BobbyLayne
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SOD won a close one, 45-41 IIRC.
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Ozymandias
Footballguy
It must have been Sun Tzu that pushed him over the top.
krista4
Footballguy
It was the Alexandrian vote.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
TITTER OF THE MONTH nominee. "Titter of the Month" is a wholly-owned promotional feature of PissahcorpPLC - makers of CROWZAC and the halitosis-flavored oral hygiene lozenge Pissahbreath - and is not to be confused or conflated with any other chronological humor award.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Does this have anything to do with the fact that Krista won the boobies contest?
shining path
:prettyplease:
He's a bit like Stephen Jay Gould, whose reputation with the public far exceeds his reputation among his fellow scientists.
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
i thought Hoart Peterson won that.......and, the answer is no. PissahcorpPLC - makers of CROWZAC and the halitosis-flavored oral hygiene lozenge Pissahbreath - has been giving out the TITTER OF THE MONTH awards on internet forums for years and never was any sexual component suggested or intended, except perhaps in the humor of the nominated post.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Thorn
Footballguy
So top 12 have byes
Are we going in order of seed for the second round? I.e. the 1 seed Friday, 2 seed Saturday, etc.?
Doug B
Footballguy
No weekend voting -- #2 seed will be Monday the 27th.So top 12 have byesAre we going in order of seed for the second round? I.e. the 1 seed Friday, 2 seed Saturday, etc.?
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Exactly. Heaven forbid that we use unpaid time for voting. Just like Chicago, if we're going to vote, we want to get paid.No weekend voting -- #2 seed will be Monday the 27th.So top 12 have byesAre we going in order of seed for the second round? I.e. the 1 seed Friday, 2 seed Saturday, etc.?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
We really should only have polls on Tuesdays.
Championship matchup = August 18th.
Whatchathink?
Championship matchup = August 18th.
Whatchathink?
flysack
Footballguy
This was actually really funny.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
sorry about the judges judging... I'm still working on it... its harder than I thought (plus the fact is that I "know" the people I'm judging)...
add in the PC problems and the internet access issues...
and... well... yeah...
it'll be done, though...
add in the PC problems and the internet access issues...
and... well... yeah...
it'll be done, though...
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
extended version of the best commercial evahsorry about the judges judging... I'm still working on it... its harder than I thought (plus the fact is that I "know" the people I'm judging)...
add in the PC problems and the internet access issues...
and... well... yeah...
it'll be done, though...
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I'm about 50% done...
do you guys want me to go from 20-1 (I can start now then) or 1-20 (it'll be a little while)???
I prefer 20-1...
do you guys want me to go from 20-1 (I can start now then) or 1-20 (it'll be a little while)???
I prefer 20-1...
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
or would it be better if I post them starting between noon and 1 PM tomorrow in whatever order I want?
That way you all can actually be around when I do it...
That way you all can actually be around when I do it...
Frostillicus
Footballguy
How would Jack the Ripper have done as a Villain?
Doug B
Footballguy
Had him written down on my initial list, but it turned out that there were enough heavy hitters that no one really needed to dig down into serial-killer territory.
Fennis
Footballguy
jack tripper would have killed it in the rebel category.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
is there gonna be a 'nosy neighbor' category in the fiction draft?
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I don't know how he would've ranked either. The "romance" of his legend convolutes what he actually did too much. There's also the "did he actually exist" angle since his identity or singularity is unknown. Could he be a candidate for the fiction draft?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Either way...Ozy likes 1-20, the rest of the universe prefers 20-1.
Just. Do. It.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I think you should post 1 every other day at random. Starting Monday.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
you should post them simultaneously in several different FBG forums & threads in alternate IDs named after the characters in It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. first person to assemble them into one post in the WGD thread gets a copy of krista'a yearbook photo.mad sweeney said:
krista4
Footballguy
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Haven't seen that in a long time. Gotta put in the queue. One of the great ensemble contract cast flicks.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Either way...Ozy likes 1-20, the rest of the universe prefers 20-1.larry_boy_44 said:
If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. (HDT)larry_boy_44 said:
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Today I walked by the monument to Horatio Nelson, #9 (absolutely correct!).
