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[BobbyLayne]

Any other thoughts on my villian rankings? Yankee, Ozy, NCC? I don't know if there is no uproar because people haven't read them yet or they think they are fine.

I thought, based on your stated criteria, Ivan the Terrible would have come out much higher. I've seen all-time villain lists where he was as high 3rd, behind only Stalin and Hitler. Body count, sick and twisted, would have 500 people tortured and mutliated daily for entertainment purposes, ordered geneocides that were so widespread the river overflowed from too many bodies clogging it, 'accidently' struck and killed his own son in a fit of rage (who was mad at him for beating the crap out of his pregnant daughter-in-law because she dressed too slutty).Was there some quality you were looking for he lacked?

You know to be honest he was one guy who I started out with high and bumped him down a bit. When looking at the list I think there is a decent dropoff after #10. Ivan could have been anywhere from 3-10 and I wouldn't really have a problem with it. Who out of the guys ahead of him do you think he belongs above?

Everybody except for Vlad. To me that is the clear #3. Like timschochet, I have been re-reading William Shire's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" since we started this. While there were many involved in design and implementation of the final solution, I have a hard time seeing this many Nazis in the top ten. Himmler shirked away from violence, Mengelewas that not a sadist, so they fail the sick and twisted test.I hate...arguing...for...this. I hate this category, I wish it was not part of the draft. But I knew it would be a lively discussion. It's a bit of a sad commentary about the human condition that tomorrow morning I'll post Humanitarian/Martyr/Saint rankings, and it will probably get less response than any other category. In the popular vote, it will be a push category that gets overlooked more often than not. Meanwhile, sickest villain on your team will get you consideration for a check mark.Pretty effed up, eh?

 

[timschochet]

BobbyLayne and I are on the same page here. In fact, and BL should attest to this since he's reading Shirer too, if there's any single Nazi that deserves consideration for this list besides Adolf Hitler, it's Reinhard Heydrich, who was not drafted.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Everybody except for Vlad. To me that is the clear #3. Like timschochet, I have been re-reading William Shire's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" since we started this. While there were many involved in design and implementation of the final solution, I have a hard time seeing this many Nazis in the top ten. Himmler shirked away from violence, Mengelewas that not a sadist, so they fail the sick and twisted test.I hate...arguing...for...this. I hate this category, I wish it was not part of the draft. But I knew it would be a lively discussion. It's a bit of a sad commentary about the human condition that tomorrow morning I'll post Humanitarian/Martyr/Saint rankings, and it will probably get less response than any other category. In the popular vote, it will be a push category that gets overlooked more often than not. Meanwhile, sickest villain on your team will get you consideration for a check mark.Pretty effed up, eh?

actually the amount of discussion on humanitarian/saint/martyr might be more than you expect...you have a couple of people in there that aren't really "humanitarians", but are saints and religiously important and if you rate them too highly or too lowly, you'll get a lot of discussion...

 

[BobbyLayne]

Everybody except for Vlad. To me that is the clear #3. Like timschochet, I have been re-reading William Shire's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" since we started this. While there were many involved in design and implementation of the final solution, I have a hard time seeing this many Nazis in the top ten. Himmler shirked away from violence, Mengelewas that not a sadist, so they fail the sick and twisted test.I hate...arguing...for...this. I hate this category, I wish it was not part of the draft. But I knew it would be a lively discussion. It's a bit of a sad commentary about the human condition that tomorrow morning I'll post Humanitarian/Martyr/Saint rankings, and it will probably get less response than any other category. In the popular vote, it will be a push category that gets overlooked more often than not. Meanwhile, sickest villain on your team will get you consideration for a check mark.Pretty effed up, eh?

actually the amount of discussion on humanitarian/saint/martyr might be more than you expect...you have a couple of people in there that aren't really "humanitarians", but are saints and religiously important and if you rate them too highly or too lowly, you'll get a lot of discussion...

