World's Greatest Draft (1 Viewer)

[Ozymandias]

Great job, Fennis.Finally, Krista4 has some competition.

That's the last time I ever say anything good about you, Layne man.

 

[Fennis]

Great job, Fennis.Finally, Krista4 has some competition.

trying to court my vote in the polls? Note to others: It's working.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Keep it rolling, Big Rocks.

Let's finish by tomorrow.

When you put up rankings as good as Fennis just did, I can't see much need for discussion.

Anyone?

 

[thatguy]

Also, Fennis, where would Calvin have ranked as a Rebel?

 

[thatguy]

Keep it rolling, Big Rocks.

Let's finish by tomorrow.

When you put up rankings as good as Fennis just did, I can't see much need for discussion.

Anyone?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Great job, Fennis.

Finally, Krista4 has some competition.

That's the last time I ever say anything good about you, Layne man.

You were 1b before Fennis rolled in.The biggest problem for you was expectations; I knew you were going to tear the cover off the ball, so about all you could is meet expectations.

 

[Fennis]

Where would you have ranked this guy?

http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/profile/rebel.html

That guy gives me chills.Low. 17-20. At first glance 19.

 

[Mario Kart]

Curious about Joan of Arc as a Rebel. I think she is in the Saint/Humanitarian category but her deeds might have been better as a Rebel. She was the one I was going to pick with my 3rd pick but passed and was dead set on my 4th pick for her but was sniped.

And, lets say Guy Fawkes succeeds in his Gunpowder Plot... where does that put him?

 

[Thorn]

Great job, Fennis.Finally, Krista4 has some competition.

trying to court my vote in the polls? Note to others: It's working.

I think Gorbachev got screwed.

 

[Fennis]

Also, Fennis, where would Calvin have ranked as a Rebel?

I don't know, I have to think about it. Honestly, I was dying for people who were not revolutionaries to rank. I was hoping to have more philosophers, scientists and others like that. High side 8 low side 14.

 

[Big Rocks]

Keep it rolling, Big Rocks.

Let's finish by tomorrow.

When you put up rankings as good as Fennis just did, I can't see much need for discussion.

Anyone?

I decided that I needed writeups, so give me 15.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Curious about Joan of Arc as a Rebel. I think she is in the Saint/Humanitarian category but her deeds might have been better as a Rebel. She was the one I was going to pick with my 3rd pick but passed and was dead set on my 4th pick for her but was sniped.

5.08 Joan of ArcWait a second...so somebody else picked Sun Tzu and Carpine, and then you started drafting?Mystery solved!

 

[higgins]

Regarding the celeb vote: I have no idea whether those were prelim or final rankings, or whether discussion is encouraged.

I will, however, reiterate my thoughts from my Hef post....

linky

As this round was beginning, I thought of a pick that may (depending on the judge's criteria) transcend their category -- I'm glad this pick is still available. This pick is not a "lowest common denominator" effort to gain favor from judges/FFA -- it is (imho) simply a great strategic pick that I'm hoping will be top-2.

Celebrity: This individual is instantly recognizable around the globe, just as many others picks are. But, this individual has also:

Made countless others famous, thus continually enhancing his own celebrated reputation;
Put his "brand" into dozens of other countries on multiple continents;
Had countless soirees that the A-list of celebrities would kill to get invited to;
Most women born in civilized society have wondered what it would be like to take part in his enterprise;
Most men born in civilized society have wanted to actually be him;
He is credited for helping along the world's first revolution of a certain type.This individual is 11.12 - Hugh Hefner, Celebrity.

This wasn't some horndog selection -- this guy is the definition of celebrity...having made countless celebrities...having women dream of being part of his publication....having men want to be him...and having his parties be the envy of the A list of celebrities. I was expecting top-3....this guy transcends the category...tell me I'm wrong.

 

[Mario Kart]

5.08 Joan of ArcWait a second...so somebody else picked Sun Tzu and Carpine, and then you started drafting?Mystery solved!

Sun Tzu and his worldly influence >>>> Carpine > ArcHTH

 

[BobbyLayne]

Also, Fennis, where would Calvin have ranked as a Rebel?

