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Art Shell, Oakland - 2006
Although he'll be almost impossible to beat, any other nominations?

Although he'll be almost impossible to beat, any other nominations?
+----------+--------- Offense --------------+-------- Defense --------------+----+| |- TOT --|--- Rush --|--- Pass --|- TOT--|--- Rush --|--- Pass --| OUT|| Year TM | PT Y A Y YA TD A Y YA TD | PT Y A Y YA TD A Y YA TD | OF|+----------+--------------------------------+-------------------------------+----+| 1984 min | 24 25 24 18 9 24 10 22 26 21 | 28 28 24 27 27 24 8 23 26 28 | 28 |+----------+--------------------------------+-------------------------------+----+
Steckel was BAD...but Rod Rust was worseLes Steckel - 1984 Minnesota Vikings
24th out of 28 rated offense
28th out of 28 rated defense
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Record or not, Kotite would Blow Herm Edwards away in an "Understanding FOOTBALL" quiz.Rich Kotite in 1996 (I believe it was then) 1-15...nice job.
At least Herm has figured out that "you play to win the game!"Record or not, Kotite would Blow Herm Edwards away in an "Understanding FOOTBALL" quiz.Rich Kotite in 1996 (I believe it was then) 1-15...nice job.
And this is a guy who I never really liked:1972 Philadelphia EaglesRecord: 2 - 11 - 1Head Coach: Ed Khayat Points scored: 145 (#26 of 26 in the NFL)Points allowed: 352 (#22 of 26 in the NFL)
1980 New York GiantsRecord: 4 - 12 - 0Head Coach: Ray Perkins Points scored: 249 (#26 of 28 in the NFL)Points allowed: 425 (#27 of 28 in the NFL)
Along similar lines, Bill Callahan did a pretty miserable job in '03 with the Raiders.Are we talking worst team, or worst coaching performance?
Because while far from the worst team, Ray Handley leading the defending NFL champs to an 8-8 record deserves some love.
8-8....i think he got ousted unfairly. B/c Mike Sherman was SOOO much better lolRay Rhodes with GB
I was thinking the same thing (both your question and about Handley). Coaching performance is just one part of a team's record. Rod Rust did a horrible job, but he had almost no talent on that squad. Handley was just clearly out of his league from day one with the Giants.ETA: Rod Rust was out of his league, too...I wasn't trying to say he did a good job. But which is worst, 1-15 the year after the Pats went 5-11 or 8-8 the year after the Giants won the SB?Are we talking worst team, or worst coaching performance?Because while far from the worst team, Ray Handley leading the defending NFL champs to an 8-8 record deserves some love.
Exactly what the title says. Worst coaching performance.As COlin pointed out, the Raiders had a good D last year. That was ALL Rob Ryan, however. Shell did nothing but piss players off with his "my way or the highway" attitude before he even had a chance to command/earn their respect, then stood on the sidelines with this expression -------->Are we talking worst team, or worst coaching performance?
That question was more rhetorical, since people keep citing god-awful teams that probably had no talent.I agree that Shell is probably #1. That was just hideous last season.Exactly what the title says. Worst coaching performance.
In all fairness, that team got really old really fast.And Rich Gannon, who was the NFL MVP the year prior, got hurt and only played in 7 games.Along similar lines, Bill Callahan did a pretty miserable job in '03 with the Raiders.Are we talking worst team, or worst coaching performance?
Because while far from the worst team, Ray Handley leading the defending NFL champs to an 8-8 record deserves some love.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=25...&type=storyYou were right about 22-year-olds (such as myself) having the good fortune to experience Art Shell's frozen demeanor for the first time. It was like poetry in non-motion every time a shot of him popped up. Aaron Brooks lobs another pass over Randy Moss for a would-be first down? Blank stare. Another false start penalty makes for another third-and-long? Blank stare. I couldn't believe it and I couldn't stop laughing. On a couple occasions I saw him "writing" stuff on a clipboard, but my guess is that he was scribbling orders down for whoever was making the McDonald's run. Then two hours and seventeen minutes into the broadcast, I actually saw him say three words to an assistant. I thought for a second he was trying to right the ship, until I realized what he was in fact saying was "Whopper with cheese."
