WR A.J. Brown, PHI (5 Viewers)

[Alex P Keaton]

Not happening tonight. Jalen won’t hold the ball long enough for this to happen.

 

[Alpha Dawgs]

Not happening tonight. Jalen won’t hold the ball long enough for this to happen.

I hope you're wrong I traded a 1/3 of my starting line up for him. Good thing I have Puka & Rice online next week though. Haha1

 

[Schmeabs]

Following the orange shoes tonight

 

[dkp993]

Dallas catching 5 of the 7 total completions. It's like Hurts is purposely saying **** you to the WR's after they spoke up.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Dallas catching 5 of the 7 total completions. It's like Hurts is purposely saying **** you to the WR's after they spoke up.

Yup. Hurts ain’t a leader. He’s a petty *****.

 

[Schmeabs]

Offensive coordinator sucks. He must have Goedart on his fantasy team

 

[GPS]

Well heck, second best game of the year and it ain't even halftime. May have to consider starting him again.

 

[Terpman22]

Man Dart is just running up the middle maybe keep that area covered

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

I’m just watching AJ Brown on TV but I track him and he never really seems to be hustling. Maybe that’s just me.

 

[Terpman22]

I’m just watching AJ Brown on TV but I track him and he never really seems to be hustling. Maybe that’s just me.

Probably would be 1st team All Pro instead of 2nd team All Pro these last 3 seasons only if he hustled…

 

[dkp993]

Well heck, second best game of the year and it ain't even halftime. May have to consider starting him again.

With a whole 5 catches for 70. 12 pts. Shows far more about how bad it’s been than anything else.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I just don't get why they don't give him a shot downfield anymore. The one time they threw to him downfield he was decently covered and he hauled it in anyway for 35 yards. Then since then it's only targets within 8 yards of the LoS.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I just don't get why they don't give him a shot downfield anymore. The one time they threw to him downfield he was decently covered and he hauled it in anyway for 35 yards. Then since then it's only targets within 8 yards of the LoS.

A) OC sucks
B) QB has no vision
C) QB is flexing on his WRs

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

I’m just watching AJ Brown on TV but I track him and he never really seems to be hustling. Maybe that’s just me.

Probably would be 1st team All Pro instead of 2nd team All Pro these last 3 seasons only if he hustled…

I’m talking about this year.

 

[travdogg]

That Hurts INT from the 15 really incapsulates a lot about the Eagles offense so far.

Hurts sees the 7-man blitz coming, but pre-snap decides that Dotson is the 1st look, for some reason. A 7-man blitz with 11 personnel, is always gonna leave the vacancy in the middle, because that's who is blitzing. So what's in the middle while Dotson is running an out route against man? AJ Brown WIDE OPEN running a post at the 2 which he almost certainly scores on. Or if you were REALLY panicked about getting it out, a little 5-yard hitch route to Goedert, because its 2nd and 10, and you could settle for that.

Now, AJ certainly made 0 effort to chase down the play after the INT, he basically just stood in the endzone dumbfounded, but I don't know, I feel like I'm seeing the same elite talent at WR, who is just getting more and more frustrated that he's not being treated as such, particularly on a play like that, where he should be read #1, and that should have been a gimme TD. That is what is leading to some questionable effort at times, but that seems easily fixable.

It sucks for fantasy, because Brown should be sitting on his 3rd straight 100+ yard and a TD game, but here we are. I certainly can't imagine Brian Flores seeing that on tape and not being extremely excited about the various blitz packages he can try next week.

I think Hurts generally is a good QB, but he's been too conservative this year, and also seems to be struggling to navigate the pocket (by his previous standards) and read defenses (which has never been his strength) and its clearly in his head. I think I'd be coaching him to be more aggressive, and to feel free to take off more. If that leads to more turnovers, so be it, the OL/defense aren't at the level right now where you can just win by not making mistakes.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

That Hurts INT from the 15 really incapsulates a lot about the Eagles offense so far.

Hurts sees the 7-man blitz coming, but pre-snap decides that Dotson is the 1st look, for some reason. A 7-man blitz with 11 personnel, is always gonna leave the vacancy in the middle, because that's who is blitzing. So what's in the middle while Dotson is running an out route against man? AJ Brown WIDE OPEN running a post at the 2 which he almost certainly scores on. Or if you were REALLY panicked about getting it out, a little 5-yard hitch route to Goedert, because its 2nd and 10, and you could settle for that.

Now, AJ certainly made 0 effort to chase down the play after the INT, he basically just stood in the endzone dumbfounded, but I don't know, I feel like I'm seeing the same elite talent at WR, who is just getting more and more frustrated that he's not being treated as such, particularly on a play like that, where he should be read #1, and that should have been a gimme TD. That is what is leading to some questionable effort at times, but that seems easily fixable.

It sucks for fantasy, because Brown should be sitting on his 3rd straight 100+ yard and a TD game, but here we are. I certainly can't imagine Brian Flores seeing that on tape and not being extremely excited about the various blitz packages he can try next week.

I think Hurts generally is a good QB, but he's been too conservative this year, and also seems to be struggling to navigate the pocket (by his previous standards) and read defenses (which has never been his strength) and its clearly in his head. I think I'd be coaching him to be more aggressive, and to feel free to take off more. If that leads to more turnovers, so be it, the OL/defense aren't at the level right now where you can just win by not making mistakes.

Yeah, this is the Eagles’s Offense in a nutshell this year. We don’t know how Jalen is coached, or if Dotson was maybe his 1st read, but that was downright horrible. AJ was college football open for a TD.

And, to top it off, the pass was exactly the one place he couldn’t put it: inside shoulder. With Dotson, a dude that is notorious for not fighting for the ball.

 

[FarFromHome]

I didn't watch the game. I box score surfed it. As a Brown owner, I was actually quite thrilled with his production. Kinda shows how bad the season has gone for him.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

Twilight zone…

https://x.com/EJSmith94/status/1976497373980631108

 

[steelwind]

That Hurts INT from the 15 really incapsulates a lot about the Eagles offense so far.