I don't know, I have to think about it. Honestly, I was dying for people who were not revolutionaries to rank. I was hoping to have more philosophers, scientists and others like that. High side 8 low side 14.

How about Soviet dissidents like Solzhenitsyn and Zakharov? Where would they have ended up?

 

[Fennis]

Curious about Joan of Arc as a Rebel. I think she is in the Saint/Humanitarian category but her deeds might have been better as a Rebel. She was the one I was going to pick with my 3rd pick but passed and was dead set on my 4th pick for her but was sniped.And, lets say Guy Fawkes succeeds in his Gunpowder Plot... where does that put him?

Unknown. I can only imagine the world is an entirely different place if he succeeded. Maybe hes a hero, maybe hes a villian. I would imagine it would have drastically changed the course of history. Joan of Arc could have been military, I wonder where she ranks there? Or Leader? Its hard for me to do these off the cuff rankings. I read a lot on almost every person in this category, before I ranked them. For me that was the best part of judging. I have to think if she belongs as a rebel.

 

[BobbyLayne]

5.08 Joan of Arc

Wait a second...so somebody else picked Sun Tzu and Carpine, and then you started drafting?

Mystery solved!

Sun Tzu and his worldly influence >>>> Carpine > ArcHTH

I will type slowly.Joan of Arc went in the 5th round. You said:

She was the one I was going to pick with my 3rd pick but passed and was dead set on my 4th pick for her but was sniped.

If someone else made your first two picks, then your 3rd pick would the 5th...

We're gonna need a short bus pickup over here.

 

[Fennis]

Also, Fennis, where would Calvin have ranked as a Rebel?

I don't know, I have to think about it. Honestly, I was dying for people who were not revolutionaries to rank. I was hoping to have more philosophers, scientists and others like that. High side 8 low side 14.

How about Soviet dissidents like Solzhenitsyn and Zakharov? Where would they have ended up?

Somewhere below Lech Walesa and Fidel.

 

[Fennis]

Great job, Fennis.Finally, Krista4 has some competition.

trying to court my vote in the polls? Note to others: It's working.

I think Gorbachev got screwed.

I think he would have been a kick ### WC.

 

[Mario Kart]

I will type slowly.Joan of Arc went in the 5th round. You said:

Oh, right. Thank you for typing slowly. My 4th/5th went with Monet and Rodin. That "value" was too good to pass up. I struggled mightily before picking Rodin over Arc.

 

[krista4]

HERE COME THE HAWKS, THE MIGHTY BLA-A-ACK-HAWKS!

Hippling to begin...now.

 

[krista4]

On to the villian rankings.....This was a difficult category to rank because of all the different criteria to consider when ranking (ie body count vs. sick and twisted). In the interest of getting these rankings posted I did not include commentary but I will be around to respond to any comments. My 1 and 2 are really 1a and 1b with a large drop off after that. Unlike GTBilly who prefers mainly sick and twisted my criteria is basically the follows:(this is not an order of how I weighed the criteria just what it was)1. Body Count2. How sick and twisted it was (Impalement is MUCH worse than a bullet in the head)3. How did it impact society?1. Josef Stalin2. Adolf Hitler3. Vlad the Impaler4. Attila the Hun5. Pol Pot6. Heinrich Himmler7. Torquemada8. Josef Mengele9. Lavrenti Beria 10. Ivan the Terrible11. Osama Bin Ladin12. Adolf Eichman13. Slobodan Milosevic14. Pablo Escobar15. Idi Amin16. Ho Chi Minh17. Saddam Hussein18. Papa Doc Duvalier19. Caligula20. Nero

Very nice rankings. I'd have Ho Chi Minh and probably Idi Amin higher, and maybe the non-Hitler nazis and Bin Laden a little lower, but those are minor quibbles.

 

[Fennis]

Also adding this if it helps. I haven't checked for accuracy, but I think it is correct.

