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WR A.J. Brown, PHI (6 Viewers)

The Eagles offense has one game over 30 points this season (against the Giants, when they ran for close to 300 yards). The other three games with 30+ points involved a defense or special teams score. I have a few pieces of this offense across various leagues and it's just painful to watch sometimes. AJ shouldn't be voicing these complaints in public, but there's definitely something wrong with this offense and it feels like, even with the issues Hurts has passing the ball at times, relying on their top WRs seems like a formula that should loosen up the defense and lead to more points.
 
What’s gross is that Brown makes tens of millions a year and he’s acting like a baby. If the Eagles asked him to scrub the toilets he should grab a brush and do it. He’s making a ton of money. He should STFU and go do his job.

Whoa! Out of touch much?

Dude's got the money and the ring... and now he wants to get to the Hall of Fame - and his QB's relevance is based on a tush push.

I have zero respect for how Brown is handling himself. Zero.
Well I'm sure that keeps up at night.

Bad take.

My take was bad? You're suggesting that Brown should more/less shut-up and be happy to "scrub the toilets" if asked - because he's getting paid a lot of money.

Would you scrub the toilets at your place of business if your manager asked you to because, ya' know, "You should be happy you have job"

Saying that my comments aren’t keeping Brown up at night are a bad take. Just a ridiculous comment that contributes nothing to the conversation.

Of course I don’t think Brown should be asked to scrub toilets. But I do think he should do whatever he’s asked to do by the team and not complain to the press.
 
What’s gross is that Brown makes tens of millions a year and he’s acting like a baby. If the Eagles asked him to scrub the toilets he should grab a brush and do it. He’s making a ton of money. He should STFU and go do his job.

Whoa! Out of touch much?

Dude's got the money and the ring... and now he wants to get to the Hall of Fame - and his QB's relevance is based on a tush push.

I have zero respect for how Brown is handling himself. Zero.
Well I'm sure that keeps up at night.

Bad take.

My take was bad? You're suggesting that Brown should more/less shut-up and be happy to "scrub the toilets" if asked - because he's getting paid a lot of money.

Would you scrub the toilets at your place of business if your manager asked you to because, ya' know, "You should be happy you have job"

Saying that my comments aren’t keeping Brown up at night are a bad take. Just a ridiculous comment that contributes nothing to the conversation.

Of course I don’t think Brown should be asked to scrub toilets. But I do think he should do whatever he’s asked to do by the team and not complain to the press.

OK, so when you said "bad take"... you meant I shouldn't bring truth/facts into replies to your incredibly ridiculous original comment.

I am trying to picture you telling AJB to "STFU and go do his job" :bored:
 
I don't know where to start but I'll say it this way
Props to AJB for speaking up and I'll explain my POV. I don't see him as being selfish or worried about his precious stats, he's doing this for the entire team
Here is why, if you never use the down field passes to loosen up the defenses to allow for more chunk plays for Saquon etc...
AJB knows in the Playoffs if they keep playing this way they're gonna get beat. We can sing their praises about grinding out a 10-7 win but that's not a blueprint for another ring

I'm not sure I agree with AJB 100% but I feel like I am starting to understand why he's popping off and I don't believe it's for pure selfish reasons
I hope folks don' bash AJB or lay into him, he's clearly saying something is wrong at the top level or OC in this case

When he started complaining openly they were coming off 33 and 31 point games.

The last 4 weeks in full AJB drama mode they've scored 17, 17, 22, and 7 points.

This kind of drama puts everyone in a weird situation, especially the QB. The whining certainly hasn't helped on the scoreboard and it's not surprising that it hasn't.
Actually they scored 17, 17, 28, 38 and 10.

The articles started coming out on Oct 1.

Since then it's 17, 17, 28, 10.

I pulled the wrong side of the box score on the last two.

The Eagles haven't scored 38 points in any game this year, so not sure where that one came from.
 

