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WR Amon-Ra St. Brown, DET (1 Viewer)

Guess I’m the only one who expects a little fantasy regression this year. Happen to like Gibbs and LaPorta a lot and think they eat into his target share just a little. Jameson is a lesser concern in my view. Absolutely love the player, he’s a baller no doubt and works as hard as anyone, just think he fades maybe 10-15% this season which is enough for me to be behind adp too much to get him. My only dynasty share was used for acquire Wilson so unfortunately I probably won’t have much Sun God this year if at all.
Wouldn’t Gibbs and LaPorta really be taking targets vacated by Swift and Hockenson (and the hodgepodge of TEs that replaced him) and some of the less receivers?
I kind of made a similar “mistake” of thinking Brown would regress after his rookie season because a lot of his receptions came with Swift, Hockenson and a few other WRs out with injury. I was wrong. I can’t doubt this guy - he’s so good when you watch him.

He is foundational to everything they're trying to do. He and Goff spent several weeks together between OTAs and TC getting in extra work (along with other WRs), Goff texted OC Ben Johnson "Amon-Ra. Huge year."

Had 30 snaps over a 4 week period last year [while dealing with an ankle sprain]. DNP, 10, bye, 20. Team went 0-3 and scored 6 points in those two limited games. Over that span he had 7 targets and went 5-22-0 playing hurt. 139 targets in the other 14 g (10/g.)

If you extrapolate his 14 healthy g totals it’s 123-1383-7.

TDs are variable and unpredictable, but consider how unlucky he was in 2022.
  • WK 3 - 30 yard reception, tackled on 2, Jamaal Williams scored next play
  • WK 10 - 13 yard reception, tackled less than a foot from end zone, Jamaal scored next play
  • WK 11 - 4 yard reception, tackled inside 1, Jamaal scored next play
  • WK 13, 12 yard reception, tackled at 1, Jamaal scored next play
Heard a podcast today and they were like “well he’s steady every week, but he’s not going to finish with 1400+ yards or 10 TDs.” I’m looking at last years game logs and thinking that don’t sound right.

He’s got the right QB, a brilliant OC, & the dude looks at his season goals - along with those 16 WRs drafted before him - in his notebook every day before he heads out to practice. Mans so freaking petty, drives himself with perceived slights like Jordan did.

Go ahead, bet against him.
Was it the Fantasy Footballers? Because they did their top 10 WR and were talking about ASB at 9 and G Wilson at 10. It was funny because as they were talking it out I felt like they realized they might be undervaluing ASB, and then they compared him to past years Keenan Allan and it clicked for me: ASB is a "boring" pick. He's not the hot second year guy, he doesn't have a new star QB or better surrounding weapons. Which, to me, is the exact guy I want. His position in the offense is solid. He's got a good connection with his QB. There's been a few changes to other offensive weapons that SHOULD improve the offense without altering his role (in fact you could argue that they enhance his role). He's insanely driven. And, lastly, their defense is probably going to be pretty bad so they need to put points on the board. These are all things I want in a fantasy WR.

ASB might just be a top 5 WR for me this year.
Agree with all of this, except for the defense. It should be significantly better this year - prob closer to league average than the dumpster fire they had the first half of last year.

But, ben Johnson and Campbell aren't going to turtle up into just running the ball with a lead, so it shouldn't affect the offense much.

Campbell has grown as a head coach. He was aggressive to the point of being reckless Y1. In his second year we saw appropriate aggression. They go for it a lot on 4th down, eschew long range FGAs (in part by necessity), and know they still have to throw when they’re closing out games.

He’s still one of the 5 most aggressive decision makers in the league but he tempers it now. In the grand scheme that’s a good thing.
 
Most WR TDs on RZ Targets IN20
  1. Diggs - 7
  2. Kirk - 7
  3. ARSB - 6
  4. Metcalf - 6
  5. Cooper - 6
  6. Jefferson - 5 (tied with 5 others)
Most WR TDs on RZ Targets IN10
  1. Kirk - 6
  2. Jefferson - 5
  3. Gage - 5
  4. Adams, Diggs, ARSB, 4 others - 4
:shrug:

He’s right there with anyone in terms of RZ opportunities and conversions. Where he falls behind is being a deep threat and scoring long TDs.
 
