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5.17 DANTE- POET

The greatest Italian poet and one of the most important writers of European literature. Dante is best known for the epic poem COMMEDIA, c. 1310-14, later named LA DIVINA COMMEDIA. It has profoundly affected not only the religious imagination but all subsequent allegorical creation of imaginary worlds in literature. Dante spent much of his life traveling from one city to another. This had perhaps more to do with the restless times than his wandering character or fixation on the Odyssey. However, his Commedia can also be called a spiritual travel book.

"It were a shameful thing if one should rhyme under the semblance of metaphor or rhetorical similitude, and afterwards, being questioned thereof, should be unable to rid his words of such semblance, unto their right understanding." (from Vita Nuova, c. 1293)

Dante Alighieri was born into a Florentine family of noble ancestry. Little is known about Dante's childhood. His mother, Bella degli Abati, died when he was seven years old. His father, Alighiero II, made his living by money-lending and renting of property. After the death of his wife he remarried, but died in the early 1280s, before the future poet reached manhood. Brunetto Latini, a man of letters and a politician, became a father figure for Dante, but later in his Commedia Dante placed Latini in Hell, into the seventh circle, among those who were guilty of "violence against nature" - sodomy.

Dante received a thorough education in both classical and Christian literature. At the age of 12 he was promised to his future wife, Gemma Donati. Dante had already fallen in love with another girl whom he called Beatrice. She was 9 years old. Years later Dante met Beatrice again. At that time, he had begun to write verse, and although he composed several sonnets to Beatrice, he never mentioned his wife Gemma in any of his poems. One of his early sonnets Dante sent to the poet XXXXX

XXXXX, which started their friendship. Dante also dedicated his first book to XXXXX. The work, LA VITA NUOVA (1292), celebrated Dante's love for Beatrice. The nature of his love had its roots in the medieval concept of "courtly love" and the idealization of women. According to another theory, Beatrice was actually a symbol of 'Santa Sapienza', which united secret societies of the day. Harold Bloom in The Western Canon (1994) sees Beatrice as Dante's greatest muse, his invention, who saved him "by giving him his greatest image for poetry, and he saved her from oblivion, little as she may have wanted such salvation."

Dante married in 1285 Gemma Donati but his ideal lady and inspiration for his poetry was Beatrice Portinari. She married Simone dei Bardi in 1287; she was his second wife. When Dante was asked why he still continued unhappily to love her, he answered: "Ladies, the end of my love was indeed the greeting of this lady, of whom you are perhaps thinking, and in that greeting lay my beatitude, for it was the end of all my desires. But because it pleased her to deny it to me, my Lord Love in his mercy has placed all my beatitude in that which cannot fail me." Beatrice died in June 1290, at the age of 24. After Beatrice's death, Dante withdrew into intense study and began composing poems dedicated to her memory.

In 1289 in the Florentine army Dante participated in a battle against the Arentines. He also entered politics and joined the White (Bianchi) Guelphs, one of the rival factions within the Guelph party. In 1295 he entered the Guild of member Apothecaries, to which philosophers could belong, and which opened for him the doors to public office. Dante served the commune in various councils and was ambassador to San Gimignano in 1300 and then to Rome. In June 1300 he was elected a prior, and the following year he was appointed superintendent of roads and road repair.

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality."

When the Black (Neri) Guelphs, who had the pope's support, ascended to power, Dante was exiled. The White Guelphs were condemned to death by burning should they ever be caught again in Florence. They soon made an alliance with the Ghibelline party and attempted several unsuccessful attacks on Florence. The White Guelphs'hopes ended with the death (1313) of the emperor XXXXX, who they had hoped would reunite Germany and Italy. On November 1, 1301, XXXXX entered Florence with two thousand horsemen and a new set of priors was elected. Dante was charged with financial corruption in January 1302 and some months later he was condemned to death by burning. "The blame will fall upon the injured side / As always," Dante wrote later. Gemma Donati, by whom Dante had two sons and one or two daughters, did not accompany the poet into exile. In Commedia Dante repeatedly condemns the Popes for their involvement in politics. XXXXXhad invited Charles of XXXXX to Italy. Dante argued in Monarchia, that there should be one supreme ruler, the Emperor, not the Pope, as during the reign of XXXXX.

After 1302 Dante never saw his home town again, but found shelter in various Italian cities and with such rulers as of Forli, . Dante lived his remaining years in the courts of the northern Italy princes. During his exile, he started to write his Commedia, a long story-poem through the three worlds of the afterlife, under the patronage of the Ghibelline leaders. About 1320 Dante made his final home in Ravenna, where he died on the night of September 13-14, 1321. His body was brought to the church of San Francisco. Shortly after he died, Dante was accused of Averroism and his book, De Monarchia, was burned by the order of XXXXX Franciscan monks hid Dante's remains, when Pope Leo X decided in 1519 to deliver them in Florence to Michelangelo, who planned to construct a glorious tomb. Again in 1677 Dante's remains were moved, and in 1865 construction workers rediscovered them accidentally.

 
Deciding between quite a few names here. I'm going to take a man who is a bit of a tweener but is absolutely worthy of this pick. This will also continue the run on Frenchmen.

He has been dubbed "The Father of Modern Philosophy", so I'll likely slot him as my Philosopher here. But he was also a brilliant mathematician, and I hope his contributions to this field will also be taken into account. In any case I think they should because one can look at the field of mathematics as a philosophy of sorts, and this man contributed to the field in a big way - after all, we named our coordinate system after the man.

René Descartes - Philosopher/Mathematician
Another strong pick. I wouldn't say he's a steal at this point, but a good solid pick that should net you a Top 10 philosopher (maybe Top 5).
Agreed. I think where he falls in the top 10 will depend largely on how much the judge takes into account his other contributions.
 