That's true, LB. I can tell you right now that I broadened the category as much as I felt I could to include all three sub-categories. That made it difficult to judge because it became a conglomeration at that point, but I feel it would have been unfair to just drop all the martyrs or saints down. It's also kind of a lazy way to judge - square peg, round hole, down to #20 for you.It's interesting, I have shared the list with a few people who are - shall we say, 'not affiliated with any organized religion - and they don't agree with what I came up with. But like I said, I can't just put the science/medical folks at the top with the saints at the bottom and say "Oh, well, it's really just a humanitarian category even though we put these other two labels on it, medical advancements mean the most because they last longer than the individual, blah blah blah". FWIW, nor did I discount the science/medical contributors. I tried to find a balance. Probably when you guys see it, I will have achieved nirvana by pleasing no one.

 

[wikkidpissah]

saints are commies.

 

[Orange Crush]

saints are commies.

but are all commies saints?

 

[wikkidpissah]

saints are commies.

but are all commies saints?

by the commutative principle of wussiness, they just might be.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Everybody except for Vlad. To me that is the clear #3. Like timschochet, I have been re-reading William Shire's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" since we started this. While there were many involved in design and implementation of the final solution, I have a hard time seeing this many Nazis in the top ten. Himmler shirked away from violence, Mengelewas that not a sadist, so they fail the sick and twisted test.I hate...arguing...for...this. I hate this category, I wish it was not part of the draft. But I knew it would be a lively discussion. It's a bit of a sad commentary about the human condition that tomorrow morning I'll post Humanitarian/Martyr/Saint rankings, and it will probably get less response than any other category. In the popular vote, it will be a push category that gets overlooked more often than not. Meanwhile, sickest villain on your team will get you consideration for a check mark.Pretty effed up, eh?

actually the amount of discussion on humanitarian/saint/martyr might be more than you expect...you have a couple of people in there that aren't really "humanitarians", but are saints and religiously important and if you rate them too highly or too lowly, you'll get a lot of discussion...

That's true, LB. I can tell you right now that I broadened the category as much as I felt I could to include all three sub-categories. That made it difficult to judge because it became a conglomeration at that point, but I feel it would have been unfair to just drop all the martyrs or saints down. It's also kind of a lazy way to judge - square peg, round hole, down to #20 for you.It's interesting, I have shared the list with a few people who are - shall we say, 'not affiliated with any organized religion - and they don't agree with what I came up with. But like I said, I can't just put the science/medical folks at the top with the saints at the bottom and say "Oh, well, it's really just a humanitarian category even though we put these other two labels on it, medical advancements mean the most because they last longer than the individual, blah blah blah". FWIW, nor did I discount the science/medical contributors. I tried to find a balance. Probably when you guys see it, I will have achieved nirvana by pleasing no one.

honestly, it sounds like you did it the fairest way possible... which seems to be on some level comparing the people to their peers and then combining those lists from there, rather than straight rating who was better, a saint or a modern philanthropist or whatever...

 

[BobbyLayne]

BobbyLayne and I are on the same page here. In fact, and BL should attest to this since he's reading Shirer too, if there's any single Nazi that deserves consideration for this list besides Adolf Hitler, it's Reinhard Heydrich, who was not drafted.

I knew immediately who you referring to right before my pick of Oskar Schindler (I wrote about my 'Nazi fatigue in the writeup'); but I guess folks forget about him since he was assassinated in '42.Shirer's book has been out almost 50 years...I wonder how much it still gets read? It was always a bit daunting at over 1,000 pages, but I remember our mother had a hard copy in our library (she always made sure we had plenty of classics and current books she thought were important). Growing up in the 60s and 70s, it was kind of drilled into our heads that there were a lot of factors that led to Nazi Germany. It went far beyond one man with persuasive oratorical skills, there were many socio-economic factors as a result of the treaty of Versailles. I remember even as a small child we were taught civil disobedience was important, speak out if you see injustice - Niemöller's poem was widely taught as the civics lesson of the Holocaust:

When the Nazis came for the communists,I remained silent;I was not a communist. Then they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;I was not a social democrat.Then they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;I was not a trade unionist.Then they came for the Jews,I did not speak out;I was not a Jew.When they came for me,there was no one left to speak out for me.

