced the Jesus Christ tattoo on the killer's chest.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

If a beheading occurs, a Muslim probably did it

If a murder happens, a black guy probably did it

If someone is good at math, they're likely Asian

If someone is fat, they are from Louisiana

if someone complains about workplace harassment, they are most likely a woman

If someone buys a 7-11, they are probably South Asian

If a guy is an alcoholic, he's more than likely Native American

If someone is lazy, they are more than not Mexican

If a chick has a great ###, she's Brazilian

It's pretty simple to honestly put the pieces together, but feel free to choose not to.

what should we conclude when there is an actual beheading done by an actual Muslim?

I wonder how many beheadings occur in the US, and how many were committed by Muslims. I'd bet it's more than half.

I think historically, it's mostly been black men who committed the crime of not wanting to be slaves.

In the modern era, it's mostly been automobile drivers who committed the crime of crashing at unfortunate angles.

In Canada, of course, it's guys on Greyhound buses unlucky enough fall asleep next to psychopaths.

But yeah, there's probably an occasional Muslim in there, too.

 

[cstu]

All the things you are talking about are in the Bible. A lot of Muslims in the Middle East are uneducated and easily convinced to follow extreme forms of Islam but most intelligent ones are able to make their own common sense interpretation of the Koran.

Little known fact: every Muslim is allowed to make their own interpretation of the Koran.

In fact, there's a sect of Islam (Ismaili) that says they don't have to pray or fast and can gamble/drink alcohol. Women are treated as equals and can lead prayers. Their leader (Aga Khan) lives in Paris and is married to a white woman.

Same with Christians, that doesn't stop liberals from condemning all forms of Christianity, yet still defending Muslims anytime anything weird happens with them.

People who want to keep religion separate from government are not condemning Christianity. Keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

When a Christian kills somebody there's no outrage at Christianity as a whole over it, just as there shouldn't be in a case like this.

 

[Boston]

I have difficulty figuring out which crimes/incidents it's OK to rush to judgment on but with the help of this board I am starting to get a good idea on it...

 

[cstu]

A man suspected of beheading a woman he worked with and stabbing another was a convicted felon who had been released from probation this year, Oklahoma corrections officials confirmed Thursday.

Alton Nolen, 30, was released from probation in April, earlier than the original 2017 date, said Jerry Massie, a spokesman for the Oklahoma Department of Corrections.

What the hell is wrong with Oklahoma for releasing a dangerous criminal like that? Heads are gonna roll for this.

I see what you did there...

 

[rockaction]

All the things you are talking about are in the Bible. A lot of Muslims in the Middle East are uneducated and easily convinced to follow extreme forms of Islam but most intelligent ones are able to make their own common sense interpretation of the Koran.

Little known fact: every Muslim is allowed to make their own interpretation of the Koran.

In fact, there's a sect of Islam (Ismaili) that says they don't have to pray or fast and can gamble/drink alcohol. Women are treated as equals and can lead prayers. Their leader (Aga Khan) lives in Paris and is married to a white woman.

Same with Christians, that doesn't stop liberals from condemning all forms of Christianity, yet still defending Muslims anytime anything weird happens with them.

People who want to keep religion separate from government are not condemning Christianity. Keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

When a Christian kills somebody there's no outrage at Christianity as a whole over it, just as there shouldn't be in a case like this.

Islamic states or Islamic theocracies[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]

Main articles: Islamic state and Sharia
An Islamic state is a state that has adopted Islam, specifically Sharia, as its foundations for political institutions, or laws, exclusively, and has implemented the Islamic ruling system khilafah(Arabic: خلافة), and is therefore a theocracy. Although there is much debate as to which states or groups operate strictly according to Islamic Law, Sharia is the official basis for state laws in the following countries: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. In Nigeria, the constitution provides that states may elect to use Shari'a laws and courts, though non-Muslims are not required in any state to submit to Shari'a jurisdiction and adherence varies by state.[10]

Saudi Arabia maintains religious courts for all aspects of law and has religious police to maintain social compliance.

Pakistan has Islam as its only official religion and its Federal Shariat Court has the duty of striking down any law not complying with the Sharia code of Islamic law; however, ruling falls upon legal scholars who, while required to be Muslim, are not religious clerics.

 

[Christo]

All the things you are talking about are in the Bible. A lot of Muslims in the Middle East are uneducated and easily convinced to follow extreme forms of Islam but most intelligent ones are able to make their own common sense interpretation of the Koran.

Little known fact: every Muslim is allowed to make their own interpretation of the Koran.