5.17 DANTE- POETThe greatest Italian poet and one of the most important writers of European literature. Dante is best known for the epic poem COMMEDIA, c. 1310-14, later named LA DIVINA COMMEDIA. It has profoundly affected not only the religious imagination but all subsequent allegorical creation of imaginary worlds in literature. Dante spent much of his life traveling from one city to another. This had perhaps more to do with the restless times than his wandering character or fixation on the Odyssey. However, his Commedia can also be called a spiritual travel book. "It were a shameful thing if one should rhyme under the semblance of metaphor or rhetorical similitude, and afterwards, being questioned thereof, should be unable to rid his words of such semblance, unto their right understanding." (from Vita Nuova, c. 1293) Dante Alighieri was born into a Florentine family of noble ancestry. Little is known about Dante's childhood. His mother, Bella degli Abati, died when he was seven years old. His father, Alighiero II, made his living by money-lending and renting of property. After the death of his wife he remarried, but died in the early 1280s, before the future poet reached manhood. Brunetto Latini, a man of letters and a politician, became a father figure for Dante, but later in his Commedia Dante placed Latini in Hell, into the seventh circle, among those who were guilty of "violence against nature" - sodomy. Dante received a thorough education in both classical and Christian literature. At the age of 12 he was promised to his future wife, Gemma Donati. Dante had already fallen in love with another girl whom he called Beatrice. She was 9 years old. Years later Dante met Beatrice again. At that time, he had begun to write verse, and although he composed several sonnets to Beatrice, he never mentioned his wife Gemma in any of his poems. One of his early sonnets Dante sent to the poet XXXXX XXXXX, which started their friendship. Dante also dedicated his first book to XXXXX. The work, LA VITA NUOVA (1292), celebrated Dante's love for Beatrice. The nature of his love had its roots in the medieval concept of "courtly love" and the idealization of women. According to another theory, Beatrice was actually a symbol of 'Santa Sapienza', which united secret societies of the day. Harold Bloom in The Western Canon (1994) sees Beatrice as Dante's greatest muse, his invention, who saved him "by giving him his greatest image for poetry, and he saved her from oblivion, little as she may have wanted such salvation." Dante married in 1285 Gemma Donati but his ideal lady and inspiration for his poetry was Beatrice Portinari. She married Simone dei Bardi in 1287; she was his second wife. When Dante was asked why he still continued unhappily to love her, he answered: "Ladies, the end of my love was indeed the greeting of this lady, of whom you are perhaps thinking, and in that greeting lay my beatitude, for it was the end of all my desires. But because it pleased her to deny it to me, my Lord Love in his mercy has placed all my beatitude in that which cannot fail me." Beatrice died in June 1290, at the age of 24. After Beatrice's death, Dante withdrew into intense study and began composing poems dedicated to her memory. In 1289 in the Florentine army Dante participated in a battle against the Arentines. He also entered politics and joined the White (Bianchi) Guelphs, one of the rival factions within the Guelph party. In 1295 he entered the Guild of member Apothecaries, to which philosophers could belong, and which opened for him the doors to public office. Dante served the commune in various councils and was ambassador to San Gimignano in 1300 and then to Rome. In June 1300 he was elected a prior, and the following year he was appointed superintendent of roads and road repair. "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality." When the Black (Neri) Guelphs, who had the pope's support, ascended to power, Dante was exiled. The White Guelphs were condemned to death by burning should they ever be caught again in Florence. They soon made an alliance with the Ghibelline party and attempted several unsuccessful attacks on Florence. The White Guelphs'hopes ended with the death (1313) of the emperor XXXXX, who they had hoped would reunite Germany and Italy. On November 1, 1301, XXXXX entered Florence with two thousand horsemen and a new set of priors was elected. Dante was charged with financial corruption in January 1302 and some months later he was condemned to death by burning. "The blame will fall upon the injured side / As always," Dante wrote later. Gemma Donati, by whom Dante had two sons and one or two daughters, did not accompany the poet into exile. In Commedia Dante repeatedly condemns the Popes for their involvement in politics. XXXXXhad invited Charles of XXXXX to Italy. Dante argued in Monarchia, that there should be one supreme ruler, the Emperor, not the Pope, as during the reign of XXXXX. After 1302 Dante never saw his home town again, but found shelter in various Italian cities and with such rulers as of Forli, . Dante lived his remaining years in the courts of the northern Italy princes. During his exile, he started to write his Commedia, a long story-poem through the three worlds of the afterlife, under the patronage of the Ghibelline leaders. About 1320 Dante made his final home in Ravenna, where he died on the night of September 13-14, 1321. His body was brought to the church of San Francisco. Shortly after he died, Dante was accused of Averroism and his book, De Monarchia, was burned by the order of XXXXX Franciscan monks hid Dante's remains, when Pope Leo X decided in 1519 to deliver them in Florence to Michelangelo, who planned to construct a glorious tomb. Again in 1677 Dante's remains were moved, and in 1865 construction workers rediscovered them accidentally.
I hate you.
 


Dualism



Descartes suggested that the body works like a machine, that it has the material properties of extension and motion, and that it follows the laws of physics. The mind (or soul), on the other hand, was described as a nonmaterial entity that lacks extension and motion, and does not follow the laws of physics. Descartes argued that only humans have minds, and that the mind interacts with the body at the pineal gland. This form of dualism or duality proposes that the mind controls the body, but that the body can also influence the otherwise rational mind, such as when people act out of passion. Most of the previous accounts of the relationship between mind and body had been uni-directional.
Pogue Colonel: Marine, what is that button on your body armor? Private Joker: A peace symbol, sir.

Pogue Colonel: Where'd you get it?

Private Joker: I don't remember, sir.

Pogue Colonel: What is that you've got written on your helmet?

Private Joker: "Born to Kill", sir.

Pogue Colonel: You write "Born to Kill" on your helmet and you wear a peace button. What's that supposed to be, some kind of sick joke?