Hurts sees the 7-man blitz coming, but pre-snap decides that Dotson is the 1st look, for some reason. A 7-man blitz with 11 personnel, is always gonna leave the vacancy in the middle, because that's who is blitzing. So what's in the middle while Dotson is running an out route against man? AJ Brown WIDE OPEN running a post at the 2 which he almost certainly scores on. Or if you were REALLY panicked about getting it out, a little 5-yard hitch route to Goedert, because its 2nd and 10, and you could settle for that.

Now, AJ certainly made 0 effort to chase down the play after the INT, he basically just stood in the endzone dumbfounded, but I don't know, I feel like I'm seeing the same elite talent at WR, who is just getting more and more frustrated that he's not being treated as such, particularly on a play like that, where he should be read #1, and that should have been a gimme TD. That is what is leading to some questionable effort at times, but that seems easily fixable.

It sucks for fantasy, because Brown should be sitting on his 3rd straight 100+ yard and a TD game, but here we are. I certainly can't imagine Brian Flores seeing that on tape and not being extremely excited about the various blitz packages he can try next week.

I think Hurts generally is a good QB, but he's been too conservative this year, and also seems to be struggling to navigate the pocket (by his previous standards) and read defenses (which has never been his strength) and its clearly in his head. I think I'd be coaching him to be more aggressive, and to feel free to take off more. If that leads to more turnovers, so be it, the OL/defense aren't at the level right now where you can just win by not making mistakes.

I saw the replay last night and asked myself why was Dotson the first read there?
But Hurts staring down Dotson actually made the coverage shift over. AJB did his job, beat his defender and was open because of the shift.
If he just went through his progressions it was an easy TD to AJB.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Twilight zone…

https://x.com/EJSmith94/status/1976497373980631108

That’s… special.

 

[dkp993]

That Hurts INT from the 15 really incapsulates a lot about the Eagles offense so far.

Hurts sees the 7-man blitz coming, but pre-snap decides that Dotson is the 1st look, for some reason. A 7-man blitz with 11 personnel, is always gonna leave the vacancy in the middle, because that's who is blitzing. So what's in the middle while Dotson is running an out route against man? AJ Brown WIDE OPEN running a post at the 2 which he almost certainly scores on. Or if you were REALLY panicked about getting it out, a little 5-yard hitch route to Goedert, because its 2nd and 10, and you could settle for that.

Now, AJ certainly made 0 effort to chase down the play after the INT, he basically just stood in the endzone dumbfounded, but I don't know, I feel like I'm seeing the same elite talent at WR, who is just getting more and more frustrated that he's not being treated as such, particularly on a play like that, where he should be read #1, and that should have been a gimme TD. That is what is leading to some questionable effort at times, but that seems easily fixable.

It sucks for fantasy, because Brown should be sitting on his 3rd straight 100+ yard and a TD game, but here we are. I certainly can't imagine Brian Flores seeing that on tape and not being extremely excited about the various blitz packages he can try next week.

I think Hurts generally is a good QB, but he's been too conservative this year, and also seems to be struggling to navigate the pocket (by his previous standards) and read defenses (which has never been his strength) and its clearly in his head. I think I'd be coaching him to be more aggressive, and to feel free to take off more. If that leads to more turnovers, so be it, the OL/defense aren't at the level right now where you can just win by not making mistakes.

That gadget played touchdown to Dallas was also a massive slap in the face to AJB. He was singled up on the left with 3/4 of the field empty on his side and 1 man to beat. But instead of giving their all world wide receiver a chance they run some random gadget play. The message you’re sending to your guy when you do that is one of lack of trust. The score covered it up but had they not it’s a play everyone would be talking about.

 

[BlackCrowes]

That Hurts INT from the 15 really incapsulates a lot about the Eagles offense so far.

Hurts sees the 7-man blitz coming, but pre-snap decides that Dotson is the 1st look, for some reason. A 7-man blitz with 11 personnel, is always gonna leave the vacancy in the middle, because that's who is blitzing. So what's in the middle while Dotson is running an out route against man? AJ Brown WIDE OPEN running a post at the 2 which he almost certainly scores on. Or if you were REALLY panicked about getting it out, a little 5-yard hitch route to Goedert, because its 2nd and 10, and you could settle for that.

Now, AJ certainly made 0 effort to chase down the play after the INT, he basically just stood in the endzone dumbfounded, but I don't know, I feel like I'm seeing the same elite talent at WR, who is just getting more and more frustrated that he's not being treated as such, particularly on a play like that, where he should be read #1, and that should have been a gimme TD. That is what is leading to some questionable effort at times, but that seems easily fixable.

It sucks for fantasy, because Brown should be sitting on his 3rd straight 100+ yard and a TD game, but here we are. I certainly can't imagine Brian Flores seeing that on tape and not being extremely excited about the various blitz packages he can try next week.

I think Hurts generally is a good QB, but he's been too conservative this year, and also seems to be struggling to navigate the pocket (by his previous standards) and read defenses (which has never been his strength) and its clearly in his head. I think I'd be coaching him to be more aggressive, and to feel free to take off more. If that leads to more turnovers, so be it, the OL/defense aren't at the level right now where you can just win by not making mistakes.

That gadget played touchdown to Dallas was also a massive slap in the face to AJB. He was singled up on the left with 3/4 of the field empty on his side and 1 man to beat. But instead of giving their all world wide receiver a chance they run some random gadget play. The message you’re sending to your guy when you do that is one of lack of trust. The score covered it up but had the not it’s a play everyone would be talking about.

yeah that was weird. i'd have bet anything they would go to Brown on that.

 

[fightingillini]

That Hurts INT from the 15 really incapsulates a lot about the Eagles offense so far.

Hurts sees the 7-man blitz coming, but pre-snap decides that Dotson is the 1st look, for some reason. A 7-man blitz with 11 personnel, is always gonna leave the vacancy in the middle, because that's who is blitzing. So what's in the middle while Dotson is running an out route against man? AJ Brown WIDE OPEN running a post at the 2 which he almost certainly scores on. Or if you were REALLY panicked about getting it out, a little 5-yard hitch route to Goedert, because its 2nd and 10, and you could settle for that.

