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World's Greatest Draft (3 Viewers)

Mjolnirs said:
AcerFC said:
Got a nice threatening PM from Bobby. I'm out so no writeup right now. Also hope that she wasn't picked already. PM me if she was. Bobby please send PM to Yankee for meMargaret Thatcher- wild card
She'd make a perfect villain.
Could you expand on this?
With pleasure.Her in Great Britain & XXXX in the US tore the heart out of the working class. In Australia it was done by Bob Hawke, who was Labour leader and one of the first 3rd way politicians. What makes Hawke even more galling is that he formally led the Australian Trade Union movement. This quote by Thatcher sums her up perfectly
“There is no such thing as society, only individuals and their family.”
A lot of todays social ills, financial problems and utter despair by the working class can be placed squarely at those responsible for the greed is good mentality rampant in the 80s, aided and abetted by the likes of Thatcher, Hawke & XXXX.Screw you buddy, I wanna be rich.
The Tories under Thatcher were the scariest blight to afflict Britain since the Norman invasion. They successfully broke the back of the manufacturing industry, killed the trade union movement, sold off virtually all of the council housing stock and privatised everything in sight. Like Gecko stripping the assets of a company in the movie Wall Street, Thatcher stripped the entire country while in office. People were reduced to economic units, told they should be prepared to move anywhere for a job, that they should have no roots and the result? All sense of community dies in these conditions, people become more insular. Maggie even stopped free milk in schools earning herself the moniker 'Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher' amongst others. ............While cutting expenditure on all manner of social, health and educational services they spent more and more on the military, on subsidies to attract foreign companies and on supposedly making Britain more competitive in the world economy. From the poll tax to tighter immigration laws all of their policies were thinly veiled attempts at polarising wealth further, at making the rich richer and blaming the poor for their own predicament, as though their poverty proved they didn't deserve better as they obviously weren't working hard enough. They would site highly unlikely examples like Richard Branson, going from poverty to mega-wealth as proof that anyone could do this, as though effort and not opportunity would guarantee you a good living.............Thatcher Thatcher milk snatcher ruined Britain by; 1. Privitisation of nationalised industries, causing; increased prices in energy, housing, travel. 2. Social alienation of many mining towns, where long term unemployment has been high for many year, with little attempt to improve opportunities for these folk. 3. Falklands war, unnecessarily caused death of 100+ British soldiers. 4. Support of vile Fascist dictators XXXX (vociferously) and XXXX(strong association to a 1 million mass murderer) 5. Undemocratic regulation of unions, ie no secondary picketing surmounts to a suppression of freedom of expression.
 
I don't think need has anything to do with it. If you make it through college without seeing enough of Jackie Kennedy that you could recognize her then your college did something wrong.
That's a ridiculous statement, Yankee. What contribution to any subject is Jackie O's recognition important? None. Absolutely none. You could take a "U.S. history since WWII" class in college and not broach the subject of Kennedy's wife, let alone see a picture of her. You think a final exam would test on her? I'd love to see that essay question: "Explain how Kennedy's conflicted feelings for his wife Jackie and Marilyn Monroe is a metaphor for the tensions within America's socio-economic classes of the '60s."
:shrug: I don't get it. As for a US History class since WWII, you will cover his assassination, and if her face isn't burned into your mind .......
 
Congratulations, Usual 21. There is always someone in these drafts who makes such an impossibly terrible pick so as to make every other selection before and after it look great by comparison. But you, sir, have outdone yourself. John Paul Jones is the Plan Nine From Outer Space of draft picks. Not only is it clearly the worst pick in this draft, it is also by far the worst pick in any draft I have ever seen, on any level, ficticious or otherwise. Even Ryan Leaf would agree.

You have achieved immortality.
really?I mean, he was ranked 18th in the American draft, so he's probably top 100...

and... well... who picked the owner of the Steelers in round 4 of the American Draft? I'd say that's way worse...

plus there's Anna Nichole Smith a couple rounds ago... She's not even the top ranked stripper/porn star/whore on the board (and for reference, none of the ones above her are gonna get picked)
No.First, while he was 18th in the American draft, that does not translate to top 100 military figures ever. I doubt he makes top 500 military figures ever.

Second, Art Rooney, while a terrible pick, was a sports owner and important to the formation of the modern NFL. In a list of American sports figures, he might make top 200, might even edge into top 150. In a list of great military figures, Jones doesn't get close to this.

Third, Anna Nicole Smith was a terrible pick, but she was a very well known celebrity. Again, given the publicity of the modern era, were we to formulate a list of the most famous celebrities ever, I'd say she has a reasonable shot at the top 100.

No matter how you look at it, Jones is a worse pick than either Rooney or Smith. Jones is the worst pick EVER.
Anna Nichole is no where near top 100 celebrities of all time. Like I said, she's not even the #1 stripper/porn star...I agree that Jones is quite the bad pick, but this draft is in quite a sad state if Anna Nichole is seriously being talked about as a better pick than John Paul Jones... having big breasts and doing porn doesn't make you a great celebrity...

 
Congratulations, Usual 21. There is always someone in these drafts who makes such an impossibly terrible pick so as to make every other selection before and after it look great by comparison. But you, sir, have outdone yourself. John Paul Jones is the Plan Nine From Outer Space of draft picks. Not only is it clearly the worst pick in this draft, it is also by far the worst pick in any draft I have ever seen, on any level, ficticious or otherwise. Even Ryan Leaf would agree.

You have achieved immortality.
really?I mean, he was ranked 18th in the American draft, so he's probably top 100...

and... well... who picked the owner of the Steelers in round 4 of the American Draft? I'd say that's way worse...

plus there's Anna Nichole Smith a couple rounds ago... She's not even the top ranked stripper/porn star/whore on the board (and for reference, none of the ones above her are gonna get picked)
No.First, while he was 18th in the American draft, that does not translate to top 100 military figures ever. I doubt he makes top 500 military figures ever.

Second, Art Rooney, while a terrible pick, was a sports owner and important to the formation of the modern NFL. In a list of American sports figures, he might make top 200, might even edge into top 150. In a list of great military figures, Jones doesn't get close to this.

Third, Anna Nicole Smith was a terrible pick, but she was a very well known celebrity. Again, given the publicity of the modern era, were we to formulate a list of the most famous celebrities ever, I'd say she has a reasonable shot at the top 100.

No matter how you look at it, Jones is a worse pick than either Rooney or Smith. Jones is the worst pick EVER.
Anna Nichole is no where near top 100 celebrities of all time. Like I said, she's not even the #1 stripper/porn star...I agree that Jones is quite the bad pick, but this draft is in quite a sad state if Anna Nichole is seriously being talked about as a better pick than John Paul Jones... having big breasts and doing porn doesn't make you a great celebrity...
This really is irrelevant. She was more than just a stripper/porn star as you put it. She was a very big figure in pop culture. I'm not saying she is a great pick for this draft, but whether or not she was the best stripper/porn star is completely meaningless in the context of her celebrity status.
 