In fact, there's a sect of Islam (Ismaili) that says they don't have to pray or fast and can gamble/drink alcohol. Women are treated as equals and can lead prayers. Their leader (Aga Khan) lives in Paris and is married to a white woman.

Same with Christians, that doesn't stop liberals from condemning all forms of Christianity, yet still defending Muslims anytime anything weird happens with them.

People who want to keep religion separate from government are not condemning Christianity. Keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

When a Christian kills somebody there's no outrage at Christianity as a whole over it, just as there shouldn't be in a case like this.

Islamic states or Islamic theocracies[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]

Main articles: Islamic state and Sharia
An Islamic state is a state that has adopted Islam, specifically Sharia, as its foundations for political institutions, or laws, exclusively, and has implemented the Islamic ruling system khilafah(Arabic: خلافة), and is therefore a theocracy. Although there is much debate as to which states or groups operate strictly according to Islamic Law, Sharia is the official basis for state laws in the following countries: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. In Nigeria, the constitution provides that states may elect to use Shari'a laws and courts, though non-Muslims are not required in any state to submit to Shari'a jurisdiction and adherence varies by state.[10]

Saudi Arabia maintains religious courts for all aspects of law and has religious police to maintain social compliance.

Pakistan has Islam as its only official religion and its Federal Shariat Court has the duty of striking down any law not complying with the Sharia code of Islamic law; however, ruling falls upon legal scholars who, while required to be Muslim, are not religious clerics.

What does that have to do with the sentence you bolded?

 

[moleculo]

here's where I am with this:

this guy killed his co-worker because he's a psychopath. This has absolutely nothing to do with his religion.

The manner in which he killed her was inspired by watching Muslim videos.

does it really matter that he beheaded her? at the end of the day, no, it doesn't. She's dead any way you want to spin it. At the same time, the way he did it draws attention to his cause, and makes it impossible to ignore the Muslim angle.

 

[rockaction]

All the things you are talking about are in the Bible. A lot of Muslims in the Middle East are uneducated and easily convinced to follow extreme forms of Islam but most intelligent ones are able to make their own common sense interpretation of the Koran.

Little known fact: every Muslim is allowed to make their own interpretation of the Koran.

In fact, there's a sect of Islam (Ismaili) that says they don't have to pray or fast and can gamble/drink alcohol. Women are treated as equals and can lead prayers. Their leader (Aga Khan) lives in Paris and is married to a white woman.

Same with Christians, that doesn't stop liberals from condemning all forms of Christianity, yet still defending Muslims anytime anything weird happens with them.

People who want to keep religion separate from government are not condemning Christianity. Keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

When a Christian kills somebody there's no outrage at Christianity as a whole over it, just as there shouldn't be in a case like this.

Islamic states or Islamic theocracies[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]

Main articles: Islamic state and Sharia
An Islamic state is a state that has adopted Islam, specifically Sharia, as its foundations for political institutions, or laws, exclusively, and has implemented the Islamic ruling system khilafah(Arabic: خلافة), and is therefore a theocracy. Although there is much debate as to which states or groups operate strictly according to Islamic Law, Sharia is the official basis for state laws in the following countries: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. In Nigeria, the constitution provides that states may elect to use Shari'a laws and courts, though non-Muslims are not required in any state to submit to Shari'a jurisdiction and adherence varies by state.[10]

Saudi Arabia maintains religious courts for all aspects of law and has religious police to maintain social compliance.

Pakistan has Islam as its only official religion and its Federal Shariat Court has the duty of striking down any law not complying with the Sharia code of Islamic law; however, ruling falls upon legal scholars who, while required to be Muslim, are not religious clerics.

What does that have to do with the sentence you bolded?

Because, quite specifically, the region most responsible for personal and religious fundamentalism w/r/t to political and social institutions happens to largely point at one place, and one religion.

 

[Gene Sackman]

Here is what bugs me about this. Beheadings are not culturally acceptable in the US. This is a whack job who happens to be a convert to Islam, that hears about beheadings in a part of the world where those types of things happen. So he does it. Did beings Muslim make him do it? No. Crazy knows no religion (but religion can certainly feed crazy). But now Islamaphobes will wring their hands about this horrible tragedy and try to conflate it to Islam.

That is what bugs you about this? Really? Also, where are beheadings culturally acceptable?

