BobbyLayne
Footballguy
you self-identify as a Texan and I'm a Michigander
any interest in talking about Allen Robinson?
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you self-identify as a Texan and I'm a Michigander
any interest in talking about Allen Robinson?
This is why I've missed fantasy football for so many months. Buy into the hype on someone who has been trumpeted by all experts all offseason only to see him score 2 PPR points.
And then see the massive overreaction.
Lol.
LAR got shellacked last night. The game shouldn't have even been as close as it was.
Writing this one off. If we see a repeat at home against ATL....then I will be very very concerned.
And then see the massive overreaction.
Lol.
LAR got shellacked last night. The game shouldn't have even been as close as it was.
Writing this one off. If we see a repeat at home against ATL....then I will be very very concerned.
massraider
Footballguy
This is why we need NFL year round.
In a month, there will have been a hundred games, and people will be looking for trends.
Right now, there has only been one game, everyone has seen it, and it means everything.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Looks like Matt Stafford will be the death of ARII this season.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Not my intent to make any excuses for Robinson but the Rams offensive line did not play well at all and that could continue to be a problem for all of their players
TapRackBang
Footballguy
It's one game. It means nothing.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Mike Clay had warned people about Robinson all off-season. He didn't believe last season was a fluke, necessarily, and it was the start of his decline - obviously his stance could still end up looking silly at season's end since this is only one week and the Rams offense will see better days, but it's not like this is just "one week" in the sense that it's a continuation of 2021 on some level.
Pipes
Footballguy
Maybe an overreaction but the lack of targets is very concerning in a game where Stafford threw 41 passes. Stafford wasn't even looking at him last night and the fact Skowronek, who most of us had never heard of until last night, out targeted him 6-2. Now I'm sure McVay will adjust the game plan and Robinson will start to get his but the early returns on Robinson, on a legit offense for once, are not good.
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Pipes
Footballguy
He was open a few times once Stafford even look at him and tucked it and ran. Not saying he was running free all game because that wasn't the case but he seem open enough to get more than 2 targets.
I have the number one pick today in a draft where we got a free look at last night. I have pick one and briefly considered Kupp. I don’t trust that Staffords arm is gonna last based on all he had to do to prepare for the season. It was a great result for Kupp last night but I wouldn’t feel great about how the rest of the season is gonna look.
Agree he wasn't looked at. It was either Kupp as the #1 read all the way or it was a quick dump off short to the TEs or a WR I've never heard of.
Odd.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It's not just one game my friend
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I get the panic. Robinson was the biggest bust in fantasy last year and has picked up where he left off. The Rams offense looked like garbage. I agree with writing this one off. I’ve seen many teams and players shake off a dud week one performance. I find it hard to believe the Rams would have signed Robinson to such a big contract if they didn’t have big plans for him. That being said, Robinson is going to have to prove it to me before he goes back into my line up.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
On the flip side, one would assume ARob3 will be a bigger part of the game plan moving forward.
They won't play Buffalo every week, it was 10-10 at Half, they got blown out in the 2nd Half.
ARob3 is now a terrific buy low, yes/no?
I think there will be some repeat performances on different weeks, no way h finishes Top 15-20 or wherever people penciled in Bob Woods and OBJ numbers for ARob3, doesn't always translate.
A lot of folks think Hunter Renfrow will be Welker 2.0 in 2022 because he lines up as the SWR for Josh McDaniels but it's not a guarantee. Different players do different things and they don't always work on every team they and with.
They won't play Buffalo every week, it was 10-10 at Half, they got blown out in the 2nd Half.
ARob3 is now a terrific buy low, yes/no?
I think there will be some repeat performances on different weeks, no way h finishes Top 15-20 or wherever people penciled in Bob Woods and OBJ numbers for ARob3, doesn't always translate.
A lot of folks think Hunter Renfrow will be Welker 2.0 in 2022 because he lines up as the SWR for Josh McDaniels but it's not a guarantee. Different players do different things and they don't always work on every team they and with.
Hartliner
Footballguy
I would say 'Buy'. Only 1 week and Rams looked way worse than anyone anticipated, narrative wise I think this is a similar path seen with Robert Woods in 2021. I think almost any WR2 in that offense would have the same issue since Stafford loves Kupp so much.
1st month in: Robert Woods had underwhelming start and then it became a squeaky wheel scenario (which from Reports McVay already said they want to get him more involved so that's a good sign).
