Would Ronda Rousey kick your ###? (1 Viewer)

[NewlyRetired]

ESPN is reporting that Cyborg's camp now says she will fight at 135 in December.

"I don't negotiate in the media, nor do I disclose negotiations to the press," Prajin said. "What I can say, and the only reason I say this is because of what is going on between Tito and Dana -- I can confirm that I had multiple conversations with the UFC in the last week regarding Cris and a potential fight [against Rousey] in December.

"I can also confirm the end result of those conversations is that Cris is agreeable to fighting Ronda on Dec. 5 at Cowboys Stadium [at 135 pounds]."

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For those wondering why Ronda won't fight at a catch weight, it is not her choice. Again from ESPN

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/13402162/cris-cyborg-justino-willing-fight-ronda-rousey-135-pounds-december

UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta has stated numerous times the UFC would not book a fight between Rousey and Justino above 135 pounds -- and that Justino would have to prove she can make the 135-pound limit before fighting Rousey.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

ESPN is reporting that Cyborg's camp now says she will fight at 135 in December.

"I don't negotiate in the media, nor do I disclose negotiations to the press," Prajin said. "What I can say, and the only reason I say this is because of what is going on between Tito and Dana -- I can confirm that I had multiple conversations with the UFC in the last week regarding Cris and a potential fight [against Rousey] in December.

"I can also confirm the end result of those conversations is that Cris is agreeable to fighting Ronda on Dec. 5 at Cowboys Stadium [at 135 pounds]."

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For those wondering why Ronda won't fight at a catch weight, it is not her choice. Again from ESPN

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/13402162/cris-cyborg-justino-willing-fight-ronda-rousey-135-pounds-december

UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta has stated numerous times the UFC would not book a fight between Rousey and Justino above 135 pounds -- and that Justino would have to prove she can make the 135-pound limit before fighting Rousey.

again...if anyone thinks that cyborg will still weigh 135 fight night is delusional at best...she`ll gain another 10 pounds by fight time

 

[moleculo]

ESPN is reporting that Cyborg's camp now says she will fight at 135 in December.

"I don't negotiate in the media, nor do I disclose negotiations to the press," Prajin said. "What I can say, and the only reason I say this is because of what is going on between Tito and Dana -- I can confirm that I had multiple conversations with the UFC in the last week regarding Cris and a potential fight [against Rousey] in December.

"I can also confirm the end result of those conversations is that Cris is agreeable to fighting Ronda on Dec. 5 at Cowboys Stadium [at 135 pounds]."

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For those wondering why Ronda won't fight at a catch weight, it is not her choice. Again from ESPN

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/13402162/cris-cyborg-justino-willing-fight-ronda-rousey-135-pounds-december

UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta has stated numerous times the UFC would not book a fight between Rousey and Justino above 135 pounds -- and that Justino would have to prove she can make the 135-pound limit before fighting Rousey.

again...if anyone thinks that cyborg will still weigh 135 fight night is delusional at best...she`ll gain another 10 pounds by fight time

Same with Rousey, and pretty much any fighter ever.

 

[Mile High]

At what point is a dude big enough that her skills aren't sufficient to overcome the size differential? A foot taller and 100lbs heavier? 200lbs heavier? NFL center?

Ants are pound for pound way stronger than me and can lift 20x their own body weight but even a Ju-jitsu ant wouldn't last 4 seconds with me

Whatcha got?

At what point in basketball does height trump skill? Could a 7' guy who has never picked up a basketball before beat, say, Muggsey Boughes in a 1-on-1?

No

 

[matuski]

At what point is a dude big enough that her skills aren't sufficient to overcome the size differential? A foot taller and 100lbs heavier? 200lbs heavier? NFL center?

Ants are pound for pound way stronger than me and can lift 20x their own body weight but even a Ju-jitsu ant wouldn't last 4 seconds with me

Whatcha got?

At what point in basketball does height trump skill? Could a 7' guy who has never picked up a basketball before beat, say, Muggsey Boughes in a 1-on-1?

The point where size and strength and limited skills outweighs elite skills will be different for every individual against each individual... for some being bigger and stronger wont help (lack of athleticism/coordination), for others there is a point where it will win over.

 

[NewlyRetired]

ESPN is reporting that Cyborg's camp now says she will fight at 135 in December.

"I don't negotiate in the media, nor do I disclose negotiations to the press," Prajin said. "What I can say, and the only reason I say this is because of what is going on between Tito and Dana -- I can confirm that I had multiple conversations with the UFC in the last week regarding Cris and a potential fight [against Rousey] in December.

"I can also confirm the end result of those conversations is that Cris is agreeable to fighting Ronda on Dec. 5 at Cowboys Stadium [at 135 pounds]."

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For those wondering why Ronda won't fight at a catch weight, it is not her choice. Again from ESPN

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/13402162/cris-cyborg-justino-willing-fight-ronda-rousey-135-pounds-december

UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta has stated numerous times the UFC would not book a fight between Rousey and Justino above 135 pounds -- and that Justino would have to prove she can make the 135-pound limit before fighting Rousey.

again...if anyone thinks that cyborg will still weigh 135 fight night is delusional at best...she`ll gain another 10 pounds by fight time

Same with Rousey, and pretty much any fighter ever.

yeah, I don't understand Busted Knuckels point here. Both fighters will put on a bunch of weight after the weigh ins.