Clearly the women being murdered is unacceptable - I thought that went without saying. Greater chances of beheadings - Oklahoma or Iraq? I'll hang up and listen.

lol - why dont you just hang it up

 

[Christo]

All the things you are talking about are in the Bible. A lot of Muslims in the Middle East are uneducated and easily convinced to follow extreme forms of Islam but most intelligent ones are able to make their own common sense interpretation of the Koran.

Little known fact: every Muslim is allowed to make their own interpretation of the Koran.

In fact, there's a sect of Islam (Ismaili) that says they don't have to pray or fast and can gamble/drink alcohol. Women are treated as equals and can lead prayers. Their leader (Aga Khan) lives in Paris and is married to a white woman.

Same with Christians, that doesn't stop liberals from condemning all forms of Christianity, yet still defending Muslims anytime anything weird happens with them.

People who want to keep religion separate from government are not condemning Christianity. Keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

When a Christian kills somebody there's no outrage at Christianity as a whole over it, just as there shouldn't be in a case like this.

Islamic states or Islamic theocracies[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]

Main articles: Islamic state and Sharia
An Islamic state is a state that has adopted Islam, specifically Sharia, as its foundations for political institutions, or laws, exclusively, and has implemented the Islamic ruling system khilafah(Arabic: خلافة), and is therefore a theocracy. Although there is much debate as to which states or groups operate strictly according to Islamic Law, Sharia is the official basis for state laws in the following countries: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. In Nigeria, the constitution provides that states may elect to use Shari'a laws and courts, though non-Muslims are not required in any state to submit to Shari'a jurisdiction and adherence varies by state.[10]

Saudi Arabia maintains religious courts for all aspects of law and has religious police to maintain social compliance.

Pakistan has Islam as its only official religion and its Federal Shariat Court has the duty of striking down any law not complying with the Sharia code of Islamic law; however, ruling falls upon legal scholars who, while required to be Muslim, are not religious clerics.

What does that have to do with the sentence you bolded?

Because, quite specifically, the region most responsible for personal and religious fundamentalism w/r/t to political and social institutions happens to largely point at one place, and one religion.

So?

 

[jon_mx]

All the things you are talking about are in the Bible. A lot of Muslims in the Middle East are uneducated and easily convinced to follow extreme forms of Islam but most intelligent ones are able to make their own common sense interpretation of the Koran.

Little known fact: every Muslim is allowed to make their own interpretation of the Koran.

In fact, there's a sect of Islam (Ismaili) that says they don't have to pray or fast and can gamble/drink alcohol. Women are treated as equals and can lead prayers. Their leader (Aga Khan) lives in Paris and is married to a white woman.

Same with Christians, that doesn't stop liberals from condemning all forms of Christianity, yet still defending Muslims anytime anything weird happens with them.

People who want to keep religion separate from government are not condemning Christianity. Keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

When a Christian kills somebody there's no outrage at Christianity as a whole over it, just as there shouldn't be in a case like this.

On this forum? Lol. There is plenty of people jumping up and blaming Christianity for all kinds of problems.

 

[rockaction]

All the things you are talking about are in the Bible. A lot of Muslims in the Middle East are uneducated and easily convinced to follow extreme forms of Islam but most intelligent ones are able to make their own common sense interpretation of the Koran.

Little known fact: every Muslim is allowed to make their own interpretation of the Koran.

In fact, there's a sect of Islam (Ismaili) that says they don't have to pray or fast and can gamble/drink alcohol. Women are treated as equals and can lead prayers. Their leader (Aga Khan) lives in Paris and is married to a white woman.

Same with Christians, that doesn't stop liberals from condemning all forms of Christianity, yet still defending Muslims anytime anything weird happens with them.

People who want to keep religion separate from government are not condemning Christianity. Keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

When a Christian kills somebody there's no outrage at Christianity as a whole over it, just as there shouldn't be in a case like this.

Islamic states or Islamic theocracies[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]

Main articles: Islamic state and Sharia
An Islamic state is a state that has adopted Islam, specifically Sharia, as its foundations for political institutions, or laws, exclusively, and has implemented the Islamic ruling system khilafah(Arabic: خلافة), and is therefore a theocracy. Although there is much debate as to which states or groups operate strictly according to Islamic Law, Sharia is the official basis for state laws in the following countries: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. In Nigeria, the constitution provides that states may elect to use Shari'a laws and courts, though non-Muslims are not required in any state to submit to Shari'a jurisdiction and adherence varies by state.[10]

Saudi Arabia maintains religious courts for all aspects of law and has religious police to maintain social compliance.