WWII wasn't such a long time ago when I was a child. I wonder how much (if anything) about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust is taught in school today.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I have no major dispute with the villain list that requires a long debate. OBviously I believe Hitler is the clear #1 and would rank him as the most important and influential person of the 20th century, but I get the Stalin "love"

 

[Yankee23Fan]

BobbyLayne and I are on the same page here. In fact, and BL should attest to this since he's reading Shirer too, if there's any single Nazi that deserves consideration for this list besides Adolf Hitler, it's Reinhard Heydrich, who was not drafted.

I knew immediately who you referring to right before my pick of Oskar Schindler (I wrote about my 'Nazi fatigue in the writeup'); but I guess folks forget about him since he was assassinated in '42.Shirer's book has been out almost 50 years...I wonder how much it still gets read? It was always a bit daunting at over 1,000 pages, but I remember our mother had a hard copy in our library (she always made sure we had plenty of classics and current books she thought were important). Growing up in the 60s and 70s, it was kind of drilled into our heads that there were a lot of factors that led to Nazi Germany. It went far beyond one man with persuasive oratorical skills, there were many socio-economic factors as a result of the treaty of Versailles. I remember even as a small child we were taught civil disobedience was important, speak out if you see injustice - Niemöller's poem was widely taught as the civics lesson of the Holocaust:

When the Nazis came for the communists,I remained silent;I was not a communist. Then they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;I was not a social democrat.Then they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;I was not a trade unionist.Then they came for the Jews,I did not speak out;I was not a Jew.When they came for me,there was no one left to speak out for me.

WWII wasn't such a long time ago when I was a child. I wonder how much (if anything) about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust is taught in school today.

I had a teacher in high school who was a massive liberal. This woman just oozed bleeding heart. To the point where I'm surprised she didn't need an actual transfusion ever day just to live. We ended up in many debates. However, unlike most of the rest of her peers in high school, and especially college, she actually engaged in entertaining and educating debate.That poem came up in one debate and she used as a point to have a class long discussion on what a civic minded person in such a situation could do. It was one of the better discussions I ever had in school, at any level, and while I don't remember all the specifics this far away from that time, I do remember that it happened.

 

[flysack]

Haven't seen him mentioned but where would L. Ron be had he been drafted?

Tier 2 inventor.

Top 10 novelist.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I had a teacher in high school who was a massive liberal. This woman just oozed bleeding heart. To the point where I'm surprised she didn't need an actual transfusion ever day just to live. We ended up in many debates. However, unlike most of the rest of her peers in high school, and especially college, she actually engaged in entertaining and educating debate.That poem came up in one debate and she used as a point to have a class long discussion on what a civic minded person in such a situation could do. It was one of the better discussions I ever had in school, at any level, and while I don't remember all the specifics this far away from that time, I do remember that it happened.

I grew up in a small rural village of about 200 in the midwest, the junior high and high school were 8 miles away in a factory town of about 7,000. I've talked with my gf about the civic lessons we had, and she is blown away with what our teachers taught. Now she went to a well known private girls academy here in Manhattan, and attended a seven sisters college, but I realize now I got a more balanced education than she did.When we were in fourth grade we did a mock trial of Lt. William Calley (Mai Lai massacre). In fifth grade we role played congressional debates over ecological and forest preservation legislation. When the Watergate hearings were going on we watched it everyday.I got pretty lucky for a country bumpkin to have great teachers.

 

[Big Rocks]

Okay, i'm making some final tweaks to the scientist rankings, so they should be ready in an hour or so.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I took AP World History in high school (in 2001) and the Holocaust was not covered very significantly. Most of my knowledge of history is through my own readings, as I feel the high school curriculim was severly lacking.

 

[flysack]

WWII wasn't such a long time ago when I was a child. I wonder how much (if anything) about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust is taught in school today.

My wife and a good friend are both teachers. They're encouraged to do whole units on the Holocaust, but they struggle with getting the kids to care. They're so disconnected from the event that they don't understand why it's important to study this one bad thing during WWII. Why can't we just read about WWII and get on with it? they wonder. I'm only 36, so WWII was a long time before me, but one of the most haunting memories I had as a child was when I was five years old on an airplane. One of the passengers across from us was reading a newspaper. It was warm in the plane, so he had his sleeves rolled up. I noticed he had these weird numbers tattooed on his forearm. I asked my mom why he had numbers on his arms. My mom looked over, and her face died. I remember her face. She shhed me because she didn't know what else to say.