Now, AJ certainly made 0 effort to chase down the play after the INT, he basically just stood in the endzone dumbfounded, but I don't know, I feel like I'm seeing the same elite talent at WR, who is just getting more and more frustrated that he's not being treated as such, particularly on a play like that, where he should be read #1, and that should have been a gimme TD. That is what is leading to some questionable effort at times, but that seems easily fixable.

It sucks for fantasy, because Brown should be sitting on his 3rd straight 100+ yard and a TD game, but here we are. I certainly can't imagine Brian Flores seeing that on tape and not being extremely excited about the various blitz packages he can try next week.

I think Hurts generally is a good QB, but he's been too conservative this year, and also seems to be struggling to navigate the pocket (by his previous standards) and read defenses (which has never been his strength) and its clearly in his head. I think I'd be coaching him to be more aggressive, and to feel free to take off more. If that leads to more turnovers, so be it, the OL/defense aren't at the level right now where you can just win by not making mistakes.

Shows that Hurts isn't a really good NFL QB. He doesn't read the defenses as good as other elite QBs. Correct, that ball needed to go to Brown for an easy score.

 

[confusedinflorida]

That Hurts INT from the 15 really incapsulates a lot about the Eagles offense so far.

Hurts sees the 7-man blitz coming, but pre-snap decides that Dotson is the 1st look, for some reason. A 7-man blitz with 11 personnel, is always gonna leave the vacancy in the middle, because that's who is blitzing. So what's in the middle while Dotson is running an out route against man? AJ Brown WIDE OPEN running a post at the 2 which he almost certainly scores on. Or if you were REALLY panicked about getting it out, a little 5-yard hitch route to Goedert, because its 2nd and 10, and you could settle for that.

Now, AJ certainly made 0 effort to chase down the play after the INT, he basically just stood in the endzone dumbfounded, but I don't know, I feel like I'm seeing the same elite talent at WR, who is just getting more and more frustrated that he's not being treated as such, particularly on a play like that, where he should be read #1, and that should have been a gimme TD. That is what is leading to some questionable effort at times, but that seems easily fixable.

It sucks for fantasy, because Brown should be sitting on his 3rd straight 100+ yard and a TD game, but here we are. I certainly can't imagine Brian Flores seeing that on tape and not being extremely excited about the various blitz packages he can try next week.

I think Hurts generally is a good QB, but he's been too conservative this year, and also seems to be struggling to navigate the pocket (by his previous standards) and read defenses (which has never been his strength) and its clearly in his head. I think I'd be coaching him to be more aggressive, and to feel free to take off more. If that leads to more turnovers, so be it, the OL/defense aren't at the level right now where you can just win by not making mistakes.

That gadget played touchdown to Dallas was also a massive slap in the face to AJB. He was singled up on the left with 3/4 of the field empty on his side and 1 man to beat. But instead of giving their all world wide receiver a chance they run some random gadget play. The message you’re sending to your guy when you do that is one of lack of trust. The score covered it up but had they not it’s a play everyone would be talking about.

100% agree on the Goedert TD. When I saw AJB singled with over half of the field to work with I fully expected the ball to go there.
How can you not go to your alpha with a setup like that??

Did anyone notice Sirianni and Patullo (I think) celebrating after the Goedert TD like they were the smartest people in the world?

Makes me think of a blackjack analogy, you can hit on 18 and draw a three for 21. But it doesn't mean it was the right or smart thing to do.

 

[travdogg]

That Hurts INT from the 15 really incapsulates a lot about the Eagles offense so far.

Hurts sees the 7-man blitz coming, but pre-snap decides that Dotson is the 1st look, for some reason. A 7-man blitz with 11 personnel, is always gonna leave the vacancy in the middle, because that's who is blitzing. So what's in the middle while Dotson is running an out route against man? AJ Brown WIDE OPEN running a post at the 2 which he almost certainly scores on. Or if you were REALLY panicked about getting it out, a little 5-yard hitch route to Goedert, because its 2nd and 10, and you could settle for that.

Now, AJ certainly made 0 effort to chase down the play after the INT, he basically just stood in the endzone dumbfounded, but I don't know, I feel like I'm seeing the same elite talent at WR, who is just getting more and more frustrated that he's not being treated as such, particularly on a play like that, where he should be read #1, and that should have been a gimme TD. That is what is leading to some questionable effort at times, but that seems easily fixable.

It sucks for fantasy, because Brown should be sitting on his 3rd straight 100+ yard and a TD game, but here we are. I certainly can't imagine Brian Flores seeing that on tape and not being extremely excited about the various blitz packages he can try next week.

I think Hurts generally is a good QB, but he's been too conservative this year, and also seems to be struggling to navigate the pocket (by his previous standards) and read defenses (which has never been his strength) and its clearly in his head. I think I'd be coaching him to be more aggressive, and to feel free to take off more. If that leads to more turnovers, so be it, the OL/defense aren't at the level right now where you can just win by not making mistakes.

Shows that Hurts isn't a really good NFL QB. He doesn't read the defenses as good as other elite QBs. Correct, that ball needed to go to Brown for an easy score.

I think Hurts is a good QB, but he's certainly not an elite QB. Honestly, there are probably only 3 elite QBs (Allen, Jackson, and Mahomes)

 

[FreeBaGeL]

That Hurts INT from the 15 really incapsulates a lot about the Eagles offense so far.

Hurts sees the 7-man blitz coming, but pre-snap decides that Dotson is the 1st look, for some reason. A 7-man blitz with 11 personnel, is always gonna leave the vacancy in the middle, because that's who is blitzing. So what's in the middle while Dotson is running an out route against man? AJ Brown WIDE OPEN running a post at the 2 which he almost certainly scores on. Or if you were REALLY panicked about getting it out, a little 5-yard hitch route to Goedert, because its 2nd and 10, and you could settle for that.

Now, AJ certainly made 0 effort to chase down the play after the INT, he basically just stood in the endzone dumbfounded, but I don't know, I feel like I'm seeing the same elite talent at WR, who is just getting more and more frustrated that he's not being treated as such, particularly on a play like that, where he should be read #1, and that should have been a gimme TD. That is what is leading to some questionable effort at times, but that seems easily fixable.