This is a good one. Another fun fact about this team:George Seifert
2001 Carolina Panthers
Record 1-15-0
Rankings out of 31 teams
Offense Points Scored 29th
Offense Yards 31st
Defense Points Against 28th
Defense Yardage Against 31st
Overall rank: 31st
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Team was 7-9 in 2000 and 7-9 the following year after Seifert left. What do I win?
That's good coaching.In 12 of the 15 losses, Carolina had been leading or tied in the second half of the game, and on many occasions lost the game on the opponent's final offensive drive
Yeah, 8-8 with a ridiculous amount of talent.... yes, Sherman is better, much better. He doesn't have nearly as much to work with as Rhodes did and they played pretty well considering the pre-season projections before last season started.8-8....i think he got ousted unfairly. B/c Mike Sherman was SOOO much better lolRay Rhodes with GB
That team was average but far better than their results. I actually like Seifert, and obviously he is a good coach, but his heart was not in the game anymore. Essentially he retired mentally but still stood on the sidelines that year. They had a unique gift for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory which yielded a truly horriffic season.This is a good one. Another fun fact about this team:George Seifert
2001 Carolina Panthers
Record 1-15-0
Rankings out of 31 teams
Offense Points Scored 29th
Offense Yards 31st
Defense Points Against 28th
Defense Yardage Against 31st
Overall rank: 31st
Link
Team was 7-9 in 2000 and 7-9 the following year after Seifert left. What do I win?That's good coaching.In 12 of the 15 losses, Carolina had been leading or tied in the second half of the game, and on many occasions lost the game on the opponent's final offensive drive
Plus, history might show that Steve Young was a little better than Chris Weinke.That team was average but far better than their results. I actually like Seifert, and obviously he is a good coach, but his heart was not in the game anymore. Essentially he retired mentally but still stood on the sidelines that year. They had a unique gift for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory which yielded a truly horriffic season.This is a good one. Another fun fact about this team:George Seifert
2001 Carolina Panthers
Record 1-15-0
Rankings out of 31 teams
Offense Points Scored 29th
Offense Yards 31st
Defense Points Against 28th
Defense Yardage Against 31st
Overall rank: 31st
Link
Team was 7-9 in 2000 and 7-9 the following year after Seifert left. What do I win?That's good coaching.In 12 of the 15 losses, Carolina had been leading or tied in the second half of the game, and on many occasions lost the game on the opponent's final offensive drive
Holy cow...all of Steve Spurrier's year in Washington:X
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Oh yeah, Art Shell was horrible. He took a team that, in the last three seasons, had won 4, 5, and 4 games... and he only won 2 games with that obviously talented squad. Talk about underperforming. That Raiders team was a 4-win team at least! I mean, it's not like *ANYONE* was predicting before the season that Oakland would be the worst team in the league- it really came as a huge shock to everyone. And going winless in division games after posting a stellar 2-16 record against divisional foes over the last three seasons was a clear step backwards from a team that was obviously moving in the right direction.Come on, it's not like Art Shell is going to make the Hall of Fame based on the strength of last season, but Oakland as an entire team has been the biggest joke in the league for a couple of years now. Art Shell or no Art Shell, nobody was going to make that team anything other than awful. If Oakland were really such a great team, I guarantee you they wouldn't have been forced to hire a 32-year-old nobody with a superiority complex (have you seen how he wants to cut everyone over 32 just because they're over 32 and might challenge his authority?)Art Shell, Oakland - 2006Although he'll be almost impossible to beat, any other nominations?
oof, that was a rough year. the one win was over the cards IIRC, 13-10? Kotite went 3-13 the year before. 4 wins in two seasons!?!Rich Kotite in 1996 (I believe it was then) 1-15...nice job.
This is correct. The whole team despised him.Along similar lines, Bill Callahan did a pretty miserable job in '03 with the Raiders.Are we talking worst team, or worst coaching performance?