Then I went to a concert at St Martin in the Fields, Chopin #11 (about right).
Before that, I saw prints by Picasso, #3 (overrated).
Then Britain's Greatest Painting (according to a recent poll), by someone who should have been on the list at about #15. The Fighting Temeraire, by J.M.W.Turner.
Following after that, paintings by Leonardo Da Vinci, #1. (Either #1 or #2) Saw his painting of The Virgin and Jesus with St. Anne and John the Baptist.
Then paintings by Rembrandt, #2 (either #2 or #1) Belshazzar's Feast.
Even had some thoughts go through my head like the infelicitous Molly Bloom, and thought how , just like Belshazzar, her overblown creator should have seen the words: Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin.
P.S. I guess I'll do something Wicked tonight.
Then I went to a concert at St Martin in the Fields, Chopin #11 (about right).
Before that, I saw prints by Picasso, #3 (overrated).
Then Britain's Greatest Painting (according to a recent poll), by someone who should have been on the list at about #15. The Fighting Temeraire, by J.M.W.Turner.
Following after that, paintings by Leonardo Da Vinci, #1. (Either #1 or #2) Saw his painting of The Virgin and Jesus with St. Anne and John the Baptist.
Then paintings by Rembrandt, #2 (either #2 or #1) Belshazzar's Feast.
Even had some thoughts go through my head like the infelicitous Molly Bloom, and thought how , just like Belshazzar, her overblown creator should have seen the words: Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin.
P.S. I guess I'll do something Wicked tonight.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Is lunchtime Friday the new Monday morning?
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
This is how I'm going to do this. For most of them i am going to write my thoughts, some of the rankings, however, aren't going to have thoughts, they were either good and didn't do anything "extraordinary" or whatever.
I'm also going to, for each judge, name at least one person that I think was ranked too high and who I think was ranked too low in their rankings and give a short explanation of why...
So here goes...
oh and I'm posting them one at a time... every couple minutes or so... :(
I'm also going to, for each judge, name at least one person that I think was ranked too high and who I think was ranked too low in their rankings and give a short explanation of why...
So here goes...
oh and I'm posting them one at a time... every couple minutes or so... :(
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larry_boy_44
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20. Celebrity - Zaxxon
he didn't really tell us what he was looking for, didn't seem to rank the category based on what he said that he was looking for, and seemingly had no logic behind his rankings. This was actually the easiest ranking on the list.
Too High: Jackie Kennedy Onassis, you can't rank her higher than JFK.
Anna Nicole Smith, yes, she is still ranked much too high at #20.
Too Low: The Virgin Mary, no we don't know what she actually looked like, but her image is still one of the most important and well-known in the history of the world.
he didn't really tell us what he was looking for, didn't seem to rank the category based on what he said that he was looking for, and seemingly had no logic behind his rankings. This was actually the easiest ranking on the list.
Too High: Jackie Kennedy Onassis, you can't rank her higher than JFK.
Anna Nicole Smith, yes, she is still ranked much too high at #20.
Too Low: The Virgin Mary, no we don't know what she actually looked like, but her image is still one of the most important and well-known in the history of the world.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
19. Athlete - Misfit Blondes
I actually feel bad that this category is ranked so low, but I can't justify moving it any higher. I do want to give misfit credit for taking a lot of flck from people about his rankings and both sticking with it as the judge and realizing how bad his first rankings were and fixing it.
He also has the only "too in the middle" ranking which goes to Bruce Lee. I agree with those who say Lee should have been first (or close to it) or last (or close to it). If you go by "athleticism", he should be at the top. If you go by "sporting greatness", he should be last because he never competed. To rank him 12th feels like an attempt at compromise, but it doesn't make logical sense outside of that attempt at compromise.
Too High: many "non-American" athletes, he tried too hard to account for the rest of the world and ended up over-valuing non-American sports. Although I am curious where he would have ranked Tony Hawk or some of the other "X-Games" guys...