It sucks for fantasy, because Brown should be sitting on his 3rd straight 100+ yard and a TD game, but here we are. I certainly can't imagine Brian Flores seeing that on tape and not being extremely excited about the various blitz packages he can try next week.

I think Hurts generally is a good QB, but he's been too conservative this year, and also seems to be struggling to navigate the pocket (by his previous standards) and read defenses (which has never been his strength) and its clearly in his head. I think I'd be coaching him to be more aggressive, and to feel free to take off more. If that leads to more turnovers, so be it, the OL/defense aren't at the level right now where you can just win by not making mistakes.

That gadget played touchdown to Dallas was also a massive slap in the face to AJB. He was singled up on the left with 3/4 of the field empty on his side and 1 man to beat. But instead of giving their all world wide receiver a chance they run some random gadget play. The message you’re sending to your guy when you do that is one of lack of trust. The score covered it up but had they not it’s a play everyone would be talking about.

100% agree on the Goedert TD. When I saw AJB singled with over half of the field to work with I fully expected the ball to go there.
How can you not go to your alpha with a setup like that??

Did anyone notice Sirianni and Patullo (I think) celebrating after the Goedert TD like they were the smartest people in the world?

Makes me think of a blackjack analogy, you can hit on 18 and draw a three for 21. But it doesn't mean it was the right or smart thing to do.

I'm as frustrated with AJB's usage and production as anyone, but I don't agree with this take at all.

They had a pretty decent gadget play set up and it worked. You typically don't hot route out of gadget plays, especially if you have the look you want to run the play (IE if they liked the defensive set as drawn up for Goedert, there is no sense audibling just because the defensive set is also good on the other side of the field).

As to the "slap in the face" part, I really hate this kind of thing being brought up in football. AJB is a grown *** man being paid $100M. He doesn't need to be coddled. He should certainly be able to live with coaches drawing up a play for someone else inside the 5.

It's not even like AJB has been some kind of efficiency monster this year. He did get another target inside the 5 and he fell over while trying to push off and then just kind of laid on the ground like it was funny. Even in his best days he was never really a high production touchdown guy anyway.

Here's an interesting stat. AJB actually has 8+ targets in 5 straight games. He only had 8+ targets 5 times ALL OF LAST YEAR.

The problem this year is just the O-line. Same story as it often is in FF, the most overlooked thing. He's getting the targets, they just don't have time to throw for those targets to be downfield this year like they've been in years past. It's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing. If they run him downfield Hurts has to get the ball out quickly to someone underneath and then everyone complains that he's not getting the ball. If they keep him short so he can still be involved in the play with Hurts getting the ball out quickly then everyone complains that the targets are too short.

But the gadget play? C'mon, that's reaching. Teams run gadget plays sometimes. I'm pretty sure if we got fantasy points during the SB the Alshon Jeffrey thread would have been full of people complaining about the Philly Special against the Patriots years ago.

 

[dkp993]

That Hurts INT from the 15 really incapsulates a lot about the Eagles offense so far.

Hurts sees the 7-man blitz coming, but pre-snap decides that Dotson is the 1st look, for some reason. A 7-man blitz with 11 personnel, is always gonna leave the vacancy in the middle, because that's who is blitzing. So what's in the middle while Dotson is running an out route against man? AJ Brown WIDE OPEN running a post at the 2 which he almost certainly scores on. Or if you were REALLY panicked about getting it out, a little 5-yard hitch route to Goedert, because its 2nd and 10, and you could settle for that.

Now, AJ certainly made 0 effort to chase down the play after the INT, he basically just stood in the endzone dumbfounded, but I don't know, I feel like I'm seeing the same elite talent at WR, who is just getting more and more frustrated that he's not being treated as such, particularly on a play like that, where he should be read #1, and that should have been a gimme TD. That is what is leading to some questionable effort at times, but that seems easily fixable.

It sucks for fantasy, because Brown should be sitting on his 3rd straight 100+ yard and a TD game, but here we are. I certainly can't imagine Brian Flores seeing that on tape and not being extremely excited about the various blitz packages he can try next week.

I think Hurts generally is a good QB, but he's been too conservative this year, and also seems to be struggling to navigate the pocket (by his previous standards) and read defenses (which has never been his strength) and its clearly in his head. I think I'd be coaching him to be more aggressive, and to feel free to take off more. If that leads to more turnovers, so be it, the OL/defense aren't at the level right now where you can just win by not making mistakes.

That gadget played touchdown to Dallas was also a massive slap in the face to AJB. He was singled up on the left with 3/4 of the field empty on his side and 1 man to beat. But instead of giving their all world wide receiver a chance they run some random gadget play. The message you’re sending to your guy when you do that is one of lack of trust. The score covered it up but had they not it’s a play everyone would be talking about.

100% agree on the Goedert TD. When I saw AJB singled with over half of the field to work with I fully expected the ball to go there.
How can you not go to your alpha with a setup like that??

Did anyone notice Sirianni and Patullo (I think) celebrating after the Goedert TD like they were the smartest people in the world?

Makes me think of a blackjack analogy, you can hit on 18 and draw a three for 21. But it doesn't mean it was the right or smart thing to do.

I'm as frustrated with AJB's usage and production as anyone, but I don't agree with this take at all.

They had a pretty decent gadget play set up and it worked. You typically don't hot route out of gadget plays, especially if you have the look you want to run the play (IE if they liked the defensive set as drawn up for Goedert, there is no sense audibling just because the defensive set is also good on the other side of the field).

As to the "slap in the face" part, I really hate this kind of thing being brought up in football. AJB is a grown *** man being paid $100M. He doesn't need to be coddled. He should certainly be able to live with coaches drawing up a play for someone else inside the 5.

It's not even like AJB has been some kind of efficiency monster this year. He did get another target inside the 5 and he fell over while trying to push off and then just kind of laid on the ground like it was funny. Even in his best days he was never really a high production touchdown guy anyway.

Here's an interesting stat. AJB actually has 8+ targets in 5 straight games. He only had 8+ targets 5 times ALL OF LAST YEAR.