Pakistan has Islam as its only official religion and its Federal Shariat Court has the duty of striking down any law not complying with the Sharia code of Islamic law; however, ruling falls upon legal scholars who, while required to be Muslim, are not religious clerics.

What does that have to do with the sentence you bolded?

Because, quite specifically, the region most responsible for personal and religious fundamentalism w/r/t to political and social institutions happens to largely point at one place, and one religion.

So?

So keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

 

[Christo]

All the things you are talking about are in the Bible. A lot of Muslims in the Middle East are uneducated and easily convinced to follow extreme forms of Islam but most intelligent ones are able to make their own common sense interpretation of the Koran.

Little known fact: every Muslim is allowed to make their own interpretation of the Koran.

In fact, there's a sect of Islam (Ismaili) that says they don't have to pray or fast and can gamble/drink alcohol. Women are treated as equals and can lead prayers. Their leader (Aga Khan) lives in Paris and is married to a white woman.

Same with Christians, that doesn't stop liberals from condemning all forms of Christianity, yet still defending Muslims anytime anything weird happens with them.

People who want to keep religion separate from government are not condemning Christianity. Keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

When a Christian kills somebody there's no outrage at Christianity as a whole over it, just as there shouldn't be in a case like this.

Islamic states or Islamic theocracies[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]

Main articles: Islamic state and Sharia
An Islamic state is a state that has adopted Islam, specifically Sharia, as its foundations for political institutions, or laws, exclusively, and has implemented the Islamic ruling system khilafah(Arabic: خلافة), and is therefore a theocracy. Although there is much debate as to which states or groups operate strictly according to Islamic Law, Sharia is the official basis for state laws in the following countries: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. In Nigeria, the constitution provides that states may elect to use Shari'a laws and courts, though non-Muslims are not required in any state to submit to Shari'a jurisdiction and adherence varies by state.[10]

Saudi Arabia maintains religious courts for all aspects of law and has religious police to maintain social compliance.

Pakistan has Islam as its only official religion and its Federal Shariat Court has the duty of striking down any law not complying with the Sharia code of Islamic law; however, ruling falls upon legal scholars who, while required to be Muslim, are not religious clerics.

What does that have to do with the sentence you bolded?

Because, quite specifically, the region most responsible for personal and religious fundamentalism w/r/t to political and social institutions happens to largely point at one place, and one religion.

So?

So keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

All the things you are talking about are in the Bible. A lot of Muslims in the Middle East are uneducated and easily convinced to follow extreme forms of Islam but most intelligent ones are able to make their own common sense interpretation of the Koran.

Little known fact: every Muslim is allowed to make their own interpretation of the Koran.

In fact, there's a sect of Islam (Ismaili) that says they don't have to pray or fast and can gamble/drink alcohol. Women are treated as equals and can lead prayers. Their leader (Aga Khan) lives in Paris and is married to a white woman.

Same with Christians, that doesn't stop liberals from condemning all forms of Christianity, yet still defending Muslims anytime anything weird happens with them.

People who want to keep religion separate from government are not condemning Christianity. Keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

When a Christian kills somebody there's no outrage at Christianity as a whole over it, just as there shouldn't be in a case like this.

Islamic states or Islamic theocracies[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]

Main articles: Islamic state and Sharia
An Islamic state is a state that has adopted Islam, specifically Sharia, as its foundations for political institutions, or laws, exclusively, and has implemented the Islamic ruling system khilafah(Arabic: خلافة), and is therefore a theocracy. Although there is much debate as to which states or groups operate strictly according to Islamic Law, Sharia is the official basis for state laws in the following countries: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. In Nigeria, the constitution provides that states may elect to use Shari'a laws and courts, though non-Muslims are not required in any state to submit to Shari'a jurisdiction and adherence varies by state.[10]

Saudi Arabia maintains religious courts for all aspects of law and has religious police to maintain social compliance.

Pakistan has Islam as its only official religion and its Federal Shariat Court has the duty of striking down any law not complying with the Sharia code of Islamic law; however, ruling falls upon legal scholars who, while required to be Muslim, are not religious clerics.

What does that have to do with the sentence you bolded?

Because, quite specifically, the region most responsible for personal and religious fundamentalism w/r/t to political and social institutions happens to largely point at one place, and one religion.

So?

So keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

do you bring a picture of a laughing smiley face with you into court that you hold up after anything thats said you dont agree with ?

 

[lod01]

There is absolutely no reason this POS should not be executed within the end of the week. Trial should take about 20 minutes. Appeal should take another 10 minutes. Next appeal 10 minutes. How many is he allowed? No matter, it can be completed within a week.