I never forgot that. Whenever the Holocaust was brought up in school, I listened very very closely.

Then later I read about IBM's role in those numbers.

edit for linky

 

[BobbyLayne]

WWII wasn't such a long time ago when I was a child. I wonder how much (if anything) about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust is taught in school today.

My wife and a good friend are both teachers. They're encouraged to do whole units on the Holocaust, but they struggle with getting the kids to care. They're so disconnected from the event that they don't understand why it's important to study this one bad thing during WWII. Why can't we just read about WWII and get on with it? they wonder. I'm only 36, so WWII was a long time before me, but one of the most haunting memories I had as a child was when I was five years old on an airplane. One of the passengers across from us was reading a newspaper. It was warm in the plane, so he had his sleeves rolled up. I noticed he had these weird numbers tattooed on his forearm. I asked my mom why he had numbers on his arms. My mom looked over, and her face died. I remember her face. She shhed me because she didn't know what else to say.

I never forgot that. Whenever the Holocaust was brought up in school, I listened very very closely.

Then later I read about IBM's role in those numbers.

edit for linky

My son (from my first marriage) starts junior high in the fall, and he's got some introductory lessons about the Holocaust. Then again, the suburb he lives in averages about 6 synagogues for every church.

 

[wikkidpissah]

i'm in my mid 50s & my entire 9th grade history class was based on R&F3R. it may have been the last class i paid attention to (it as an early morning class - i was usually at the beach by noon).

 

[timschochet]

I get into arguments about this with my Jewish relatives all the time. We all know a LOT about the Holocaust, and they think that American children should as well. But though there is some complicity (as Flysack pointed out) the Holocaust did not take place in America. I would like American children to learn a little more American history. For instance, we had our own little shameful crime during World War II- the treatment of Japanese Americans. Not that this compares to the Holocaust, but it should be taught more than it is.

And I think that Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee by Dee Brown, which chronicles the treatment of the American Indians during the 19th century, should be required reading in all high schools.

 

[Orange Crush]

i'm in my mid 50s & my entire 9th grade history class was based on R&F3R. it may have been the last class i paid attention to (it as an early morning class - i was usually at the beach by noon).

What is that?

 

[AcerFC]

I teach 8th grade social studies in a suburb of NY where I would say that at least 40% of the school is Jewish (that may be a bit high, but it is over 30%)

I find it hard to take time devoting an entire unit to the holocaust. This is coming from a Jew who lost an entire side of my family in the holocaust. I have gone to Poland and visited many of the extermination camps and have pictures and knowledge, but I also dont want to come across as being someone who forces the kids to listen to my view only. It is difficult with most 8th graders toeing that line.

It is also unfortunate that I have to get them ready for an exam at the end of the year that has never had a question on the holocaust in the 9 years we have been giving it. So when it comes time to cut things short, that is one of the lessons. I used to spend a few days on it when I first started teaching and now its one day if that.

If I taught high school it would be much different

 

[BobbyLayne]

i'm in my mid 50s & my entire 9th grade history class was based on R&F3R. it may have been the last class i paid attention to (it as an early morning class - i was usually at the beach by noon).

What is that?

Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

 

[Zaxxon]

Celebrities List

1 - Princess Diana

2 - Pope John Paul II

3 - Elvis Presley

4 - Marilyn Monroe

5 - Michael Jackson

6 - David Beckham

7 - Madonna

8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis

9 - Audrey Hepburn

10 - Charlie Chaplin

11 - Barack Obama

12 - Lucille Ball

13 - King Tutankhamun

14 - John F. Kennedy

15 - Manfred von Richthofen

16 - Eva Peron

17 - Jackie Chan

18 - Hugh Hefner

19 - The Virgin Mary

20 - Anna Nicole Smith

 

[Mister CIA]

Celebrities List1 - Princess Diana2 - Pope John Paul II3 - Elvis Presley4 - Marilyn Monroe5 - Michael Jackson6 - David Beckham7 - Madonna8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis9 - Audrey Hepburn10 - Charlie Chaplin11 - Barack Obama12 - Lucille Ball13 - King Tutankhamun14 - John F. Kennedy15 - Manfred von Richthofen16 - Eva Peron17 - Jackie Chan18 - Hugh Hefner19 - The Virgin Mary20 - Anna Nicole Smith

Who is David Beckham?