Too Low: Tiger Woods, Babe Ruth, and Jesse Owens, these guys got ranked low, seemingly, solely because they are American and that makes no sense.
I actually feel bad that this category is ranked so low, but I can't justify moving it any higher. I do want to give misfit credit for taking a lot of flck from people about his rankings and both sticking with it as the judge and realizing how bad his first rankings were and fixing it.
He also has the only "too in the middle" ranking which goes to Bruce Lee. I agree with those who say Lee should have been first (or close to it) or last (or close to it). If you go by "athleticism", he should be at the top. If you go by "sporting greatness", he should be last because he never competed. To rank him 12th feels like an attempt at compromise, but it doesn't make logical sense outside of that attempt at compromise.
Too High: many "non-American" athletes, he tried too hard to account for the rest of the world and ended up over-valuing non-American sports. Although I am curious where he would have ranked Tony Hawk or some of the other "X-Games" guys...
Too Low: Tiger Woods, Babe Ruth, and Jesse Owens, these guys got ranked low, seemingly, solely because they are American and that makes no sense.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
18. Philosopher - Gigantomachia
His biggest downfall was the uneven ranking of some of the men of "questionable existence", which is seen in the "too high" and "too low" rankings.
Too High: Confucius
Too Low: Socrates, King Solomon
His biggest downfall was the uneven ranking of some of the men of "questionable existence", which is seen in the "too high" and "too low" rankings.
Too High: Confucius
Too Low: Socrates, King Solomon
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
17. Humanitarian/Saint/Martyr - BobbyLayne
He judged humanitarians way too highly and the saints/martyrs way too low. And, no, Mother Theresa doesn't count as a saint/martyr, she's a humanitarian. So 4 out of the top 5 (11 out of the top 12) were humanitarians while # 12, 15, 17, and 19 were all saints/martyrs.
Too High: Mother Theresa - she has a big name... Probably would have been better off as a celebrity and should not have been ranked so high. She did not affect the world nearly as much as pretty much every other person on this list.
Too Low: St. Francis of Assisi & Saint Peter, both of these picks should have been higher in order to show a balance between the three parts of this category. Instead the humanitarians got massively overrated and the saints/martyrs got underrated.
He judged humanitarians way too highly and the saints/martyrs way too low. And, no, Mother Theresa doesn't count as a saint/martyr, she's a humanitarian. So 4 out of the top 5 (11 out of the top 12) were humanitarians while # 12, 15, 17, and 19 were all saints/martyrs.
Too High: Mother Theresa - she has a big name... Probably would have been better off as a celebrity and should not have been ranked so high. She did not affect the world nearly as much as pretty much every other person on this list.
Too Low: St. Francis of Assisi & Saint Peter, both of these picks should have been higher in order to show a balance between the three parts of this category. Instead the humanitarians got massively overrated and the saints/martyrs got underrated.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
okay okay
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
16. Leaders - Flysack
This spot was made his essentially on two rankings.
Too High: Abraham Lincoln, I really don't see how he is that important outside of the US. We weren't the first to abolish slavery, and although keeping the US together is important, I just don't see how he's greater almost anyone behind him.
Too Low: Mao ZeDong, this ranking is the biggest joke of the draft. Period. You don't have to like him, but this wasn't about "who's policy do you agree with most", yet that's why flysack ranked him so low.
This spot was made his essentially on two rankings.
Too High: Abraham Lincoln, I really don't see how he is that important outside of the US. We weren't the first to abolish slavery, and although keeping the US together is important, I just don't see how he's greater almost anyone behind him.
Too Low: Mao ZeDong, this ranking is the biggest joke of the draft. Period. You don't have to like him, but this wasn't about "who's policy do you agree with most", yet that's why flysack ranked him so low.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
15. Artist (Non-Painter) - Arsenal of Doom
My biggest issue with these rankings is that the movie directors are way too high. 3 of the top 5 is simply absurd for one form of media to have.