From the article:

“The reigning Super Bowl champions rank 25th in the NFL in passing yards (191.7) and 12th in points per game (24.2). Third-down offense also has been an issue; they are 27th with a conversion rate of 42.4% and have gone three-and-out on 41% of their drives, which ranks 28th.”

This is basic stuff. Is AJ wrong for saying publicly that the offense is a problem? Maybe. And maybe he’s said it privately and is sick of it not being fixed.

The offense isn’t good right now. Plain and simple.

I honestly get why people think he’s a diva and a problem because he does sound selfish.

But when you think about it, isn’t he a stakeholder? Isn’t this his legacy and his bank account?

He should, if he didn’t, have publicly just said “trade me.” That he didn’t means he wants to work from within.

I’m going to maybe post some stuff I did with nflfast and PROE, EPA, and play predictability. Phillys plays are so predictable (as were Green Bay’s until the 4th quarter of the game) that you’d be amazed.

Exactly! Brown is a top shelf talent a WR... if you're not using him, then you had better be scoring a ton of points to justify it. Maybe the PHI OC is garbage.

But they have been using him. And he wasn't delivering a return on that usage.

Up until this last week he was on pace for 125 targets, which would've been the 3rd highest of his career. So not crazy high Jamar Chase level or anything, but reasonable and in line. But DeVonta was doing a lot more with his targets.
 
I don't know where to start but I'll say it this way
Props to AJB for speaking up and I'll explain my POV. I don't see him as being selfish or worried about his precious stats, he's doing this for the entire team
Here is why, if you never use the down field passes to loosen up the defenses to allow for more chunk plays for Saquon etc...
AJB knows in the Playoffs if they keep playing this way they're gonna get beat. We can sing their praises about grinding out a 10-7 win but that's not a blueprint for another ring

I'm not sure I agree with AJB 100% but I feel like I am starting to understand why he's popping off and I don't believe it's for pure selfish reasons
I hope folks don' bash AJB or lay into him, he's clearly saying something is wrong at the top level or OC in this case

When he started complaining openly they were coming off 33 and 31 point games.

The last 4 weeks in full AJB drama mode they've scored 17, 17, 22, and 7 points.

This kind of drama puts everyone in a weird situation, especially the QB. The whining certainly hasn't helped on the scoreboard and it's not surprising that it hasn't.
Actually they scored 17, 17, 28, 38 and 10.

The articles started coming out on Oct 1.

Since then it's 17, 17, 28, 10.

I pulled the wrong side of the box score on the last two.

The Eagles haven't scored 38 points in any game this year, so not sure where that one came from.
ESPN. They beat the Giants 38-20.

 
I think all these things can be true.

1. Brown is being used poorly.
2. Brown isn't playing at the level expected of him.
3. The offense in general is underachieving, and that's more the fault of the OC than any individual player.
4. DeVonta Smith has just been the better WR this season.
5. The Eagles are playing extremely risk averse due to their confidence in the defense.
 
I don't know where to start but I'll say it this way
Props to AJB for speaking up and I'll explain my POV. I don't see him as being selfish or worried about his precious stats, he's doing this for the entire team
Here is why, if you never use the down field passes to loosen up the defenses to allow for more chunk plays for Saquon etc...
AJB knows in the Playoffs if they keep playing this way they're gonna get beat. We can sing their praises about grinding out a 10-7 win but that's not a blueprint for another ring

I'm not sure I agree with AJB 100% but I feel like I am starting to understand why he's popping off and I don't believe it's for pure selfish reasons
I hope folks don' bash AJB or lay into him, he's clearly saying something is wrong at the top level or OC in this case

When he started complaining openly they were coming off 33 and 31 point games.

The last 4 weeks in full AJB drama mode they've scored 17, 17, 22, and 7 points.

This kind of drama puts everyone in a weird situation, especially the QB. The whining certainly hasn't helped on the scoreboard and it's not surprising that it hasn't.
Actually they scored 17, 17, 28, 38 and 10.