 

[Thorn]

while i am refining points, there is another factor which should put Hitler over Stalin on the villain list - without him, Bin Laden & worldwide Islamic terrorism never happens. no WAY is there an Israel without the incredible level of world sympathy for the Jews created by the Holocaust & Muslim extremism never platforms without Israel.

That seems rather attenuated.

 

[Mario Kart]

Celebrities List1 - Princess Diana2 - Pope John Paul II3 - Elvis Presley4 - Marilyn Monroe5 - Michael Jackson6 - David Beckham7 - Madonna8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis9 - Audrey Hepburn10 - Charlie Chaplin11 - Barack Obama12 - Lucille Ball13 - King Tutankhamun14 - John F. Kennedy15 - Manfred von Richthofen16 - Eva Peron17 - Jackie Chan18 - Hugh Hefner19 - The Virgin Mary20 - Anna Nicole Smith

I would switch 11 & 12, but overall seems just fine. Historically I would put Ball higher but under current situations, this seems fine.

 

[Thorn]

Celebrities List1 - Princess Diana2 - Pope John Paul II3 - Elvis Presley4 - Marilyn Monroe5 - Michael Jackson6 - David Beckham7 - Madonna8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis9 - Audrey Hepburn10 - Charlie Chaplin11 - Barack Obama12 - Lucille Ball13 - King Tutankhamun14 - John F. Kennedy15 - Manfred von Richthofen16 - Eva Peron17 - Jackie Chan18 - Hugh Hefner19 - The Virgin Mary20 - Anna Nicole Smith

Sorry, you missed my edit. I picked Notorious BIG instead of JFK.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Celebrities List20 - Anna Nicole Smith

Huh.Apparently can size wasn't the criteria.

 

[Thorn]

Celebrities List1 - Princess Diana2 - Pope John Paul II3 - Elvis Presley4 - Marilyn Monroe5 - Michael Jackson6 - David Beckham7 - Madonna8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis9 - Audrey Hepburn10 - Charlie Chaplin11 - Barack Obama12 - Lucille Ball13 - King Tutankhamun14 - John F. Kennedy15 - Manfred von Richthofen16 - Eva Peron17 - Jackie Chan18 - Hugh Hefner19 - The Virgin Mary20 - Anna Nicole Smith

I would switch 11 & 12, but overall seems just fine. Historically I would put Ball higher but under current situations, this seems fine.

How come you always edit what you quote?

 

[wikkidpissah]

i'm in my mid 50s & my entire 9th grade history class was based on R&F3R. it may have been the last class i paid attention to (it as an early morning class - i was usually at the beach by noon).

What is that?

Shirer's book - Rise & Fall of the 3rd Reich

 

[thecatch]

anyone have links to where the judges posted their judging?I wanna get a head start on my ranking since I have some ideas of where/how I'm going to rank a number of the judges who have already given their rankings...Also, do you guys want me to rank those who judged two categories as one entry or two seperate entries? I'm leaning towards two, but input is always welcome...

No link, but pretty sure if you search for 'Mani', or 'Zoraster' (both top tens! WTG NCC!), that will take you to the Religious Figure rankings. I doubt there have been any FFA discussions on 'Praxitelas', so that keyword search will take you to artist/non-painter. Masaccio = painter, Nabokov = novelist, etc. You get the idea; for each category, keyword search of an obscure person drafted who likely generated no discussion should take you to the last time they were mentioned, the judges rankings.As for multiple category judges, seperate entires; there were instances where the quality of one category was inferior to the other.Now this might be asking for too much, but if you could incorporate capitalization, punctuation, and perhaps a few less ellipses - if it's possible - that would be very awesome.

lolI do know how to write in a more scholarly manner... I just choose to write like this on the message board because it feels more conversational...

One man's conversational is another man's nails on a chalkboard.