 

[rockaction]

• rockaction, Porkchop Sandwich, RandyDB, tfreiboth, Facebook (2), Pope Benedict XVI Fan, BustedKnuckles

This should not be a cause for laughter.

 

[Koya]

We need threads like this. Much easier to spot the racists and those who are just stupid.

Although, I do see a lot of overlap within those two categories.

Also easy to spot the humorless, high-horse, hypersensitive hypocrites.

Fairly predictable responses. But hey, whatever makes you feel better about the fairly ugly reality.

Now, if calling out racism is some 'high horse,' raise it on high.

oh, if being pissed at the latent racism, and honestly, small minded nationalism (thats not patriotis, fwiw, often quite contrary im a country that strives for equality and freedom) makes me hypersensitive, oh woe is me. Seriously.

Now to the best point, as we see the self selected posters who feel that my comment is about them. Interesting.

 

[rockaction]

We need threads like this. Much easier to spot the racists and those who are just stupid.

Although, I do see a lot of overlap within those two categories.

Also easy to spot the humorless, high-horse, hypersensitive hypocrites.

Fairly predictable responses. But hey, whatever makes you feel better about the fairly ugly reality.

Now, if calling out racism is some 'high horse,' raise it on high.

oh, if being pissed at the latent racism, and honestly, small minded nationalism (thats not patriotis, fwiw, often quite contrary im a country that strives for equality and freedom) makes me hypersensitive, oh woe is me. Seriously.

Now to the best point, as we see the self selected posters who feel that my comment is about them. Interesting.

Already been thought about by this narcissist. Figured your ill-considered response of calling anyone with an argument "stupid" and "racist" deserved a response in turn.

Calling it racism doesn't make you stupid, it is stupid. Unfortunately, in reading a poll today, I was forced to read about the ugly truth of the Muslim/race distinction and prison ####. Pew, 2007. Don't even feel like giving you the link, look it up. A million implications, don't think they haven't been considered.

Bake a cake.

Just to reiterate. http://www.epicurious.com/articlesguides/howtocook/primers/cakes

 

[jonessed]

We need threads like this. Much easier to spot the racists and those who are just stupid.

Although, I do see a lot of overlap within those two categories.

Also easy to spot the humorless, high-horse, hypersensitive hypocrites.

Fairly predictable responses. But hey, whatever makes you feel better about the fairly ugly reality.

Now, if calling out racism is some 'high horse,' raise it on high.

oh, if being pissed at the latent racism, and honestly, small minded nationalism (thats not patriotis, fwiw, often quite contrary im a country that strives for equality and freedom) makes me hypersensitive, oh woe is me. Seriously.

Now to the best point, as we see the self selected posters who feel that my comment is about them. Interesting.

 

[dschuler]

Here is what bugs me about this. Beheadings are not culturally acceptable in the US. This is a whack job who happens to be a convert to Islam, that hears about beheadings in a part of the world where those types of things happen. So he does it. Did beings Muslim make him do it? No. Crazy knows no religion (but religion can certainly feed crazy). But now Islamaphobes will wring their hands about this horrible tragedy and try to conflate it to Islam.

Here's what bugs me about politically correct idiots.

 

[dschuler]

At least this was in Oklahoma. The sheriff will be just fine there as I don't expect any punishment from him there in court. He will be looked at as the hero that he is. If this was in California though, he would probably get executed before the terrorist would.

 

[Christo]

All the things you are talking about are in the Bible. A lot of Muslims in the Middle East are uneducated and easily convinced to follow extreme forms of Islam but most intelligent ones are able to make their own common sense interpretation of the Koran.

Little known fact: every Muslim is allowed to make their own interpretation of the Koran.

In fact, there's a sect of Islam (Ismaili) that says they don't have to pray or fast and can gamble/drink alcohol. Women are treated as equals and can lead prayers. Their leader (Aga Khan) lives in Paris and is married to a white woman.

Same with Christians, that doesn't stop liberals from condemning all forms of Christianity, yet still defending Muslims anytime anything weird happens with them.

People who want to keep religion separate from government are not condemning Christianity. Keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

When a Christian kills somebody there's no outrage at Christianity as a whole over it, just as there shouldn't be in a case like this.