I don't think need has anything to do with it. If you make it through college without seeing enough of Jackie Kennedy that you could recognize her then your college did something wrong.
That's a ridiculous statement, Yankee. What contribution to any subject is Jackie O's recognition important? None. Absolutely none. You could take a "U.S. history since WWII" class in college and not broach the subject of Kennedy's wife, let alone see a picture of her. You think a final exam would test on her? I'd love to see that essay question: "Explain how Kennedy's conflicted feelings for his wife Jackie and Marilyn Monroe is a metaphor for the tensions within America's socio-economic classes of the '60s."
:thumbup: I don't get it. As for a US History class since WWII, you will cover his assassination, and if her face isn't burned into your mind .......
Covering his assassination doesn't mean you see the Zapruder film. Often you won't see any pictures of a subject that you study. And even if you do, many of the images that you might see in a textbook regarding that subject may have nothing to do with Jackie. If you google "Kennedy assassination" images, only 2 of the first 20 shows her face clearly. And she doesn't appear in almost half of them.Jackie was an iconic figure during her day. But she really has no impact on history whatsoever. So why would it be important to know about her?
 
I don't think need has anything to do with it. If you make it through college without seeing enough of Jackie Kennedy that you could recognize her then your college did something wrong.
That's a ridiculous statement, Yankee. What contribution to any subject is Jackie O's recognition important? None. Absolutely none. You could take a "U.S. history since WWII" class in college and not broach the subject of Kennedy's wife, let alone see a picture of her. You think a final exam would test on her? I'd love to see that essay question: "Explain how Kennedy's conflicted feelings for his wife Jackie and Marilyn Monroe is a metaphor for the tensions within America's socio-economic classes of the '60s."
:confused: I don't get it. As for a US History class since WWII, you will cover his assassination, and if her face isn't burned into your mind .......
Covering his assassination doesn't mean you see the Zapruder film. Often you won't see any pictures of a subject that you study. And even if you do, many of the images that you might see in a textbook regarding that subject may have nothing to do with Jackie. If you google "Kennedy assassination" images, only 2 of the first 20 shows her face clearly. And she doesn't appear in almost half of them.Jackie was an iconic figure during her day. But she really has no impact on history whatsoever. So why would it be important to know about her?
I don't know if I ever said it was important to know her face. I just don't see how you can not know her face. I mean, I still remember what Sally Ride looked like. The people of those tragic moments usually burn a place in the memory of the society. That Jackie was a star, basically, before the gunshots only add to her iconic status. Then the funeral, her life after JFK and her later years are just part of our culture. Honestly, I don't know how you can not know what she looks like.I mean, I hate basketball and the NBA but I can pick the iconic guys out of a lineup. Don't spend a lot of time listening to the liberal wing of our polity yet I know what almost all of them look like. :bag:
 
Sports arguments are great. We all enjoy them, whether it's on a forum or in a bar or at home watching a game with your buds.

Many times there are no absolute right or wrong answers, but its fun to compare different eras (even though it is nigh impossible).

In Track & Field, the bar moves continuously. Times keep going lower, athletes jump or throw farther.

But if there is a way to compare track athletes from different eras, it would have to be how they did against their peers while they were competing.

That's why we can point to Jesse Owens in Berlin in 1936 and say 'that was awesome'. They can't take away those four gold medals.

All the world records this man set in the 1,500, 5K and 10K distance running events fell by the wayside long ago.

These accomplishments endure:

MOST GOLD MEDALS at SINGLE OLYMPIA, TRACK & FIELD - 5 (1924)

MOST OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALS, LIFETIME, TRACK & FIELD - 9 (1920, 1924, 1928)

MOST OLYMPIC MEDALS, LIFETIME, TRACK & FIELD - 12 (1920, 1924, 1928)

More than 80 years after he stopped running, he still holds those Olymic records. That's why his name always comes up when we talk about great Olympians. He's one that should be remembered.

I select The Flying Finn,

17.18 (338th pick) - Paavo Nurmi - Athlete

Paavo Nurmi is considered the greatest runner of all time. He was known as "The King of Runners" or the "Flying Finn". Famous all over the world, Nurmi became an unending source of national pride for the newly independent Finland. Paavo Nurmi was driven by love of running. He had a burning will to succeed in life, and racing was his way to gain recognition from his fellow men and to fulfil the high standards he had set for himself. Martti Jukola, a famous Finnish sports journalist, wrote in 1935: "There was something inhumanly stern and cruel about him, but he conquered the world by pure means: with a will that had supernatural power." At three Olympic Games from 1920 to 1928 Nurmi won a total of nine gold and three silver medals.

CHILDHOOD

Paavo Nurmi was born on the 13th of July, 1897, at Turku, a port town on the southwestern coast of Finland. In 1912, at the Olympic Games at Stockholm, Hannes Kolehmainen "ran Finland onto the map of the world", winning three gold medals in long-distance events. His races made an indelible impression on the 15-year-old Paavo Nurmi, who decided to do the same. Soon enough, Paavo got his first pair of running shoes and began serious training.

HARD TRAINING BEARS FRUITS

174 centimetres tall and weighing 65 kilograms at his prime, Paavo Nurmi was ideally built for a long-distance runner. In terms of basic training knowledge, Nurmi was self-educated. He was one of the first top athletes who had a systematic approach in training. Walking, running and calisthenics were the main elements of his harsh training regimen. He learned to measure his pace and its effects with a stop watch, and never raced without one in his hand. In 1914 Paavo Nurmi joined Turun Urheiluliitto, a local sports club that he was to represent all through his career. On May 29th, 1920, at Turku, he set his first Finnish national record. The distance was 3000 metres and the time 8.36,2.

THE OLYMPIC GAMES AT ANTWERP, 1920

The Olympic Games at Antwerp made Paavo Nurmi a star in Finland, a worthy successor of Hannes Kolehmainen. His first Olympic race, the 5000 metres, ended in bitter defeat to Joseph Guillemot of France. This was to be the only time that Nurmi lost in an Olympic final to a foreign runner, however. In the following days he won gold medals in 10 000 metres and the cross-country race, adding a third one in the team event of the latter.