TLDR: If you can buy low and send a high-end WR3 type that has an above average week 1, you can figure to be likely to receive at least a low-end WR2 for the coming weeks. But i would temper expectations on how fast we see the improvement and favor to sit AROB until he proves it.
1st month in: Robert Woods had underwhelming start and then it became a squeaky wheel scenario (which from Reports McVay already said they want to get him more involved so that's a good sign).
TLDR: If you can buy low and send a high-end WR3 type that has an above average week 1, you can figure to be likely to receive at least a low-end WR2 for the coming weeks. But i would temper expectations on how fast we see the improvement and favor to sit AROB until he proves it.
efactor
Footballguy
I drafted a lot of Robinson and I am worried after this game
Higbee had 11 targets. Some guy I never heard of had 6. The guy you just paid 15 million plus a year had 2. WTF?
Hope you're right though
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
If he and his team look like that against Atlanta I would say it's time to man the lifeboats. 
The cause for concern isn't necessarily that he only got two targets as that is only a symptom. The cause for concern is that Stafford's first read 100% of the time is Kupp. Many times it is his second read also. Stafford never looked at Robinson the entire game. His only reception was on a scramble where Robinson was his 3rd or 4th read and was right in front of him open.
Many times ARob would be split to one side and Stafford didn't even look to that side at all. It's tough to get the ball when your QB will not even look in your direction. In fact the only play where Robinson was the first read was the final play on 4th and 18 with the jump ball (that was badly thrown to the inside where A-Rob had no chance).
Now the question becomes is Stafford looking elsewhere because A-Rob cannot get open or is Stafford looking elsewhere because Kupp is the first, second, and third options? Watching the game A-Rob was getting open and could have been involved more but Stafford never looked his way. Was A-Rob torching the DB.....no. But he wasn't so bad that you never look his way at all. This could be a function of having no time and Stafford reverting to his known quantity in Kupp so next week will be interesting. I do agree that in places I have equal options that A-Rob will be on the bench until I see Stafford look his way more than once a game.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I don't think he is a buy. The floor is very low and the ceiling of the Rams offense looks concerning. If ARob can't stretch the field, I feel like OBJ will be back soon.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
On one play Allen was wide open for an easy long score but Stafford was looking out of his ear hole before he could get the pass off.
That BUF pass rush was spectacular, and the Rams OL needs work. They had no answer and couldn’t protect Stafford at all.
Losing Andrew Whitworth to retirement might be the biggest factor here that no one is talking about.
zoonation
Footballguy
Yeah, none of that looked any good last night. Especially Stafford. It’s one game though.
They could certainly rebound and look great next week. The problem is that I had concerns going into this year.
efactor
Footballguy
Bills pass rush is legit. They won't see that again until they play the 49ers
fightingillini
Footballguy
I think Robinson is going to be an inconsistent option all year long. People that drafted him as a WR2 or strong WR3 are going to be disappointed this year.
He has to go to the bench until you see Stafford given him more targets. Sure, it's one game. But only 2 targets in a game where LA was behind the whole 2nd half? You have to be concerned.
He has to go to the bench until you see Stafford given him more targets. Sure, it's one game. But only 2 targets in a game where LA was behind the whole 2nd half? You have to be concerned.
Banger
Footballguy
Unlike Akers, I think ARob will be fine. He was on for almost every snap but I believe he runs the deeper routes and with 7 sacks and constant pass rush Stafford couldn't get the time needed to hit Robinson. Kupp runs the shallower routes where Stafford could get rid of the ball quickly so he saw all the action. Assuming they can get their line in order and Stafford isn't running for his life each week I think ARob will be fine. This is one of those one game duds that just happen to be the first week of the year....
One could argue that's worse.
Throw out all the usual disclaimers, one game, pass rush, and "hey, I saw him get open once or twice" etc, etc.
But he looked washed last year and the hype was he was mentally checked out and/or Nagy did not know how to use him but the smarter Rams with the legit passing QB would have him back on track. So all the disclaimers aside it's alarming as could be he looked like the same dude from last year.
OBJ is likely on the shelf until Thanksgiving.
imafallguy
Footballguy
I didn’t see how the Bills were covering, but I imagine they were highly focused on Kupp. Furthermore, they are young at DB until Tre’Davious White returns. Robinson should have gotten more looks unless Stafford isn’t comfortable with him yet. On the other hand, I think the Rams not having a real threat in the running game allowed the Bills to scheme against the pass more.