The problem this year is just the O-line. Same story as it often is in FF, the most overlooked thing. He's getting the targets, they just don't have time to throw for those targets to be downfield this year like they've been in years past. It's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing. If they run him downfield Hurts has to get the ball out quickly to someone underneath and then everyone complains that he's not getting the ball. If they keep him short so he can still be involved in the play with Hurts getting the ball out quickly then everyone complains that the targets are too short.

But the gadget play? C'mon, that's reaching. Teams run gadget plays sometimes. I'm pretty sure if we got fantasy points during the SB the Alshon Jeffrey thread would have been full of people complaining about the Philly Special against the Patriots years ago.

Lots to address here that I don’t have time right now to fully do. But context is my quick answer.

Context of that play and the current status of the passing game. An easy TD to your highly underutilized Alpha WR goes along way. Instead you opt not too.

The target thing has been addressed upstream. The box score does not equal what’s actually happening on the field. Ie 9 target game that was realistically a 4 target game. Context

100mil dollar grown man point. Well why the hell are you paying him 100mil if you aren’t going to use him according. This has NOTHING to do with AJB’s feelings.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

That Hurts INT from the 15 really incapsulates a lot about the Eagles offense so far.

Hurts sees the 7-man blitz coming, but pre-snap decides that Dotson is the 1st look, for some reason. A 7-man blitz with 11 personnel, is always gonna leave the vacancy in the middle, because that's who is blitzing. So what's in the middle while Dotson is running an out route against man? AJ Brown WIDE OPEN running a post at the 2 which he almost certainly scores on. Or if you were REALLY panicked about getting it out, a little 5-yard hitch route to Goedert, because its 2nd and 10, and you could settle for that.

Now, AJ certainly made 0 effort to chase down the play after the INT, he basically just stood in the endzone dumbfounded, but I don't know, I feel like I'm seeing the same elite talent at WR, who is just getting more and more frustrated that he's not being treated as such, particularly on a play like that, where he should be read #1, and that should have been a gimme TD. That is what is leading to some questionable effort at times, but that seems easily fixable.

It sucks for fantasy, because Brown should be sitting on his 3rd straight 100+ yard and a TD game, but here we are. I certainly can't imagine Brian Flores seeing that on tape and not being extremely excited about the various blitz packages he can try next week.

I think Hurts generally is a good QB, but he's been too conservative this year, and also seems to be struggling to navigate the pocket (by his previous standards) and read defenses (which has never been his strength) and its clearly in his head. I think I'd be coaching him to be more aggressive, and to feel free to take off more. If that leads to more turnovers, so be it, the OL/defense aren't at the level right now where you can just win by not making mistakes.

Shows that Hurts isn't a really good NFL QB. He doesn't read the defenses as good as other elite QBs. Correct, that ball needed to go to Brown for an easy score.

Agree with most of this. Hurts isn’t elite. Can’t read coverage well. Doesn’t anticipate well.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

I sold AJB + Waddle for JT and Bo Nix early in the season... feels like the right choice here.

I can empathize with Brown's frustration, as Hurts appears to be the problem. Hurts seems to not see the field particularly well and locks on targets. Oddly, there seemed to be a few plays last night where he ignored Barkley in the flat and ran to where Barkley was... this offense is a mess.

The rush push definitely has it's place in the Eagles games but I disagree with running that play on 3rd and 1 at midfield. It seems like a goal line play or 4th and 1. We will see how much the Eagles fans love Howie's sign em early approach with all the money on the books for this offense and not being able to keep pace with a rookie QB and Cam Skattebo running it down their throats.

I was interested in one league trying to buy low on AJB, but after watching last night... my buy low would be offensive.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

As to the "slap in the face" part, I really hate this kind of thing being brought up in football. AJB is a grown *** man being paid $100M. He doesn't need to be coddled. He should certainly be able to live with coaches drawing up a play for someone else inside the 5.

Thank you

 

[unckeyherb]

AJ Brown is not underutilized. He is averaging 9 targets a game and is on pace for 150 targets o the year. He barely gets open and when Jalen throws a dime 40 yard pass into the endzone, after bitching about 'just wanting to contribute' Brown slows down on the route. He runs the route out and its a TD and everyone is super happy.

Give me a break on the gadget play being a slap in the face of Brown. I said in the moment, oh ****, AJ out on his own in man coverage, gotta go there. But the play worked like a charm. If AJ is going to act like a baby because he wasn't the target on that play, then the Birds are cooked this year.

 

[dkp993]

AJ Brown is not underutilized. He is averaging 9 targets a game and is on pace for 150 targets o the year. He barely gets open and when Jalen throws a dime 40 yard pass into the endzone, after bitching about 'just wanting to contribute' Brown slows down on the route. He runs the route out and its a TD and everyone is super happy.

Give me a break on the gadget play being a slap in the face of Brown. I said in the moment, oh ****, AJ out on his own in man coverage, gotta go there. But the play worked like a charm. If AJ is going to act like a baby because he wasn't the target on that play, then the Birds are cooked this year.

So this target thing again huh….

https://x.com/MattWaldman/status/1976647189788344452

 

[unckeyherb]

AJ Brown is not underutilized. He is averaging 9 targets a game and is on pace for 150 targets o the year. He barely gets open and when Jalen throws a dime 40 yard pass into the endzone, after bitching about 'just wanting to contribute' Brown slows down on the route. He runs the route out and its a TD and everyone is super happy.

Give me a break on the gadget play being a slap in the face of Brown. I said in the moment, oh ****, AJ out on his own in man coverage, gotta go there. But the play worked like a charm. If AJ is going to act like a baby because he wasn't the target on that play, then the Birds are cooked this year.

So this target thing again huh….

https://x.com/MattWaldman/status/1976647189788344452

I know you are making a point here, I'm just not sure what it is. That clip shows AJ completely blanketed with shaded double coverage coming over and Jalen still throws it to him. He throws to him because AJ is really, really good and he throws it to him on average 9 times a game. That seems to back up my point that AJ rarely gets open (at least, he isn't on that play) and regardless of that Jalen still targets him a bunch. ie he is not underutilized.