 

[Mario Kart]

Celebrities List1 - Princess Diana2 - Pope John Paul II3 - Elvis Presley4 - Marilyn Monroe5 - Michael Jackson6 - David Beckham7 - Madonna8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis9 - Audrey Hepburn10 - Charlie Chaplin11 - Barack Obama12 - Lucille Ball13 - King Tutankhamun14 - John F. Kennedy15 - Manfred von Richthofen16 - Eva Peron17 - Jackie Chan18 - Hugh Hefner19 - The Virgin Mary20 - Anna Nicole Smith

I would switch 11 & 12, but overall seems just fine. Historically I would put Ball higher but under current situations, this seems fine.

How come you always edit what you quote?

You mean make it smaller? Easier to read and does not take up as much room.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Celebrities List1 - Princess Diana2 - Pope John Paul II3 - Elvis Presley4 - Marilyn Monroe5 - Michael Jackson6 - David Beckham7 - Madonna8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis9 - Audrey Hepburn10 - Charlie Chaplin11 - Barack Obama12 - Lucille Ball13 - King Tutankhamun14 - John F. Kennedy15 - Manfred von Richthofen16 - Eva Peron17 - Jackie Chan18 - Hugh Hefner19 - The Virgin Mary20 - Anna Nicole Smith

seriously?The Virgin Mary is so well-known that the picture doesn't even have to look at all like her and everyone still knows who the picture is trying to depict!You see a woman with a baby in that style and assume its the Virgin Mary no matter what she looks like... and its been that way for 1000 years... That should mean something!

 

[Mario Kart]

seriously?The Virgin Mary is so well-known that the picture doesn't even have to look at all like her and everyone still knows who the picture is trying to depict!You see a woman with a baby in that style and assume its the Virgin Mary no matter what she looks like... and its been that way for 1000 years... That should mean something!

Here we go!!

 

[Orange Crush]

i'm in my mid 50s & my entire 9th grade history class was based on R&F3R. it may have been the last class i paid attention to (it as an early morning class - i was usually at the beach by noon).

What is that?

Shirer's book - Rise & Fall of the 3rd Reich

Sorry. I was guessing it was an abbreviation for some kind of teaching method.The entire class was on that one book? Wow. Did they even try to call it a world history class? Or was this an elective that was solely on Germany and WWII?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Celebrities List1 - Princess Diana2 - Pope John Paul II3 - Elvis Presley4 - Marilyn Monroe5 - Michael Jackson6 - David Beckham7 - Madonna8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis9 - Audrey Hepburn10 - Charlie Chaplin11 - Barack Obama12 - Lucille Ball13 - King Tutankhamun14 - John F. Kennedy15 - Manfred von Richthofen16 - Eva Peron17 - Jackie Chan18 - Hugh Hefner19 - The Virgin Mary20 - Anna Nicole Smith

seriously?The Virgin Mary is so well-known that the picture doesn't even have to look at all like her and everyone still knows who the picture is trying to depict!You see a woman with a baby in that style and assume its the Virgin Mary no matter what she looks like... and its been that way for 1000 years... That should mean something!

The judge of judges has spoken.You know, ya gotta love the juxtaposition there - Hef and Anna Nicole on either side of mother Mary.

 

[Thorn]

Celebrities List1 - Princess Diana2 - Pope John Paul II3 - Elvis Presley4 - Marilyn Monroe5 - Michael Jackson6 - David Beckham7 - Madonna8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis9 - Audrey Hepburn10 - Charlie Chaplin11 - Barack Obama12 - Lucille Ball13 - King Tutankhamun14 - John F. Kennedy15 - Manfred von Richthofen16 - Eva Peron17 - Jackie Chan18 - Hugh Hefner19 - The Virgin Mary20 - Anna Nicole Smith

I would switch 11 & 12, but overall seems just fine. Historically I would put Ball higher but under current situations, this seems fine.

How come you always edit what you quote?

You mean make it smaller? Easier to read and does not take up as much room.

That and deleting hard enters -- your Delta Tau name is Contrarian.

 

[Thorn]

i'm in my mid 50s & my entire 9th grade history class was based on R&F3R. it may have been the last class i paid attention to (it as an early morning class - i was usually at the beach by noon).