Martin Luther Aresnol of Doom 3.3Simon Bolivar Mad Sweeney 4.11Mohandas Gandhi Abrantes 1.20Nelson Mandela FUBAR 5.4Henry David Thoreau Bobby Layne 15.18Maximilian Robespierre Yankee 8.15Che Guevara JML 6.8Vladimir Lenin DC Thunder 4.13Lech Walesa Doug B 15.9Spartacus Andy Dufresne 6.5Toussaint Louveture thatguy 19.15Pancho Villa Big Ricks 22.1William Wallace higgins 15.12Michael Collins Larry Boy 21.2Fidel Castro usual21 10.7Guy Fawkes mario kart 14.2Peter Benenson Mister CIA 15.19Mikhail Gorbachev thorn 20.14Thich Quang Duc Acer FC 20.16Nzingha herbert the hippo 19.17

 

[Abrantes]

This individual is 11.12 - Hugh Hefner, Celebrity.

This wasn't some horndog selection -- this guy is the definition of celebrity...having made countless celebrities...having women dream of being part of his publication....having men want to be him...and having his parties be the envy of the A list of celebrities. I was expecting top-3....this guy transcends the category...tell me I'm wrong.

The problem is that he's a celebrity in a very insular group, in a very specific environment. He's a celebrity to celebrities and celebrity wannabes, but his impact and image are drastically diminished elsewhere. Making new celebrities shouldn't really count for all that much in the category - well, certainly not as much as the man himself. I'm not sure about how good of a global celebrity he is, either. I agree that he should be higher, but 10-11 sounds about right.

 

[krista4]

Larry Boy, at least three people have suggested you should be the one doing this. Therefore, if you say yes, you're the judges' judge. Want the gig? Say yea or nay.

sure, why not...

OK, decided!LarryBoy44 will rank all the judges (including me) when they are completed. Can't wait.

The 30-post exchange about who will judge the judges was priceless. I hope larry and wikkid will do it, or if just larry that wikkid will do round-by-round rankings like he did last time. Either way it will be fun.

 

[mad sweeney]

5.08 Joan of ArcWait a second...so somebody else picked Sun Tzu and Carpine, and then you started drafting?Mystery solved!

Sun Tzu and his worldly influence >>>> Carpine > ArcHTH

MK's view about Sun Tzu<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Everyone else's/reality

 

[krista4]

Man, this is some serious business in here.

CrankyDraft has been activated.

Hey, that's my trademark!

My people have been in touch with yours. Did you want the check made payable to you or a yet-to-be-named LLC?

Point taken. I'm trying to sell it so I don't have to worry about any of that!

 

[krista4]

I do enjoy Hippling this thread at the end of a day only to have it all ignored the next.

I'll react to your Hipples if you react to mine?

 

[krista4]

I can see both sides of this argument; and each side has some logic for their position. I would personally come down marginally on the side of it being a religion. But, as a judge, NCC has adjudicated based on his position. That's what judges have to do, and he is entirely coherent in his argument.

Though I'm frankly more amazed by the Joseph Smith (religion out of his ###) at #5 ranking.

 

[Abrantes]

I can't figure this conversation out, but there's got to be a double entendre in here that I'm not detecting.

 

[timschochet]

1, Fennis, outstanding job. You deserve to be in the top tier of judges, IMO.

2. Zaxxon, you really disappointed me. Not because of your rankings, but you completely refused to either explain them or engage in discussion. You are the first judge to have done this. Even flysack engaged in at least SOME discussion.

I'm honestly considering asking for another celebrity judge. I don't believe Zaxxon did as I asked in the beginning. I specifically asked each judge to be willing to explain their picks and engage in discussion. That was very clear in the sign up thread.

I would like some feedback on this. Does anyone think we should get another celebrity judge? If the consensus is no, then we'll just leave it alone. But I'm not happy about how this came out. Anybody could have done what Zaxxon did with no effort at all.

 

[rodg12]

Somebody is going to have to explain to me how the heck Jackie O is more of a celebrity than her former husband. How is this justified? How?

 

[krista4]

Any other thoughts on my villian rankings? Yankee, Ozy, NCC? I don't know if there is no uproar because people haven't read them yet or they think they are fine.