Private Joker: No, sir.

Pogue Colonel: You'd better get your head and your [backside] wired together, or I will take a giant [dump] on you.

Private Joker: Yes, sir.

Pogue Colonel: Now answer my question or you'll be standing tall before the man.

Private Joker: I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of man, sir.

Pogue Colonel: The what?

Private Joker: The duality of man ..., sir.

Pogue Colonel: Whose side are you on, son?

Private Joker: Our side, sir.

Pogue Colonel: Don't you love your country?

Private Joker: Yes, sir.

Pogue Colonel: Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?

Private Joker: Yes, sir.

Pogue Colonel: Son, all I've ever asked of my marines is that they obey my orders as they would the word of God. We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every [Vietnamese] there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over.

Private Joker: Aye-aye, sir.

(I actually had to make an anti-spotlighting edit there :hot: )

 
5.17 DANTE- POETThe greatest Italian poet and one of the most important writers of European literature. Dante is best known for the epic poem COMMEDIA, c. 1310-14, later named LA DIVINA COMMEDIA. It has profoundly affected not only the religious imagination but all subsequent allegorical creation of imaginary worlds in literature. Dante spent much of his life traveling from one city to another. This had perhaps more to do with the restless times than his wandering character or fixation on the Odyssey. However, his Commedia can also be called a spiritual travel book. "It were a shameful thing if one should rhyme under the semblance of metaphor or rhetorical similitude, and afterwards, being questioned thereof, should be unable to rid his words of such semblance, unto their right understanding." (from Vita Nuova, c. 1293) Dante Alighieri was born into a Florentine family of noble ancestry. Little is known about Dante's childhood. His mother, Bella degli Abati, died when he was seven years old. His father, Alighiero II, made his living by money-lending and renting of property. After the death of his wife he remarried, but died in the early 1280s, before the future poet reached manhood. Brunetto Latini, a man of letters and a politician, became a father figure for Dante, but later in his Commedia Dante placed Latini in Hell, into the seventh circle, among those who were guilty of "violence against nature" - sodomy. Dante received a thorough education in both classical and Christian literature. At the age of 12 he was promised to his future wife, Gemma Donati. Dante had already fallen in love with another girl whom he called Beatrice. She was 9 years old. Years later Dante met Beatrice again. At that time, he had begun to write verse, and although he composed several sonnets to Beatrice, he never mentioned his wife Gemma in any of his poems. One of his early sonnets Dante sent to the poet XXXXX XXXXX, which started their friendship. Dante also dedicated his first book to XXXXX. The work, LA VITA NUOVA (1292), celebrated Dante's love for Beatrice. The nature of his love had its roots in the medieval concept of "courtly love" and the idealization of women. According to another theory, Beatrice was actually a symbol of 'Santa Sapienza', which united secret societies of the day. Harold Bloom in The Western Canon (1994) sees Beatrice as Dante's greatest muse, his invention, who saved him "by giving him his greatest image for poetry, and he saved her from oblivion, little as she may have wanted such salvation." Dante married in 1285 Gemma Donati but his ideal lady and inspiration for his poetry was Beatrice Portinari. She married Simone dei Bardi in 1287; she was his second wife. When Dante was asked why he still continued unhappily to love her, he answered: "Ladies, the end of my love was indeed the greeting of this lady, of whom you are perhaps thinking, and in that greeting lay my beatitude, for it was the end of all my desires. But because it pleased her to deny it to me, my Lord Love in his mercy has placed all my beatitude in that which cannot fail me." Beatrice died in June 1290, at the age of 24. After Beatrice's death, Dante withdrew into intense study and began composing poems dedicated to her memory. In 1289 in the Florentine army Dante participated in a battle against the Arentines. He also entered politics and joined the White (Bianchi) Guelphs, one of the rival factions within the Guelph party. In 1295 he entered the Guild of member Apothecaries, to which philosophers could belong, and which opened for him the doors to public office. Dante served the commune in various councils and was ambassador to San Gimignano in 1300 and then to Rome. In June 1300 he was elected a prior, and the following year he was appointed superintendent of roads and road repair. "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality." When the Black (Neri) Guelphs, who had the pope's support, ascended to power, Dante was exiled. The White Guelphs were condemned to death by burning should they ever be caught again in Florence. They soon made an alliance with the Ghibelline party and attempted several unsuccessful attacks on Florence. The White Guelphs'hopes ended with the death (1313) of the emperor XXXXX, who they had hoped would reunite Germany and Italy. On November 1, 1301, XXXXX entered Florence with two thousand horsemen and a new set of priors was elected. Dante was charged with financial corruption in January 1302 and some months later he was condemned to death by burning. "The blame will fall upon the injured side / As always," Dante wrote later. Gemma Donati, by whom Dante had two sons and one or two daughters, did not accompany the poet into exile. In Commedia Dante repeatedly condemns the Popes for their involvement in politics. XXXXXhad invited Charles of XXXXX to Italy. Dante argued in Monarchia, that there should be one supreme ruler, the Emperor, not the Pope, as during the reign of XXXXX. After 1302 Dante never saw his home town again, but found shelter in various Italian cities and with such rulers as of Forli, . Dante lived his remaining years in the courts of the northern Italy princes. During his exile, he started to write his Commedia, a long story-poem through the three worlds of the afterlife, under the patronage of the Ghibelline leaders. About 1320 Dante made his final home in Ravenna, where he died on the night of September 13-14, 1321. His body was brought to the church of San Francisco. Shortly after he died, Dante was accused of Averroism and his book, De Monarchia, was burned by the order of XXXXX Franciscan monks hid Dante's remains, when Pope Leo X decided in 1519 to deliver them in Florence to Michelangelo, who planned to construct a glorious tomb. Again in 1677 Dante's remains were moved, and in 1865 construction workers rediscovered them accidentally.
I hate you.
:shrug:
 
Nice pick, Herbert - Divine Comedy (aka Dante's Inferno) should get a solid ranking.
Dante was a great pick as well, something of a steal in the late 5th round. The Divine Comedy was one of the best epic poems ever written but most people forget how great La Vita Nouva is too. Dante wasn't a one work pony. The guy was incredible. I won't say how I rank him, because the whole melding of poets and playwrights has me all effed up. He's a top 5 poet though.