And again, he tweeted out his cryptic tweet and caused a huge media circus here for half a week until he had to hold a mini presser in the locker room where he read from a prepared statement and basically said he just really wants to contribute. And the very next game Jalen throws a dime, deep to him for what should have been a walk in TD to make the score 21-3 and he slows down on the route, presumably because he figured the ball isn't coming to him.

 

[dkp993]

AJ Brown is not underutilized. He is averaging 9 targets a game and is on pace for 150 targets o the year. He barely gets open and when Jalen throws a dime 40 yard pass into the endzone, after bitching about 'just wanting to contribute' Brown slows down on the route. He runs the route out and its a TD and everyone is super happy.

Give me a break on the gadget play being a slap in the face of Brown. I said in the moment, oh ****, AJ out on his own in man coverage, gotta go there. But the play worked like a charm. If AJ is going to act like a baby because he wasn't the target on that play, then the Birds are cooked this year.

So this target thing again huh….

https://x.com/MattWaldman/status/1976647189788344452

I know you are making a point here, I'm just not sure what it is. That clip shows AJ completely blanketed with shaded double coverage coming over and Jalen still throws it to him. He throws to him because AJ is really, really good and he throws it to him on average 9 times a game. That seems to back up my point that AJ rarely gets open (at least, he isn't on that play) and regardless of that Jalen still targets him a bunch. ie he is not underutilized.

And again, he tweeted out his cryptic tweet and caused a huge media circus here for half a week until he had to hold a mini presser in the locker room where he read from a prepared statement and basically said he just really wants to contribute. And the very next game Jalen throws a dime, deep to him for what should have been a walk in TD to make the score 21-3 and he slows down on the route, presumably because he figured the ball isn't coming to him.

My point with the Waldman link was that even the best analysts in the game can see that he’s having to overcome the awful offense.


You keep hammering away on this nine targets a game despite the fact that that’s been addressed at least a half dozen times in the last few pages. That one throw on the Waldman link is one of the very few times he actually threw him a ball in coverage that he could catch, all be it very difficult catch. But many many many of those nine targets a game are 5 foot over his head out of bounds throws or throws at his feet in the middle of the field. There’s also been links here showing AJB getting wide open in the end zone while Jalen bales and throws to the running back or the replays that show AJB wide open on a crossing route while Jalen targets the tight end as the first read for 5 yards, you’re conveniently forgetting those and pointing out the one time he quit on a route thinking the ball didn’t get thrown

But I get it you wanna frame him as a crybaby because he spoke up and isn’t happy with being underutilized. I’m not gonna change your mind on that, so at this point, we’re talking past each other. But as I said before, none of my posts were ever about how he’s feeling. It’s about how he’s being utilized in the offense. And in my opinion, it’s atrocious.

 

[unckeyherb]

AJ Brown is not underutilized. He is averaging 9 targets a game and is on pace for 150 targets o the year. He barely gets open and when Jalen throws a dime 40 yard pass into the endzone, after bitching about 'just wanting to contribute' Brown slows down on the route. He runs the route out and its a TD and everyone is super happy.

Give me a break on the gadget play being a slap in the face of Brown. I said in the moment, oh ****, AJ out on his own in man coverage, gotta go there. But the play worked like a charm. If AJ is going to act like a baby because he wasn't the target on that play, then the Birds are cooked this year.

So this target thing again huh….

https://x.com/MattWaldman/status/1976647189788344452

I know you are making a point here, I'm just not sure what it is. That clip shows AJ completely blanketed with shaded double coverage coming over and Jalen still throws it to him. He throws to him because AJ is really, really good and he throws it to him on average 9 times a game. That seems to back up my point that AJ rarely gets open (at least, he isn't on that play) and regardless of that Jalen still targets him a bunch. ie he is not underutilized.

And again, he tweeted out his cryptic tweet and caused a huge media circus here for half a week until he had to hold a mini presser in the locker room where he read from a prepared statement and basically said he just really wants to contribute. And the very next game Jalen throws a dime, deep to him for what should have been a walk in TD to make the score 21-3 and he slows down on the route, presumably because he figured the ball isn't coming to him.

My point with the Waldman link was that even the best analysts in the game can see that he’s having to overcome the awful offense.


You keep hammering away on this nine targets a game despite the fact that that’s been addressed at least a half dozen times in the last few pages. That one throw on the Waldman link is one of the very few times he actually threw him a ball in coverage that he could catch, all be it very difficult catch. But many many many of those nine targets a game are 5 foot over his head out of bounds throws or throws at his feet in the middle of the field. There’s also been links here showing AJB getting wide open in the end zone while Jalen bales and throws to the running back or the replays that show AJB wide open on a crossing route while Jalen targets the tight end as the first read for 5 yards, you’re conveniently forgetting those and pointing out the one time he quit on a route thinking the ball didn’t get thrown

But I get it you wanna frame him as a crybaby because he spoke up and isn’t happy with being underutilized. I’m not gonna change your mind on that, so at this point, we’re talking past each other. But as I said before, none of my posts were ever about how he’s feeling. It’s about how he’s being utilized in the offense. And in my opinion, it’s atrocious.

Maybe I'm not doing a good job of explaining. I agree that this offense is bad. Take a look in the Eagles thread, I blast them for running the same tired routes down after down. And yes, I've watched every down of this team forever-I'm aware that some of those 9 targets are, in fact, bad throws. I can tell you there are plenty of videos showing the opposite of what you are saying. He's not getting open most of the time. And if that is the case, and they need to scheme him open, then fine, ****ing do it. I'd love to see it.

I can tell you that Goedert is rarely the first read. He throws to him a lot of times after holding the ball for 3-5 seconds, because the WR's are not getting open, for whatever reason. And no, I'm not labeling him a crybaby, I'm just tired of the ********. This is becoming an every season thing with him and its not productive. And yes, when he takes semi-veiled shots on twitter at other people in the building (Jalen, OC, HC, whomever) I expect him to at least back it up on the field. When he takes plays off he looks like prima donna.