Too High: Orson Welles, Akira Kurosawa, and Alfred Hitchcock, 2 of them should have been lower (with the other directors moving down as well).
Too Low: everyone below the directors, they all should have moved a few spots up (with a possible exception of the last 2 or 3 or so guys on the list).
Mikhail Barishnikov, I think he should have been more middle-of-the-pack.
My biggest issue with these rankings is that the movie directors are way too high. 3 of the top 5 is simply absurd for one form of media to have.
Too High: Orson Welles, Akira Kurosawa, and Alfred Hitchcock, 2 of them should have been lower (with the other directors moving down as well).
Too Low: everyone below the directors, they all should have moved a few spots up (with a possible exception of the last 2 or 3 or so guys on the list).
Mikhail Barishnikov, I think he should have been more middle-of-the-pack.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
14. Villain - The Real Hipster Doofus
Its our fault that there were too many Nazis and Commies drafted. Its TRHD's fault that they were ranked too high.
Too High: Heinrich Himmler, Josef Mengele, Osama Bin Ladin, Adolf Eichman, Slobadon Milosevic, Ho Chi Minh, Saddam Hussein, the 20th century was massively over-represented here and the rankings should have reflected that by ranking these men lower than they were ranked.
Too Low: Nero, the most ancient pick gets #20, a stunning example of the bias that we all showed all throughout this draft in this category.
Its our fault that there were too many Nazis and Commies drafted. Its TRHD's fault that they were ranked too high.
Too High: Heinrich Himmler, Josef Mengele, Osama Bin Ladin, Adolf Eichman, Slobadon Milosevic, Ho Chi Minh, Saddam Hussein, the 20th century was massively over-represented here and the rankings should have reflected that by ranking these men lower than they were ranked.
Too Low: Nero, the most ancient pick gets #20, a stunning example of the bias that we all showed all throughout this draft in this category.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
13. Performer - UncleHumana
I give Humana credit for sticking to his stated criteria. However, I am not convinced that his stated criteria actually was in agreement with the intention of the category. This is most obviously seen in the placement of the Beatles.
Too High: Frank Liszt, Jascha Heifetz, Enrico Caruso, Luciano Pavarotti, Art Tatum, & Yo Yo Ma, these musicians may be great, but to me they aren't the group that the category was intended for.
Too Low: U2, Elton John, The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Frank Zappa, The Beatles, whereas this list seems, to me, more in line with what the intention of the category was supposed to be about.
It seemed to me this category and the composer category were more about seperating classical and contemporary music than being stricly about writing and strictly about playing (and then making classical king in both categories). Maybe we would have been better off making a "contemporary/rock music" category and a "classical music" category.
I give Humana credit for sticking to his stated criteria. However, I am not convinced that his stated criteria actually was in agreement with the intention of the category. This is most obviously seen in the placement of the Beatles.
Too High: Frank Liszt, Jascha Heifetz, Enrico Caruso, Luciano Pavarotti, Art Tatum, & Yo Yo Ma, these musicians may be great, but to me they aren't the group that the category was intended for.
Too Low: U2, Elton John, The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Frank Zappa, The Beatles, whereas this list seems, to me, more in line with what the intention of the category was supposed to be about.
It seemed to me this category and the composer category were more about seperating classical and contemporary music than being stricly about writing and strictly about playing (and then making classical king in both categories). Maybe we would have been better off making a "contemporary/rock music" category and a "classical music" category.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
12. Intellectual - Yankeee23fan
The "Adam Smith Incident" notwithstanding, I think Yankee tended to favor his personal opinion of things a little too much. He also discounted men of antiquity (Justinian and Hammurabi) more than was warranted, in my opinion.
Too High: This isn't going to be for a specific person, rather it seems that the ideals and people whose ideas Yankee agree with all got ranked at the top, and the others below them. And maybe I'm wrong in reading it that way, but its how I took the rankings.
Too Low: Justinian and Hammurabi, even if they didn't technically create the documents they created, they are still known as the earliest lawgivers, Hammurabi especially (I remember learning about him in like 2nd and 3rd grade, no one else on this list except maybe Jefferson is learned about in 2nd grade).