 
I moved Genghis Khan to military on Andy's team to make way for the Emperor. If he has something else in mind he can instruct me.

OK, I know it's sophomoric, but ever since thatguy made his pick, I can't get the following lyric out of my head:

Rene Descartes was a drunken fart, I drink therefore I am

 
I moved Genghis Khan to military on Andy's team to make way for the Emperor. If he has something else in mind he can instruct me.

OK, I know it's sophomoric, but ever since thatguy made his pick, I can't get the following lyric out of my head:

Rene Descartes was a drunken fart, I drink therefore I am
:lol: I love those guys.

 
Nice pick thatguy, he was with one other I was debating as a backup to Fyodr had he been taken. I still remember my first Honors humanities class I took at ASU (which probably makes it level with regular classes at other schools) was the breakdown of Descartes "I think therefore I am" Our teacher hated it and debunked it because you cannot prove existence with the assumption of already existing or something like that. Great class, two semesters of philosophy and intellectuals all right in the smallish courtyard style dorm that honors students had to stay in for at least their first year. I'm actually trying to get some of the guys that I wrote about in that class on my team. Unfortunately it had a view of the volleyball pit and was only a short flight of stairs away from my bong and not all of it sank in as it could've.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
timschochet said:
Lots of interesting picks. Love the run on artists. For me, Rembrandt may be the SOD, since he was my #1 painter of all time, but I suppose that's subjective. For Doug B to have Michelango AND Rembrandt on his team? Forget it.Regarding the discussion of Muhammad Ali- even more than Pele or Michael Jordan, he is the most recognized face in the world (or at least he was for two decades.) Jordan is similar. In fact, if I were the owners of Ali and Jordan, I would strongly consider moving them to the celebrity category, because it is difficult to find anyone who would top them there.
My #1 celebrity is still out there.
My #1 celebrity is currently my intellectual. But I agree, the person I'm aiming for as celeb is still available.
 
flysack said:
mad sweeney said:
I will continue what I believe to be a good trend of picking great value on overlooked figures and stick my team back up in the ranks of powerhouses to challenge the notion of Larry being in the lead. I'll do a writeup later as I am running out the door but some of the more literary minded may have some things to say before I do.

5.10 Fyodor Dostoyevsky Novelist
At 5.10 this has to be the steal of the draft. With all the attention given to novelists so far, I am astounded Dostoevsky lasted this long.Earlier I mentioned my top 5 novelists are -

1. English - Joyce

2. German (unpicked and flying under the radar; I also don't think others will rank him this high)

3. Russian - Dostoevsky

4. Russian - Tolstoy

5. French (unpicked so far)

...
Odd, I would have thought Hugo would be #5.
 
higgins said:
Fennis said:
Perhaps a reach, but IMO he's one of the few living people who deserve to be picked:

5.04: Nelson Mandela, Rebel
No, not a reach at all However, I was starting to think my judging of Rebels may look like the plastic bubble in the game Trouble. I'll push it down and see what comes up.

However, as the draft is progressing I am beginning to come to a criteria on how I am going to judge this category. Should be fun. In any case, Mandela is well deserving of his Rebel status. He is a giant of a man.
:shrug: I'll be curious to see your criteria.Agreed on the "not a reach" comment -- I may have taken Mandela in this round had he been available.
:shrug: I guess the theory of "don't wait for your targets" is alive and well.
 
Doug B said:
thatguy said:


Dualism



Descartes suggested that the body works like a machine, that it has the material properties of extension and motion, and that it follows the laws of physics. The mind (or soul), on the other hand, was described as a nonmaterial entity that lacks extension and motion, and does not follow the laws of physics. Descartes argued that only humans have minds, and that the mind interacts with the body at the pineal gland. This form of dualism or duality proposes that the mind controls the body, but that the body can also influence the otherwise rational mind, such as when people act out of passion. Most of the previous accounts of the relationship between mind and body had been uni-directional.
Pogue Colonel: Marine, what is that button on your body armor? Private Joker: A peace symbol, sir.

Pogue Colonel: Where'd you get it?

Private Joker: I don't remember, sir.

Pogue Colonel: What is that you've got written on your helmet?

Private Joker: "Born to Kill", sir.

Pogue Colonel: You write "Born to Kill" on your helmet and you wear a peace button. What's that supposed to be, some kind of sick joke?

Private Joker: No, sir.

Pogue Colonel: You'd better get your head and your [backside] wired together, or I will take a giant [dump] on you.

Private Joker: Yes, sir.

Pogue Colonel: Now answer my question or you'll be standing tall before the man.

Private Joker: I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of man, sir.

Pogue Colonel: The what?

Private Joker: The duality of man ..., sir.

Pogue Colonel: Whose side are you on, son?

Private Joker: Our side, sir.

Pogue Colonel: Don't you love your country?

Private Joker: Yes, sir.

Pogue Colonel: Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?

Private Joker: Yes, sir.

Pogue Colonel: Son, all I've ever asked of my marines is that they obey my orders as they would the word of God. We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every [Vietnamese] there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over.

Private Joker: Aye-aye, sir.