Islamic states or Islamic theocracies[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]

Main articles: Islamic state and Sharia
An Islamic state is a state that has adopted Islam, specifically Sharia, as its foundations for political institutions, or laws, exclusively, and has implemented the Islamic ruling system khilafah(Arabic: خلافة), and is therefore a theocracy. Although there is much debate as to which states or groups operate strictly according to Islamic Law, Sharia is the official basis for state laws in the following countries: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. In Nigeria, the constitution provides that states may elect to use Shari'a laws and courts, though non-Muslims are not required in any state to submit to Shari'a jurisdiction and adherence varies by state.[10]

Saudi Arabia maintains religious courts for all aspects of law and has religious police to maintain social compliance.

Pakistan has Islam as its only official religion and its Federal Shariat Court has the duty of striking down any law not complying with the Sharia code of Islamic law; however, ruling falls upon legal scholars who, while required to be Muslim, are not religious clerics.

What does that have to do with the sentence you bolded?

Because, quite specifically, the region most responsible for personal and religious fundamentalism w/r/t to political and social institutions happens to largely point at one place, and one religion.

So?

So keep your religion out of schools and politics and we'll all get along just fine.

do you bring a picture of a laughing smiley face with you into court that you hold up after anything thats said you dont agree with ?

I put more effort into conveying my amusement when I'm being paid.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This guy was a career criminal who just got fired from his job and went nuts. When a Christian goes nuts and shoots up a school, we wonder what happened to them because they went to church and were otherwise wallflowers.

What about the nut in PA who went and shot two state troopers for no apparent reason? Should we see if he posted something about the crusades? What about this guy? Or this guy? Crazy people commit crimes because they are crazy, regardless of what their religious views are. We are quick to find interest in condemning Muslims for their religion when 99% of them are peaceful and dutiful in their following. Some career criminal who just converted to Islam and just got fired from his job is not the best example of a religion. If you want to talk Wahhabi Islamists or Safists then I'm willing to listen.

That's all fine and I agree with it, but note that you had to change your message from "religion had nothing to do with this" to "he's not the best example of his religion".

Nope, not at all. What I'm arguing against here is that this guy did this for Islam, or as we call it here...the Busted Knuckle argument. Me saying he isn't the best example of Islam has nothing to do with that point, it's only an ancillary observation.

 

[fatness]

There is absolutely no reason this POS should not be executed within the end of the week. Trial should take about 20 minutes. Appeal should take another 10 minutes. Next appeal 10 minutes. How many is he allowed? No matter, it can be completed within a week.

Absolutely, because our system of justice is what separates us from something something hell yeah!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This guy was a career criminal who just got fired from his job and went nuts. When a Christian goes nuts and shoots up a school, we wonder what happened to them because they went to church and were otherwise wallflowers.

What about the nut in PA who went and shot two state troopers for no apparent reason? Should we see if he posted something about the crusades? What about this guy? Or this guy? Crazy people commit crimes because they are crazy, regardless of what their religious views are. We are quick to find interest in condemning Muslims for their religion when 99% of them are peaceful and dutiful in their following. Some career criminal who just converted to Islam and just got fired from his job is not the best example of a religion. If you want to talk Wahhabi Islamists or Safists then I'm willing to listen.

Nice strawman.

Nobody said that the murderer's actions are emblematic of all Muslims. At least I didn't say that.

Nobody said that the murderer is construing Islam as it is meant to be construed. At least I didn't say that.

All we said is that it looks like the murderer's religious beliefs played a role in both the interaction and his choice to behead. I bet even the murderer would agree with that statement.

I thought you had it all figured out?

It's pretty simple to honestly put the pieces together, but feel free to choose not to.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

here's where I am with this:

this guy killed his co-worker because he's a psychopath. This has absolutely nothing to do with his religion.

The manner in which he killed her was inspired by watching Muslim videos.

does it really matter that he beheaded her? at the end of the day, no, it doesn't. She's dead any way you want to spin it. At the same time, the way he did it draws attention to his cause, and makes it impossible to ignore the Muslim angle.

i can buy off on this knowing what we know right now.

Also what a horrible crime, I can't imagine what her family must be feeling right now.

 

[T Bell]

here's where I am with this:

this guy killed his co-worker because he's a psychopath. This has absolutely nothing to do with his religion.

The manner in which he killed her was inspired by watching Muslim videos.

does it really matter that he beheaded her? at the end of the day, no, it doesn't. She's dead any way you want to spin it. At the same time, the way he did it draws attention to his cause, and makes it impossible to ignore the Muslim angle.

:goodposting;

i can buy off on this knowing what we know right now.

Also what a horrible crime, I can't imagine what her family must be feeling right now.