Because while far from the worst team, Ray Handley leading the defending NFL champs to an 8-8 record deserves some love.
I'm not well-versed in sarcasm detection.Is that what you were going for?Oh yeah, Art Shell was horrible. He took a team that, in the last three seasons, had won 4, 5, and 4 games... and he only won 2 games with that obviously talented squad. Talk about underperforming. That Raiders team was a 4-win team at least! I mean, it's not like *ANYONE* was predicting before the season that Oakland would be the worst team in the league- it really came as a huge shock to everyone. And going winless in division games after posting a stellar 2-16 record against divisional foes over the last three seasons was a clear step backwards from a team that was obviously moving in the right direction.Art Shell, Oakland - 2006 :(Although he'll be almost impossible to beat, any other nominations?
I wasn't really going for anything, I just think Shell isn't nearly as bad as everyone seems to think. He was clueless last year, true, but I definitely believe that most of his team's suck was a result of his innovative "Bed 'N Breakfast" offense. I also think that his first stint with the Raiders was one of the more underappreciated coaching jobs of the last 20 years. Get him some decent coordinators and I definitely think Shell would be an improvement over many of the coaches currently coaching (including Kiffin until further notice).RAIDERNATION said:I'm not well-versed in sarcasm detection.Is that what you were going for?SSOG said:Oh yeah, Art Shell was horrible. He took a team that, in the last three seasons, had won 4, 5, and 4 games... and he only won 2 games with that obviously talented squad. Talk about underperforming. That Raiders team was a 4-win team at least! I mean, it's not like *ANYONE* was predicting before the season that Oakland would be the worst team in the league- it really came as a huge shock to everyone. And going winless in division games after posting a stellar 2-16 record against divisional foes over the last three seasons was a clear step backwards from a team that was obviously moving in the right direction.Art Shell, Oakland - 2006Although he'll be almost impossible to beat, any other nominations?
Boy, this is aI wasn't really going for anything, I just think Shell isn't nearly as bad as everyone seems to think. He was clueless last year, true, but I definitely believe that most of his team's suck was a result of his innovative "Bed 'N Breakfast" offense. I also think that his first stint with the Raiders was one of the more underappreciated coaching jobs of the last 20 years. Get him some decent coordinators and I definitely think Shell would be an improvement over many of the coaches currently coaching (including Kiffin until further notice).RAIDERNATION said:I'm not well-versed in sarcasm detection.Is that what you were going for?SSOG said:Oh yeah, Art Shell was horrible. He took a team that, in the last three seasons, had won 4, 5, and 4 games... and he only won 2 games with that obviously talented squad. Talk about underperforming. That Raiders team was a 4-win team at least! I mean, it's not like *ANYONE* was predicting before the season that Oakland would be the worst team in the league- it really came as a huge shock to everyone. And going winless in division games after posting a stellar 2-16 record against divisional foes over the last three seasons was a clear step backwards from a team that was obviously moving in the right direction.Art Shell, Oakland - 2006Although he'll be almost impossible to beat, any other nominations?
Completely unfair. The NFL screwed expansion teams back then, and McKay had a cheap owner to deal with. The talent level on the '76 Bucs was so poor, I doubt any coach could have done anything with them.Three years later, McKay had the Bucs in the NFC Championship game. His system worked, he just needed to upgrade from terrible players to mediocre ones (and a couple of stars). Wow, I'm defending John McKay. I've officially turned into my parents.David Yudkin said:John McKay led the expansion Buccaneers to a tidy 0-14 record in the AFC West in 1976.Notable lowlights were ranking 28th (last) in points scored and 27th in points allowed with a 125 to 412 scoring differential. They were shut out 5 times but allowed 40+ points 4 times.The only thing that saved the Bucs from being even worse was the fact that the league also added the Seahawks and their defense was slighlty worse.The Bucs' 14 offensive TD were also nothing to sneeze at in terms of ineptitude. The team rushing leader had 521 yards and the #1 receiver racked up 390 yards.