(I actually had to make an anti-spotlighting edit there :shrug: )
A couple of bad words and spotlighting not removed:
 
Yankee23Fan said:
timschochet said:
Lots of interesting picks. Love the run on artists. For me, Rembrandt may be the SOD, since he was my #1 painter of all time, but I suppose that's subjective. For Doug B to have Michelango AND Rembrandt on his team? Forget it.Regarding the discussion of Muhammad Ali- even more than Pele or Michael Jordan, he is the most recognized face in the world (or at least he was for two decades.) Jordan is similar. In fact, if I were the owners of Ali and Jordan, I would strongly consider moving them to the celebrity category, because it is difficult to find anyone who would top them there.
My #1 celebrity is still out there.
My #1 celebrity is currently my intellectual. But I agree, the person I'm aiming for as celeb is still available.
It's a really interesting category. I think there will be some pretty obvious choices but I am more looking forward to out of the box non-entertainer celebs. I have a pretty good one for that but I am having trouble figuring out where to take them. Especially in light of this run on artists.Athlete I am really perplexed on as most of the ones I think of don't fit my body of work ethic, they usually have a few great victories. But I have the rest of the day to look for them!
 
Doug B said:
5.9 - Rembrandt van Rijn, Painter

Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn (July 15, 1606 – October 4, 1669) was a Dutch painter and etcher. He is generally considered one of the greatest painters and printmakers in European art history ... His contributions to art came in a period that historians call the Dutch Golden Age.

Having achieved youthful success as a portrait painter, his later years were marked by personal tragedy and financial hardship. Yet his drawings and paintings were popular throughout his lifetime, his reputation as an artist remained high and for twenty years he taught nearly every important Dutch painter. Rembrandt's greatest creative triumphs are exemplified especially in his portraits of his contemporaries, self-portraits and illustrations of scenes from the Bible. The self-portraits form a unique and intimate biography, in which the artist surveyed himself without vanity and with the utmost sincerity.

In both painting and printmaking he exhibited a complete knowledge of classical iconography, which he molded to fit the requirements of his own experience; thus, the depiction of a biblical scene was informed by Rembrandt's knowledge of the specific text, his assimilation of classical composition, and his observations of the Jewish population of Amsterdam. Because of his empathy for the human condition, he has been called "one of the great prophets of civilization."
Christ In The Storm On The Sea Of GalileeThe Abduction of Europa

The Night Watch

Abraham & Isaac

Descent from the Cross

Return of the Prodigal Son

Self-portrait

Ridiculously detailed self-portait etching
Really surprised he lasted this long. Is this a situation where people want to avoid the "obvious" picks? I'm shocked that someone like Dali would go before Rembrandt (well, not officially, but in terms of the timing of the picks). Anyway, terrific pick. :shrug:
 
Yankee23Fan said:
timschochet said:
Lots of interesting picks. Love the run on artists. For me, Rembrandt may be the SOD, since he was my #1 painter of all time, but I suppose that's subjective. For Doug B to have Michelango AND Rembrandt on his team? Forget it.Regarding the discussion of Muhammad Ali- even more than Pele or Michael Jordan, he is the most recognized face in the world (or at least he was for two decades.) Jordan is similar. In fact, if I were the owners of Ali and Jordan, I would strongly consider moving them to the celebrity category, because it is difficult to find anyone who would top them there.
My #1 celebrity is still out there.
My #1 celebrity is currently my intellectual. But I agree, the person I'm aiming for as celeb is still available.
It's a really interesting category. I think there will be some pretty obvious choices but I am more looking forward to out of the box non-entertainer celebs. I have a pretty good one for that but I am having trouble figuring out where to take them. Especially in light of this run on artists.Athlete I am really perplexed on as most of the ones I think of don't fit my body of work ethic, they usually have a few great victories. But I have the rest of the day to look for them!
I plan to take my athlete late, and it likely will not be well received, but I don't care. He's too awesome.
 
flysack said:
mad sweeney said:
I will continue what I believe to be a good trend of picking great value on overlooked figures and stick my team back up in the ranks of powerhouses to challenge the notion of Larry being in the lead. I'll do a writeup later as I am running out the door but some of the more literary minded may have some things to say before I do.

5.10 Fyodor Dostoyevsky Novelist
At 5.10 this has to be the steal of the draft. With all the attention given to novelists so far, I am astounded Dostoevsky lasted this long.Earlier I mentioned my top 5 novelists are -

1. English - Joyce

2. German (unpicked and flying under the radar; I also don't think others will rank him this high)

3. Russian - Dostoevsky

4. Russian - Tolstoy

5. French (unpicked so far)

...
Odd, I would have thought Hugo would be #5.
Ah, I see you've confused 5th with 89th. Very common, actually, happens all the time.
 
I was going to do a writeup for Fyodr but Flysack wrote ten times better what I could've so I'll just paste that up again at the end of the draft.

Thanks FS, glad to have you on board for a lot of my picks.

 
BobbyLayne said:
Personally I think his paintings make a nice album cover illustration, or maybe a poster in a dorm room.
Couldn't agree more. I'm thinking Yes or the Peter-Gabriel-fronted Genesis.
 
flysack said:
mad sweeney said:
I will continue what I believe to be a good trend of picking great value on overlooked figures and stick my team back up in the ranks of powerhouses to challenge the notion of Larry being in the lead. I'll do a writeup later as I am running out the door but some of the more literary minded may have some things to say before I do.

5.10 Fyodor Dostoyevsky Novelist
At 5.10 this has to be the steal of the draft. With all the attention given to novelists so far, I am astounded Dostoevsky lasted this long.Earlier I mentioned my top 5 novelists are -

1. English - Joyce

2. German (unpicked and flying under the radar; I also don't think others will rank him this high)

3. Russian - Dostoevsky

4. Russian - Tolstoy

5. French (unpicked so far)

...
Odd, I would have thought Hugo would be #5.
Ah, I see you've confused 5th with 89th. Very common, actually, happens all the time.
Ah, I see I've confused you with someone who knows literature. Won't happen again.
 