Look at Rousey's frame during a weigh in and what it looks like during a fight at 135.

http://i.imgur.com/LYzAj9n.jpg

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

ESPN is reporting that Cyborg's camp now says she will fight at 135 in December.

"I don't negotiate in the media, nor do I disclose negotiations to the press," Prajin said. "What I can say, and the only reason I say this is because of what is going on between Tito and Dana -- I can confirm that I had multiple conversations with the UFC in the last week regarding Cris and a potential fight [against Rousey] in December.

"I can also confirm the end result of those conversations is that Cris is agreeable to fighting Ronda on Dec. 5 at Cowboys Stadium [at 135 pounds]."

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For those wondering why Ronda won't fight at a catch weight, it is not her choice. Again from ESPN

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/13402162/cris-cyborg-justino-willing-fight-ronda-rousey-135-pounds-december

UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta has stated numerous times the UFC would not book a fight between Rousey and Justino above 135 pounds -- and that Justino would have to prove she can make the 135-pound limit before fighting Rousey.

again...if anyone thinks that cyborg will still weigh 135 fight night is delusional at best...she`ll gain another 10 pounds by fight time

Same with Rousey, and pretty much any fighter ever.

yeah, I don't understand Busted Knuckels point here. Both fighters will put on a bunch of weight after the weigh ins.

Look at Rousey's frame during a weigh in and what it looks like during a fight at 135.

http://i.imgur.com/LYzAj9n.jpg

She's retaining water.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

ESPN is reporting that Cyborg's camp now says she will fight at 135 in December.

"I don't negotiate in the media, nor do I disclose negotiations to the press," Prajin said. "What I can say, and the only reason I say this is because of what is going on between Tito and Dana -- I can confirm that I had multiple conversations with the UFC in the last week regarding Cris and a potential fight [against Rousey] in December.

"I can also confirm the end result of those conversations is that Cris is agreeable to fighting Ronda on Dec. 5 at Cowboys Stadium [at 135 pounds]."

===========================================================================================

For those wondering why Ronda won't fight at a catch weight, it is not her choice. Again from ESPN

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/13402162/cris-cyborg-justino-willing-fight-ronda-rousey-135-pounds-december

UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta has stated numerous times the UFC would not book a fight between Rousey and Justino above 135 pounds -- and that Justino would have to prove she can make the 135-pound limit before fighting Rousey.

again...if anyone thinks that cyborg will still weigh 135 fight night is delusional at best...she`ll gain another 10 pounds by fight time

Same with Rousey, and pretty much any fighter ever.

yeah, I don't understand Busted Knuckels point here. Both fighters will put on a bunch of weight after the weigh ins.

Look at Rousey's frame during a weigh in and what it looks like during a fight at 135.

http://i.imgur.com/LYzAj9n.jpg

my point is everyone gets so hung up on the weight for the fight...once they weigh in its irrelevant

 

[whiskey7]

I'd last longer with Mayweather.

NTTAWWT, how so?

In the time it takes Rousey to get you to the ground, Mayweather would have peppered your pumpkin a dozen times.

Mayweather is less aggressive than Rousey, more of a counter puncher. I think I actually have a chance if I can get the fight to the ground and I can pick my spots against Floyd. Rousey, I am probably not beating her on the ground and she is probably going to bring the fight to me anyway.

That may be his MO against other world class boxers whose abilities he respects. He might fight Joe Bagodonuts a little different, though, don't you think? In fact, he might be a little insulted Joe chose him instead of the chick and make a point by unloading a furious barrage of hard shots until Joe drops and/or dies.

It continues to amaze me the lack of respect Mayweather gets here on the basis he's just a boxer and has not been winning by KO as much as he used to. SMH...

 

[moleculo]

At what point is a dude big enough that her skills aren't sufficient to overcome the size differential? A foot taller and 100lbs heavier? 200lbs heavier? NFL center?

Ants are pound for pound way stronger than me and can lift 20x their own body weight but even a Ju-jitsu ant wouldn't last 4 seconds with me

Whatcha got?

At what point in basketball does height trump skill? Could a 7' guy who has never picked up a basketball before beat, say, Muggsey Boughes in a 1-on-1?

The point where size and strength and limited skills outweighs elite skills will be different for every individual against each individual... for some being bigger and stronger wont help (lack of athleticism/coordination), for others there is a point where it will win over.

I think people are seriously underestimating how much skill is involved in fighting.

One thing I've noticed is that EVERYONE comes into the gym with bad habits. There isn't a man alive who hasn't thrown a punch, at least in air looking into a mirror...guess what - you are doing it wrong. Everyone does it wrong until you have formal instruction. I don't care how many bar fights you have been in - unless you have had formal training, your technique is terrible. If you are leading with the proper foot, you are dropping your hands, you aren't transferring your weight into the punch, you are telegraphing like a mofo, you have no combos, you have no real concept of slipping or anchoring. Forget about tying in take down defense and the kicking game. And, even if you have some semblance of technique, that usually goes out the door when you get punched in the nose.

And that's just striking. Grappling - I don't believe I've ever seen someone come in and tap an experienced grappler on their first day, regardless of size. It just doesn't happen. I can speak only from my experience, but I've seen many guys come into our gym who are 100 lbs heavier and 6" taller than me...until they are a good 3-6 months in, they aren't much of a challenge. I'm no professional fighter either...I'm a 40 year old guy who sits at a desk all day.