The "Adam Smith Incident" notwithstanding, I think Yankee tended to favor his personal opinion of things a little too much. He also discounted men of antiquity (Justinian and Hammurabi) more than was warranted, in my opinion.
Too High: This isn't going to be for a specific person, rather it seems that the ideals and people whose ideas Yankee agree with all got ranked at the top, and the others below them. And maybe I'm wrong in reading it that way, but its how I took the rankings.
Too Low: Justinian and Hammurabi, even if they didn't technically create the documents they created, they are still known as the earliest lawgivers, Hammurabi especially (I remember learning about him in like 2nd and 3rd grade, no one else on this list except maybe Jefferson is learned about in 2nd grade).
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
11. Discoverer/Explorer - Orange Crush
Too High: Chistopher Columbus, Columbus is the most overrated man ever to live on the planet earth, and yes I'm even considering the athiest view of Jesus when I say that.
Too Low: Yuri Gargarin & Neil Armstrong, I think both of them should have been a couple spots higher. I just feel that as time goes further and further forward space exploration is going to become even more and more important to our history and what these men did will only become greater, while what the other men on this list did will become less important.
Too High: Chistopher Columbus, Columbus is the most overrated man ever to live on the planet earth, and yes I'm even considering the athiest view of Jesus when I say that.
Too Low: Yuri Gargarin & Neil Armstrong, I think both of them should have been a couple spots higher. I just feel that as time goes further and further forward space exploration is going to become even more and more important to our history and what these men did will only become greater, while what the other men on this list did will become less important.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
10. Artist (Painter) - Arsenal of Doom
Honestly, this is the category that i know the least about out of all of them.
Too High: Andy Warhol
Too Low: Salvador Dali
Honestly, this is the category that i know the least about out of all of them.
Too High: Andy Warhol
Too Low: Salvador Dali
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
9. Religious Figures - NCCommish
I think NCCommish gave this category a lot of thought, but at the same time maybe he thought about it too hard. While I agree with his standing on some things (Moses vs. Abraham from a secular viewpoint), others I just don't understand (Jesus as #2 from any viewpoint)
Too High: Joseph Smith, Zarathustra, & Mani, yes, they were innovators and creators, but I think there are some who are more important who could have and should have been higher.
Pope Gregory XIII, he made the calender, a non-religious thing. Yeah, he was a pope, but from a religious perspective, he isn't that important.
Too Low: Abraham, #3 is a little high, yeah, but he should be higher based upon the reverence he was given by Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.
Jesus of Nazareth, he should have been #1 and, really, is the only peson in this draft who could have been #1 in a large number of categories (in my opinion at least this one, humanitarian/saint/martyr, and rebel)
Gautama Buddha, another place I agree with NCCommish that Buddhism isn't purely a religion, however the Buddha is still more important than religiously than #19 (especially compared to some of the other categories on the list).
I think NCCommish gave this category a lot of thought, but at the same time maybe he thought about it too hard. While I agree with his standing on some things (Moses vs. Abraham from a secular viewpoint), others I just don't understand (Jesus as #2 from any viewpoint)
Too High: Joseph Smith, Zarathustra, & Mani, yes, they were innovators and creators, but I think there are some who are more important who could have and should have been higher.
Pope Gregory XIII, he made the calender, a non-religious thing. Yeah, he was a pope, but from a religious perspective, he isn't that important.
Too Low: Abraham, #3 is a little high, yeah, but he should be higher based upon the reverence he was given by Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.
Jesus of Nazareth, he should have been #1 and, really, is the only peson in this draft who could have been #1 in a large number of categories (in my opinion at least this one, humanitarian/saint/martyr, and rebel)
Gautama Buddha, another place I agree with NCCommish that Buddhism isn't purely a religion, however the Buddha is still more important than religiously than #19 (especially compared to some of the other categories on the list).