John Maddens Lunchbox said:
5:13 - Pablo Diego José Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno María de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santísima Trinidad Ruiz y Picasso (Pablo Picasso)

Painter (for now). May move him to Artist/Non painter if I need to

Picasso was a Spanish painter, draughtsman, and sculptor. As one of the most recognized figures in 20th-century art, he is best known for co-founding the Cubist movement and for the wide variety of styles embodied in his work. Among his most famous works are the proto-Cubist Les Demoiselles d'Avignon (1907) and his depiction of the German bombing of Guernica during the Spanish Civil War, Guernica (1937).

He was exceptionally prolific throughout his long lifetime. The total number of artworks he produced has been estimated at 50,000, comprising 1,885 paintings; 1,228 sculptures; 2,880 ceramics, roughly 12,000 drawings, many thousands of prints, and numerous tapestries and rugs.[39] At the time of his death many of his paintings were in his possession, as he had kept off the art market what he didn’t need to sell. In addition, Picasso had a considerable collection of the work of other famous artists, some his contemporaries, such as xxxxxxxxx, with whom he had exchanged works. Since Picasso left no will, his death duties (estate tax) to the French state were paid in the form of his works and others from his collection. These works form the core of the immense and representative collection of the Musée Picasso in Paris. In 2003, relatives of Picasso inaugurated a museum dedicated to him in his birthplace, Málaga, Spain, the Museo Picasso Málaga.

Picasso sculpture in HalmstadThe Museu Picasso in Barcelona features many of Picasso’s early works, created while he was living in Spain, including many rarely seen works which reveal Picasso’s firm grounding in classical techniques. The museum also holds many precise and detailed figure studies done in his youth under his father’s tutelage, as well as the extensive collection of Jaime Sabartés, Picasso’s close friend and personal secretary.

Several paintings by Picasso rank among the most expensive paintings in the world. Garçon à la pipe sold for USD $104 million at Sotheby's on 4 May 2004, establishing a new price record. Dora Maar au Chat sold for USD $95.2 million at Sotheby’s on 3 May 2006.[40]

As of 2004, Picasso remains the top ranked artist (based on sales of his works at auctions) according to the Art Market Trends report.(pdf) More of his paintings have been stolen than those by any other artist.[41]
Jesus. I didn't realize he hadn't been chosen yet. I assumed I had faded a little in the second round or something. SOD, in my opinion.
 
Yankee23Fan said:
timschochet said:
Lots of interesting picks. Love the run on artists. For me, Rembrandt may be the SOD, since he was my #1 painter of all time, but I suppose that's subjective. For Doug B to have Michelango AND Rembrandt on his team? Forget it.Regarding the discussion of Muhammad Ali- even more than Pele or Michael Jordan, he is the most recognized face in the world (or at least he was for two decades.) Jordan is similar. In fact, if I were the owners of Ali and Jordan, I would strongly consider moving them to the celebrity category, because it is difficult to find anyone who would top them there.
My #1 celebrity is still out there.
My #1 celebrity is currently my intellectual. But I agree, the person I'm aiming for as celeb is still available.
It's a really interesting category. I think there will be some pretty obvious choices but I am more looking forward to out of the box non-entertainer celebs. I have a pretty good one for that but I am having trouble figuring out where to take them. Especially in light of this run on artists.Athlete I am really perplexed on as most of the ones I think of don't fit my body of work ethic, they usually have a few great victories. But I have the rest of the day to look for them!
I plan to take my athlete late, and it likely will not be well received, but I don't care. He's too awesome.
DANTE Stallworth?????
 
Yankee23Fan said:
My #1 celebrity is still out there.
My #1 celebrity is currently my intellectual. But I agree, the person I'm aiming for as celeb is still available.
It's a really interesting category. I think there will be some pretty obvious choices but I am more looking forward to out of the box non-entertainer celebs. I have a pretty good one for that but I am having trouble figuring out where to take them. Especially in light of this run on artists.Athlete I am really perplexed on as most of the ones I think of don't fit my body of work ethic, they usually have a few great victories. But I have the rest of the day to look for them!
I plan to take my athlete late, and it likely will not be well received, but I don't care. He's too awesome.
DANTE Stallworth?????
Get out of my head!
 
Yankee23Fan said:
timschochet said:
Lots of interesting picks. Love the run on artists. For me, Rembrandt may be the SOD, since he was my #1 painter of all time, but I suppose that's subjective. For Doug B to have Michelango AND Rembrandt on his team? Forget it.Regarding the discussion of Muhammad Ali- even more than Pele or Michael Jordan, he is the most recognized face in the world (or at least he was for two decades.) Jordan is similar. In fact, if I were the owners of Ali and Jordan, I would strongly consider moving them to the celebrity category, because it is difficult to find anyone who would top them there.
My #1 celebrity is still out there.
My #1 celebrity is currently my intellectual. But I agree, the person I'm aiming for as celeb is still available.
Like yours, my #1 was drafted in the American draft.
 
I don't think enough has been written about James Watt. The steam engine may be the most important invention of all time, more than the printing press, more than paper. It took hundreds of years for those inventions to have an effect on mankind; within 20 years of the creation of the steam engine, the world was completely changed. Historian Paul Johnson refers to this as "The Birth of the Modern", the transformation from an essentially medevial society into the world we have today. I can't speak for the inventor judge, but Watt is definitely top 3 for me.
Also a relative of FBG's own ScottNorwood. Had this knowledge been public, he would have probably gone #1 overall.
 
MisfitBlondes said:
Andy Dufresne's pick via PM.5.16 - Qin Shi Huang (First emperor of China) - Leader
I'm surprised he got a collective yawn. Damn westerners. :)
When I was in Xi'an, I saw the Terracotta army he built. Really incredible.He was one bad dude. Talk about ruling with an iron fist. But he did a lot of good for his people as well. Good pick!
 