ETA: there are guys who can come in off of the street and kick my ### striking, poor tech and all. I claim no proficiency with striking, in fact, I'm pretty terrible at it. But, I can wrestle and unless they were a collegiate level wrestler, I will get them to the ground.

 

[kutta]

At what point is a dude big enough that her skills aren't sufficient to overcome the size differential? A foot taller and 100lbs heavier? 200lbs heavier? NFL center?

Ants are pound for pound way stronger than me and can lift 20x their own body weight but even a Ju-jitsu ant wouldn't last 4 seconds with me

Whatcha got?

At what point in basketball does height trump skill? Could a 7' guy who has never picked up a basketball before beat, say, Muggsey Boughes in a 1-on-1?

The point where size and strength and limited skills outweighs elite skills will be different for every individual against each individual... for some being bigger and stronger wont help (lack of athleticism/coordination), for others there is a point where it will win over.

I think people are seriously underestimating how much skill is involved in fighting.One thing I've noticed is that EVERYONE comes into the gym with bad habits. There isn't a man alive who hasn't thrown a punch, at least in air looking into a mirror...guess what - you are doing it wrong. Everyone does it wrong until you have formal instruction. I don't care how many bar fights you have been in - unless you have had formal training, your technique is terrible. If you are leading with the proper foot, you are dropping your hands, you aren't transferring your weight into the punch, you are telegraphing like a mofo, you have no combos, you have no real concept of slipping or anchoring. Forget about tying in take down defense and the kicking game. And, even if you have some semblance of technique, that usually goes out the door when you get punched in the nose.

And that's just striking. Grappling - I don't believe I've ever seen someone come in and tap an experienced grappler on their first day, regardless of size. It just doesn't happen. I can speak only from my experience, but I've seen many guys come into our gym who are 100 lbs heavier and 6" taller than me...until they are a good 3-6 months in, they aren't much of a challenge. I'm no professional fighter either...I'm a 40 year old guy who sits at a desk all day.

ETA: there are guys who can come in off of the street and kick my ### striking, poor tech and all. I claim no proficiency with striking, in fact, I'm pretty terrible at it. But, I can wrestle and unless they were a collegiate level wrestler, I will get them to the ground.

So true. I'm 3 years into kick boxing training and still make mistakes. But there's no chance that a big strong guy with no training would come in and beat me boxing. Sure, they could get lucky. But it hasn't happened in about 2 years. Actually, I like sparring with the big strong muscle heads. They are usually slow and sloppy and it makes it easy. And I'm 49 and sit behind a desk all day.

 

[matuski]

At what point is a dude big enough that her skills aren't sufficient to overcome the size differential? A foot taller and 100lbs heavier? 200lbs heavier? NFL center?

Ants are pound for pound way stronger than me and can lift 20x their own body weight but even a Ju-jitsu ant wouldn't last 4 seconds with me

Whatcha got?

At what point in basketball does height trump skill? Could a 7' guy who has never picked up a basketball before beat, say, Muggsey Boughes in a 1-on-1?

The point where size and strength and limited skills outweighs elite skills will be different for every individual against each individual... for some being bigger and stronger wont help (lack of athleticism/coordination), for others there is a point where it will win over.

I think people are seriously underestimating how much skill is involved in fighting.

One thing I've noticed is that EVERYONE comes into the gym with bad habits. There isn't a man alive who hasn't thrown a punch, at least in air looking into a mirror...guess what - you are doing it wrong. Everyone does it wrong until you have formal instruction. I don't care how many bar fights you have been in - unless you have had formal training, your technique is terrible. If you are leading with the proper foot, you are dropping your hands, you aren't transferring your weight into the punch, you are telegraphing like a mofo, you have no combos, you have no real concept of slipping or anchoring. Forget about tying in take down defense and the kicking game. And, even if you have some semblance of technique, that usually goes out the door when you get punched in the nose.

And that's just striking. Grappling - I don't believe I've ever seen someone come in and tap an experienced grappler on their first day, regardless of size. It just doesn't happen. I can speak only from my experience, but I've seen many guys come into our gym who are 100 lbs heavier and 6" taller than me...until they are a good 3-6 months in, they aren't much of a challenge. I'm no professional fighter either...I'm a 40 year old guy who sits at a desk all day.

ETA: there are guys who can come in off of the street and kick my ### striking, poor tech and all. I claim no proficiency with striking, in fact, I'm pretty terrible at it. But, I can wrestle and unless they were a collegiate level wrestler, I will get them to the ground.

My dad was a black belt in Aikido, and boxed in college, and trained in submission.

I think you are seriously underestimating what others do or don't understand. You are also assuming someone in a fight is going to choose to wrestle with you, that someone is going to end up rolling with Rousey, in the past that they would try boxing with a featherweight.

She is a woman, she is flat out terrible standing up. These two things give an athletic and coordinated male with serious size and strength advantages good odds imo.

 

[moleculo]

At what point is a dude big enough that her skills aren't sufficient to overcome the size differential? A foot taller and 100lbs heavier? 200lbs heavier? NFL center?

Ants are pound for pound way stronger than me and can lift 20x their own body weight but even a Ju-jitsu ant wouldn't last 4 seconds with me

Whatcha got?

At what point in basketball does height trump skill? Could a 7' guy who has never picked up a basketball before beat, say, Muggsey Boughes in a 1-on-1?