BREAKING RECORDS

In the three years following Antwerp Paavo Nurmi reigned supreme in the world of long-distance running. On the 22nd of June, 1921, at Stockholm, he set his first world record: 30.40,2 in 10 000 metres. He went on to break world records in most distances from 1500 metres to 10 000 metres, meticulously executing his carefully planned time schedules with not much fear from competition. He once put his guiding principle to words: "When you race against time, you don't have to sprint. Others can't hold the pace if it is steady and hard all through to the tape." In the end of 1923 Paavo Nurmi held the world records in three prestige track events: the mile, 5000 metres and 10 000 metres. No-one has done that before or since.

THE OLYMPIC GAMES IN PARIS, 1924

The Games of the VIIIth Olympiad in Paris in 1924 were the finest hour of Finnish athletics and Paavo Nurmi in particular. In six days Nurmi won five gold medals: three individual ones and two in team events. His most legendary feat was to win the 1500 and the 5000 metres with less than two hours between the two races. He also won the cross-country race and led Finland to gold medals in the cross-country team competition and the 3000 metres team race. The French magazine Miroir des Sports wrote: "Paavo Nurmi goes beyond the limits of humanity."

THE PHANTOM FINN

In 1925 Paavo Nurmi toured the United States. During five months he raced 55 times and gave numerous running exhibitions. He won 53 of his races, abandoned once and lost only once. Most of these races took place indoors. In that spring Nurmi got more attention in America than any Finn before or after. The press called him "The Flying Finn", the "Phantom Finn" or "The Finnish Running Marvel".

TURNING POINT OF THE CAREER

The demanding American tour left its mark on the great runner. Later in 1925 Nurmi raced a few times in Finland but broke no records. In fact, in the Olympic distances he never did improve from his three world records all made in 1924 (3.52,6 in 1500, 14.28,2 in 5000 and 30.06,2 in 10 000 metres). 1926 marked a turning point in Nurmi's career. A slow decline had started, and his victory margins began to grow thinner.

THE OLYMPIC GAMES AT AMSTERDAM, 1928

At 31 years of age, with eight gold medals and one silver, Paavo Nurmi had no great interest for further Olympic exploits. However, as success at the forthcoming Games would increase his market value at the American track circuit, Nurmi decided to go to Amsterdam after all. Once there, he won the 10 000 metres and came second in both the 5000 metres and the 3000 metres steeplechase.

ON FOREIGN TRACKS

In autumn 1928, in an interview to a Swedish newspaper, Nurmi said: "This is absolutely my last season on the track. I am beginning to get old. I have raced for fifteen years and have had enough of it." But he decided to go on, doing most of his running abroad from now on. In 1929 he embarked on his second American tour and in the next year he was back in record-breaking form, setting new world marks in six miles in London in June and in 20 kilometres at Stockholm in September.

THE OLYMPIC GAMES AT LOS ANGELES, 1932

In early 1932 Paavo Nurmi trained hard for his fourth Olympic Games, maybe more determined than ever before. He wanted to defend his title in the 10 000 metres, but his greatest ambition was to crown his career with a gold medal in the Olympic marathon, as Hannes Kolehmainen had done in 1920. In that spring, however, Nurmi was suspended from international competition by the International Amateur Athletic Federation, following accusations of professionalism. Nurmi did go to Los Angeles and kept training at the Olympic Village, in spite of the ban and a foot injury. Some witnesses claimed that he could hardly walk from his pains, let alone run. Despite pleas from all the entrants of the Olympic marathon, Paavo Nurmi was never allowed to race at the Los Angeles Games. Nurmi was reduced to the role of a spectator - he could not bring himself to watch the 10 000 metres or the marathon, however. Nurmi claimed that he would have won the marathon by five minutes.

THE "NATIONAL AMATEUR"

Once suspended and branded as a professional, Nurmi was not allowed to compete abroad. His last race outside Finland was a victory in 5000 metres at Königsberg, Germany on October 4th, 1931. The Finnish Athletic Federation never accepted Nurmi's sentence, and he continued to race in the home country until 1934, as a "national amateur". Paavo Nurmi's last race was a victory in 10 000 metres on September 16th, 1934, at Viipuri.

AFTER THE RACES

Having wound up his running career, Nurmi concentrated on a new one, as a businessman and building contractor. Since the 1920's he had been building up his capital, investing wisely in shares. Paavo Nurmi made a considerable fortune, mainly in housing industry. In Helsinki there are 40 town houses built by his company. In the 1930's and 1940's Nurmi sometimes took leave from his business commitments to train Finnish runners.

IN SERVICE OF THE COUNTRY

Paavo Nurmi avoided publicity both in business and in private life but when needed he was always ready to serve the society and Finnish sports in particular. In the war years his fame was put in good use to rally support for the Finnish cause, especially in America. Early in 1940 Paavo Nurmi went to the United States to raise funds for his country, currently waging an uneven war against the Soviet Union. He was accompanied by Taisto Mäki, who had just become the first man to run 10 000 metres inside half an hour. Mäki gave exhibition races, and the proceeds went to the Finnish Relief Fund.

THE OLYMPIC GAMES AT HELSINKI, 1952

The Games of the XVth Olympiad were opened at Helsinki, Finland, on July 19th, 1952. The identity of the last runner of the Olympic torch relay was a well-kept secret. When the electric scoreboard of the Olympic Stadium then flashed the text: "The Olympic torch will be brought into the Stadium by Paavo Nurmi", there was first silence. Then 70 000 people began to roar. Many of those present burst into tears. After Paavo Nurmi had kindled the flame in the bowl the torch was taken to the tower of the Olympic Stadium, were another flame was lit by another Olympic hero, Hannes Kolehmainen.

THE LAST YEARS

Intelligence, introversion and strong determination to achieve any goal were the main characteristics of Paavo Nurmi's mental outlook. In his melancholy moments - more frequent in advanced age - he could even question his unparalleled achievements in sport: "Only real work, science and art have any true value." Paavo Nurmi never retired from his duties. Having recovered from coronary thrombosis in the late 1950's he worked hard until 1967 when the suffered another attack. In 1968 Nurmi set up a research foundation for coronary disease and public health and provided it with two multi-storey buildings and a substantial amount of money.

LAST RESPECTS

Paavo Nurmi died at Helsinki on the second of October, 1973. Obituaries all over the world praised his achievements. Marjatta Väänänen, the Finnish Minister of Education, said in her commemoration speech: "Records will be broken, gold medals lose their lustre, winners find their victors. As historical concept, Paavo Nurmi will never be beaten." On October 11th, 1973, Paavo Nurmi was given a state funeral. The ceremony took place in the Old Church of Helsinki. From there he was taken in a motorcade to his native Turku where he was buried in the family grave at the Old Cemetery.