Most WR TDs on RZ Targets IN20
  1. Diggs - 7
  2. Kirk - 7
  3. ARSB - 6
  4. Metcalf - 6
  5. Cooper - 6
  6. Jefferson - 5 (tied with 5 others)
Most WR TDs on RZ Targets IN10
  1. Kirk - 6
  2. Jefferson - 5
  3. Gage - 5
  4. Adams, Diggs, ARSB, 4 others - 4
:shrug:

He’s right there with anyone in terms of RZ opportunities and conversions. Where he falls behind is being a deep threat and scoring long TDs.

Ok great. Hadn’t seen those. So he’s on par with a bunch of the guys I listed but has ADOT problems, which I also mentioned in RZ/EZ numbers, but doesn’t lap the field in order to make up for the obvious deficiencies he has in other areas compared to those same receivers. And also, do we know how many red zone targets he had? Is he due for regression?

This is all kinda my point. Everything has to go perfectly for him just to keep pace with the elite all around threats. What happens if he loses 15 targets to Gibbs (mainly), LaPorta, and Jameson this year? Seems like a problem if he’s supposed to be a top tier candidate, nevermind an overall WR1 candidate.
 
The guy is a beast. Just watch the tape.

I’ve called him a beast, stud, baller, top 7 dynasty receiver…he’s legit one of my favorite players in the league. He also needs more to go right for him to hit his numbers than just about literally any other receiver. I’m all out of ways to qualify how much I dig the player but yeah, I think the consensus has gotten a touch too high on him. I was miles ahead of consensus for the last two years and I’m still standing in the same spot. It’s just that it seems a lot of folks have rushed past and cut me in line this year.

Nobody is even slightly worried he might lose a mere target per game to the three new weapons entering the offense, Gibbs in particular? And what losing a mere target per game would do to his numbers relative to the rest of the league? What if the Lions game script changes and they’re playing with a lot of leads and letting the air out of the ball in the 2nd half?

It’s entirely within his range of outcomes to maintain his production, but he has less room for error than every other top WR in the league. It’s shouldn’t be all that controversial to wonder about his ceiling or a slight decline in statistical production.

He will still be the same dawg on the field regardless, but we don’t get points for that.
 
Amon Ra doesn't have an elite fantasy ceiling like Cooper Kupp doesn't have an elite fantasy ceiling.
 
Amon Ra doesn't have an elite fantasy ceiling like Cooper Kupp doesn't have an elite fantasy ceiling.

I’m not really in on Kupp either but he has zero competition for targets and the Rams are gonna be awful and playing from behind all year. His downsides are systemic team implosion problems and injury risk given his age and history, but if he plays all 17 he’s going to produce elite level stats. I’ve laid out a bunch of reasons why ARSB does not have that ceiling. Plus one has done it and the other hasn’t, so there’s that.

I’m just trying to have an honest conversation about the player but doesn’t seem anyone wants to do that, so I’ll drop it.
 
The guy is a beast. Just watch the tape.

I’ve called him a beast, stud, baller, top 7 dynasty receiver…he’s legit one of my favorite players in the league. He also needs more to go right for him to hit his numbers than just about literally any other receiver. I’m all out of ways to qualify how much I dig the player but yeah, I think the consensus has gotten a touch too high on him. I was miles ahead of consensus for the last two years and I’m still standing in the same spot. It’s just that it seems a lot of folks have rushed past and cut me in line this year.

Nobody is even slightly worried he might lose a mere target per game to the three new weapons entering the offense, Gibbs in particular? And what losing a mere target per game would do to his numbers relative to the rest of the league? What if the Lions game script changes and they’re playing with a lot of leads and letting the air out of the ball in the 2nd half?

It’s entirely within his range of outcomes to maintain his production, but he has less room for error than every other top WR in the league. It’s shouldn’t be all that controversial to wonder about his ceiling or a slight decline in statistical production.

He will still be the same dawg on the field regardless, but we don’t get points for that.
Do you think LaPorta is going to get more targets than Hockenson? Gibbs more targets than Swift? Who's going to get the TDs Williams got?
 
The guy is a beast. Just watch the tape.

I’ve called him a beast, stud, baller, top 7 dynasty receiver…he’s legit one of my favorite players in the league. He also needs more to go right for him to hit his numbers than just about literally any other receiver. I’m all out of ways to qualify how much I dig the player but yeah, I think the consensus has gotten a touch too high on him. I was miles ahead of consensus for the last two years and I’m still standing in the same spot. It’s just that it seems a lot of folks have rushed past and cut me in line this year.