I thought, based on your stated criteria, Ivan the Terrible would have come out much higher. I've seen all-time villain lists where he was as high 3rd, behind only Stalin and Hitler. Body count, sick and twisted, would have 500 people tortured and mutliated daily for entertainment purposes, ordered geneocides that were so widespread the river overflowed from too many bodies clogging it, 'accidently' struck and killed his own son in a fit of rage (who was mad at him for beating the crap out of his pregnant daughter-in-law because she dressed too slutty).Was there some quality you were looking for he lacked?

Also he really has the best "villain" nickname. Well, other than Vlad.

 

[krista4]

BobbyLayne and I are on the same page here. In fact, and BL should attest to this since he's reading Shirer too, if there's any single Nazi that deserves consideration for this list besides Adolf Hitler, it's Reinhard Heydrich, who was not drafted.

I knew immediately who you referring to right before my pick of Oskar Schindler (I wrote about my 'Nazi fatigue in the writeup'); but I guess folks forget about him since he was assassinated in '42.Shirer's book has been out almost 50 years...I wonder how much it still gets read? It was always a bit daunting at over 1,000 pages, but I remember our mother had a hard copy in our library (she always made sure we had plenty of classics and current books she thought were important). Growing up in the 60s and 70s, it was kind of drilled into our heads that there were a lot of factors that led to Nazi Germany. It went far beyond one man with persuasive oratorical skills, there were many socio-economic factors as a result of the treaty of Versailles. I remember even as a small child we were taught civil disobedience was important, speak out if you see injustice - Niemöller's poem was widely taught as the civics lesson of the Holocaust:

When the Nazis came for the communists,I remained silent;I was not a communist. Then they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;I was not a social democrat.Then they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;I was not a trade unionist.Then they came for the Jews,I did not speak out;I was not a Jew.When they came for me,there was no one left to speak out for me.

WWII wasn't such a long time ago when I was a child. I wonder how much (if anything) about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust is taught in school today.

Well, I had to read the book not once but twice in college classes, but then again you know where I went.

 

[krista4]

Celebrities List1 - Princess Diana2 - Pope John Paul II3 - Elvis Presley4 - Marilyn Monroe5 - Michael Jackson6 - David Beckham7 - Madonna8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis9 - Audrey Hepburn10 - Charlie Chaplin11 - Barack Obama12 - Lucille Ball13 - King Tutankhamun14 - John F. Kennedy15 - Manfred von Richthofen16 - Eva Peron17 - Jackie Chan18 - Hugh Hefner19 - The Virgin Mary20 - Anna Nicole Smith

Nice list, with at least the first nine right about where I'd rank them. Really tough category to judge.

 

[Fennis]

Somebody is going to have to explain to me how the heck Jackie O is more of a celebrity than her former husband. How is this justified? How?

boobs.

 

[krista4]

Celebrities List1 - Princess Diana2 - Pope John Paul II3 - Elvis Presley4 - Marilyn Monroe5 - Michael Jackson6 - David Beckham7 - Madonna8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis9 - Audrey Hepburn10 - Charlie Chaplin11 - Barack Obama12 - Lucille Ball13 - King Tutankhamun14 - John F. Kennedy15 - Manfred von Richthofen16 - Eva Peron17 - Jackie Chan18 - Hugh Hefner19 - The Virgin Mary20 - Anna Nicole Smith

seriously?The Virgin Mary is so well-known that the picture doesn't even have to look at all like her and everyone still knows who the picture is trying to depict!You see a woman with a baby in that style and assume its the Virgin Mary no matter what she looks like... and its been that way for 1000 years... That should mean something!

Depends upon the criteria he was using, which are unstated. Depending upon how you look at it, she could be #1.

 

[BobbyLayne]

1, Fennis, outstanding job. You deserve to be in the top tier of judges, IMO.2. Zaxxon, you really disappointed me. Not because of your rankings, but you completely refused to either explain them or engage in discussion. You are the first judge to have done this. Even flysack engaged in at least SOME discussion.I'm honestly considering asking for another celebrity judge. I don't believe Zaxxon did as I asked in the beginning. I specifically asked each judge to be willing to explain their picks and engage in discussion. That was very clear in the sign up thread.I would like some feedback on this. Does anyone think we should get another celebrity judge? If the consensus is no, then we'll just leave it alone. But I'm not happy about how this came out. Anybody could have done what Zaxxon did with no effort at all.