The articles started coming out on Oct 1.

Since then it's 17, 17, 28, 10.

I pulled the wrong side of the box score on the last two.

The Eagles haven't scored 38 points in any game this year, so not sure where that one came from.
ESPN. They beat the Giants 38-20.


AJ Brown didn't play in that game.

Which again kind of proves the point. Since AJB started publicly whining, the only good game their offense has had was the one where AJB was missing.
 
I don't know where to start but I'll say it this way
Props to AJB for speaking up and I'll explain my POV. I don't see him as being selfish or worried about his precious stats, he's doing this for the entire team
Here is why, if you never use the down field passes to loosen up the defenses to allow for more chunk plays for Saquon etc...
AJB knows in the Playoffs if they keep playing this way they're gonna get beat. We can sing their praises about grinding out a 10-7 win but that's not a blueprint for another ring

I'm not sure I agree with AJB 100% but I feel like I am starting to understand why he's popping off and I don't believe it's for pure selfish reasons
I hope folks don' bash AJB or lay into him, he's clearly saying something is wrong at the top level or OC in this case

When he started complaining openly they were coming off 33 and 31 point games.

The last 4 weeks in full AJB drama mode they've scored 17, 17, 22, and 7 points.

This kind of drama puts everyone in a weird situation, especially the QB. The whining certainly hasn't helped on the scoreboard and it's not surprising that it hasn't.
Actually they scored 17, 17, 28, 38 and 10.

The articles started coming out on Oct 1.

Since then it's 17, 17, 28, 10.

I pulled the wrong side of the box score on the last two.

The Eagles haven't scored 38 points in any game this year, so not sure where that one came from.
ESPN. They beat the Giants 38-20.


AJ Brown didn't play in that game.

Which again kind of proves the point. Since AJB started publicly whining, the only good game their offense has had was the one where AJB was missing.
Interesting. Maybe there is something to the distraction component.

Edit to add: watching the games it seems like Hurts simply is bad at making reads and misses AJB wide open a lot. But human psychology is a funny thing.

It also helps to play the Giants, who have a terrible D
 
There is no way on this green earth that AJ Brown isn’t getting to 1000 yards. Thats 600 yards in 7 games, and that will happen.
Isn’t that averaging 90+ yards per game the rest of the year? I’ll take the under. The only way that has a chance to happen is if Smith goes down.
Agreed. I'd be downright shocked if AJ made it to 1000 yards unless the Eagles DRASTICALLY changed their offense, which feels unlikely for a 7-2 team.
 
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A.J. Brown has run only 14 crossing routes this season, via TruMedia.

137 pass-catchers in the NFL have run more crossing routes than him.

Most coaches would look at Brown and go, "Let's get this beast running routes over the middle all the time."

He's also only run 26 "in routes" this season, which ranks 45th among all pass catchers.

The Eagles' coaching staff is not utilizing him properly.

To put this in perspective, Puka Nacua and Davante Adams lead the league in "in routes" run:

1. Puka: 59
2. Davante: 59

McVay knows how to maximize his players' talents.
 
Feels like the inevitable changing of the guard has happened. Devonta is the WR 1 in Philly now.
Agreed.

The question is, is it intentional. Wonder if they know he’s gone in the offseason and are focusing the passing O through Smith.

The Faust post above this shows the clear miss use. Anyone who’s ever watched AJB knows the crossing route is his superpower.
I doubt a team trying to win a SB would intentionally misuse a player.
 
Feels like the inevitable changing of the guard has happened. Devonta is the WR 1 in Philly now.
Agreed.

The question is, is it intentional. Wonder if they know he’s gone in the offseason and are focusing the passing O through Smith.

The Faust post above this shows the clear miss use. Anyone who’s ever watched AJB knows the crossing route is his superpower.
I doubt a team trying to win a SB would intentionally misuse a player.
So just pure incompetence?
 