What is that?

Shirer's book - Rise & Fall of the 3rd Reich

Sorry. I was guessing it was an abbreviation for some kind of teaching method.The entire class was on that one book? Wow. Did they even try to call it a world history class? Or was this an elective that was solely on Germany and WWII?

SQ3RSurvey

Question

Read

Recite

Review

 

[Mario Kart]

That and deleting hard enters -- your Delta Tau name is Contrarian.

Sorry.

 

[Orange Crush]

I'm not seeing much (if any) discussion about the Composers rankings...should I just make them final as is?

No, you need to bump up Berlin to the middle of the pack.

 

[higgins]

What was the judging criteria for the celebs?

 

[Mario Kart]

seriously?The Virgin Mary is so well-known that the picture doesn't even have to look at all like her and everyone still knows who the picture is trying to depict!You see a woman with a baby in that style and assume its the Virgin Mary no matter what she looks like... and its been that way for 1000 years... That should mean something!

Here we go!!

Be fair, I'm sure you've had a piece of toast that had an image of the Virgin Mary when the sun hit it just right.

I thought it was Sara Stone.

 

[Thorn]

I think the Virgin Mary is one of those picks that you either buy into or you don't.

 

[BobbyLayne]

What was the judging criteria for the celebs?

I believe Zaxxon's stated criteria was "that they be well known".It may have been more succinct than that, but I do remember he stopped by to let us know.

 

[Thorn]

That and deleting hard enters -- your Delta Tau name is "Contrarian."

Sorry.

No worries. I don't get it, but no worries.

 

[larry_boy_44]

What was the judging criteria for the celebs?

I believe Zaxxon's stated criteria was "that they be well known".It may have been more succinct than that, but I do remember he stopped by to let us know.

Mary is more well known than anyone else on that list...

 

[wikkidpissah]

i'm in my mid 50s & my entire 9th grade history class was based on R&F3R. it may have been the last class i paid attention to (it as an early morning class - i was usually at the beach by noon).

What is that?

Shirer's book - Rise & Fall of the 3rd Reich

Sorry. I was guessing it was an abbreviation for some kind of teaching method.The entire class was on that one book? Wow. Did they even try to call it a world history class? Or was this an elective that was solely on Germany and WWII?

no, just plain history. bad urban school, dude. teacher thought it was the most important book ever written so he taught it, we liked talking about it & nobody was throwing desks so the curriculum people didnt interfere.

 

[thatguy]

Celebrities List1 - Princess Diana2 - Pope John Paul II3 - Elvis Presley4 - Marilyn Monroe5 - Michael Jackson6 - David Beckham7 - Madonna8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis9 - Audrey Hepburn10 - Charlie Chaplin11 - Barack Obama12 - Lucille Ball13 - King Tutankhamun14 - John F. Kennedy15 - Manfred von Richthofen16 - Eva Peron17 - Jackie Chan18 - Hugh Hefner19 - The Virgin Mary20 - Anna Nicole Smith

Eva Peron should be in the top 8.

 

[wikkidpissah]

What was the judging criteria for the celebs?

I believe Zaxxon's stated criteria was "that they be well known".It may have been more succinct than that, but I do remember he stopped by to let us know.

Mary is more well known than anyone else on that list...

Until I see her on Entertainment Tonight, I'm not buying this.

i heard TMZ had her coming out of Mister Choo's with JC Chasez

 

[mad sweeney]

Celebrities List1 - Princess Diana2 - Pope John Paul II3 - Elvis Presley4 - Marilyn Monroe5 - Michael Jackson6 - David Beckham7 - Madonna8 - Jackie Kennedy Onassis9 - Audrey Hepburn10 - Charlie Chaplin11 - Barack Obama12 - Lucille Ball13 - King Tutankhamun14 - John F. Kennedy15 - Manfred von Richthofen16 - Eva Peron17 - Jackie Chan18 - Hugh Hefner19 - The Virgin Mary20 - Anna Nicole Smith

Who is David Beckham?

No way Jacki Chan should be behind Tut (if you discount Mary as you properly did you must do the same to Tut), Beckham, or Richtofen. No way Mary isn't last. Terrible second half.