 

[dkp993]

AJ Brown is not underutilized. He is averaging 9 targets a game and is on pace for 150 targets o the year. He barely gets open and when Jalen throws a dime 40 yard pass into the endzone, after bitching about 'just wanting to contribute' Brown slows down on the route. He runs the route out and its a TD and everyone is super happy.

Give me a break on the gadget play being a slap in the face of Brown. I said in the moment, oh ****, AJ out on his own in man coverage, gotta go there. But the play worked like a charm. If AJ is going to act like a baby because he wasn't the target on that play, then the Birds are cooked this year.

So this target thing again huh….

https://x.com/MattWaldman/status/1976647189788344452

I know you are making a point here, I'm just not sure what it is. That clip shows AJ completely blanketed with shaded double coverage coming over and Jalen still throws it to him. He throws to him because AJ is really, really good and he throws it to him on average 9 times a game. That seems to back up my point that AJ rarely gets open (at least, he isn't on that play) and regardless of that Jalen still targets him a bunch. ie he is not underutilized.

And again, he tweeted out his cryptic tweet and caused a huge media circus here for half a week until he had to hold a mini presser in the locker room where he read from a prepared statement and basically said he just really wants to contribute. And the very next game Jalen throws a dime, deep to him for what should have been a walk in TD to make the score 21-3 and he slows down on the route, presumably because he figured the ball isn't coming to him.

My point with the Waldman link was that even the best analysts in the game can see that he’s having to overcome the awful offense.


You keep hammering away on this nine targets a game despite the fact that that’s been addressed at least a half dozen times in the last few pages. That one throw on the Waldman link is one of the very few times he actually threw him a ball in coverage that he could catch, all be it very difficult catch. But many many many of those nine targets a game are 5 foot over his head out of bounds throws or throws at his feet in the middle of the field. There’s also been links here showing AJB getting wide open in the end zone while Jalen bales and throws to the running back or the replays that show AJB wide open on a crossing route while Jalen targets the tight end as the first read for 5 yards, you’re conveniently forgetting those and pointing out the one time he quit on a route thinking the ball didn’t get thrown

But I get it you wanna frame him as a crybaby because he spoke up and isn’t happy with being underutilized. I’m not gonna change your mind on that, so at this point, we’re talking past each other. But as I said before, none of my posts were ever about how he’s feeling. It’s about how he’s being utilized in the offense. And in my opinion, it’s atrocious.

Maybe I'm not doing a good job of explaining. I agree that this offense is bad. Take a look in the Eagles thread, I blast them for running the same tired routes down after down. And yes, I've watched every down of this team forever-I'm aware that some of those 9 targets are, in fact, bad throws. I can tell you there are plenty of videos showing the opposite of what you are saying. He's not getting open most of the time. And if that is the case, and they need to scheme him open, then fine, ****ing do it. I'd love to see it.

I can tell you that Goedert is rarely the first read. He throws to him a lot of times after holding the ball for 3-5 seconds, because the WR's are not getting open, for whatever reason. And no, I'm not labeling him a crybaby, I'm just tired of the ********. This is becoming an every season thing with him and its not productive. And yes, when he takes semi-veiled shots on twitter at other people in the building (Jalen, OC, HC, whomever) I expect him to at least back it up on the field. When he takes plays off he looks like prima donna.

At this point we’ve reached (probably passed) that dreaded point in a thread where 2 people go back and forth incessantly to the detriment of the thread. Neither one convincing the other of anything. So my last post on this as while we are both watching the games we are simply seeing it differently.

I saw a game last night where Dallas caught 5 of the first 7 completions where he absolutely was the first or only read on the majority of them while watching AJB streak wide open on a slant right behind him (just like in the endzone later in the game but this time to the RB). I also saw an absolute layup of a chance to help bring some MUCH needed continuity between 2 of the most important people on the team with an easy TD and they chose a trick play to Dallas instead. It’s absolutely broken.

 

[Payne]

AJ Brown is not underutilized. He is averaging 9 targets a game and is on pace for 150 targets o the year. He barely gets open and when Jalen throws a dime 40 yard pass into the endzone, after bitching about 'just wanting to contribute' Brown slows down on the route. He runs the route out and its a TD and everyone is super happy.

Give me a break on the gadget play being a slap in the face of Brown. I said in the moment, oh ****, AJ out on his own in man coverage, gotta go there. But the play worked like a charm. If AJ is going to act like a baby because he wasn't the target on that play, then the Birds are cooked this year.

 

[travdogg]

Fantasy wise, I think the biggest takeaway is, the defense isn't as good as 2024, the run game isn't remotely as good as 2024. AJ Brown is gonna see targets. Hurts had 32+ passes in 3 games last season, he's hit that in 3 of the last 4 games this season. Brown had 5 games with 8+ targets last season, he's hit that each of the past 5 weeks.

Still think he's a buy-low, still think he's a solid WR2 with upside if he and Hurts get on the same page.

 

[TripItUp]

To me it's not about Hurts and AJ getting on the same page. The majority of this falls on the OC...who has been under heavy media scrutiny all day today.

The playcalling and scheme look terrible.

 

[KellysHeroes]

To me it's not about Hurts and AJ getting on the same page. The majority of this falls on the OC...who has been under heavy media scrutiny all day today.

The playcalling and scheme look terrible.

OK, sure... but I'm not ignoring how BAD Hurts has been missing his WRs this yr.

 

[BladeRunner]

To me it's not about Hurts and AJ getting on the same page. The majority of this falls on the OC...who has been under heavy media scrutiny all day today.

The playcalling and scheme look terrible.

OK, sure... but I'm not ignoring how BAD Hurts has been missing his WRs this yr.

This year?

But, sure, the OC has something to do with it but in reality you can only do so much with a guy who's first option is to call his own number and run. Hurts simply cannot sustain a passing game as he's not a passer - he's a runner. No matter how hard they try to convert him, it won't work and the WR will suffer.

 

[menobrown]

I don't think he's going to get traded until the off-season, but I guess sooner can't be 100% ruled out?