Feels like the inevitable changing of the guard has happened. Devonta is the WR 1 in Philly now.
Agreed.

The question is, is it intentional. Wonder if they know he’s gone in the offseason and are focusing the passing O through Smith.

The Faust post above this shows the clear miss use. Anyone who’s ever watched AJB knows the crossing route is his superpower.
I doubt a team trying to win a SB would intentionally misuse a player.
So just pure incompetence?
Yeah, seems that way. They obviously have a different idea of what AJB can do to help the whole offense. Not sure they are right given the history but perhaps they see things in practice we don't. Has Brown lost something? I don't know. I do know that it makes sense Smith would pass him about now.
 
The beauty of this very nerdy hobby we love is that we have short memories. See Treveyon Henderson. If he gets me big games in week 15, 16 and 17 then all is forgiven. Of course only if I make the playoffs. If I don't make the playoffs it will be solely because of him. Then I will hate him. Hopefully I forgive him.
 
The beauty of this very nerdy hobby we love is that we have short memories. See Treveyon Henderson. If he gets me big games in week 15, 16 and 17 then all is forgiven. Of course only if I make the playoffs. If I don't make the playoffs it will be solely because of him. Then I will hate him. Hopefully I forgive him.
It is funny how 2 people could take a guy like Trey Henderson at the same spot in the draft and end the season with total opposite opinions of that pick. Like the great Sig Bloom said, we will be right and wrong about players in the same season.
 
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To put this in perspective, Puka Nacua and Davante Adams lead the league in "in routes" run:

1. Puka: 59
2. Davante: 59

McVay knows how to maximize his players' talents.

And to put THIS in perspective, Sean McVay is 0-4 against the Eagles over the last 3 years.

But I bet they ran way more in routes in those games.
 
The beauty of this very nerdy hobby we love is that we have short memories. See Treveyon Henderson. If he gets me big games in week 15, 16 and 17 then all is forgiven. Of course only if I make the playoffs. If I don't make the playoffs it will be solely because of him. Then I will hate him. Hopefully I forgive him.

Have Tre and AJB on the same team and battling week to week now for fantasy survival. God help it!
 
Feels like the inevitable changing of the guard has happened. Devonta is the WR 1 in Philly now.
This has been coming for awhile now. I’ve been saying it since last offseason. AJ has been dealing with one off injuries to his knees and hamstrings since last season. Had his knee drained ahead of the Super Bowl. Was in street clothes for most of training camp due to lingering hammy strains.

Go back and watch his first game with the birds in ‘22 against, ironically, the Lions. Then watch him this Sunday night and tell me he’s the same player. He’s not. Meanwhile Davonta is a technician in his route running, he high points better than just about anyone in the league and it’s pretty clear to me that Jalen trusts him more.

The narrative that Jalen is too conservative doesn’t paint the picture correctly. He IS conservative, which is why the eagles are so good-they almost always win the turnover battle-and that’s due to mainly Jalen not throwing stupid passes. BUT, he is clearly not afraid to throw it deep and into coverage when he feels his wr is going to go up and make a play. It’s just also clear that he feels Slim Reaper is going to do it and AJ isn’t.
 
Feels like the inevitable changing of the guard has happened. Devonta is the WR 1 in Philly now.
This has been coming for awhile now. I’ve been saying it since last offseason. AJ has been dealing with one off injuries to his knees and hamstrings since last season. Had his knee drained ahead of the Super Bowl. Was in street clothes for most of training camp due to lingering hammy strains.

Go back and watch his first game with the birds in ‘22 against, ironically, the Lions. Then watch him this Sunday night and tell me he’s the same player. He’s not. Meanwhile Davonta is a technician in his route running, he high points better than just about anyone in the league and it’s pretty clear to me that Jalen trusts him more.