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
8. Wildcard - Timscochet
this was the hardest category. On one hand, it was by far the most difficult. On the other hand I really am not sure how good Tim really did with it. he seemed to show his own biases the most out of any of the judges, of course part of that was probably due to the immense scope of what he was asked to judge.
Too High: Edwin Hubble, I don't think he's the #1 scientist/inventor on the wildcard list.
Cardinal Richelieu, he should not get more points than King Louis XIII did.
Too Low: CS Lewis, we've all heard the arguments. I think Tim was wrong with this one by a lot.
Cleopatra, I think Tim completely discounted some categories in his wildcard rankings, and Cleopatra was hurt by it.
Nostradamus, see Cleopatra, he's too well known even today to give only 2 points to.
Shigeru Miyamoto, officially he didn't actually get ranked in the wildcard rankings as he isn't in the list in the 1st post of the thread. Seriously, though, maybe I'm looking too far forward, but I really think he'll be spoken of on level with Walt Disney in terms of the effect he had on the world through his creations/innovations/inspiration in video games.
this was the hardest category. On one hand, it was by far the most difficult. On the other hand I really am not sure how good Tim really did with it. he seemed to show his own biases the most out of any of the judges, of course part of that was probably due to the immense scope of what he was asked to judge.
Too High: Edwin Hubble, I don't think he's the #1 scientist/inventor on the wildcard list.
Cardinal Richelieu, he should not get more points than King Louis XIII did.
Too Low: CS Lewis, we've all heard the arguments. I think Tim was wrong with this one by a lot.
Cleopatra, I think Tim completely discounted some categories in his wildcard rankings, and Cleopatra was hurt by it.
Nostradamus, see Cleopatra, he's too well known even today to give only 2 points to.
Shigeru Miyamoto, officially he didn't actually get ranked in the wildcard rankings as he isn't in the list in the 1st post of the thread. Seriously, though, maybe I'm looking too far forward, but I really think he'll be spoken of on level with Walt Disney in terms of the effect he had on the world through his creations/innovations/inspiration in video games.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
7. Novelist/Short Stories - Flysack
Flysack gets a lot of credit from me for being up-front with the way he was looking at the category, explaining it well, justifying it well, and sticking to it. He, however, probably would have been ranked higher had he found a way to give more credit to "popular writing" or whatever we want to call it today instead of ranking literature so high and everything else so low.
Too High: The "lliterary" authors. Not all of them, mind you, I just think it would make more sense, make more people happy, and be more accurate if both popular authors and artistic writers of literature were represented at the top. Or better yet the master of both forms at the top with the "specialists" underneath them.
Too Low: J.R.R. Tolkien, you may not like Lord of the Rings, but what Tolkien did borders on complete insanity if you really sit and think about everything he put into those books.
Flysack gets a lot of credit from me for being up-front with the way he was looking at the category, explaining it well, justifying it well, and sticking to it. He, however, probably would have been ranked higher had he found a way to give more credit to "popular writing" or whatever we want to call it today instead of ranking literature so high and everything else so low.
Too High: The "lliterary" authors. Not all of them, mind you, I just think it would make more sense, make more people happy, and be more accurate if both popular authors and artistic writers of literature were represented at the top. Or better yet the master of both forms at the top with the "specialists" underneath them.
Too Low: J.R.R. Tolkien, you may not like Lord of the Rings, but what Tolkien did borders on complete insanity if you really sit and think about everything he put into those books.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
6. Composer - Misfit Blondes
Another category I don't know a lot about, however, there is always something to be said for no one whining.
Too High: I'm going to pass here. I really don't know enough here to begin to guess a too high.
Too Low: Irving Berlin, Andrew Lloyd Webber, and John Williams, it just feels like they got ranked so low because of how "new" they are, rather than whether thier work is good or bad.
Another category I don't know a lot about, however, there is always something to be said for no one whining.
Too High: I'm going to pass here. I really don't know enough here to begin to guess a too high.
Too Low: Irving Berlin, Andrew Lloyd Webber, and John Williams, it just feels like they got ranked so low because of how "new" they are, rather than whether thier work is good or bad.
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