The point where size and strength and limited skills outweighs elite skills will be different for every individual against each individual... for some being bigger and stronger wont help (lack of athleticism/coordination), for others there is a point where it will win over.

I think people are seriously underestimating how much skill is involved in fighting.One thing I've noticed is that EVERYONE comes into the gym with bad habits. There isn't a man alive who hasn't thrown a punch, at least in air looking into a mirror...guess what - you are doing it wrong. Everyone does it wrong until you have formal instruction. I don't care how many bar fights you have been in - unless you have had formal training, your technique is terrible. If you are leading with the proper foot, you are dropping your hands, you aren't transferring your weight into the punch, you are telegraphing like a mofo, you have no combos, you have no real concept of slipping or anchoring. Forget about tying in take down defense and the kicking game. And, even if you have some semblance of technique, that usually goes out the door when you get punched in the nose.

And that's just striking. Grappling - I don't believe I've ever seen someone come in and tap an experienced grappler on their first day, regardless of size. It just doesn't happen. I can speak only from my experience, but I've seen many guys come into our gym who are 100 lbs heavier and 6" taller than me...until they are a good 3-6 months in, they aren't much of a challenge. I'm no professional fighter either...I'm a 40 year old guy who sits at a desk all day.

ETA: there are guys who can come in off of the street and kick my ### striking, poor tech and all. I claim no proficiency with striking, in fact, I'm pretty terrible at it. But, I can wrestle and unless they were a collegiate level wrestler, I will get them to the ground.

My dad was a black belt in Aikido, and boxed in college, and trained in submission.

I think you are seriously underestimating what others do or don't understand. You are also assuming someone in a fight is going to choose to wrestle with you, that someone is going to end up rolling with Rousey, in the past that they would try boxing with a featherweight.

She is a woman, she is flat out terrible standing up. These two things give an athletic and coordinated male with serious size and strength advantages good odds imo.

Your dad knows what he is doing - not sure what I'm supposed to take from that. Would you agree he does not represent the vast majority of guys walking around?"Trained in submission" could mean a lot of things as well...we get quite a few ex-military guys come in, who learned some basic submission stuff...that puts them just a couple of weeks ahead of the game because they are at least familiar with positions, but they are still green.

To your third point - RR's striking is not great, I'll grant you that. My point is that the average man on the streets is much, much worse.

I'd also add that if I am sparring with someone that can't stop my takedown, he will get taken down regardless of his desire to wrestle or not. The handy part of being in a cage is you can only back up so far.

 

[matuski]

At what point is a dude big enough that her skills aren't sufficient to overcome the size differential? A foot taller and 100lbs heavier? 200lbs heavier? NFL center?

Ants are pound for pound way stronger than me and can lift 20x their own body weight but even a Ju-jitsu ant wouldn't last 4 seconds with me

Whatcha got?

At what point in basketball does height trump skill? Could a 7' guy who has never picked up a basketball before beat, say, Muggsey Boughes in a 1-on-1?

The point where size and strength and limited skills outweighs elite skills will be different for every individual against each individual... for some being bigger and stronger wont help (lack of athleticism/coordination), for others there is a point where it will win over.

I think people are seriously underestimating how much skill is involved in fighting.One thing I've noticed is that EVERYONE comes into the gym with bad habits. There isn't a man alive who hasn't thrown a punch, at least in air looking into a mirror...guess what - you are doing it wrong. Everyone does it wrong until you have formal instruction. I don't care how many bar fights you have been in - unless you have had formal training, your technique is terrible. If you are leading with the proper foot, you are dropping your hands, you aren't transferring your weight into the punch, you are telegraphing like a mofo, you have no combos, you have no real concept of slipping or anchoring. Forget about tying in take down defense and the kicking game. And, even if you have some semblance of technique, that usually goes out the door when you get punched in the nose.

And that's just striking. Grappling - I don't believe I've ever seen someone come in and tap an experienced grappler on their first day, regardless of size. It just doesn't happen. I can speak only from my experience, but I've seen many guys come into our gym who are 100 lbs heavier and 6" taller than me...until they are a good 3-6 months in, they aren't much of a challenge. I'm no professional fighter either...I'm a 40 year old guy who sits at a desk all day.

ETA: there are guys who can come in off of the street and kick my ### striking, poor tech and all. I claim no proficiency with striking, in fact, I'm pretty terrible at it. But, I can wrestle and unless they were a collegiate level wrestler, I will get them to the ground.

My dad was a black belt in Aikido, and boxed in college, and trained in submission.

I think you are seriously underestimating what others do or don't understand. You are also assuming someone in a fight is going to choose to wrestle with you, that someone is going to end up rolling with Rousey, in the past that they would try boxing with a featherweight.

She is a woman, she is flat out terrible standing up. These two things give an athletic and coordinated male with serious size and strength advantages good odds imo.

Your dad knows what he is doing - not sure what I'm supposed to take from that. Would you agree he does not represent the vast majority of guys walking around?"Trained in submission" could mean a lot of things as well...we get quite a few ex-military guys come in, who learned some basic submission stuff...that puts them just a couple of weeks ahead of the game because they are at least familiar with positions, but they are still green.

To your third point - RR's striking is not great, I'll grant you that. My point is that the average man on the streets is much, much worse.

I'd also add that if I am sparring with someone that can't stop my takedown, he will get taken down regardless of his desire to wrestle or not. The handy part of being in a cage is you can only back up so far.