Agreed.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This guy was a career criminal who just got fired from his job and went nuts. When a Christian goes nuts and shoots up a school, we wonder what happened to them because they went to church and were otherwise wallflowers.

What about the nut in PA who went and shot two state troopers for no apparent reason? Should we see if he posted something about the crusades? What about this guy? Or this guy? Crazy people commit crimes because they are crazy, regardless of what their religious views are. We are quick to find interest in condemning Muslims for their religion when 99% of them are peaceful and dutiful in their following. Some career criminal who just converted to Islam and just got fired from his job is not the best example of a religion. If you want to talk Wahhabi Islamists or Safists then I'm willing to listen.

That's all fine and I agree with it, but note that you had to change your message from "religion had nothing to do with this" to "he's not the best example of his religion".

Nope, not at all. What I'm arguing against here is that this guy did this for Islam, or as we call it here...the Busted Knuckle argument. Me saying he isn't the best example of Islam has nothing to do with that point, it's only an ancillary observation.

Again....i never said he murdered that woman in the name of religion...i said he chose a method of killing that coincides with his religion

 

[Christo]

This guy was a career criminal who just got fired from his job and went nuts. When a Christian goes nuts and shoots up a school, we wonder what happened to them because they went to church and were otherwise wallflowers.

What about the nut in PA who went and shot two state troopers for no apparent reason? Should we see if he posted something about the crusades? What about this guy? Or this guy? Crazy people commit crimes because they are crazy, regardless of what their religious views are. We are quick to find interest in condemning Muslims for their religion when 99% of them are peaceful and dutiful in their following. Some career criminal who just converted to Islam and just got fired from his job is not the best example of a religion. If you want to talk Wahhabi Islamists or Safists then I'm willing to listen.

That's all fine and I agree with it, but note that you had to change your message from "religion had nothing to do with this" to "he's not the best example of his religion".

Nope, not at all. What I'm arguing against here is that this guy did this for Islam, or as we call it here...the Busted Knuckle argument. Me saying he isn't the best example of Islam has nothing to do with that point, it's only an ancillary observation.

Again....i never said he murdered that woman in the name of religion...i said he chose a method of killing that coincides with his religion

Buncha Muslims?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This guy was a career criminal who just got fired from his job and went nuts. When a Christian goes nuts and shoots up a school, we wonder what happened to them because they went to church and were otherwise wallflowers.

What about the nut in PA who went and shot two state troopers for no apparent reason? Should we see if he posted something about the crusades? What about this guy? Or this guy? Crazy people commit crimes because they are crazy, regardless of what their religious views are. We are quick to find interest in condemning Muslims for their religion when 99% of them are peaceful and dutiful in their following. Some career criminal who just converted to Islam and just got fired from his job is not the best example of a religion. If you want to talk Wahhabi Islamists or Safists then I'm willing to listen.

That's all fine and I agree with it, but note that you had to change your message from "religion had nothing to do with this" to "he's not the best example of his religion".

Nope, not at all. What I'm arguing against here is that this guy did this for Islam, or as we call it here...the Busted Knuckle argument. Me saying he isn't the best example of Islam has nothing to do with that point, it's only an ancillary observation.

Again....i never said he murdered that woman in the name of religion...i said he chose a method of killing that coincides with his religion

...this was without a doubt islam driven

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This guy was a career criminal who just got fired from his job and went nuts. When a Christian goes nuts and shoots up a school, we wonder what happened to them because they went to church and were otherwise wallflowers.

What about the nut in PA who went and shot two state troopers for no apparent reason? Should we see if he posted something about the crusades? What about this guy? Or this guy? Crazy people commit crimes because they are crazy, regardless of what their religious views are. We are quick to find interest in condemning Muslims for their religion when 99% of them are peaceful and dutiful in their following. Some career criminal who just converted to Islam and just got fired from his job is not the best example of a religion. If you want to talk Wahhabi Islamists or Safists then I'm willing to listen.

That's all fine and I agree with it, but note that you had to change your message from "religion had nothing to do with this" to "he's not the best example of his religion".

Nope, not at all. What I'm arguing against here is that this guy did this for Islam, or as we call it here...the Busted Knuckle argument. Me saying he isn't the best example of Islam has nothing to do with that point, it's only an ancillary observation.

Again....i never said he murdered that woman in the name of religion...i said he chose a method of killing that coincides with his religion

...this was without a doubt islam driven

yes...the ''method '' of the killing was islam driven...he could have just stabbed her to death...but he went the extra mile,,,,,The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I'll take a link to the data showing 99% of all muslims are peaceful.