Nobody is even slightly worried he might lose a mere target per game to the three new weapons entering the offense, Gibbs in particular? And what losing a mere target per game would do to his numbers relative to the rest of the league? What if the Lions game script changes and they’re playing with a lot of leads and letting the air out of the ball in the 2nd half?

It’s entirely within his range of outcomes to maintain his production, but he has less room for error than every other top WR in the league. It’s shouldn’t be all that controversial to wonder about his ceiling or a slight decline in statistical production.

He will still be the same dawg on the field regardless, but we don’t get points for that.

Who's going to get the TDs Williams got?
I've been thinking about that this year and I think ARSB has a lot of runway because of this. It's really volatile but I don't see that many rushing TDs and if the offense is as good as last year I think ARSB could potentially double his TD output or get close to that.
 
Amon Ra doesn't have an elite fantasy ceiling like Cooper Kupp doesn't have an elite fantasy ceiling.

I’m not really in on Kupp either but he has zero competition for targets and the Rams are gonna be awful and playing from behind all year. His downsides are systemic team implosion problems and injury risk given his age and history, but if he plays all 17 he’s going to produce elite level stats. I’ve laid out a bunch of reasons why ARSB does not have that ceiling. Plus one has done it and the other hasn’t, so there’s that.

I’m just trying to have an honest conversation about the player but doesn’t seem anyone wants to do that, so I’ll drop it.
Amon Ra has already had a 9 game stretch over 2 seasons where he produced pretty much right on pace with Kupp’s most elite season. Seeing it for more than half a seasons worth of consecutive games (stopped by the ankle injury) is enough for me to believe he could do it again.
 
The guy is a beast. Just watch the tape.

I’ve called him a beast, stud, baller, top 7 dynasty receiver…he’s legit one of my favorite players in the league. He also needs more to go right for him to hit his numbers than just about literally any other receiver. I’m all out of ways to qualify how much I dig the player but yeah, I think the consensus has gotten a touch too high on him. I was miles ahead of consensus for the last two years and I’m still standing in the same spot. It’s just that it seems a lot of folks have rushed past and cut me in line this year.

Nobody is even slightly worried he might lose a mere target per game to the three new weapons entering the offense, Gibbs in particular? And what losing a mere target per game would do to his numbers relative to the rest of the league? What if the Lions game script changes and they’re playing with a lot of leads and letting the air out of the ball in the 2nd half?

It’s entirely within his range of outcomes to maintain his production, but he has less room for error than every other top WR in the league. It’s shouldn’t be all that controversial to wonder about his ceiling or a slight decline in statistical production.

He will still be the same dawg on the field regardless, but we don’t get points for that.

Who's going to get the TDs Williams got?
I've been thinking about that this year and I think ARSB has a lot of runway because of this. It's really volatile but I don't see that many rushing TDs and if the offense is as good as last year I think ARSB could potentially double his TD output or get close to that.
Volatile is the right word here. Agree and his price is lined up accordingly.
 
The guy is a beast. Just watch the tape.

I’ve called him a beast, stud, baller, top 7 dynasty receiver…he’s legit one of my favorite players in the league. He also needs more to go right for him to hit his numbers than just about literally any other receiver. I’m all out of ways to qualify how much I dig the player but yeah, I think the consensus has gotten a touch too high on him. I was miles ahead of consensus for the last two years and I’m still standing in the same spot. It’s just that it seems a lot of folks have rushed past and cut me in line this year.

Nobody is even slightly worried he might lose a mere target per game to the three new weapons entering the offense, Gibbs in particular? And what losing a mere target per game would do to his numbers relative to the rest of the league? What if the Lions game script changes and they’re playing with a lot of leads and letting the air out of the ball in the 2nd half?

It’s entirely within his range of outcomes to maintain his production, but he has less room for error than every other top WR in the league. It’s shouldn’t be all that controversial to wonder about his ceiling or a slight decline in statistical production.

He will still be the same dawg on the field regardless, but we don’t get points for that.
Do you think LaPorta is going to get more targets than Hockenson? Gibbs more targets than Swift? Who's going to get the TDs Williams got?

These are good questions. Yes, I think Gibbs will be given a big role and put on showcase, whereas Swift was held back and suppressed by the staff for various reasons. Im also very high on LaPorta and think he won’t lag far behind the (too low) usage Hockenson got. As for the rushing TDs, I think you’ll see it spread around a bit.