I'm saying some of us aren't trying to be tough guys, but perhaps with what ability we have to handle ourselves - our size and strength covers the gap in skill versus a 135lb woman.

 

[moleculo]

At what point is a dude big enough that her skills aren't sufficient to overcome the size differential? A foot taller and 100lbs heavier? 200lbs heavier? NFL center?

Ants are pound for pound way stronger than me and can lift 20x their own body weight but even a Ju-jitsu ant wouldn't last 4 seconds with me

Whatcha got?

At what point in basketball does height trump skill? Could a 7' guy who has never picked up a basketball before beat, say, Muggsey Boughes in a 1-on-1?

The point where size and strength and limited skills outweighs elite skills will be different for every individual against each individual... for some being bigger and stronger wont help (lack of athleticism/coordination), for others there is a point where it will win over.

I think people are seriously underestimating how much skill is involved in fighting.One thing I've noticed is that EVERYONE comes into the gym with bad habits. There isn't a man alive who hasn't thrown a punch, at least in air looking into a mirror...guess what - you are doing it wrong. Everyone does it wrong until you have formal instruction. I don't care how many bar fights you have been in - unless you have had formal training, your technique is terrible. If you are leading with the proper foot, you are dropping your hands, you aren't transferring your weight into the punch, you are telegraphing like a mofo, you have no combos, you have no real concept of slipping or anchoring. Forget about tying in take down defense and the kicking game. And, even if you have some semblance of technique, that usually goes out the door when you get punched in the nose.

And that's just striking. Grappling - I don't believe I've ever seen someone come in and tap an experienced grappler on their first day, regardless of size. It just doesn't happen. I can speak only from my experience, but I've seen many guys come into our gym who are 100 lbs heavier and 6" taller than me...until they are a good 3-6 months in, they aren't much of a challenge. I'm no professional fighter either...I'm a 40 year old guy who sits at a desk all day.

ETA: there are guys who can come in off of the street and kick my ### striking, poor tech and all. I claim no proficiency with striking, in fact, I'm pretty terrible at it. But, I can wrestle and unless they were a collegiate level wrestler, I will get them to the ground.

My dad was a black belt in Aikido, and boxed in college, and trained in submission.

I think you are seriously underestimating what others do or don't understand. You are also assuming someone in a fight is going to choose to wrestle with you, that someone is going to end up rolling with Rousey, in the past that they would try boxing with a featherweight.

She is a woman, she is flat out terrible standing up. These two things give an athletic and coordinated male with serious size and strength advantages good odds imo.

Your dad knows what he is doing - not sure what I'm supposed to take from that. Would you agree he does not represent the vast majority of guys walking around?"Trained in submission" could mean a lot of things as well...we get quite a few ex-military guys come in, who learned some basic submission stuff...that puts them just a couple of weeks ahead of the game because they are at least familiar with positions, but they are still green.

To your third point - RR's striking is not great, I'll grant you that. My point is that the average man on the streets is much, much worse.

I'd also add that if I am sparring with someone that can't stop my takedown, he will get taken down regardless of his desire to wrestle or not. The handy part of being in a cage is you can only back up so far.

I'm saying some of us aren't trying to be tough guys, but perhaps with what ability we have to handle ourselves - our size and strength covers the gap in skill versus a 135lb woman.

An average vs average woman? Sure. An average man vs the toughest woman in the world? Not so sure.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

ESPN is reporting that Cyborg's camp now says she will fight at 135 in December.

"I don't negotiate in the media, nor do I disclose negotiations to the press," Prajin said. "What I can say, and the only reason I say this is because of what is going on between Tito and Dana -- I can confirm that I had multiple conversations with the UFC in the last week regarding Cris and a potential fight [against Rousey] in December.

"I can also confirm the end result of those conversations is that Cris is agreeable to fighting Ronda on Dec. 5 at Cowboys Stadium [at 135 pounds]."

===========================================================================================

For those wondering why Ronda won't fight at a catch weight, it is not her choice. Again from ESPN

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/13402162/cris-cyborg-justino-willing-fight-ronda-rousey-135-pounds-december

UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta has stated numerous times the UFC would not book a fight between Rousey and Justino above 135 pounds -- and that Justino would have to prove she can make the 135-pound limit before fighting Rousey.

lol lets see cyborg make that weight first. Im not that confident she will.

 

[matuski]

At what point is a dude big enough that her skills aren't sufficient to overcome the size differential? A foot taller and 100lbs heavier? 200lbs heavier? NFL center?

Ants are pound for pound way stronger than me and can lift 20x their own body weight but even a Ju-jitsu ant wouldn't last 4 seconds with me

Whatcha got?

At what point in basketball does height trump skill? Could a 7' guy who has never picked up a basketball before beat, say, Muggsey Boughes in a 1-on-1?

The point where size and strength and limited skills outweighs elite skills will be different for every individual against each individual... for some being bigger and stronger wont help (lack of athleticism/coordination), for others there is a point where it will win over.

I think people are seriously underestimating how much skill is involved in fighting.One thing I've noticed is that EVERYONE comes into the gym with bad habits. There isn't a man alive who hasn't thrown a punch, at least in air looking into a mirror...guess what - you are doing it wrong. Everyone does it wrong until you have formal instruction. I don't care how many bar fights you have been in - unless you have had formal training, your technique is terrible. If you are leading with the proper foot, you are dropping your hands, you aren't transferring your weight into the punch, you are telegraphing like a mofo, you have no combos, you have no real concept of slipping or anchoring. Forget about tying in take down defense and the kicking game. And, even if you have some semblance of technique, that usually goes out the door when you get punched in the nose.