THE LEGEND

Paavo Nurmi has been honoured in various ways. Several books and thousands of articles have been published about him in many countries. After the Paris Olympic Games in 1924 the Finnish Government ordered a statue of him from the most famous sculptor of the country, Wäinö Aaltonen. In 1952 two more copies of the statue were cast from the original mould: one was erected in front of the Olympic Stadium in Helsinki, the other in Nurmi's home town, Turku. In 1983 the original statue, long kept at the National Art Museum, was placed in front of the Faculty of Physical Education of the University of Jyväskylä. In 1994 one more copy was cast and sent to the park of the Museum of the International Olympic Committee in Lausanne, Switzerland. Medals and stamps have been issued and streets and even a small planet have been named in honour of Paavo Nurmi. In 1987 the Bank of Finland issued a new ten mark note featuring Paavo Nurmi on one side and the Olympic Stadium on the other, making, as far as is known, The Flying Finn the only specific Olympic athlete thus honoured by any nation of the world.

 
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My catch up pick

The Mongol Empire was the largest contiguous empire in human history. The 13th and 14th century, when the empire came to power, is often called the "Age of the Mongols".
This late I need someone dominant for my leader pick.His grandfather did the dirty work, but as history shows us Empires come crumbling down quickly.

Not only did he consolidate his grandfathers work, he built on it and expanded into parts of Asia that had yet to be conquered.

17:13 - Kublai Khan - Leader

Kublai must be regarded as one of the great rulers in history. He showed natural magnanimity and imagination, and he was able to transcend the narrow nomad mentality of his ancestors and to administer a huge state with an ancient civilization. He was a vigorous, shrewd, and pragmatic ruler and was close in spirit to Genghis Khan. While his achievement ranked him second to Genghis among the Mongol rulers, he was not unpopular among the Chinese, enjoying the esteem of even the Chinese orthodox historians. During his lifetime he was acknowledged as the Great Khan of the Mongol confederacy, though in effect his authority was confined to China and its peripheral territories.

Nevertheless, Kublai was not content to be a sage emperor in the Chinese fashion; rather, he aspired to be the all-embracing ruler of the entire Mongol Empire in the footsteps of his grandfather. His partial adoption of Chinese political traditions and his divide-and-rule tactics were ingenious devices in the administration of a complex, populous empire.

As Kublai and his successors steeped themselves deeper in the Chinese tradition, there was a widening schism between the Mongol rulers of China and those of the other khanates within the Mongol confederacy. They preferred to maintain their nomad identity instead of looking toward China for leadership; this estrangement, while weakening the Mongol solidarity, ironically helped to uphold and perpetuate the Mongol heritage after the fall of the Yüan dynasty in 1368.

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In 1271, Kublai established the Yuan Dynasty, which at that time ruled over present-day Mongolia, North China, much of Western China, and some adjacent areas, and assumed the role of a Chinese Emperor. By 1279, the Yuan forces had successfully annihilated the last resistance of the Southern Song Dynasty, and Kublai thus became the first non-Chinese Emperor who conquered all China.

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Kublai Khan centralized taxes and administration, improved agriculture, and established a famously splendid court at Cambaluc (now Beijing). He also welcomed foreign traders, including the traveller Marco Polo. He was immortalized in XXXX 1816 poem Kubla Khan, which begins "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan a stately pleasure-dome decree."

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Under Kublai, the Mongol ruling oligarchy adopted divide-and-rule tactics. The Mongols and central Asians remained unassimilated and separate from Chinese life; the social and economic fabric of the Chinese was left basically unchanged. The rule of the Mongol minority was assured by discriminating legislations. The whole population of China (about 58,000,000 in 1290) was divided into a hierarchy of four social classes: the Mongols; the central Asians; the northern Chinese, Koreans, and Jürchen; and the southern Chinese.

The first two classes enjoyed extensive administrative, economic, and judicial privileges; the third class held an intermediate position; whereas the fourth, the most numerous of all, was practically excluded from state offices. Separate systems of law were maintained for Chinese and for Mongols and also for the Moslem collaborators. The central Asians enjoyed exceptional political privileges because of their contribution as managers of finance for the ruling elite, and at times they were the chief rivals against the Chinese for top administrative positions.

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The Yuan Dynasty (established by Kublai Khan in 1271) is traditionally given credit for reuniting China and expanding its frontiers. The use of paper money (Chao) reached its peak under the Mongol emperors in China.

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For tactical and practical reasons, Kublai adopted a conciliatory policy toward the Chinese. He revived the state cult of Confucius, ordered the protection of the Confucian temples, and exempted the Confucian scholars from taxation.
 
I don't think need has anything to do with it. If you make it through college without seeing enough of Jackie Kennedy that you could recognize her then your college did something wrong.
That's a ridiculous statement, Yankee. What contribution to any subject is Jackie O's recognition important? None. Absolutely none. You could take a "U.S. history since WWII" class in college and not broach the subject of Kennedy's wife, let alone see a picture of her. You think a final exam would test on her? I'd love to see that essay question: "Explain how Kennedy's conflicted feelings for his wife Jackie and Marilyn Monroe is a metaphor for the tensions within America's socio-economic classes of the '60s."
:shrug: I don't get it. As for a US History class since WWII, you will cover his assassination, and if her face isn't burned into your mind .......
Covering his assassination doesn't mean you see the Zapruder film. Often you won't see any pictures of a subject that you study. And even if you do, many of the images that you might see in a textbook regarding that subject may have nothing to do with Jackie. If you google "Kennedy assassination" images, only 2 of the first 20 shows her face clearly. And she doesn't appear in almost half of them.Jackie was an iconic figure during her day. But she really has no impact on history whatsoever. So why would it be important to know about her?
I don't know if I ever said it was important to know her face. I just don't see how you can not know her face. I mean, I still remember what Sally Ride looked like. The people of those tragic moments usually burn a place in the memory of the society. That Jackie was a star, basically, before the gunshots only add to her iconic status. Then the funeral, her life after JFK and her later years are just part of our culture. Honestly, I don't know how you can not know what she looks like.I mean, I hate basketball and the NBA but I can pick the iconic guys out of a lineup. Don't spend a lot of time listening to the liberal wing of our polity yet I know what almost all of them look like. :shrug:
When you say a college 'did something wrong' if you graduate from there not knowing her face, I'd say that implies that knowing her face is pretty dang important. The famous photos of the assassination and funeral don't show Jackie in them. At least not her face so that you can clearly see it. She wore a black veil at the funeral, so you don't see her face. The famous shots of the assassination don't show her face either. I just don't see how her face gets burned into everyone's memories when the photos of those events don't even clearly show it. Now, JFK's face. That's burned into everyone's memory. It's still shown all the time. I don't see how in the world BL will be able to argue Jackie was more of a celebrity than her husband, which is what he's saying by placing her as the #1 celebrity. Let alone the other celebrities I have her behind.
 