I like funnel offenses for fantasy wherever I can get them. Lions have been one to ARSB in the passing game. I have more questions and less certainty this year regarding that. Williams, Jones, LaPorta, Gibbs, Reynolds, Monty…all these guys will get meaningful targets and it leads me to think Sun God will sacrifice a handful because of it.

I still like him a lot but I see a lower ceiling and would definitely not take him before Wilson or Waddle and probably not DeVonte Smith.
 
Amon Ra doesn't have an elite fantasy ceiling like Cooper Kupp doesn't have an elite fantasy ceiling.

I’m not really in on Kupp either but he has zero competition for targets and the Rams are gonna be awful and playing from behind all year. His downsides are systemic team implosion problems and injury risk given his age and history, but if he plays all 17 he’s going to produce elite level stats. I’ve laid out a bunch of reasons why ARSB does not have that ceiling. Plus one has done it and the other hasn’t, so there’s that.

I’m just trying to have an honest conversation about the player but doesn’t seem anyone wants to do that, so I’ll drop it.
Amon Ra has already had a 9 game stretch over 2 seasons where he produced pretty much right on pace with Kupp’s most elite season. Seeing it for more than half a seasons worth of consecutive games (stopped by the ankle injury) is enough for me to believe he could do it again.

You’re comparing a 9 game stretch over two different seasons to a guy who had the best fantasy season ever and was pretty much duplicating it for his own 9 game stretch before he got hurt. I’m gonna need to see him actually do it before I give him that much credit.
 
Loving all this discussion. Name me a WR easier to root for right now. Taking guys like this in dynasty and seeing them blow away expectations is my favorite thing about FF.

Definitely agree with this. Been awesome watching his rise.
 
As far as targets go, I am not concerned about a rookie tight end demanding more than Hock did. Gibbs over Swift, quite possibly. But I think those two specific concerns balance each other out in favor of Amon. Jameson Williams as a target hog? Doubt it. I think once he finally/hopefully sees the field he will have some splash plays, but the offense will not revolve around him. No reason to over complicate things, Goff eyes glimmer for ARSB and that will continue.
 
Amon Ra doesn't have an elite fantasy ceiling like Cooper Kupp doesn't have an elite fantasy ceiling.

I’m not really in on Kupp either but he has zero competition for targets and the Rams are gonna be awful and playing from behind all year. His downsides are systemic team implosion problems and injury risk given his age and history, but if he plays all 17 he’s going to produce elite level stats. I’ve laid out a bunch of reasons why ARSB does not have that ceiling. Plus one has done it and the other hasn’t, so there’s that.

I’m just trying to have an honest conversation about the player but doesn’t seem anyone wants to do that, so I’ll drop it.
Amon Ra has already had a 9 game stretch over 2 seasons where he produced pretty much right on pace with Kupp’s most elite season. Seeing it for more than half a seasons worth of consecutive games (stopped by the ankle injury) is enough for me to believe he could do it again.

You’re comparing a 9 game stretch over two different seasons to a guy who had the best fantasy season ever and was pretty much duplicating it for his own 9 game stretch before he got hurt. I’m gonna need to see him actually do it before I give him that much credit.
It’s also the WR who is a very similar comp style and usage wise. I am not saying Amon Ra is going to win the triple crown like Kupp. My point is the type of WR Amon Ra is can have an elite ceiling just as good as Chase or Diggs or Adams. Also those 9 games are basically 40% of his career games once he was given a full starting role. Remove the couple games he was hurt and barely played, he’s basically scored elite in half his NFL healthy games.
 
He also needs more to go right for him to hit his numbers than just about literally any other receiver.
I guess I am not really understanding what you mean by this.
Nobody is even slightly worried he might lose a mere target per game to the three new weapons entering the offense, Gibbs in particular?
Between Swift, Hock & Chark 160 targets opened up in the offense.

Kalif Raymond & Josh Reynolds had 123 targets between them.

They added LaPorta, Gibbs, Marvin Jones & Denzel Mims.

If they all make the team (@BobbyLayne is the guy to ask about final roster configurations) they have to work through those 283 targets before anyone really needs to concern themselves with ARSB losing target share.

Most likely those guys end up pilfering each other.

Another consideration is of the defense is even marginally better the Lions could pack in a few more drives in 2023.