And that's just striking. Grappling - I don't believe I've ever seen someone come in and tap an experienced grappler on their first day, regardless of size. It just doesn't happen. I can speak only from my experience, but I've seen many guys come into our gym who are 100 lbs heavier and 6" taller than me...until they are a good 3-6 months in, they aren't much of a challenge. I'm no professional fighter either...I'm a 40 year old guy who sits at a desk all day.

ETA: there are guys who can come in off of the street and kick my ### striking, poor tech and all. I claim no proficiency with striking, in fact, I'm pretty terrible at it. But, I can wrestle and unless they were a collegiate level wrestler, I will get them to the ground.

My dad was a black belt in Aikido, and boxed in college, and trained in submission.

I think you are seriously underestimating what others do or don't understand. You are also assuming someone in a fight is going to choose to wrestle with you, that someone is going to end up rolling with Rousey, in the past that they would try boxing with a featherweight.

She is a woman, she is flat out terrible standing up. These two things give an athletic and coordinated male with serious size and strength advantages good odds imo.

Your dad knows what he is doing - not sure what I'm supposed to take from that. Would you agree he does not represent the vast majority of guys walking around?"Trained in submission" could mean a lot of things as well...we get quite a few ex-military guys come in, who learned some basic submission stuff...that puts them just a couple of weeks ahead of the game because they are at least familiar with positions, but they are still green.

To your third point - RR's striking is not great, I'll grant you that. My point is that the average man on the streets is much, much worse.

I'd also add that if I am sparring with someone that can't stop my takedown, he will get taken down regardless of his desire to wrestle or not. The handy part of being in a cage is you can only back up so far.

I'm saying some of us aren't trying to be tough guys, but perhaps with what ability we have to handle ourselves - our size and strength covers the gap in skill versus a 135lb woman.

An average vs average woman? Sure. An average man vs the toughest woman in the world? Not so sure.

Seriously?

Where did average come into this?

 

[EYLive]

Cyborg world need to drop muscle plus water weight to get to 135 lbs. She can do it, but she'd be just a Zingano clone, no?

 

[the moops]

Seriously?

Where did average come into this?

You may be an above average athlete, but you have proven time and time again that you have a huge ego and appear to be dumb as rocks. So, taken as a whole, matuski = average

 

[matuski]

Seriously?

Where did average come into this?

You may be an above average athlete, but you have proven time and time again that you have a huge ego and appear to be dumb as rocks. So, taken as a whole, matuski = average

I was gifted in athletic ability and size by two college athlete parents, taught to handle myself by a dad who was expert in different forms of fighting. It is what it is, and me being confident and real in my size and abilities was never a matter of ego or bravado.

eta - the inability for people like you to resist the personal insults is top notch, insecurity shining through?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Seriously?

Where did average come into this?

You may be an above average athlete, but you have proven time and time again that you have a huge ego and appear to be dumb as rocks. So, taken as a whole, matuski = average

I was gifted in athletic ability and size by two college athlete parents, taught to handle myself by a dad who was expert in different forms of fighting.

I was born in the desert, raised in a lion's den

I was born in the desert, raised in a lion's den

And my number one occupation is stealing women from their men

Well, I'm a wanted man in Texas, busted jail and I'm gone for good.

Said, I'm a wanted man in Texas, busted jail and I'm gone for good.

Well, the sheriff couldn't catch me,

But his little girl sure wish she could.

Well now the doctor call me crazy, sometimes I am, sometimes I ain't,

Said now the doctor call me crazy, sometimes I am, sometimes I ain't,

Yes, and the preacher man call me sinner

But his little girl she call me saint.

 

[James Daulton]

I have to admit that when I opened this thread I expected pages of sexual innuendos and maybe a couple of posts saying a FBG could beat her. The current ratio of this thread simply will not do.

I'd let her get me in a full nelson #knowwhatimsayin#

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I have to admit that when I opened this thread I expected pages of sexual innuendos and maybe a couple of posts saying a FBG could beat her. The current ratio of this thread simply will not do.

I'd let her get me in a full nelson #knowwhatimsayin#

I`d rather be in a full Ronda

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Well since she put me down I 've been out doin' in my head
Come in late at night and in the mornin' I just lay in bed
Well, Rhonda you look so fine (look so fine)
And I know it wouldn't take much time
For you to help me Rhonda
Help me get her out of my heart

 

[UOFI_316]

Cyborg world need to drop muscle plus water weight to get to 135 lbs. She can do it, but she'd be just a Zingano clone, no?

She just needs to go on the Otis diet plan, she will be down to 135 in no time.

 

[Softballguy]

My dad was a black belt in Aikido, and boxed in college, and trained in submission.

I think you are seriously underestimating what others do or don't understand. You are also assuming someone in a fight is going to choose to wrestle with you, that someone is going to end up rolling with Rousey, in the past that they would try boxing with a featherweight.

She is a woman, she is flat out terrible standing up. These two things give an athletic and coordinated male with serious size and strength advantages good odds imo.

When I was in BJJ there was an Aikido class that occasionally worked out on the other side of the gym. I've never seen a sillier "martial art" than Aikido. It was 100% choreographed bs and did more harm than good to the students since it gave them a completely false sense of their abilities.