Banger
Footballguy
I saw some stats indicating he was very good at beating man coverage last year but Fields was awful and also running for his life each week. The Rams gave up the most sacks last night in how long? When you are under attack you can't stand back there and wait for the deeper routes. They may have just played the super bowl champs so they will have much better games scripts starting next week vs. Atlanta. If he throws up another dud next week I'd be concerned but as of now I'm chalking this up to a dominant Bills defense housed the Rams O.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The other aspect is that ARib was their big FA acquisition this year. They brought him in over fan favorite Bobby Trees.
McVay Is one of those “smartest guy in the room” guys. ARob is his new toy. He talked about ARob a lot this preseason. Touting his abilities, saying he was uncoverable in camp. You just know McVay wanted to get him involved.
You know this, maaaaaan.
And what happened?
I wouldn’t panic or sell low if I rostered ARob….yet. I would be concerned though.
Tha Guru
Footballguy
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I've watched Andrew back to his days as a 6'7 300 lb TE at West Monroe. The guy is a great player and high character person that is hard to replace.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
It’s one game. Better days are ahead for ARob and the Rams. The Bills D is one of the best in the league and Stafford looked uncomfortable all game.The other aspect is that ARib was their big FA acquisition this year. They brought him in over fan favorite Bobby Trees.
McVay Is one of those “smartest guy in the room” guys. ARob is his new toy. He talked about ARob a lot this preseason. Touting his abilities, saying he was uncoverable in camp. You just know McVay wanted to get him involved.
You know this, maaaaaan.
And what happened?
I wouldn’t panic or sell low if I rostered ARob….yet. I would be concerned though.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Such a huge deal was made out of TB losing their center - I hardly saw a peep about the Rams.
Weird.
Banger
Footballguy
Evan Silva
@evansilva
Matt Stafford attributed Allen Robinson’s lack of Week 1 production to #Bills playing almost strictly zone. “I think they played, maybe 2 snaps of man? It’s a lot of zone. They clouded to the boundary quite a bit, Allen saw a lot of Cover 2 over there.”
https://t.co/wN1nbYLxTl
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Darnell Mooney somehow thrived under the same circumstances.
foxco
Footballguy
And historically ARob has been better than Golladay with the exception of last season. Bummed if he is cooked, was excited for him to finally get his chance with a good QB/team.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
heard a thing this week - WR who finish Top 24 get 5 or more targets Week 1 85% of the time
similar outcomes for Top 12 RB (13 or touches like 6/7ths of the time) and TE1s run at least 23 routes
IDK if that’s predictive, but it’s at least interesting
Did he clue Stafford into this desire because Stafford never ever looked his way. It wasn't like Stafford looked and saw he was covered. He just never even looked in his direction. His only first read look was the last play of the game. Even on the reception it was a scramble play where Stafford flushed that way and really had no choice but to look in A-Rob's direction. I think Robinson did something to Stafford. It's really the only explanation. (kidding of course but it was very odd to me the lack of even looking his direction).
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Doh.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
Playing next to Kupp Arob will have his days. Exactly what @BassNBrew said above, Woods was still (almost) 1000 yard receiver each year even with weeks like this. Arob is no Woods, but should be able to get his. I don't believe the Rams will be as formiddable this year as they were, but certainly won't look like that again ros.
Re: the whole team performance, Von Miller lining up on the other side of the ball at Sofi is all you need to know about what happened last night. Rams were so out of rhythm, talk about the SB hangover, and VM was a huge part of that. This defense is gonna make lots of QB's look silly this year.
Re: the whole team performance, Von Miller lining up on the other side of the ball at Sofi is all you need to know about what happened last night. Rams were so out of rhythm, talk about the SB hangover, and VM was a huge part of that. This defense is gonna make lots of QB's look silly this year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Stafford didn’t have time to go through his progressions at all. Tip of the cap to that absolutely relentless buffalo pass rush.
That said, not playing at all in the preseason - I think the only dude Stafford trusts is Kupp.
That and pass pro are going to be a big problem for the Rams.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Much of the preseason narrative by FF writers was that ARob was better than Wiods.
Bobby Trees gets no respect on his name.
dmac37
Footballguy
Agree, very concerning that wherever Arob was on the field, Stafford was looking in another direction on the majority of the passes from what I could tell. Then very glaring on the first down run Stafford made, Arob was wide open directly in front of him for an easy first down.