Regarding ARSBs ADoT; having a better team around him should help improve his advanced metrics.
 
Regarding ASB and ADOT, it sounds like they may have him run more deep routes this year. I’m not sure if this was posted above, but I’ll repost.


Receivers coach Antwaan Randle El believes it can happen.

“He can get in and out of cuts so easily, like he doesn’t have to give all that extra stuff cause he can just get out of it so fast,” Randle El said recently, via Birkett. “So I just want [him] to just run that smooth route. Like, you don’t have to give any extra at the top of it, just, pop-pop, come on out of it and he’s been doing it in OTAs so that’s been a growth for him. So no extra movement, just get in the route, come out of it because he gets in the route so fast.”
 
Amon-Ra St. Brown kicked off one-on-ones like he always does -- by dusting his man, in this case star Giants rookie Deonte Banks. He went 2 for 3 during the drill overall, which is very good overall, although below the incredible pace he’s set while practicing against teammates.

Then seven-on-sevens kicked off, and St. Brown made the first catch. Jared Goff completed all eight passes during the drill, with half of them going to St. Brown. When the teams gathered for a climatic final drill on a single field, you guessed it, St. Brown made the first catch. Then he moved the sticks on third down in the red zone, before Jahmyr Gibbs punched in the touchdown a play later.

Today, just like most days, Amon-Ra St. Brown was the most unstoppable force on the field.

“A guy like Saint, he sets the bar,” head coach Dan Campbell said the other day. “The way he comes out every day, he has not changed one bit since he was a rookie. I mean he does all the same things that has validated what he’s done and the production that has come by the way that he works. He just goes. And it’s every little thing, every little detail -- he finishes. You see him pre-practice, you see him post-practice, he doesn’t change one thing. When you do that, there’s no way he’s not going to have a big year. There’s no way.”

Observations: Jahmyr Gibbs dazzles against Giants, while a UDFA shows he belongs
 
I've got Amon-Ra WR9 right now. If he's able to add some more downfield plays to his high target share, he could certainly make a push ahead of guys like AJ Brown or CeeDee Lamb, who I have ahead of him, of course on the flip side I have him 1 spot ahead of Garrett Wilson, who could finish higher if he and Rodgers click instantly.

I like Amon-Ra as a mid 2nd round pick. I do think its pushing it a little at the 1/2 turn, where I prefer the high workload RBs like Chubb/Barkley/Pollard.
 
Detroit Lions wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown (leg) injured his lower right leg on the first play of 7-on-7 drills on Wednesday at training camp and was working with trainers off to the side. When we have an update on St. Brown's injury, we'll pass it along. Hopefully it's nothing serious and it's just a day-to-day situation for the star wideout. With Jameson Williams suspended to start the season, any extended absence for St. Brown would be a nightmare for Detroit's receiving group to begin the regular season. The former fourth-round selection in 2021 has been excellent in his first two NFL seasons, catching 196 of his 265 targets for 2,073 yards and 11 touchdowns in 33 games (25 starts). When healthy, he's a solid WR1 option for fantasy managers in Detroit's improved offense.--Keith Hernandez - RotoBaller
 
Detroit Lions wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown (leg) injured his lower right leg on the first play of 7-on-7 drills on Wednesday at training camp and was working with trainers off to the side. When we have an update on St. Brown's injury, we'll pass it along. Hopefully it's nothing serious and it's just a day-to-day situation for the star wideout. With Jameson Williams suspended to start the season, any extended absence for St. Brown would be a nightmare for Detroit's receiving group to begin the regular season. The former fourth-round selection in 2021 has been excellent in his first two NFL seasons, catching 196 of his 265 targets for 2,073 yards and 11 touchdowns in 33 games (25 starts). When healthy, he's a solid WR1 option for fantasy managers in Detroit's improved offense.--Keith Hernandez - RotoBaller
Was already sen runing and cutting on the sidelines per Reddit. Likely a nothingburger.
 
Detroit Lions wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown (leg) injured his lower right leg on the first play of 7-on-7 drills on Wednesday at training camp and was working with trainers off to the side. When we have an update on St. Brown's injury, we'll pass it along. Hopefully it's nothing serious and it's just a day-to-day situation for the star wideout. With Jameson Williams suspended to start the season, any extended absence for St. Brown would be a nightmare for Detroit's receiving group to begin the regular season. The former fourth-round selection in 2021 has been excellent in his first two NFL seasons, catching 196 of his 265 targets for 2,073 yards and 11 touchdowns in 33 games (25 starts). When healthy, he's a solid WR1 option for fantasy managers in Detroit's improved offense.--Keith Hernandez - RotoBaller
Was already sen runing and cutting on the sidelines per Reddit. Likely a nothingburger.