What I’m hearing on Bill Belichick’s future, Eagles fallout and trade deadline rumblings

Also: The NFL is buzzing over a coach's fine, and Saquon Barkley was right about Daniel Jones.

www.nytimes.com

The Eagles will continue to insist they have no plans to trade Brown, their star receiver. But every week that passes with problems piling up makes decision-makers around the league wonder. One league source told me: “Brown doesn’t look frustrated or mad — he looks indifferent. And that’s not a good place to be.” A GM in the AFC said, “I think Howie (Roseman) moves him. It would have to be for the right player or pick, but (a trade) wouldn’t surprise me. Howie likes deals, especially if a player’s value overrides how Brown is being used.”

Most teams anticipate the asking price to be steep. Expect more calls as we near November.

 

[menobrown]

To me it's not about Hurts and AJ getting on the same page. The majority of this falls on the OC...who has been under heavy media scrutiny all day today.

The playcalling and scheme look terrible.

OK, sure... but I'm not ignoring how BAD Hurts has been missing his WRs this yr.

This year?

But, sure, the OC has something to do with it but in reality you can only do so much with a guy who's first option is to call his own number and run. Hurts simply cannot sustain a passing game as he's not a passer - he's a runner. No matter how hard they try to convert him, it won't work and the WR will suffer.

Hurts also is super risk averse, which I won't knock him for how he manages the game but combined with his running that has to be so frustrating to be one of his pass catchers. If he does not like what he sees he's just not going to throw it.

I've long viewed him as a football version of what I typically think of in basketball terms as a ball hog.

Also the OC may have a lot of fault but putting it on him, even the majority, is misguided to me. It's not last year and he's not working with the same OL and running game which is what drives this offense. I do think the offense is predictable though.

 

[BladeRunner]

To me it's not about Hurts and AJ getting on the same page. The majority of this falls on the OC...who has been under heavy media scrutiny all day today.

The playcalling and scheme look terrible.

OK, sure... but I'm not ignoring how BAD Hurts has been missing his WRs this yr.

This year?

But, sure, the OC has something to do with it but in reality you can only do so much with a guy who's first option is to call his own number and run. Hurts simply cannot sustain a passing game as he's not a passer - he's a runner. No matter how hard they try to convert him, it won't work and the WR will suffer.

Hurts also is super risk averse, which I won't knock him for how he manages the game but combined with his running that has to be so frustrating to be one of his pass catchers. If he does not like what he sees he's just not going to throw it.

I've long viewed him as a football version of what I typically think of in basketball terms as a ball hog.

Also the OC may have a lot of fault but putting it on him, even the majority, is misguided to me. It's not last year and he's not working with the same OL and running game which is what drives this offense. I do think the offense is predictable though.

Great Post!


And per the bolded: I've also been saying for years that a lot of these running QBs are what we used to call "ball hogs" in high school. I agree with you 100%.

 

[Cheen]

I don't think he's going to get traded until the off-season, but I guess sooner can't be 100% ruled out?

What I’m hearing on Bill Belichick’s future, Eagles fallout and trade deadline rumblings

Also: The NFL is buzzing over a coach's fine, and Saquon Barkley was right about Daniel Jones.

www.nytimes.com

The Eagles will continue to insist they have no plans to trade Brown, their star receiver. But every week that passes with problems piling up makes decision-makers around the league wonder. One league source told me: “Brown doesn’t look frustrated or mad — he looks indifferent. And that’s not a good place to be.” A GM in the AFC said, “I think Howie (Roseman) moves him. It would have to be for the right player or pick, but (a trade) wouldn’t surprise me. Howie likes deals, especially if a player’s value overrides how Brown is being used.”

Most teams anticipate the asking price to be steep. Expect more calls as we near November.

Would Howie do better than the Titans in an AJB trade (after multiple all-pro type seasons and a ring)? Would be funny to see.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

To me it's not about Hurts and AJ getting on the same page. The majority of this falls on the OC...who has been under heavy media scrutiny all day today.

The playcalling and scheme look terrible.

OK, sure... but I'm not ignoring how BAD Hurts has been missing his WRs this yr.

This year?

But, sure, the OC has something to do with it but in reality you can only do so much with a guy who's first option is to call his own number and run. Hurts simply cannot sustain a passing game as he's not a passer - he's a runner. No matter how hard they try to convert him, it won't work and the WR will suffer.

Hurts also is super risk averse, which I won't knock him for how he manages the game but combined with his running that has to be so frustrating to be one of his pass catchers. If he does not like what he sees he's just not going to throw it.

I've long viewed him as a football version of what I typically think of in basketball terms as a ball hog.

Also the OC may have a lot of fault but putting it on him, even the majority, is misguided to me. It's not last year and he's not working with the same OL and running game which is what drives this offense. I do think the offense is predictable though.

Great Post!


And per the bolded: I've also been saying for years that a lot of these running QBs are what we used to call "ball hogs" in high school. I agree with you 100%.

To me it's not about Hurts and AJ getting on the same page. The majority of this falls on the OC...who has been under heavy media scrutiny all day today.

The playcalling and scheme look terrible.

OK, sure... but I'm not ignoring how BAD Hurts has been missing his WRs this yr.

This year?

But, sure, the OC has something to do with it but in reality you can only do so much with a guy who's first option is to call his own number and run. Hurts simply cannot sustain a passing game as he's not a passer - he's a runner. No matter how hard they try to convert him, it won't work and the WR will suffer.

Hurts also is super risk averse, which I won't knock him for how he manages the game but combined with his running that has to be so frustrating to be one of his pass catchers. If he does not like what he sees he's just not going to throw it.

I've long viewed him as a football version of what I typically think of in basketball terms as a ball hog.

Also the OC may have a lot of fault but putting it on him, even the majority, is misguided to me. It's not last year and he's not working with the same OL and running game which is what drives this offense. I do think the offense is predictable though.

Great Post!


And per the bolded: I've also been saying for years that a lot of these running QBs are what we used to call "ball hogs" in high school. I agree with you 100%.

Even worse - a ball hog who steals all the TDs from his all-world star RB. He’s a selfish dude.

 

[Bad_Mo2]

Hurts sucks as a QB. Should transition to RB. Can't make NFL-level throws. Tush Push his tush out of Philly. Blows. Not using Barkley, Brown, Smith, etc. as much as he should...bye bye bro.