Nurmi is as good a pick at athlete as any yet taken. Makes my top 5, and a reasonable argument for top of the list. Outstanding pick.

 
17.18 (358th pick) - Paavo Nurmi - Athlete
That's a great pick. I have Finnish friends who talk about him in the same reverence that Australians talk about Sir Donald Bradman.A truly dominant athlete at MULTIPLE Olympics.

Lightning in a bottle can happen once, but this man is rightfully regarded as one of the greatest Olympians.

 
My catch up pick

The Mongol Empire was the largest contiguous empire in human history. The 13th and 14th century, when the empire came to power, is often called the "Age of the Mongols".
This late I need someone dominant for my leader pick.His grandfather did the dirty work, but as history shows us Empires come crumbling down quickly.

Not only did he consolidate his grandfathers work, he built on it and expanded into parts of Asia that had yet to be conquered.

17:13 - Kublai Khan - Leader
Nice pick.Very deep category - this was #20? taken - but he should get a decent rank IMO.

 
The Nurmi and Khan picks were both very good. Great values as this point in the draft.

ETA: Fixed spelling error.

 
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Nurmi is as good a pick at athlete as any yet taken. Makes my top 5, and a reasonable argument for top of the list. Outstanding pick.
Thanks. He was huge in his time, the last and greatest of the three Finlanders who dominated distance running 1912-28. In doing the research I found his 1925 tour of the USA was quite the sensation, and I'll be honest, I was completely unaware of it. Of course I knew who he was - there's no bigger stage than the Olympics, and he gets mentioned every four years - but until I read the NY Times and LA Times archives, I had no idea that Americans admired him greatly as well.
 
17.16 - John Wesley - Religious figure
Wesley was an Anglican cleric and Christian theologian who founded the Arminian Methodist movement. The Wesley Methodist Movement began when Wesley took over open-air preaching at Hanham Mount, Kingswood, and Bristol.Wesley believed that each person could be saved by faith in God. Methodism in both forms was a highly successful evangelical movement in the United Kingdom, which encouraged congregants to experience Christ personally.Under Wesley's direction, Methodists became leaders in many social justice issues of the day, including prison reform and abolitionism movements. Wesley's contribution as a theologian was to propose a system of opposing theological stances. His greatest theological achievement was his promotion of what he termed "Christian Perfection," or holiness of heart and life. Wesley insisted that in this life, the Christian could come to a state where the love of God, or perfect love, reigned supreme in one's heart. His evangelical theology, especially his understanding of Christian perfection, was firmly grounded in his sacramental theology. He continually insisted on the general use of the means of grace (prayer, Scripture, meditation, Holy Communion, etc.) as the means by which God transformed the believer.His opposition to slavery and the slave trade began long before the issue had received widespread attention, and was sustained throughout his life. Indeed, his attitudes to slavery were formed early. In 1736-7 Wesley visited the then British colony of Georgia in North America where he came into contact with slaves. At the same time, he read Thomas Southerne's play Oroonoko, which was based on Aphra Behn's novel of the same name, and which related the tragedy of Oroonoko, an African prince kidnapped and sold into slavery. On his return to England, he passed the time on the long transatlantic voyage by teaching a young black man, presumably a slave, how to read and write.
 
In terms of celebrity, imo, Jackie O <> Princess Diana. Different times but Jackie O was the precursor, the example, the trend setter that Princess Diana emulated.

 
17.16 - John Wesley - Religious figure
:thumbup: :bag: :bow: :hifive: :pickle: :excited:
2nd best preacher ever lived, the way i hear it & #1 was son o' god.Nurmi was also a great selection. growin up in the early 60s, my favorite book was the story of the 50 greatest athletes. it was half baseball/football guys & half Olympians (we had just had 2 great decathletes & then there were the 4-min mile & 15ft pole vault guys), but my favorite story was the Flying Finn dominating three Olympics.

 
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In terms of celebrity, imo, Jackie O <> Princess Diana. Different times but Jackie O was the precursor, the example, the trend setter that Princess Diana emulated.
And of course Evita is better than both of them.
We're gonna need 3 tape measures over hereMister CIA time out at 5:15

Abrantes is on the clock until 6:15 p.m. EST for the first of two picks (17.20 & 18.01)

18.02 is an autoskip unless he posts 17.19

I have 18.03, then (presumably) the clock will be off for the day

Let's keep picking tonight and get a few more in before the game starts

 
Mostly, though, I wanted to acknowledge you bit the bullet and took a religious figure before round 22.
The categories I have remaining are the ones where if you didn't get one of the greats that it was no use reaching for one.
Yeah, I'm not seeing the "holes" in categories that I was seeing last week.Check this out from last week -- each of these guys was an example of seeing a top pick (or at least a very solid pick) in a category fall too far:

9.9 - Doug B: St. Thomas Aquinas, Philosopher

10.12 - Doug B: Joseph Haydn, Composer

11.9 - Doug B: Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Playwright/Poet

13.9 - Doug B: Charles Babbage, Inventor

14.12 - Doug B: Charlie Chaplin, Celebrity

15.9 - Doug B: Lech Wałęsa, Rebel

16.12 - Doug B: Thomas Malthus, Intellectual

Nothing anywhere near as inviting is showing up now.

 
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Looks like Mister CIA might be driving by...ON THE CLOCK 5:15 p.m. EST.

The Brazilian has the next two after that.
'tis time for a drive by.Tim, please move Lao Tzu to Wild card and Kant to philosopher.

For my next pick, I'm torn between two for the intellectual category. I'll go with the one who was truly dominant in his area of expertise.

17.19 - Garry Kasparov - Intellectual

Skip me at 18.02 and I will make up pick later.