 

[matuski]

My dad was a black belt in Aikido, and boxed in college, and trained in submission.

I think you are seriously underestimating what others do or don't understand. You are also assuming someone in a fight is going to choose to wrestle with you, that someone is going to end up rolling with Rousey, in the past that they would try boxing with a featherweight.

She is a woman, she is flat out terrible standing up. These two things give an athletic and coordinated male with serious size and strength advantages good odds imo.

When I was in BJJ there was an Aikido class that occasionally worked out on the other side of the gym. I've never seen a sillier "martial art" than Aikido. It was 100% choreographed bs and did more harm than good to the students since it gave them a completely false sense of their abilities.

My martial art is better than yours!

His boxing success was probably silly and fake as well.

 

[Softballguy]

My dad was a black belt in Aikido, and boxed in college, and trained in submission.

I think you are seriously underestimating what others do or don't understand. You are also assuming someone in a fight is going to choose to wrestle with you, that someone is going to end up rolling with Rousey, in the past that they would try boxing with a featherweight.

She is a woman, she is flat out terrible standing up. These two things give an athletic and coordinated male with serious size and strength advantages good odds imo.

When I was in BJJ there was an Aikido class that occasionally worked out on the other side of the gym. I've never seen a sillier "martial art" than Aikido. It was 100% choreographed bs and did more harm than good to the students since it gave them a completely false sense of their abilities.

My martial art is better than yours!

His boxing success was probably silly and fake as well.

If you're attacked from behind while sitting on the ground, reach up, grab your attacker's arm, then pull it across your body and you'll flip him right on his back. It works every time, at least from what I could tell while they were training.

Glad your dad took up boxing and this mysterious submission training.

 

[matuski]

My dad was a black belt in Aikido, and boxed in college, and trained in submission.

I think you are seriously underestimating what others do or don't understand. You are also assuming someone in a fight is going to choose to wrestle with you, that someone is going to end up rolling with Rousey, in the past that they would try boxing with a featherweight.

She is a woman, she is flat out terrible standing up. These two things give an athletic and coordinated male with serious size and strength advantages good odds imo.

When I was in BJJ there was an Aikido class that occasionally worked out on the other side of the gym. I've never seen a sillier "martial art" than Aikido. It was 100% choreographed bs and did more harm than good to the students since it gave them a completely false sense of their abilities.

My martial art is better than yours!

His boxing success was probably silly and fake as well.

If you're attacked from behind while sitting on the ground, reach up, grab your attacker's arm, then pull it across your body and you'll flip him right on his back. It works every time, at least from what I could tell while they were training.

Glad your dad took up boxing and this mysterious submission training.

I guess "when you were in BJJ" you accomplished... ?

Doubling down on the my martial art is better than yours!

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

My dad was a black belt in Aikido, and boxed in college, and trained in submission.

I think you are seriously underestimating what others do or don't understand. You are also assuming someone in a fight is going to choose to wrestle with you, that someone is going to end up rolling with Rousey, in the past that they would try boxing with a featherweight.

She is a woman, she is flat out terrible standing up. These two things give an athletic and coordinated male with serious size and strength advantages good odds imo.

When I was in BJJ there was an Aikido class that occasionally worked out on the other side of the gym. I've never seen a sillier "martial art" than Aikido. It was 100% choreographed bs and did more harm than good to the students since it gave them a completely false sense of their abilities.

So Aikido was not for you, then.

 

[Softballguy]

My dad was a black belt in Aikido, and boxed in college, and trained in submission.

I think you are seriously underestimating what others do or don't understand. You are also assuming someone in a fight is going to choose to wrestle with you, that someone is going to end up rolling with Rousey, in the past that they would try boxing with a featherweight.

She is a woman, she is flat out terrible standing up. These two things give an athletic and coordinated male with serious size and strength advantages good odds imo.

When I was in BJJ there was an Aikido class that occasionally worked out on the other side of the gym. I've never seen a sillier "martial art" than Aikido. It was 100% choreographed bs and did more harm than good to the students since it gave them a completely false sense of their abilities.

My martial art is better than yours!

His boxing success was probably silly and fake as well.

If you're attacked from behind while sitting on the ground, reach up, grab your attacker's arm, then pull it across your body and you'll flip him right on his back. It works every time, at least from what I could tell while they were training.

Glad your dad took up boxing and this mysterious submission training.

I guess "when you were in BJJ" you accomplished... ?

Doubling down on the my martial art is better than yours!

Well, I did learn what it's like to go up against highly skilled fighters, which kept me from saying the goofy stuff you're saying here.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

BTW she is doing an AMA right now.

 

[chet]

Reddit AMA with RR happening NOW:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3gixri/rowdy_ronda_rousey_here_ama/

 

[matuski]

Reddit AMA with RR happening NOW:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3gixri/rowdy_ronda_rousey_here_ama/

Ronda here. My favorite Pokemon is Mew and I used to moderate a Pokemon forum. I'm an active player on WOW and a Mage named Randa on TaichiPanda – I’m on the 3rd Game Of Thrones book and will shank a ##### who tries to give #### away about the series cause you watched the show already.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Reddit AMA with RR happening NOW:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3gixri/rowdy_ronda_rousey_here_ama/

Do I think I would legit beat Mayweather in a ruleless fight? Floyd is one of the best boxers of all time. He would definitely beat me in a boxing match. I unfortunately don't get into "matches". I fight for a living. In a no rules fight, I believe I can beat anyone on this planet.