That’s good.

Jamo pulled up on a long route no long after. Possible right hammy - left practice field, no updates yet.
 
Lions WR Amon-Ra St. Brown is expected to miss a few days of practice with an ankle injury.

St. Brown exited Wednesday’s practice with an ankle injury that will require a few days of rest. The Lions need him to be healthy heading into Week 1 against the Chiefs, with Jameson Williams set to serve a suspension and Josh Reynolds and Marvin Jones looking like the next-best options in a relatively thin receiver room. Those concerned about St. Brown’s injury need not fret, as it sounds like he’ll be good to go well ahead of Week 1.
 
Lions WR Amon-Ra St. Brown (ankle) has been cleared to practice.

St. Brown missed practice time last week but this puts him on track to be ready for Thursday’s opener. With Jameson Williams suspended, St. Brown has a massive target share going into Week 1 vs the Chiefs.
 
Lions WR Amon-Ra St. Brown (ankle) was listed as a full participant on Monday.

St. Brown has been dealing with a minor ankle injury that saw him miss a few days of practice throughout training camp, but is trending in the right direction to start this week. Barring any setbacks, he’ll be in line for a big Week 1 against the Chiefs in a game that has shootout potential. St. Brown is an obvious must-start across all league formats if healthy.
 
Lions WR Amon-Ra St. Brown (ankle) was listed as a full participant on Monday.

St. Brown has been dealing with a minor ankle injury that saw him miss a few days of practice throughout training camp, but is trending in the right direction to start this week. Barring any setbacks, he’ll be in line for a big Week 1 against the Chiefs in a game that has shootout potential. St. Brown is an obvious must-start across all league formats if healthy.
Can't wait til Thursday! Hoping for that shootout with Mahomes, ARSB, and Kelce locked and loaded.
 
St played 30 snaps over a 4-week span last year while dealing with a HAS. Missed one game, bye week, the other two he had 5 catches for 22 yards. Meaning 101-1139-6 came in 14 healthy games. Straight extrapolating gets you to 123-1383-7. He also missed several TDs last year getting tackled inside the 1.

125-1400-9 on 170 targets
 
St played 30 snaps over a 4-week span last year while dealing with a HAS. Missed one game, bye week, the other two he had 5 catches for 22 yards. Meaning 101-1139-6 came in 14 healthy games. Straight extrapolating gets you to 123-1383-7. He also several TDs last year getting tackled inside the 1.

125-1400-9 on 170 targets
Exactly, 1400 yds and 10 tds is in the realm of possibilites. He was top 3 in redzone targets on a per game basis to Chase and Jefferson
 
Amon-Ra St. Brown caught 6-of-9 targets for 71 yards and a touchdown in the Lions’ Week 1 win over the Chiefs.

ARSB was the intended target on more than 25 percent of Jared Goff’s 35 attempts. In other words, it was exactly what you would expect from an offense lacking other wide receiver weapons. Josh Reynolds did manage to make a few productive plays on the outside, while Sam LaPorta hinted at some seam prowess. Neither player, nor rookie running back Jahmyr Gibbs, appeared to be any threat to ARSB’s touch [dominance]. The high-end WR1 has another plus matchup for Week 2 in the Seahawks.
 
ARSB was wide open down the middle on a blitz- think it was the 3rd quarter- where a hurried Goff missed his target to the left- maybe Raymond. Anyway, it would have been a sure 70 yardish TD if the connection could have been made.
The replay from behind center was bananas. How did Goff whiff on that?
 
ARSB was wide open down the middle on a blitz- think it was the 3rd quarter- where a hurried Goff missed his target to the left- maybe Raymond. Anyway, it would have been a sure 70 yardish TD if the connection could have been made.
The replay from behind center was bananas. How did Goff whiff on that?
Because he’s Jared Goff?
 
ARSB was wide open down the middle on a blitz- think it was the 3rd quarter- where a hurried Goff missed his target to the left- maybe Raymond. Anyway, it would have been a sure 70 yardish TD if the connection could have been made.
The replay from behind center was bananas. How did Goff whiff on that?
Because he’s Jared Goff?