 
17.16 - John Wesley - Religious figure

Wesley was an Anglican cleric and Christian theologian who founded the Arminian Methodist movement. The Wesley Methodist Movement began when Wesley took over open-air preaching at Hanham Mount, Kingswood, and Bristol.Wesley believed that each person could be saved by faith in God. Methodism in both forms was a highly successful evangelical movement in the United Kingdom, which encouraged congregants to experience Christ personally.Under Wesley's direction, Methodists became leaders in many social justice issues of the day, including prison reform and abolitionism movements. Wesley's contribution as a theologian was to propose a system of opposing theological stances. His greatest theological achievement was his promotion of what he termed "Christian Perfection," or holiness of heart and life. Wesley insisted that in this life, the Christian could come to a state where the love of God, or perfect love, reigned supreme in one's heart. His evangelical theology, especially his understanding of Christian perfection, was firmly grounded in his sacramental theology. He continually insisted on the general use of the means of grace (prayer, Scripture, meditation, Holy Communion, etc.) as the means by which God transformed the believer.His opposition to slavery and the slave trade began long before the issue had received widespread attention, and was sustained throughout his life. Indeed, his attitudes to slavery were formed early. In 1736-7 Wesley visited the then British colony of Georgia in North America where he came into contact with slaves. At the same time, he read Thomas Southerne's play Oroonoko, which was based on Aphra Behn's novel of the same name, and which related the tragedy of Oroonoko, an African prince kidnapped and sold into slavery. On his return to England, he passed the time on the long transatlantic voyage by teaching a young black man, presumably a slave, how to read and write.
Wesley > Calvin & Luther:coffee:
 
17.16 - John Wesley - Religious figure

Wesley was an Anglican cleric and Christian theologian who founded the Arminian Methodist movement. The Wesley Methodist Movement began when Wesley took over open-air preaching at Hanham Mount, Kingswood, and Bristol.Wesley believed that each person could be saved by faith in God. Methodism in both forms was a highly successful evangelical movement in the United Kingdom, which encouraged congregants to experience Christ personally.Under Wesley's direction, Methodists became leaders in many social justice issues of the day, including prison reform and abolitionism movements. Wesley's contribution as a theologian was to propose a system of opposing theological stances. His greatest theological achievement was his promotion of what he termed "Christian Perfection," or holiness of heart and life. Wesley insisted that in this life, the Christian could come to a state where the love of God, or perfect love, reigned supreme in one's heart. His evangelical theology, especially his understanding of Christian perfection, was firmly grounded in his sacramental theology. He continually insisted on the general use of the means of grace (prayer, Scripture, meditation, Holy Communion, etc.) as the means by which God transformed the believer.His opposition to slavery and the slave trade began long before the issue had received widespread attention, and was sustained throughout his life. Indeed, his attitudes to slavery were formed early. In 1736-7 Wesley visited the then British colony of Georgia in North America where he came into contact with slaves. At the same time, he read Thomas Southerne's play Oroonoko, which was based on Aphra Behn's novel of the same name, and which related the tragedy of Oroonoko, an African prince kidnapped and sold into slavery. On his return to England, he passed the time on the long transatlantic voyage by teaching a young black man, presumably a slave, how to read and write.
Wesley > Calvin & Luther:coffee:
:thumbup:
 
17.16 - John Wesley - Religious figure

Wesley was an Anglican cleric and Christian theologian who founded the Arminian Methodist movement. The Wesley Methodist Movement began when Wesley took over open-air preaching at Hanham Mount, Kingswood, and Bristol.Wesley believed that each person could be saved by faith in God. Methodism in both forms was a highly successful evangelical movement in the United Kingdom, which encouraged congregants to experience Christ personally.Under Wesley's direction, Methodists became leaders in many social justice issues of the day, including prison reform and abolitionism movements. Wesley's contribution as a theologian was to propose a system of opposing theological stances. His greatest theological achievement was his promotion of what he termed "Christian Perfection," or holiness of heart and life. Wesley insisted that in this life, the Christian could come to a state where the love of God, or perfect love, reigned supreme in one's heart. His evangelical theology, especially his understanding of Christian perfection, was firmly grounded in his sacramental theology. He continually insisted on the general use of the means of grace (prayer, Scripture, meditation, Holy Communion, etc.) as the means by which God transformed the believer.His opposition to slavery and the slave trade began long before the issue had received widespread attention, and was sustained throughout his life. Indeed, his attitudes to slavery were formed early. In 1736-7 Wesley visited the then British colony of Georgia in North America where he came into contact with slaves. At the same time, he read Thomas Southerne's play Oroonoko, which was based on Aphra Behn's novel of the same name, and which related the tragedy of Oroonoko, an African prince kidnapped and sold into slavery. On his return to England, he passed the time on the long transatlantic voyage by teaching a young black man, presumably a slave, how to read and write.
Wesley > Calvin & Luther:yes:
:no:
Oddly, I never really even considered Luther in the Religious category because he was such an obviously high choice as a Rebel. I'd have to think he would top 10 there as well though.
 
My catch up pick

The Mongol Empire was the largest contiguous empire in human history. The 13th and 14th century, when the empire came to power, is often called the "Age of the Mongols".
This late I need someone dominant for my leader pick.His grandfather did the dirty work, but as history shows us Empires come crumbling down quickly.

Not only did he consolidate his grandfathers work, he built on it and expanded into parts of Asia that had yet to be conquered.

17:13 - Kublai Khan - Leader

Kublai must be regarded as one of the great rulers in history. He showed natural magnanimity and imagination, and he was able to transcend the narrow nomad mentality of his ancestors and to administer a huge state with an ancient civilization. He was a vigorous, shrewd, and pragmatic ruler and was close in spirit to Genghis Khan. While his achievement ranked him second to Genghis among the Mongol rulers, he was not unpopular among the Chinese, enjoying the esteem of even the Chinese orthodox historians. During his lifetime he was acknowledged as the Great Khan of the Mongol confederacy, though in effect his authority was confined to China and its peripheral territories.

Nevertheless, Kublai was not content to be a sage emperor in the Chinese fashion; rather, he aspired to be the all-embracing ruler of the entire Mongol Empire in the footsteps of his grandfather. His partial adoption of Chinese political traditions and his divide-and-rule tactics were ingenious devices in the administration of a complex, populous empire.

As Kublai and his successors steeped themselves deeper in the Chinese tradition, there was a widening schism between the Mongol rulers of China and those of the other khanates within the Mongol confederacy. They preferred to maintain their nomad identity instead of looking toward China for leadership; this estrangement, while weakening the Mongol solidarity, ironically helped to uphold and perpetuate the Mongol heritage after the fall of the Yüan dynasty in 1368.

.............

In 1271, Kublai established the Yuan Dynasty, which at that time ruled over present-day Mongolia, North China, much of Western China, and some adjacent areas, and assumed the role of a Chinese Emperor. By 1279, the Yuan forces had successfully annihilated the last resistance of the Southern Song Dynasty, and Kublai thus became the first non-Chinese Emperor who conquered all China.

.............

Kublai Khan centralized taxes and administration, improved agriculture, and established a famously splendid court at Cambaluc (now Beijing). He also welcomed foreign traders, including the traveller Marco Polo. He was immortalized in XXXX 1816 poem Kubla Khan, which begins "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan a stately pleasure-dome decree."

.....

Under Kublai, the Mongol ruling oligarchy adopted divide-and-rule tactics. The Mongols and central Asians remained unassimilated and separate from Chinese life; the social and economic fabric of the Chinese was left basically unchanged. The rule of the Mongol minority was assured by discriminating legislations. The whole population of China (about 58,000,000 in 1290) was divided into a hierarchy of four social classes: the Mongols; the central Asians; the northern Chinese, Koreans, and Jürchen; and the southern Chinese.