MisfitBlondes said:
Andy Dufresne's pick via PM.5.16 - Qin Shi Huang (First emperor of China) - Leader
I'm surprised he got a collective yawn. Damn westerners. :)
................. sorry I'm late in typing Andy. When I saw it posted I, well, um, I had to run home and change suits. Granted, the euphoria I felt for your pick was likely premature given the long slow nature of this escapade, I simply couldn't help myself.So, I'm back now. All refreshed. Feeling good feeling good. How 'bout them Vikings!?! Front runner for the division this year I think. Yup. That Adrian Peterson is a great athlete. One of those guys that moves you. I mean, his performance is pleasing. Hehe, because he's fun to look at at.... I, I mean, yeah. Oh damn, I'll be back in 10 minutes.
 
So, I'm back now. All refreshed. Feeling good feeling good. How 'bout them Vikings!?! Front runner for the division this year I think. Yup. That Adrian Peterson is a great athlete. One of those guys that moves you. I mean, his performance is pleasing. Hehe, because he's fun to look at at.... I, I mean, yeah. Oh damn, I'll be back in 10 minutes.
:)
 
MisfitBlondes said:
Andy Dufresne's pick via PM.

5.16 - Qin Shi Huang (First emperor of China) - Leader
I'm surprised he got a collective yawn. Damn westerners. :)
When I was in Xi'an, I saw the Terracotta army he built. Really incredible.He was one bad dude. Talk about ruling with an iron fist. But he did a lot of good for his people as well. Good pick!
This line from the Wiki article should raise some eyebrows:
To ensure stability, Qin Shi Huang outlawed Confucianism and buried many scholars alive.
 
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Busy at work, will add more later, but this one needs little intro:

5.18 (98th pick) - Marcel Proust - Novelist

(10 July 1871 – 18 November 1922) was a French novelist, essayist and critic, best known as the author of À la recherche du temps perdu (In Search of Lost Time; aka Remembrance of Things Past), a monumental work of twentieth-century fiction published in seven parts from 1913 to 1927.

ETA: bio information

French novelist Marcel Proust was one of the greatest writers of the twentieth century. His books abandoned plot and dramatic action in favor of the narrator's descriptions of his experiences in the world.

Early years and education

Marcel Proust was born on July 10, 1871, in Auteuil, a suburb of Paris, France. His parents, Dr. Adrien Proust and Jeanne Weil, were wealthy. Proust was a nervous and frail child. When he was nine years old, his first attack of asthma (a breathing disorder) nearly killed him. In 1882 Proust enrolled in the Lycée Condorcet. Only during his last two years of study there did he distinguish himself as a student. After a year of military service, Proust studied law and then philosophy (the study of the world and man's place in it). Proust became known as a brilliant conversationalist with the ability to mimic others, although some considered him a snob and social climber.

First works

In 1892 and 1893 Proust wrote criticism, sketches, and short stories for the journal Le Banquet and to La Revue blanche. His first work, Les Plaisirs et les jours (Pleasures and Days), a collection of short stories and short verse descriptions of artists and musicians, was published in 1896. Proust had made an attempt at a major work in 1895, but he was unsure of himself and abandoned it in 1899. It appeared in 1952 under the title of Jean Santeuil; from thousands of pages, Bernard de Fallois had organized the novel according to a sketchy plan he found among them. Parts of the novel make little sense, and many passages are from Proust's other works. Some, however, are beautifully written. Jean Santeuil is the biography of a made-up character who struggles to follow his artistic calling.

After abandoning Jean Santeuil, Proust returned to his studies, reading widely in other literatures. During 1899 he became interested in the works of the English critic

John Ruskin (1819–1900)
, and after

Ruskin
's death the next year, Proust published an article that established him as a

Ruskin
scholar. Proust wrote several more articles on

Ruskin
, and with the help of an English-speaking friend, Marie Nordlinger, and his mother, Proust translated into French

Ruskin's The Bible of Amiens
(1904) and

Sesame and Lilies
(1906). Reading

Ruskin
's ideas on art helped him form his own ideas and move beyond the problems of Jean Santeuil.

In 1903 Proust's father died. The death of his mother two years later forced Proust into a sanatorium (an institution for rest and recovery), but he stayed less than two months. He emerged once again into society and into print after two years with a series of articles published in Le Figaro during 1907 and 1908. By November 1908 Proust was planning his Contre Sainte-Beuve (published in 1954; On Art and Literature). He finished it during the summer of 1909 and immediately started work on his great novel.

Remembrance of Things Past

Although Proust had by 1909 gathered most of the material that became À la recherche du temps perdu (Remembrance of Things Past), he still felt unable to structure the material. In January 1909 the combination of flavors in a cup of tea and toast brought him sensations that reminded him of his youth in his grandfather's garden. These feelings revealed the hidden self that Proust had spoken of in Contre Sainte-Beuve, and he felt that the process of artistic rebirth was the theme his novel required. In À la recherche du temps perdu Proust was mainly concerned with describing not real life but his narrator Marcel's view of it. Marcel traces his growth through a number of remembered experiences and realizes that these experiences reflect his inner life more truly than does his outer life.

Proust began his novel in 1909 and worked on it until his death. In 1913 he found a publisher who would produce, at the author's expense, the first of three projected volumes Du Côté de chez Swann (Swann's Way). French writer

André Gide
(1869–1951) in 1916 obtained the rights to publish the rest of the volumes. À l'ombre des jeunes filles en fleur (Within a Budding Grove), originally a chapter title, appeared in 1918 as the second volume and won the Goncourt Prize. As other volumes appeared, Proust expanded his material, adding long sections just before publication. Feeling his end approaching, Proust finished drafting his novel and began revising and correcting proofs. On November 18, 1922, Proust died of bronchitis and pneumonia (diseases of the lungs) contracted after a series of asthma attacks. The final volumes of his novel appeared under the direction of his brother Robert.

When I was in high school, my lit teacher made the offhand remark "My best friends are books". At the time I snickered and thought to myself 'wow that is so sad'. When I was older I came to know exactly what that teacher meant.