Imagine this Lions team with an elite NFL QB, instead of one of the wart boys. What would a Justin Herbert do here?
 
ARSB was wide open down the middle on a blitz- think it was the 3rd quarter- where a hurried Goff missed his target to the left- maybe Raymond. Anyway, it would have been a sure 70 yardish TD if the connection could have been made.
The replay from behind center was bananas. How did Goff whiff on that?
Because he’s Jared Goff?

Imagine this Lions team with an elite NFL QB, instead of one of the wart boys. What would a Justin Herbert do here?

break down by Benjamin Solak

There was a play last night where Amon-Ra St. Brown was wide open for a touchdown. I talked about:
  • why he was so wide open
  • why Jared Goff didn't throw him the ball
  • what Matthew Stafford once did with a very similar look (in the playoffs v Bucs to win the game)
 
It's only one week obviously, but my only concern with ARSB is that the Lions may have found themselves a solid defense and may not need to - or want to - get into too many shootouts. Campbell strikes me more of a guy that would rather just pound away at a defense. That's not to say that ARSB won't still get his regardless of game script, but it may not be bombs away week after week if last night is any indication.
 
It's only one week obviously, but my only concern with ARSB is that the Lions may have found themselves a solid defense and may not need to - or want to - get into too many shootouts. Campbell strikes me more of a guy that would rather just pound away at a defense. That's not to say that ARSB won't still get his regardless of game script, but it may not be bombs away week after week if last night is any indication.
Maybe. But Campbell also talked about how he wanted to pound the ball last night with Chris Jones out. I wouldn’t extrapolate too much from week 1 - but definitely something to watch. And oh yeah — Chiefs offense without Kelce isn’t quite the same……ditto w K Toney dropping catchable passes left and right….
 
Color me concerned that the Lions possibly have their 2023 winning formula. Good defense, clock control running game, Goff moving the chains. I think the ceiling is lower than expected for arsb going forward. Still a good ppr wr1 but the Lions are relying heavily on rookies and washed up wrs, and lastly Jamo who is anything but a guarantee at this point. I don’t think this offense will be as potent as last year- don’t think they have the personnel as they’re too young
 
They played the SuperBowl champs on the road in primetime to open the season....the offense struggle most of the game and I wouldn't draw conclusions. I'd be more concerned about the Chiefs. Their offense looked pedestrian without Kelce...they have no explosive talent.
 
Color me concerned that the Lions possibly have their 2023 winning formula. Good defense, clock control running game, Goff moving the chains. I think the ceiling is lower than expected for arsb going forward. Still a good ppr wr1 but the Lions are relying heavily on rookies and washed up wrs, and lastly Jamo who is anything but a guarantee at this point. I don’t think this offense will be as potent as last year- don’t think they have the personnel as they’re too young

Week 1

Do they have an identity? Oh yeah.

It’s one ☝🏻 game, one ugly win. Counts as one.

There are lots of ways to win. 4th quarter comebacks, physically dominating, offense carries the load, defense bails them, last second FG + ST TD let’s steal one.

Your week 1 hypothesis is this game - with KC missing THE man in the middle, is now the blueprint? Dan Campbell believed in his defense’s ability to contain KC sans Kelce. You think he’s a knuckle dragger? He didn’t just uncover absolute zero…it was a special circumstances kind of thing.

Just one. Glorious ☝🏻 for long time suffers but LOTS to clean up, both sides.

You walk out of a street fight cut up, bleeding, clothes ripped, eye already swollen shut, knuckles throbbing...YDGAF, you survived, that's what matters. Team walks into Arrowhead to play the champs and walks out with a dub - you think they care how pretty it looked?

But MCDC acknowledged in the locker room and the podium, ton of crap to clean up. Ugly win but still goes in the W column.

Ben Johnson will have his weeks. Last might coach wanted to play it his way. MFer has balls he's carrying around in a wheelbarrow, he's entitled. But he's also smart enough and self-aware enough to recognize what worked last night was a one off deal.
 
I'm not to concerned. My big concern would be I think the Lions lead the league in rushing attempts. Amon had one play where he completely got behind the defense and Goff didn't see him. That was a concern. I think it displayed the manage the game mind set he has instead of taking risks. Thats a concern. Goff has to take a few big chances a game.
 

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