The first two classes enjoyed extensive administrative, economic, and judicial privileges; the third class held an intermediate position; whereas the fourth, the most numerous of all, was practically excluded from state offices. Separate systems of law were maintained for Chinese and for Mongols and also for the Moslem collaborators. The central Asians enjoyed exceptional political privileges because of their contribution as managers of finance for the ruling elite, and at times they were the chief rivals against the Chinese for top administrative positions.

...........

The Yuan Dynasty (established by Kublai Khan in 1271) is traditionally given credit for reuniting China and expanding its frontiers. The use of paper money (Chao) reached its peak under the Mongol emperors in China.

...........

For tactical and practical reasons, Kublai adopted a conciliatory policy toward the Chinese. He revived the state cult of Confucius, ordered the protection of the Confucian temples, and exempted the Confucian scholars from taxation.
In Xanadu did Kubla KhanA stately pleasure-dome decree:

Where Alph, the sacred river, ran

Through caverns measureless to man

Down to a sunless sea.

The man who consolidated what Genghis Khan conquered. And by the way, that poem is where the term Xanadu came from. Great pick.

 
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My catch up pick

The Mongol Empire was the largest contiguous empire in human history. The 13th and 14th century, when the empire came to power, is often called the "Age of the Mongols".
This late I need someone dominant for my leader pick.His grandfather did the dirty work, but as history shows us Empires come crumbling down quickly.

Not only did he consolidate his grandfathers work, he built on it and expanded into parts of Asia that had yet to be conquered.

17:13 - Kublai Khan - Leader

Kublai must be regarded as one of the great rulers in history. He showed natural magnanimity and imagination, and he was able to transcend the narrow nomad mentality of his ancestors and to administer a huge state with an ancient civilization. He was a vigorous, shrewd, and pragmatic ruler and was close in spirit to Genghis Khan. While his achievement ranked him second to Genghis among the Mongol rulers, he was not unpopular among the Chinese, enjoying the esteem of even the Chinese orthodox historians. During his lifetime he was acknowledged as the Great Khan of the Mongol confederacy, though in effect his authority was confined to China and its peripheral territories.

Nevertheless, Kublai was not content to be a sage emperor in the Chinese fashion; rather, he aspired to be the all-embracing ruler of the entire Mongol Empire in the footsteps of his grandfather. His partial adoption of Chinese political traditions and his divide-and-rule tactics were ingenious devices in the administration of a complex, populous empire.

As Kublai and his successors steeped themselves deeper in the Chinese tradition, there was a widening schism between the Mongol rulers of China and those of the other khanates within the Mongol confederacy. They preferred to maintain their nomad identity instead of looking toward China for leadership; this estrangement, while weakening the Mongol solidarity, ironically helped to uphold and perpetuate the Mongol heritage after the fall of the Yüan dynasty in 1368.

.............

In 1271, Kublai established the Yuan Dynasty, which at that time ruled over present-day Mongolia, North China, much of Western China, and some adjacent areas, and assumed the role of a Chinese Emperor. By 1279, the Yuan forces had successfully annihilated the last resistance of the Southern Song Dynasty, and Kublai thus became the first non-Chinese Emperor who conquered all China.

.............

Kublai Khan centralized taxes and administration, improved agriculture, and established a famously splendid court at Cambaluc (now Beijing). He also welcomed foreign traders, including the traveller Marco Polo. He was immortalized in XXXX 1816 poem Kubla Khan, which begins "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan a stately pleasure-dome decree."

.....

Under Kublai, the Mongol ruling oligarchy adopted divide-and-rule tactics. The Mongols and central Asians remained unassimilated and separate from Chinese life; the social and economic fabric of the Chinese was left basically unchanged. The rule of the Mongol minority was assured by discriminating legislations. The whole population of China (about 58,000,000 in 1290) was divided into a hierarchy of four social classes: the Mongols; the central Asians; the northern Chinese, Koreans, and Jürchen; and the southern Chinese.

The first two classes enjoyed extensive administrative, economic, and judicial privileges; the third class held an intermediate position; whereas the fourth, the most numerous of all, was practically excluded from state offices. Separate systems of law were maintained for Chinese and for Mongols and also for the Moslem collaborators. The central Asians enjoyed exceptional political privileges because of their contribution as managers of finance for the ruling elite, and at times they were the chief rivals against the Chinese for top administrative positions.

...........

The Yuan Dynasty (established by Kublai Khan in 1271) is traditionally given credit for reuniting China and expanding its frontiers. The use of paper money (Chao) reached its peak under the Mongol emperors in China.

...........

For tactical and practical reasons, Kublai adopted a conciliatory policy toward the Chinese. He revived the state cult of Confucius, ordered the protection of the Confucian temples, and exempted the Confucian scholars from taxation.
In Xanadu did Kubla KhanA stately pleasure-dome decree:

Where Alph, the sacred river, ran

Through caverns measureless to man

Down to a sunless sea.

The man who consolidated what Genghis Khan conquered. And by the way, that poem is where the term Xanadu came from. Great pick.
I love that poem, and to this day remember every word, but I can't remember who wrote it. :yes:
 
My next pick is recognized as one of the most brilliant and influential filmmakers of modern cinema; he was not popular. Never beholden to the Hollywood studios, so he was the most fortunate of artists - he was allowed to make art for arts sake.

On one level there are the general run of filmmakers who supply the public with good, solid entertainment year after year. Above them are the artists who make films that are deeper, more personal, more original, more exciting. And finally, above them all, there's Ingmar Bergman, who is probably the greatest film artist, all things considered, since the invention of the motion picture camera.

- WOODY ALLEN
18.03 (343rd pick) - Ingmar Bergman - Artist non-PainterThe son of a stern Lutheran pastor who eventually became chaplain to Sweden's royal family, Ingmar Bergman was raised under strict discipline, on occasion spending hours in a dark closet for infractions of his father's rigid ethical code. The traumatic experiences of his childhood were later to play a significant role in his work as a stage and film director. He fell in love with the theatre at the age of five, after seeing his first play, and at the age of nine conjured up a toy theatre under a table in his playroom. He became involved in stage production, as an actor and director, at the University of Stockholm, where he studied literature and art, and after graduation he became a trainee-director at a Stockholm theatre. During that period he wrote a number of plays, novels, and short stories, most of which he failed to have produced or published. He entered the Swedish film industry in 1941 as a script doctor. His big opportunity came in 1944 when he was assigned to write the script for Hets (titled Torment in the US, Frenzy in the UK) for director Alf Sjöberg. The film became an international success and the following year Bergman was assigned his first film as director.