The narrative that Jalen is too conservative doesn’t paint the picture correctly. He IS conservative, which is why the eagles are so good-they almost always win the turnover battle-and that’s due to mainly Jalen not throwing stupid passes. BUT, he is clearly not afraid to throw it deep and into coverage when he feels his wr is going to go up and make a play. It’s just also clear that he feels Slim Reaper is going to do it and AJ isn’t.
Hurts favors Devonta Smith over Brown and it's not close. Smith is a better WR than Brown, so why shouldn't he?
 
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Hurts favors Devonta Smith over Brown and it's not close. Smith is a better WR than Brown, so why shouldn't he?
Both very contestable statements.

Hurts has targeted Smith very slightly more times per game than Brown this year, and significantly less than Brown the past 3 years cumulatively.
 
Hurts favors Devonta Smith over Brown and it's not close. Smith is a better WR than Brown, so why shouldn't he?
Both very contestable statements.

Hurts has targeted Smith very slightly more times per game than Brown this year, and significantly less than Brown the past 3 years cumulatively.
Seems to me every time I watch the Eagles he favors Smith over Brown, but I don't watch the Eagles a lot. I do believe Smith is a better WR though. He definitely runs routes better and seems to have better hands.
 
Hurts favors Devonta Smith over Brown and it's not close. Smith is a better WR than Brown, so why shouldn't he?
Both very contestable statements.

Hurts has targeted Smith very slightly more times per game than Brown this year, and significantly less than Brown the past 3 years cumulatively.
Seems to me every time I watch the Eagles he favors Smith over Brown, but I don't watch the Eagles a lot. I do believe Smith is a better WR though. He definitely runs routes better and seems to have better hands.
Looking at their career stats, the one thing that jumped out at me was that DeVonta Smith's catch percentage is far better (around 70% versus 64%). Brown has a small but noteworthy edge in yards per target, which is probably about the most important among the "basic" stats.
 
Hurts favors Devonta Smith over Brown and it's not close. Smith is a better WR than Brown, so why shouldn't he?
Both very contestable statements.

Hurts has targeted Smith very slightly more times per game than Brown this year, and significantly less than Brown the past 3 years cumulatively.
Seems to me every time I watch the Eagles he favors Smith over Brown, but I don't watch the Eagles a lot. I do believe Smith is a better WR though. He definitely runs routes better and seems to have better hands.
Looking at their career stats, the one thing that jumped out at me was that DeVonta Smith's catch percentage is far better (around 70% versus 64%). Brown has a small but noteworthy edge in yards per target, which is probably about the most important among the "basic" stats.
I care more about the here and now, not past stats and to me personally, Smith seems to be the better WR. Or at least for the Eagles he does.
 
So the OC is the problem….


Jordan Mailata on A.J. Brown: "Whatever he says is on him, and as a teammate, I can understand his frustrations. But for me, I'm going to stay in my lane. As an offensive lineman, if we're not getting the ball to him, how can I fix that? Go to K.P. and tell him to get the ball to A.J.? That doesn't help anything. That doesn't come up with a solution. So me saying, 'I agree with A.J., go get him the ball!' I'd be the 15th person in this building telling him the same thing. It's empty."

 
If you're a team player and your team is winning the world should be a wonderful place
If you're team is winning and you're acting like a toddler who didn't get his ice cream after dinner,maybe you're not a team player
Maybe you need to be the center of attention on a 2 win team
After all it's all about your happiness
 
It's really been an odd year for him. I don't think it's as bad as AJ and fantasy owners feel like it is. It's just been one thing or another.

The Eagles have played 9 games.

Brown was out for 1 game.

Of the other 8 games, he was only targeted 1-3 times in 2 of the games.

In all the other 6 games, he's been heavily targeted.
Of those, in 1 game he could hardly catch anything (from what I heard they were not good passes).

Of the other 5 games, 2 of those games he had low yard per reception and no touchdowns (and you're not getting anywhere when those two things are true).

In the other 3 games, he was fine. 23, 14, and 28 PPR points.