/thread

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

http://is.gd/HxbmLF

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Ronda Rousey takes on 3 guys on Japanese Game Show

sounds sexual(i wish) but its only judo

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

http://is.gd/HxbmLF

Way to stay current, guy.

 

[dparker713]

Reddit AMA with RR happening NOW:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3gixri/rowdy_ronda_rousey_here_ama/

Do I think I would legit beat Mayweather in a ruleless fight? Floyd is one of the best boxers of all time. He would definitely beat me in a boxing match. I unfortunately don't get into "matches". I fight for a living. In a no rules fight, I believe I can beat anyone on this planet.

/thread

MMA training >>>>> Firearms

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

http://is.gd/HxbmLF

Way to stay current, guy.

Current on what? 18 pages of matsuki and jayrod dickstroking? Yeah my bad, hoss

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

http://is.gd/HxbmLF

Way to stay current, guy.

Current on what? 18 pages of matsuki and jayrod dickstroking? Yeah my bad, hoss

Yeah, you have a point. Sorry.

 

[Zow]

Softballguy!

 

[chet]

http://is.gd/HxbmLF

Way to stay current, guy.

Current on what? 18 pages of matsuki and jayrod dickstroking? Yeah my bad, hoss

He's a pastor now. Easy

 

[Das Boot]

Just to lighten the mood while you all argue

http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ronda-rousey-at-the-tonight-show-with-jimmy-fallon-in-new-york-city-march-2015_1.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/M26CY4fhwEM/maxresdefault.jpg

http://17r1l63fshd52dy9yakdizhkog.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ronda-Rousey-Photo-Shoot-645x370.jpg

http://data.en.yibada.com/data/images/full/18984/ufc-190-ronda-rousey-reveals-it-is-the-most-pressure-she-has-been-under-before-title-fight-with-bethe-correia.jpg?w=685

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0q75MgqLFZw/0.jpg

http://www.fanmma.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ronda-Rousey-Buffalo-Pro-7.jpg

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/0c9109c71ea0524d9fe840f91fabd67bb94a26a9/r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/02/24/02-24-2013-ronda-rousey2-3_4.jpg

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/carmen-electra-ronda-rousey-1.jpg?w=1000

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/ronda-rousey.jpg?w=1000

http://www.rantsports.com/clubhouse/wp-content/slideshow/2014/01/hot-pictures-of-mma-star-ronda-rousey/medium/Ronda-Rousey-Pants.jpg

http://fabergear.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Ronda-Rousey-pink-panties.jpg

Best post in this whole damn thread.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

http://is.gd/HxbmLF

Way to stay current, guy.

Current on what? 18 pages of matsuki and jayrod dickstroking? Yeah my bad, hoss

He's a pastor now. Easy

Makes perfect sense. I always got the warming glow of christ's love from his posts.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

chet/sinn touched on it above, but expanding the quote from above about Mayweather, RR talks more about a potential Cyborg fight:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3gixri/rowdy_ronda_rousey_here_ama/ctykpp2

"Sincere opinion about Cyborg: she's just waiting to be offered enough money to get her ### kicked ('cuz she knowsshe'll get her ### kicked). I know for a fact she can make the weight. She consulted with Mike Dolce (my current nutritionist) before I ever started working with him and after consulting with her he said he could get her in "the best shape of her life" at 135. She then started being represented by Tito Ortiz and all talk stopped. The delay is all about money, not her weight. She made 145 pumped full of steroids. She can healthily make 135 without them. Her shows that she headlines lose thousands of dollars, and the majority of the tickets are given away because no one will buy them. She needs me. So pretty much we're waiting for her to realize that she needs to fight me before I retire or she'll never have enough money to retire. I would like me kicking her ### be my retirement fight but whether she steps up or not I'll walk away undefeated and happily ever after regardless."

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Reddit AMA with RR happening NOW:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3gixri/rowdy_ronda_rousey_here_ama/

Do I think I would legit beat Mayweather in a ruleless fight? Floyd is one of the best boxers of all time. He would definitely beat me in a boxing match. I unfortunately don't get into "matches". I fight for a living. In a no rules fight, I believe I can beat anyone on this planet*.

/thread

*Except matuski.

 

[moleculo]

Reddit AMA with RR happening NOW:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3gixri/rowdy_ronda_rousey_here_ama/

Do I think I would legit beat Mayweather in a ruleless fight? Floyd is one of the best boxers of all time. He would definitely beat me in a boxing match. I unfortunately don't get into "matches". I fight for a living. In a no rules fight, I believe I can beat anyone on this planet*.

/thread

*Except matuski.

come on now, it's not fair to single him out. Should read:

*Except anyone who's dad has a blackbelt in Aikido.

 

[Softballguy]

Reddit AMA with RR happening NOW:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3gixri/rowdy_ronda_rousey_here_ama/

Do I think I would legit beat Mayweather in a ruleless fight? Floyd is one of the best boxers of all time. He would definitely beat me in a boxing match. I unfortunately don't get into "matches". I fight for a living. In a no rules fight, I believe I can beat anyone on this planet*.

/thread

*Except matuski.

come on now, it's not fair to single him out. Should read:

*Except anyone who's dad has a blackbelt in Aikido.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So she thinks she can beat every male mma fighter as well regardless of weight class?