Bergman's early films are in themselves largely insignificant, but they are interesting from a film historian's point of view as works that contain the seeds of the director's artistic development and hint at greatness to come. They typically dealt with problems and frustrations of the young and the generation gap in Swedish society. Bergman's first important film was Fängelse (The Devil's Wanton in the US, Prison in the UK), released in 1949. It is the first complete Bergman work, drawn from his own original script, and it is imprinted with many of the expressive means that were to become identified as the director's personal style. The plot, dealing with events leading to a young prostitute's suicide, is dotted with references to God and Devil, Life and Death–philosophical and ethical questions that were to torment Bergman in many of his future films.

Another consistent Bergman theme–the psychology of women and their introspective inner world–began to emerge in his next film, Törst (Three Strange Loves in the US, Thirst in the UK). He later developed the theme further in such films as Sommarlek / Illicit Interlude / Summer Interlude (1951), Kvinnors Väntan / Secrets of Women / Waiting Women (1952), Sommaren med Monika / Monika / Summer with Monika (1953), Kvinnodröm / Dreams / Journey Into Autumn (1955), and Sommarnattens Leende / Smiles of a Summer Night (1955). The inner world of women remained an integral part of the Bergman theme in many other films, within the context of broader issues and personal concerns. A landmark in Bergman's development was Gycklarnas Afton / The Naked Night / Sawdust and Tinsel (1953), a film that reveals the director's maturation as a visual stylist as well as a philosophical artist. But Bergman remained an ignored director at home and virtually unknown abroad until Sommarnattens Leende / Smiles of a Summer Night (1955) and Det Sjunde Inseglet / The Seventh Seal (1957) catapulted him into fame as a new Scandinavian master by winning prizes at the Cannes Film Festival.

The Seventh Seal in particular, a film dealing allegorically and agonizingly with the philosophy and metaphysics of man’s relationship to God and his encounters with the idea of Death, created a Bergman vogue in art theatres all over the world. His films began reflecting more and more his personal, inner world, his anguish and fears, his joys and hopes. He developed a team of players which grew into a virtual stock company, in his stage productions as well as in his films. Gunnar Björnstrand and Max von Sydow were his most notable male protagonists. The latter came to be identified over the years as Bergman's on-screen alter ego, an incarnation of the artist's torment and doubts. Actresses who played an important role in Bergman’s screen dissertations include Bibi Andersson, Harriet Andersson (they are unrelated), Ingrid Thulin, and Liv Ullmann. The latter lived with the director for many years and gave birth to his child. Gunnar Fischer and later Sven Nykvist were his regular cameramen, providing the visual boldness that was so necessary for his themes.

Another landmark film in Bergman's career was Smultronstället / Wild Strawberries (1957), which deals powerfully and profoundly with the subject of man's isolation, and like several others of the director's films uses a journey as a plot structure. The film marked a pinnacle in the international Bergman cult, after which his reputation went into an anticlimatic semidecline. The Bergman "trilogy" of the early 60s, which consisted of Såsom i en spegel / Through a Glass Darkly (1961), Nattvardsgästerna / Winter Light / The Communicants (1963), and Tystnaden / The Silence (1963) met with mixed critical reaction, possibly because of the director's overly ambitious attempt to deal in physical film terms with the complex metaphysical question of the existence of God and the equally difficult-to-sustain phenomena of human isolation and alienation. Of the three films, The Silence fared best with critics and audiences. But Bergman enjoyed a significant resurrection of reputation with Persona (1966), a film that marked his departure from metaphysics toward the realm of human psychology. This renewed reputation was further enhanced by Viskningar och Rop / Cries and Whispers (1972).

The year 1976 was a traumatic one in the life of Ingmar Bergman. On January 30, while rehearsing Strindberg's "Dance of Death" at Stockholm's Royal Dramatic Theatre, he was arrest by two plainclothes policeman, booked like a common criminal, and charged with income-tax fraud. The impact of the event on Bergman was devastating. He suffered a nervous breakdown as a result of the humiliation and was hospitalized in a state of deep depression. Even though the charges were later dropped, Bergman was for a while inconsolate, fearing he would never again return to directing. He eventually recovered from the shock, but despite pleas by the Swedish prime minister, high public figures, and leaders of the film industry, he vowed never to work again in Sweden. He closed down his studio on the barren Baltic island of Fårö and went into self-imposed exile abroad. In April of 1976 he visited Hollywood and announced plans to make films in the United States. His next was a German-American production, which he filmed in Munich. The film, The Serpent’s Egg (1977), deals with the collapse of the German currency and other events of the 20s that paved the way for Hitler's rise to power. It was followed by a British-Norwegian co-production Autumn Sonata (1978), in which for the first time he directed another famous Swede, Ingrid Bergman. Although he continued to operate from Munich, by mid-1978, Ingmar Bergman seemed to have overcome much of his bitterness toward his motherland. In July of that year he was back in Sweden, celebrating his 60th birthday on Fårö and resuming his work as a director at Stockholm's Royal Dramatic Theatre. To honour his return, the Swedish Film Institute launched a new Ingmar Bergman prize to be awarded annually for excellence in filmmaking.

In 1983, just when it seemed his career had gone years past its zenith, Bergman astonished the film world with what many consider one of his finest achievements. An intimately personal work, Fanny and Alexander offered a mature, sober reappraisal of the themes and soul-searching questions that preoccupied the director throughout his career. But the film was surprisingly mellow and accessible to a wider audience. Gone were the pessimism and anguish that characterized many of his earlier films. Instead, filmgoers found an exuberant affirmation of life, love, and faith, bathed in vivid colors–a hopeful summation of a cinema poet's lifelong inner conflict. Fanny and Alexander fared commercially well in the US, where it won Academy Awards for best foreign language film, best cinematography, best art direction, and best costume design. Bergman was nominated for best director. The film also shared the International Critics Prize at the 1983 Venice Festival. After the film's release, Bergman announced his retirement from filmmaking. Within a year he was back, however, with After the Rehearsal, a small-scale production originally made for TV that went on to receive theatrical distribution.

Ingmar Bergman, for years a dominant figure in theatre and cinema, was widely recognized as one of the leading film artists of the late 20th century. He is among a select few directors who have consistently used the medium of cinema as a creative art of personal expression, and among an even smaller group that has been able to exercise near-complete freedom and total artistic control over its film product. He is the author of autobiography The Magic Lantern (1988) and film memoir Images: My Life in Film (1993). He wrote the novel The Best Intentions (1993), based on his parents' lives, and the screenplay for the 1992 film on the same subject.

 
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