So all you can do is ask yourself if those various factors holding him back are going to continue or if they've just been weird, unrelated anomalies making it look like a terrible season.
 
So the OC is the problem….


Jordan Mailata on A.J. Brown: "Whatever he says is on him, and as a teammate, I can understand his frustrations. But for me, I'm going to stay in my lane. As an offensive lineman, if we're not getting the ball to him, how can I fix that? Go to K.P. and tell him to get the ball to A.J.? That doesn't help anything. That doesn't come up with a solution. So me saying, 'I agree with A.J., go get him the ball!' I'd be the 15th person in this building telling him the same thing. It's empty."

How did you draw that conclusion?
 
So the OC is the problem….


Jordan Mailata on A.J. Brown: "Whatever he says is on him, and as a teammate, I can understand his frustrations. But for me, I'm going to stay in my lane. As an offensive lineman, if we're not getting the ball to him, how can I fix that? Go to K.P. and tell him to get the ball to A.J.? That doesn't help anything. That doesn't come up with a solution. So me saying, 'I agree with A.J., go get him the ball!' I'd be the 15th person in this building telling him the same thing. It's empty."

How did you draw that conclusion?
🤷‍♂️ One of the most respected players on the team would be one of a large number of other players telling KP to get they agree with AJB and get him the ball more. Seems pretty straightforward many others think KP is the reason he’s not getting the ball.

And I’m not the only one drawing said conclusion….


*look who retweeted this take too.

 
It's really been an odd year for him. I don't think it's as bad as AJ and fantasy owners feel like it is. It's just been one thing or another.

The Eagles have played 9 games.

Brown was out for 1 game.

Of the other 8 games, he was only targeted 1-3 times in 2 of the games.

In all the other 6 games, he's been heavily targeted.
Of those, in 1 game he could hardly catch anything (from what I heard they were not good passes).

Of the other 5 games, 2 of those games he had low yard per reception and no touchdowns (and you're not getting anywhere when those two things are true).

In the other 3 games, he was fine. 23, 14, and 28 PPR points.

So all you can do is ask yourself if those various factors holding him back are going to continue or if they've just been weird, unrelated anomalies making it look like a terrible season.
A 57% catchable ball rate on the season is absolute garbage and dramatically skews the target data
 
So the OC is the problem….


Jordan Mailata on A.J. Brown: "Whatever he says is on him, and as a teammate, I can understand his frustrations. But for me, I'm going to stay in my lane. As an offensive lineman, if we're not getting the ball to him, how can I fix that? Go to K.P. and tell him to get the ball to A.J.? That doesn't help anything. That doesn't come up with a solution. So me saying, 'I agree with A.J., go get him the ball!' I'd be the 15th person in this building telling him the same thing. It's empty."

How did you draw that conclusion?
🤷‍♂️ One of the most respected players on the team would be one of a large number of other players telling KP to get they agree with AJB and get him the ball more. Seems pretty straightforward many others think KP is the reason he’s not getting the ball.

And I’m not the only one drawing said conclusion….


*look who retweeted this take too.
I think that's a reach and I put more stock in reports like the one Russini wrote this morning saying the frustration by AJB is because Hurts is playing to conservatively.


No matter how you slice it appears you've taken the position of being an apologist for AJB's behavior by placing the blame on someone else. I'm taking the position of he's in the same offense as other stars and he's the only one acting out in a public way and coming off as selfish.
 
So the OC is the problem….


Jordan Mailata on A.J. Brown: "Whatever he says is on him, and as a teammate, I can understand his frustrations. But for me, I'm going to stay in my lane. As an offensive lineman, if we're not getting the ball to him, how can I fix that? Go to K.P. and tell him to get the ball to A.J.? That doesn't help anything. That doesn't come up with a solution. So me saying, 'I agree with A.J., go get him the ball!' I'd be the 15th person in this building telling him the same thing. It's empty."

If Patullo has a personal vendetta against AJB then he most certainly needs to be fired.
 

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