I guess I would like a definition of the term "peaceful" too. If a village pretty much goes about their business daily, but once every ten years stones a woman to death because she was raped, are they part of your 99%?

Moleculo nailed it earlier in this thread. The guy killed her because he was a loon. He picked beheading because he was a muslim.

 

[dschuler]

I can't get over how he actually beheaded a human being at a work facility. Does anyone have anymore details? Anyone who was skinned an animal knows that it would be extremely hard and take several minutes to behead someone with just a knife. Did he use a butcher knife or something? I can't help but think there had to be a couple people who witnessed this, but chose not to help in fear of getting harmed. Tragic.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I can't get over how he actually beheaded a human being at a work facility. Does anyone have anymore details? Anyone who was skinned an animal knows that it would be extremely hard and take several minutes to behead someone with just a knife. Did he use a butcher knife or something? I can't help but think there had to be a couple people who witnessed this, but chose not to help in fear of getting harmed. Tragic.

go to the website Barenakedislam and you can watch how easy it is to cut a head off...it only takes 30 seconds to a minute

 

[fatness]

Troopers Capture Escapee

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Oklahoma Highway Patrol troopers have captured Alton Nolen after an overnight manhunt. Troopers said Nolen escaped when they tried to take him into custody.

 

[fatness]

This guy was a career criminal who just got fired from his job and went nuts. When a Christian goes nuts and shoots up a school, we wonder what happened to them because they went to church and were otherwise wallflowers.

What about the nut in PA who went and shot two state troopers for no apparent reason? Should we see if he posted something about the crusades? What about this guy? Or this guy? Crazy people commit crimes because they are crazy, regardless of what their religious views are. We are quick to find interest in condemning Muslims for their religion when 99% of them are peaceful and dutiful in their following. Some career criminal who just converted to Islam and just got fired from his job is not the best example of a religion. If you want to talk Wahhabi Islamists or Safists then I'm willing to listen.

That's all fine and I agree with it, but note that you had to change your message from "religion had nothing to do with this" to "he's not the best example of his religion".

Nope, not at all. What I'm arguing against here is that this guy did this for Islam, or as we call it here...the Busted Knuckle argument. Me saying he isn't the best example of Islam has nothing to do with that point, it's only an ancillary observation.

Again....i never said he murdered that woman in the name of religion...i said he chose a method of killing that coincides with his religion

Buncha Muslims?

Maybe he can tell us if this is another buncha muslims.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

I don't understand why liberals always stick up for Muslims. If they were ever to gain control most of their special interests would have their civil liberties seriously curtailed.

Women are pretty much a lower form of life in their world. And then the gays....well let's just say homosexuals would not be out parading around as much in a society that is dominated by Muslims. That is not to say that there are not any Muslim homos, rather that the ones in charge would be all in for killing them as soon as possible.

It's sort of perplexing why libs have such a fixation on standing up for a perspective that clearly hates them.

Yeah, that sort of thinking never takes place in the Christian world.

Waiting for the next first Gay Pride march in Riyadh.

We're probably waiting for the first gay pride parade in Biloxi, Mississippi too.

Nice sidestep there.

Ah yes, that classic Christo laugh which tells you he's got nothing.Tell, me...have any links to Gay Pride marches anywhere in the Muslim world? I'll wait.

http://www.dw.de/tens-of-thousands-take-to-the-streets-in-istanbuls-gay-pride-parade/a-17745525

Ahh yes, Constantinople.

why they changed it I can't say

That's nobody's business but the Turks

 

[otello]

So this is being investigated as a hate crime?

 

[rockaction]

I don't understand why liberals always stick up for Muslims. If they were ever to gain control most of their special interests would have their civil liberties seriously curtailed.

Women are pretty much a lower form of life in their world. And then the gays....well let's just say homosexuals would not be out parading around as much in a society that is dominated by Muslims. That is not to say that there are not any Muslim homos, rather that the ones in charge would be all in for killing them as soon as possible.

It's sort of perplexing why libs have such a fixation on standing up for a perspective that clearly hates them.

Yeah, that sort of thinking never takes place in the Christian world.

Waiting for the next first Gay Pride march in Riyadh.

We're probably waiting for the first gay pride parade in Biloxi, Mississippi too.

Biloxi. The Riyadh of America.

 

[rockaction]

Homosexuality laws in majority Muslim countries[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]

Main article: LGBT rights by country or territory
According to the International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA) seven countries still retain capital punishment for homosexual behavior: Afghanistan, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Yemen.