Books can show us ourselves, and that introspective process can propel us to exponential personal growth. What higher compliment could we pay a true friend than to say 'I'm a better person for knowing them; they bring out the very best in me'?

Rare is the book that can reproduce that experience, but when it happens, it is unforgettable; if you have experienced it yourself, you know it is an incredible secret joy. I call it a secret joy because you can't go around talking about it, people will think you are crazy as a loon :lol: but there are few things in life more satisfying than a book that nourishes the soul.

Remembrance of Things Past is such a book.

Some selected quotes from his masterpiece:

A cathedral, a wave of a storm, a dancer's leap, never turn out to be as high as we had hoped.
A powerful idea communicates some of its power to the man who contradicts it.
Any mental activity is easy if it need not take reality into account.
As soon as one is unhappy one becomes moral.
Habit is a second nature which prevents us from knowing the first, of which it has neither the cruelties nor the enchantments.
Happiness is beneficial for the body but it is grief that develops the powers of the mind.
In reality, in love there is a permanent suffering which joy neutralizes, renders virtual, delays, but which can at any moment become what it would have become long earlier if one had not obtained what one wanted, atrocious.
It is not because other people are dead that our affection for them grows faint, it is because we ourselves are dying.
It is often hard to bear the tears that we ourselves have caused.
It is seldom indeed that one parts on good terms, because if one were on good terms, one would not part.
It's odd how a person always arouses admiration for his moral qualities among the relatives of another with whom he has sexual relations. Physical love, so unjustifiably decried, makes everyone show, down to the least detail, all he has of goodness and self-sacrifice, so that he shines even in the eyes of those nearest to him.
Less disappointing than life, great works of art do not begin by giving us all their best.
Like many intellectuals, he was incapable of saying a simple thing in a simple way.
Often it is just lack of imagination that keeps a man from suffering very much.
Only through art can we emerge from ourselves and know what another person sees.
Our intonations contain our philosophy of life, what each of us is constantly telling himself about things.
People wish to learn to swim and at the same time to keep one foot on the ground.
The duty and the task of a writer are those of an interpreter.
The features of our face are hardly more than gestures which have become permanent.
The fixity of a habit is generally in direct proportion to its absurdity.
The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeing new landscapes, but in having new eyes, in seeing the universe with the eyes of another, of hundreds of others, in seeing the hundreds of universes that each of them sees.
The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes.
The time which we have at our disposal every day is elastic; the passions we feel expand it, those that we inspire contract it, and habit fills up what remains.
The true paradises are the lost paradises.
There is not a woman in the world that possession of whom is as precious as that of the truth which she reveals to us by causing us to suffer.
Those whose suffering is due to love are, as we say of certain invalids, their own physicians.
Time, which changes people, does not alter the image we have retained of them.
We are healed of a suffering only by experiencing it to the full.
We do not succeed in changing things according to our desire, but gradually our desire changes.
We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.
Words do not change their meanings so drastically in the course of centuries as, in our minds, names do in the course of a year or two.
The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.– Marcel Proust

The Proust QuestionairreThe questionnaire has its origins in a parlor game popularized (though not devised) by Proust (1871–1922), who believed that, in answering these questions, an individual reveals his or her true nature. Click here to read some responses of noteworthy contemporary figures. The questions:

1. What is your idea of perfect happiness?

2. What is your greatest fear?

3. What is the trait you most deplore in yourself?

4. What is the trait you most deplore in others?

5. Which living person do you most admire?

6. What is your greatest extravagance?

7. What is your current state of mind?

8. What do you consider the most overrated virtue?

9. On what occasion do you lie?

10. What do you most dislike about your appearance?

11. Which living person do you most despise?

12. What is the quality you most like in a man?

13. What is the quality you most like in a woman?

14. Which words or phrases do you most overuse?

15. What or who is the greatest love of your life?

16. When and where were you happiest?

17. Which talent would you most like to have?

18. If you could change one thing about yourself, what would it be?

19. What do you consider your greatest achievement?

20. If you were to die and come back as a person or a thing, what would it be?

21. Where would you most like to live?

22. What is your most treasured possession?

23. What do you regard as the lowest depth of misery?

24. What is your favorite occupation?

25. What is your most marked characteristic?

26. What do you most value in your friends?

27. Who are your favorite writers?

28. Who is your hero of fiction?

29. Which historical figure do you most identify with?

30. Who are your heroes in real life?

31. What are your favorite names?

32. What is it that you most dislike?

33. What is your greatest regret?

34. How would you like to die?

35. What is your motto?
 
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I don't think enough has been written about James Watt. The steam engine may be the most important invention of all time, more than the printing press, more than paper. It took hundreds of years for those inventions to have an effect on mankind; within 20 years of the creation of the steam engine, the world was completely changed. Historian Paul Johnson refers to this as "The Birth of the Modern", the transformation from an essentially medevial society into the world we have today. I can't speak for the inventor judge, but Watt is definitely top 3 for me.
Also a relative of FBG's own ScottNorwood. Had this knowledge been public, he would have probably gone #1 overall.
That's actually really cool. Direct descendent?
 
I don't think enough has been written about James Watt. The steam engine may be the most important invention of all time, more than the printing press, more than paper. It took hundreds of years for those inventions to have an effect on mankind; within 20 years of the creation of the steam engine, the world was completely changed. Historian Paul Johnson refers to this as "The Birth of the Modern", the transformation from an essentially medevial society into the world we have today. I can't speak for the inventor judge, but Watt is definitely top 3 for me.
Also a relative of FBG's own ScottNorwood. Had this knowledge been public, he would have probably gone #1 overall.
That's actually really cool. Direct descendent?
:lol:
 
so..

I have downloaded both the "10th anniversary" play Les Miserables and the movie (the one with Claire Danes)...

which should I watch first?

:lol:

 

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