1. My GB was awesome.2. Are you effing kidding us, timschochet? We want to finish. Seriously.

 

[Thorn]

Somebody is going to have to explain to me how the heck Jackie O is more of a celebrity than her former husband. How is this justified? How?

boobs.

Rip off. ,s

 

[BobbyLayne]

Celebrities List

1 - Princess Diana

2 - Pope John Paul II

3 - Elvis Presley

4 - Marilyn Monroe

5 - Michael Jackson

6 - David Beckham

7 - Madonna

8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis

9 - Audrey Hepburn

10 - Charlie Chaplin

11 - Barack Obama

12 - Lucille Ball

13 - King Tutankhamun

14 - John F. Kennedy

15 - Manfred von Richthofen

16 - Eva Peron

17 - Jackie Chan

18 - Hugh Hefner

19 - The Virgin Mary

20 - Anna Nicole Smith

seriously?The Virgin Mary is so well-known that the picture doesn't even have to look at all like her and everyone still knows who the picture is trying to depict!

You see a woman with a baby in that style and assume its the Virgin Mary no matter what she looks like... and its been that way for 1000 years... That should mean something!

Depends upon the criteria he was using, which are unstated. Depending upon how you look at it, she could be #1.

Oh, no Krista4...he did tell us his criteria. It was about halfway through the draft, and it was about 5 words or less:"Celebrities should be famous"

Haven't been able to find the post, but he was kind enough to stop by and let us know exactly what he was looking for.

 

[krista4]

How'd that get through the filter anyway?

If you try to do it, you probably can find a way to circumvent it. But one of the reasons I come here is that you can have civilized discourse without people resorting to obscenities.

You new here?

Yep. I'm a newbie. Of course, I beat you by about 5 years.

Oh no... the original MfB is your generation, Ozy -- you may better recognize him as 'slowerde'.

That's cold.

 

[krista4]

Great job, Fennis.Finally, Krista4 has some competition.

OK, that was a great list, though posted in the inverse-tier style that Ozy hates. Shoulda known some GAD winner would steal my thunder.

 

[timschochet]

1, Fennis, outstanding job. You deserve to be in the top tier of judges, IMO.2. Zaxxon, you really disappointed me. Not because of your rankings, but you completely refused to either explain them or engage in discussion. You are the first judge to have done this. Even flysack engaged in at least SOME discussion.I'm honestly considering asking for another celebrity judge. I don't believe Zaxxon did as I asked in the beginning. I specifically asked each judge to be willing to explain their picks and engage in discussion. That was very clear in the sign up thread.I would like some feedback on this. Does anyone think we should get another celebrity judge? If the consensus is no, then we'll just leave it alone. But I'm not happy about how this came out. Anybody could have done what Zaxxon did with no effort at all.

1. My GB was awesome.2. Are you effing kidding us, timschochet? We want to finish. Seriously.

I know, I get it. I'm just pissed that there was no effort put into this. I'll get over it, I guess. But it just grates on me that everyone else put in so much effort, drafters and judges alike. I suppose we'll keep his ranking though...

 

[Thorn]

1, Fennis, outstanding job. You deserve to be in the top tier of judges, IMO.2. Zaxxon, you really disappointed me. Not because of your rankings, but you completely refused to either explain them or engage in discussion. You are the first judge to have done this. Even flysack engaged in at least SOME discussion.I'm honestly considering asking for another celebrity judge. I don't believe Zaxxon did as I asked in the beginning. I specifically asked each judge to be willing to explain their picks and engage in discussion. That was very clear in the sign up thread.I would like some feedback on this. Does anyone think we should get another celebrity judge? If the consensus is no, then we'll just leave it alone. But I'm not happy about how this came out. Anybody could have done what Zaxxon did with no effort at all.

I do like the banter. Um, and JFK ranked higher than his wife.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Also adding this if it helps. I haven't checked for accuracy, but I think it is correct.

Martin Luther Aresnol of Doom 3.3

Simon Bolivar Mad Sweeney 4.11

Mohandas Gandhi Abrantes 1.20

Nelson Mandela FUBAR 5.4

Henry David Thoreau Bobby Layne 15.18

Maximilian Robespierre Yankee 8.15

Che Guevara JML 6.8

Vladimir Lenin DC Thunder 4.13

Lech Walesa Doug B 15.9

Spartacus Andy Dufresne 6.5

Toussaint Louveture thatguy 19.15

Pancho Villa Big Ricks 22.1

William Wallace higgins 15.12

Michael Collins Larry Boy 21.2

Fidel Castro usual21 10.7

Guy Fawkes mario kart 14.2

Peter Benenson Mister CIA 15.19

Mikhail Gorbachev thorn 20.14

Thich Quang Duc Acer FC 20.16

Nzingha herbert the hippo 19.17

I'm all about value, baby!

 

[krista4]

Acer...Don't get banned. Remove the offending post. You don't have to say that.

Sorry OzmanDidnt mean to offend anyone. Was just trying to be humorous

Acer...Don't get banned. Remove the offending post. You don't have to say that.

How'd that get through the filter anyway?

You went to MIT, I went to BinghamtonPlus 1 for Binghamton

Color coding is your friend

There were several picks I struggled with, Thich Quang Duc was one of them. I tired to measure impact. What he did was amazing, just not sure how much (lasting) impact beyond his own country. I think he could have ended up a tad too low, but it was hard for me to put him much higher.

Look! Look! Fennis had a typo! I win!

 

[krista4]

Great job, Fennis.Finally, Krista4 has some competition.

I still think she has better boobs than Fennis.

Wait, Fennis?

 

[thatguy]

1, Fennis, outstanding job. You deserve to be in the top tier of judges, IMO.2. Zaxxon, you really disappointed me. Not because of your rankings, but you completely refused to either explain them or engage in discussion. You are the first judge to have done this. Even flysack engaged in at least SOME discussion.I'm honestly considering asking for another celebrity judge. I don't believe Zaxxon did as I asked in the beginning. I specifically asked each judge to be willing to explain their picks and engage in discussion. That was very clear in the sign up thread.I would like some feedback on this. Does anyone think we should get another celebrity judge? If the consensus is no, then we'll just leave it alone. But I'm not happy about how this came out. Anybody could have done what Zaxxon did with no effort at all.

1. My GB was awesome.2. Are you effing kidding us, timschochet? We want to finish. Seriously.

It appears most people are satisfied with how the Celebrities were ranked. I think Tim is asking for trouble to ask someone else to do it and extend this draft any longer than it's already been.

I'm not particularly satisfied, but then I can't say it bothers me.

 

[BobbyLayne]

1, Fennis, outstanding job. You deserve to be in the top tier of judges, IMO.2. Zaxxon, you really disappointed me. Not because of your rankings, but you completely refused to either explain them or engage in discussion. You are the first judge to have done this. Even flysack engaged in at least SOME discussion.I'm honestly considering asking for another celebrity judge. I don't believe Zaxxon did as I asked in the beginning. I specifically asked each judge to be willing to explain their picks and engage in discussion. That was very clear in the sign up thread.I would like some feedback on this. Does anyone think we should get another celebrity judge? If the consensus is no, then we'll just leave it alone. But I'm not happy about how this came out. Anybody could have done what Zaxxon did with no effort at all.

1. My GB was awesome.2. Are you effing kidding us, timschochet? We want to finish. Seriously.

I know, I get it. I'm just pissed that there was no effort put into this. I'll get over it, I guess. But it just grates on me that everyone else put in so much effort, drafters and judges alike. I suppose we'll keep his ranking though...

In all seriousness...were you suprised? I mean, you probably had hopes, but other than the complete no-show judge, no one was less involved. So whatevs...it wasn't a horrible list, and we have less than a handful left now, so let's push onward.

 

[Zaxxon]

I will e-mail my writeup to MisfitBlondes tomorrow.